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RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Unbound - 09-02-2013
Quote:The one undifferentiated intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole, is the macrocosm of the mystery-clad being. We are messengers of the Law of One. Unity, at this approximation of understanding, cannot be specified by any physics but only be activated or potentiated intelligent infinity due to the catalyst of free will. This may be difficult to accept. However, the understandings we have to share begin and end in mystery.
Quote:Thus all begins and ends in mystery.
Oh, I do have another thought towards the topic as well. I can conceive that it would be possible to share the experience of a single identity by multiple souls without losing the individuation of those souls but through their agreement to all "play the part" together as a team. I speak of this with some personal relation.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - AnthroHeart - 09-02-2013
Well, I'd probably have a little resistance in merging with Creator. One must be so pure, without distortion. I wonder how blissful is the experience in merging with Source. I've heard it say that it's very blissful. But I don't know if anyone here alive today has merged with Creator already. Probably only those who have reached enlightenment. I wonder if enlightenment is opening up to 7D all the way, or opening to 4D secrets.
And if one learns of the secrets of the Universe, should they tell, or are they secret for a reason. It wouldn't violate another's free will to tell them of these secret experiences? I've also heard you can't take your spiritual experiences at face value. Given time to ponder on the past experiences, I realized many of them are different than what I first thought.
I like what they say about assuming an infinite number of Octaves. And that everything begins and ends in mystery.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - zenmaster - 09-02-2013
(09-02-2013, 12:52 PM)Tanner Wrote: Oh, I do have another thought towards the topic as well. I can conceive that it would be possible to share the experience of a single identity by multiple souls without losing the individuation of those souls but through their agreement to all "play the part" together as a team. I speak of this with some personal relation.If you carry an agreement to play the part then you carry the idea of separation and the conditions with which you participate. So no unity there.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Adonai One - 09-02-2013
Whether you view "the creator" as internal or external, it really doesn't matter in the end. I concede. It's just a femine/masculine duality.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Unbound - 09-03-2013
I was not attempting to get you to concede on anything, but I would like to sincerely apologize to you, Immanuel. I have been projecting on to you my own feelings of discomfort and rejection and I would really like you to know that I have no desire to change you and I honour you and think you have a brilliant mind. Much love to you, my friend.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Unbound - 09-03-2013
(09-02-2013, 02:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(09-02-2013, 12:52 PM)Tanner Wrote: Oh, I do have another thought towards the topic as well. I can conceive that it would be possible to share the experience of a single identity by multiple souls without losing the individuation of those souls but through their agreement to all "play the part" together as a team. I speak of this with some personal relation.If you carry an agreement to play the part then you carry the idea of separation and the conditions with which you participate. So no unity there.
I am confused, because it seem possible that this could be done by souls well aware of their unity? I think of it as being like organs in the body with each facet chosen according to free will to be "potentiated" by a particular entity within a manifested self from the unmanifest self.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Hototo - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 06:52 AM)Tanner Wrote:(09-02-2013, 02:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(09-02-2013, 12:52 PM)Tanner Wrote: Oh, I do have another thought towards the topic as well. I can conceive that it would be possible to share the experience of a single identity by multiple souls without losing the individuation of those souls but through their agreement to all "play the part" together as a team. I speak of this with some personal relation.If you carry an agreement to play the part then you carry the idea of separation and the conditions with which you participate. So no unity there.
I am confused, because it seem possible that this could be done by souls well aware of their unity? I think of it as being like organs in the body with each facet chosen according to free will to be "potentiated" by a particular entity within a manifested self from the unmanifest self.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - AnthroHeart - 09-03-2013
What is the unmanifest self? Is that the subconscious?
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Hototo - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 12:02 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: What is the unmanifest self? Is that the subconscious?
I would wager that in this context its called the intelligent infinity.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - zenmaster - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 06:52 AM)Tanner Wrote:the fallacy is that there is identity with "playing a part". Again, quite a difference between unifying intention and "unity".(09-02-2013, 02:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(09-02-2013, 12:52 PM)Tanner Wrote: Oh, I do have another thought towards the topic as well. I can conceive that it would be possible to share the experience of a single identity by multiple souls without losing the individuation of those souls but through their agreement to all "play the part" together as a team. I speak of this with some personal relation.If you carry an agreement to play the part then you carry the idea of separation and the conditions with which you participate. So no unity there.
I am confused, because it seem possible that this could be done by souls well aware of their unity? I think of it as being like organs in the body with each facet chosen according to free will to be "potentiated" by a particular entity within a manifested self from the unmanifest self.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Unbound - 09-03-2013
What do you mean by identity in that context? I just used "playing the part" as an expression of the choice to unify intentions in order to work together. Perhaps what it suggests is misleading.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - zenmaster - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 01:45 PM)Tanner Wrote: What do you mean by identity in that context? I just used "playing the part" as an expression of the choice to unify intentions in order to work together. Perhaps what it suggests is misleading.The unity without identity essentially entails completion, as in you have actualized something even more than your higher self. You don't just suddenly actualize more than your higher self. The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Unbound - 09-03-2013
How would you define completion in terms of endless process?
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - zenmaster - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 08:08 PM)Tanner Wrote: How would you define completion in terms of endless process?There is no longer a "personal unconscious", for example.
Also, there is no need for a "collective unconscious" as a resource. This is the actual awareness of the "Self" or "higher self". Not a conflated 3D feeling which suggests unity.
Quote:36.1 Questioner: In previous communications you have spoken of the mind/body/spirit complex totality. Would you please give us a definition of the mind/body/spirit complex totality?
Ra: I am Ra. There is a dimension in which time does not have sway. In this dimension, the mind/body/spirit in its eternal dance of the present may be seen in totality, and before the mind/body/spirit complex which then becomes a part of the social memory complex is willingly absorbed into the allness of the One Creator, the entity knows itself in its totality.
This mind/body/spirit complex totality functions as, shall we say, a resource for what you perhaps would call the Higher Self. The Higher Self, in turn, is a resource for examining the distillations of third-density experience and programming further experience. This is also true of densities four, five, and six with the mind/body/spirit complex totality coming into consciousness in the course of seventh density.
Jung's take on the steps of the individuation process here in 3D:
Quote:Once ego-differentiation had been successfully achieved and the individual is securely anchored in the external world, Jung considered that a new task then arose for the second half of life - a return to, and conscious rediscovery of, the Self: individuation. Marie-Louise von Franz states that "The actual processes of individuation - the conscious coming-to-term with one's own inner center (psychic nucleus) or Self - generally begins with a wounding of the personality".[5] The ego reaches an impasse of one sort or another; and has to turn for help to what she termed "a sort of hidden regulating or directing tendency...[an] organizing center" in the personality: "Jung called this center the 'Self' and described it as the totality of the whole psyche, in order to distinguish it from the 'ego', which constitutes only a small part of the psyche".[6]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self_in_Jungian_psychology
Under the Self's guidance, a succession of archetypal images emerges,[7] gradually bringing their fragmentary aspects of the Self increasingly closer to its totality. The first to appear, and the closest to the ego, would be the shadow or personal unconscious - something which is at the same time the first representative of the total personality,[8] and which may indeed be at times conflated with the Self.[9] Next to appear would be the Anima and Animus, the soul-image, which again, by a kind of psychological short-cut, may be taken as identical to the whole Self.[10] Ideally however, the animus or anima comes to play a mediatory role between the ego and the Self.[11] The third main archetype to emerge is the Mana figure of the wise old man/woman[12] - a representative of the collective unconscious still closer to the Self.[13]
Thereafter comes the archetype of the Self itself - the last point on the route to self-realization of individuation.[14] In Jung's words, "the Self...embraces ego-consciousness, shadow, anima, and collective unconscious in indeterminable extension. As a totality, the self is a coincidentia oppositorum; it is therefore bright and dark and yet neither".[15] Alternatively, he stated that "the Self is the total, timeless man...who stands for the mutual integration of conscious and unconscious".[16] Jung recognized many dream images as representing the self, including a stone, the world tree, an elephant, and the Christ.[17]
Notice the conflation with Self (Ra's "higher self") that happens at each step. With the subject of this post related (allegorically) with the 2nd step.
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Unbound - 09-03-2013
So would you compare that to complete penetration or dissolution of the veil?
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - zenmaster - 09-03-2013
(09-03-2013, 10:08 PM)Tanner Wrote: So would you compare that to complete penetration or dissolution of the veil?3D has the veil due to the nature of 3D mind. I'd say no removal of veil fully unless one was balanced across the octave (violet ray), because all imbalances are focused back onto the "ego". Dissolution starts happening as the distortions of "yellow-ray" are removed, which is what eventually allows access to time/space "interiors" via "green-ray"
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - Unbound - 09-04-2013
So, can you relate what you are saying back to the topic, in regards to the idea of merging?
RE: Two souls permanently becoming one... - zenmaster - 09-04-2013
(09-04-2013, 01:36 AM)Tanner Wrote: So, can you relate what you are saying back to the topic, in regards to the idea of merging?I was saying there was no loss of identity in 3D because that requires an actualization possessed by 7D. Further there is no actual merging in unity, only aa feeling quality suggestive of it, derived from the archetype.