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RE: Forum Transparency - Ray - 01-17-2013
(01-17-2013, 10:02 AM)Oceania Wrote: yep, people can't handle the truth. when we become able to see we become able to take it, the 4D light will increase and we will need to withstand the process of enlightenment.
Once again OC I have to say, I like your attitude. The room goes dead silent while people are scrambling to come up with a socially acceptable reply, meanwhile you come straight out and say what is on your mind. I don't think the transition is going to be traumatic for you at all, you seem to be well on your way there. You see, this is the crux of the matter at hand, people fear the truth because they know they have compromised it in order to fit it and be socially accepted. If you think transparency is easy, go ahead and try it. You had better be ready to face peer pressure, isolation, ridicule and banishment, because those are the tools of control that will be used against you. This is the elephant in the room that is making everyone so uncomfortable. Because as we speak, these tools are in use, and no one wants to admit that in reality they may not be practicing what they preach. This Ra material was not meant to be used as a tool of division between the enlightened vs the 3d "idiots", in fact, that is exactly what is says you should NOT do. I, personally, have no desire to ascend to 4d and leave all the "unworthy" behind. I would like to see every single person on the planet figure out where they are messing things up, myself included, and join me there so we can throw the most rocking party the universe has ever seen. Shoot the messenger, if you must, but someone has to play the devil's advocate. I never realized the Creator had such a dirty job in mind for me when I signed up here, but I can have fun with it. If you really love someone, be willing to tell them what they need to hear, not what they want to hear. Yes, there might be a little friction while it gets hashed out, but it's better than not dealing with it at all, and letting it fester and take on even worse forms of expression.
RE: Forum Transparency - Oceania - 01-17-2013
i think it'll be plenty hard. there's a lot i've buried and compromised, but i think the 4D light makes things different. maybe just maybe we'll make some headway where we couldn't before. it's time to forgive all that and start new.
RE: Forum Transparency - xise - 01-17-2013
Since we're talking about truth, I want to comment on what we mean by truth. As a person who has cross-examined (probably close to two hundred?) witnesses for a living for over the past five years as an criminal defense attorney, I think it's important to keep in mind the following:
If by truth you mean factual statements about reality, these are often philosophically and even practically unachievable. There is no bird's eye view of reality that we have access to in 3d, and I think it's going to remain that way in 4d. All we have is perception of various people. And studies, expert witneses on eyewitness testimony, and my experience have taught me that you can never really know. The California Jury Instructions regarding Evidence; Calcrim No. 226 Witnesses:Calcrim No. 226: Witnesses
Quote:Do not automatically reject testimony just because of inconsistencies or conflicts. Consider whether the differences are important or not. People sometimes honestly forget things or make mistakes about what they remember. Also, two people may witness the same event yet see or hear it differently.
This is so true it's not even funny. Even in cases where the question of fact are about actions.
So while it's often important to have a strong blue ray and speak the truth, and be honest, it's very useful to understand that you are speaking your truth, and leave open room for other views of the situation. Sometimes there really is no right or wrong answer as to interpreting several people's perception of an event, whether it's something seen in person, whether it's on video (did he premeditate the murder), or in forum posts, even if everyone is looking at the same thing.
I think truth is much definable if we talk about concepts and philosophy. This is why, in my opinion, the Ra channelings focus so much on philosophy concepts. The real truth, is in concepts, and we incarnate in order to apply those concepts to the mess of often practically indeterminate factual reality in physical reality. I think we make it harder on ourselve when we adamantly believe certain facts, because, as many philosophers in the area of epistlemology would say, facts about physical reality are basically unknowable. That doesn't mean we shouldn't make decisions based on our perception, but it is useful to do so with the understanding that we are making a decision based on our (or perhaps the majority) perception, while leaving room for other views.
Much love,
xise
RE: Forum Transparency - Ray - 01-17-2013
Of course, you are correct, Xise, by saying "the truth", I do not mean that one's view is unquestionable fact. What I mean is, how you really feel. When you compromise that, just for the sake of getting along, you are not making an effort to reach a real understanding with a person.