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RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - caycegal - 08-13-2012
Repeat: God begins and ends in mystery. I like that - because God is not comprehendable by the human mind. According to the sages, however, we can join with/experience directly God. Our human reasonings are limited.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Siren - 08-13-2012
(08-11-2012, 06:08 PM)ShinAr Wrote: But in this thinking you are trapped in a box within a box within a box. You never really address the origin because that origin always has another origin/catalyst in your supposition.
You keep referring this origin behind the origin. Then I will answer to you this way: the "origin" behind absolutely All That Is, Was, and Shall Ever Always Be, is a MYSTERY.
Whether the Source of the One Infinite Creator is this Mystery or the Mystery is the One Infinite Creator is, in my opinion, a semantic problem which is rather pointless arguing over.
Quote:Sound is the frequency of the vibration of light as it extends from the Source concentrically. Matter would be the condensed form of vibration as it moves further from Its Source. I don’t know if that is scientifically appropriate or not, but that is the best way for me to describe my thinking.
Matter is condensed light. Vibration, or Love, is the "Architect," if you will, which organizes, manifests and arranges this light in various patterns, forms, shapes and configurations and degrees of "solidity," so to speak. Using this analogy, light is not the Architect but the Architecture. Yet the Architecture is full of the Love of the Architect, and therefore the Architect is within its Architecture.
If you prefer to continue seeing "The One True Light" as The Source of everything, I shall continue to respect that and acknowledge it as a valid choice of understanding/interpretation (provided it works for you and aids you in your path of seeking).
Quote:I cannot accept this because in my thinking once again, this seems to inappropriately define infinity. How can infinity be preceded?
Before Infinity became aware/conscious/intelligent, what was it? I do not know, therefore it is a Mystery to me.
Quote:May I ask you a question with regard to potential which you define as the nature and latent energy of the Void.
What do you suppose is intelligent in Infinity, if it does not experience itself or know itself? That does not seem to be intelligence of any sort.
In a sequential fashion, first comes the awareness of Infinity of its own infinitude, and hence its own Infinite POTENTIAL for experiencing/knowing Itself. Then comes the will/choice to FOCUS upon a particular system of experience. Thirdly, LIGHT is formed, and the stage is set for the experiencing of said system of experience.
(08-10-2012, 04:25 PM)TheEternal Wrote: What is the sound of awareness?
Or, even, what is the sound of infinity?
I cannot answer, for still seek to fully attain it.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - rva_jeremy - 08-13-2012
Does infinity become aware, or is infinity already aware? I think words fail here. I suspect "become" is the wrong verb here because it implies a temporal element that Ra has already suggested is illusory.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Unbound - 08-13-2012
It is simple, the sound is silence.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - anagogy - 08-13-2012
If the following repeats concepts that have already been offered, I apologize, as I have not read every single post in this thread. Unfortunately, my time is often limited.
In my opinion, when Ra stated that "infinity became aware", it was intended to imply that infinity became *self* aware. Previous to self-awareness, which is the focus known as Logos, there was simply awareness of infinite potential. Awareness of infinite potential, is the irreducible base state of consciousness, and cannot be reduced farther. All constructs/energy in existence is derived from this fundamental energy which is consciousness.
The picture most would have at this point is the image of the canvas, awaiting the painting. However, the analogy is not perfect, and the following Ra quote exemplifies why:
Quote:82.10 Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.
Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.
A plenum is the opposite of a vacuum. Therefore, in my opinion, there never was a void, but rather, the exact opposite. In intelligent infinity is everything that could possibly be. I am reminded of a quote by Michelangelo when he was sculpting the statue of David. He said something to the effect of, "Every block of stone has a statue inside it and it is the task of the sculptor to discover it."
You see, he didn't create the statue, so much as he merely revealed what was already there. Similarly, everything we perceive as creation is only manifest in such and such a way because our awareness of the rest of infinity has been temporarily filtered or limited so that the illusion appears as it does. But make no mistake, infinity is all encompassing. The finite is contained with the infinite. The tangible is contained within the intangible. When infinity became "aware", it actually was a limitation upon that infinity. Not limitation in a negative sense, as limits are actually necessary in order to empower creativity, but rather, a refinement of the plenum of infinity -- what Ra calls the "original thought".
Thus, the creation is more akin to a chalkboard that is completely covered in chalk. And creation is like taking an eraser and erasing everything you don't want to be part of your "illusion". All refinements on this infinity are the narrowing of focus to certain specific attributes.
Quote:51.10 Questioner: Immediately after the death of the physical body, the— you have stated that the, the… I believe I’m correct in saying that, primary activated body is the indigo, and you stated it— that it is the form-maker. Why is this so? Can you answer that?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this session of working.
The indigo body may be seen to be an analog for intelligent energy. It is, in microcosm, the Logos. The intelligent energy of the mind/body/spirit complex totality draws its existence from intelligent infinity or the Creator. This Creator is to be understood, both in macrocosm and microcosm, to have, as we have said, two natures: the unpotentiated infinity which is intelligent; this is all that there is.
Free will has potentiated, both the Creator of us all and our selves as co-Creators with intelligent infinity which has will. This will may be drawn upon by the indigo or form-making body and its wisdom used to then choose the appropriate locus and type of experience which this co-Creator or sub-sub-Logos you call so carelessly a person will take.
I take this quote to imply that consciousness had free will, before it ever had an objectified "self". Free will took consciousness to focus into a "self" which is the Logos.
Everything eventually returns to the plenum (in reality it never left). The plenum is the octave density. Ra calls it alpha and omega. It is changeless and eternal. All change is contained within this changeless infinity. Infinite change exists within the container of this plenum of infinity.
It is illusory change, however.
All that is is *Existence*. This is the only reality. I've always seen consciousness as a form of light. It "illuminates" existence. Without it, nothing could be "seen". I often describe consciousness as "clear light" because of this. This is more than just semantics. All other forms of light are the result of this clear light energy lowering its vibration until it manifests as all the things we are familiar with.
The beginning of "duality" or "polarity" or "separation" is when an opposite to existence is imagined, through the potentiation of free will. This "imaginary" nothingness gives rise to the illusion of separation, that something can be apart from infinite unity. This is the potentiation of the path of "that which is not".
Existence is light, and nonexistence is darkness, metaphysically speaking. But realize that light is the truth, and darkness is the lie. Nothingness cannot actually exist, except in illusion. Separation cannot actually exist, except in illusion.
There is only truth in existence, and the resistance to truth in the concept of "nothingness". When you let go of your tenacious hold on illusion, you are naturally filled with the light of the one infinite creator, which dissolves all illusions.
Darkness is the absence of light. If light is present, darkness cannot be.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Shin'Ar - 08-22-2012
Although I would be more in line with Anagogy's speculation in the post immediately above, I would add that all that is possible is more than infinity, it is also the manifestation of will imposed upon it as a force able to act infinitely.
In other words anagogy's viewpoint if often used to support the notion that creation is complete and that all that will be is already finished.
i do not hold to that premise and think that the future is still being created.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - caycegal - 08-22-2012
Shin'Ar,
Much that is in this thread is way too complex (dare I say convoluted?) for me to even attempt to understand what the writer meant.
However, replying to part of your comment, I don't like to think the future is fixed.
In my perspective "NOW" is all that exists. "NOW" (in my construct) is perpetually creating itself.
Don't ask me how the past and history fit into that - I'm waiting for some inspiration on that part of it.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Shin'Ar - 08-23-2012
(08-22-2012, 12:03 PM)caycegal Wrote: Shin'Ar,
Much that is in this thread is way too complex (dare I say convoluted?) for me to even attempt to understand what the writer meant.
However, replying to part of your comment, I don't like to think the future is fixed.
In my perspective "NOW" is all that exists. "NOW" (in my construct) is perpetually creating itself.
Don't ask me how the past and history fit into that - I'm waiting for some inspiration on that part of it.
Hang on tight to that thinking Cayce, because there are many that will tell you that Infinity is a compilation of all possibility.
I agree with you in this matter.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Infinite Unity - 08-22-2017
(07-29-2012, 07:00 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote:Quote:13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?
Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.
13.6 Questioner: From this infinity then must come what we experience as creation. What was the next step or the next evolvement?
Ra: I am Ra. Infinity became aware. This was the next step.
Okay, my interpretation is that infinity, containing ALL possibilities, must be aware as this is one of one the infinite possibilities. So its not that infinity became aware and so on but instead infinity being infinity already had awareness.
From a 'time line' perspective it would go awareness and then focusing into the One Infinite Creator. Meaning that this awareness in infinity and the One Infinite Creator have always really existed in a simultaneous manner right?
To my opinion Infinity contains all Intelligent possibilities. As causal, Takes an intelligent design. Its not about random possibilities but Intelligently designed ones. It became aware of what the core or creative principal of all possibilities would be.
Without Unity, Infinity has no reference or meaning.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Infinite Unity - 01-16-2018
(07-29-2012, 07:00 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote:Quote:13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?
Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.
13.6 Questioner: From this infinity then must come what we experience as creation. What was the next step or the next evolvement?
Ra: I am Ra. Infinity became aware. This was the next step.
Okay, my interpretation is that infinity, containing ALL possibilities, must be aware as this is one of one the infinite possibilities. So its not that infinity became aware and so on but instead infinity being infinity already had awareness.
From a 'time line' perspective it would go awareness and then focusing into the One Infinite Creator. Meaning that this awareness in infinity and the One Infinite Creator have always really existed in a simultaneous manner right?
the creator had a thought!
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Infinite Unity - 11-04-2018
(07-29-2012, 08:59 PM)Siren Wrote:(07-29-2012, 07:00 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware.
Session 13 is one of the most interesting sessions in the entire Ra Material. This is the first time Ra discuses cosmology in-depth. Being the first time (and being one of the earlier sessions of the contact) I believe certain terminologies had not exactly been established/agreed upon for the laying of a proper contextual foundation. Thus you will see various terms and concepts that may at times appear to overlap and/or contradict each other. This is "regularized," shall we say, in later sessions, as Ra's terms become more consistent throughout the continuation of the contact. So Session 13 can be best understood in light of later sessions.
Ra says,
Quote:Infinity became aware.
This is a very intriguing quote. Ra almost seems to hint there was an "un-aware" Infinity prior to Infinity becoming aware. Whether this Infinity here is different than Intelligent Infinity I do not know. All I know is that I see no difference between awareness and consciousness and intelligence. These terms are inseparable to me. Therefore if there is an Infinity that at one point or another was "un-aware," "un-conscious" and "un-intelligent," it is indeed a mystery...
On the following question Ra states,
Quote:Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.”
It is my understanding that here, "infinite energy," is equatable with what Ra would later refer to intelligent energy.
Ra continues,
Quote:The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity
Now Ra calls the focusing of infinity, "intelligent infinity," which seems to slightly overlap with the previous quote, in which Ra calls this focus of infinity, "infinite energy."
Ra has later said,
Quote:To define intelligent apart from infinity is difficult, for these two vibration complexes equal one concept.
And then,
Quote:There is unity. This unity is all that there is. This unity has a potential and kinetic. The potential is intelligent infinity. Tapping this potential will yield work. This work has been called by us, intelligent energy.
And they also said,
Quote:In this way you may observe the term to be somewhat two-sided, one use of the term, that being as the undistorted unity, being without any kinetic or potential side.
So unity is all there is: intelligent infinity and intelligent energy (potential and kinetic, respectively). And yet now we have the concept of undistorted unity, being without any kinetic or potential.
I suppose you may see Infinity as "preceding" Intelligent Infinity, or you may see them as the same; likewise, you may also interpret Intelligent Infinity as being intelligent energy. The truth is, that it doesn't really matter in 3rd density. My suggestion is that you meditate upon it if you seek further insight.
I shall, nevertheless, attempt to offer you my understanding: Intelligent Infinity is based on free-will and potential of experience; and the individualized focus, or Thought (Intelligent Energy, Logos) of this Infinity, is then responsible for the utilization/tapping of that potential for the generation of a particular medium, system or vehicle of experience (the Creation). This is a simplistic way to put it.
Everything else is a mystery.
Bear in mind that in channelings such as these the instrument is serving as a translator, therefore Ra was not actually speaking English: Ra's thoughts/energy vibrations were being received and interpreted by Carla, and translated into verbal format. Also consider that words have an enormous predisposition for misinterpretation. One example of this in the Ra Material is the word "galaxy." This word caused some confusion/difficulty in communication between Don and Ra, as Ra was using the word "galaxy" to refer to both galaxies (as in Milky Way) and solar/planetary systems. This had to be later clarified.
There may have been other instances in which similar accidental, semantic "complications" may have been present and not been noticed.
It isn't that the creator is or isn't one or the other, it is both. Just as the same "material/information" of 1d makes up all the building blocks of the following densities, and bodies. It's that the kinetic/concious/focus/Light draws or is informing or intelligizing the potential/unconscious/chaotic/unarticulated. It's not that darkness is destroyed by light, but light quite literally illuminates and allows one to see in the dark. Remember and focus those discoveries/potential/unlimited information/"material". Into the only thing possible, knowing the self, as the subject can only ever be a reflection.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - flofrog - 11-04-2018
about infinity,
http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Infinite Unity - 06-23-2019
Redacted
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - unity100 - 06-24-2019
Infinity is infinity at the point it is - point infinity.
A step below it, there is a differentiation. A separation. Two elements that constitute infinity separate.
These constitute intelligent infinity (creator) and its counterpart - which we dont know what it is.
And thus infinity becomes aware one step below it is infinity.
Its not a timeline per se, but it is a state inside the infinity. At that point, infinity is aware and is separated into two. At an earlier point, infinity is infinity.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Infinite Unity - 01-29-2020
(07-29-2012, 07:00 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote:Quote:13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?
Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.
13.6 Questioner: From this infinity then must come what we experience as creation. What was the next step or the next evolvement?
Ra: I am Ra. Infinity became aware. This was the next step.
Okay, my interpretation is that infinity, containing ALL possibilities, must be aware as this is one of one the infinite possibilities. So its not that infinity became aware and so on but instead infinity being infinity already had awareness.
From a 'time line' perspective it would go awareness and then focusing into the One Infinite Creator. Meaning that this awareness in infinity and the One Infinite Creator have always really existed in a simultaneous manner right?
It's relatable to waking up.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - Loki - 01-30-2020
(07-29-2012, 07:00 PM)LsavedSmeD Wrote:Quote:13.5 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me of the first known thing in the creation?
Ra: I am Ra. The first known thing in the creation is infinity. The infinity is creation.
13.6 Questioner: From this infinity then must come what we experience as creation. What was the next step or the next evolvement?
Ra: I am Ra. Infinity became aware. This was the next step.
Okay, my interpretation is that infinity, containing ALL possibilities, must be aware as this is one of one the infinite possibilities. So its not that infinity became aware and so on but instead infinity being infinity already had awareness.
From a 'time line' perspective it would go awareness and then focusing into the One Infinite Creator. Meaning that this awareness in infinity and the One Infinite Creator have always really existed in a simultaneous manner right?
My understanding is that awareness means the creation of a time dimension associated inseparably to the infinite consciousness. The initial thought when first occurred created an instant need for a form of temporarily and added irreversibly the time dimension to the infinite consciousness. This time though is not the same with the time existing in space/time. This consciousness associated time does not change Light the way physical time does but only changes Love. This is why true simultaneity does not exist. Awareness and consciousness/time are inseparable and make each and every octave unique. One Infinite Creator has a dual nature of consciousness/time.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - tamaryn - 01-31-2020
Because it is infinite.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - tamaryn - 01-31-2020
It is simply the byproduct of being infinite.
RE: How does Infinity simply 'become' aware. - tamaryn - 01-31-2020
It is like Ra is saying:
The first thing is infinite
Then the next (infinity * infinity) is awareness