(09-08-2009, 07:26 PM)Quantum Wrote: ..Look above wherein I state LOVE is enough. I am suggesting that love coupled also with the principle of contemplation allows polarization more acutely, this as specified in a Ra quote as seen and discussed in the "Rapid Polarization vis-a-vis Abstraction" thread on "Life on Planet Earth." Love is plenty enough. There may however be "far more to work with" as Ra stated, coupled with love.

(09-08-2009, 07:55 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Yes, you did indeed say love is enough. But then proceed to offer that maybe something could be added to it, by the terms love coupled also with. (If I'm misunderstanding you, please let me know!)
At the risk of splitting hairs, I think the difference between what I understand you to be saying and what I'm saying is this: I don't think anything can be added to love, for love is all there is. I don't think anything can be added to the final value of how much love/light is being absorbed/radiated,

(09-08-2009, 07:26 PM)Quantum Wrote: .....just for the exercise and wonderment, if not simply for the sheer joy of the "unknown maybe". Who knows needn't be offered with each new "maybe". We know we don't know.

(09-08-2009, 07:55 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I understand your point and don't want to diminish in any way your sense of wonderment. Personally, I find that I get so much exercise already, just dealing with everyday catalyst, that I keep plenty busy.

(09-08-2009, 02:47 PM)Quantum Wrote: ...it seems that in order for Love/Light to cause to move/ascend transcendentally, it must be received at least at 51% in kind in order for the said recipient thereof to act on same. His filters may be on at 49%, but off enough at 51% enough so as to receive at 51%. Thus the said reception of the L/L principle is minimally required at 51% to indeed cause to move equally at the 51% mark and thus transcend minimally at 51%. ...as it has been instructed, is that this density of 3D requires 51% to move to 4D. ....If 51% is required for us to penetrate/transcend, then may it not stand to reason that our ability to absorb at 51% is the Hallmark for transcendence?

(09-08-2009, 08:32 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: Greetings Quantum and thank you for your views, quite intellectual approach indeed! cool. I got only a few excerpts out. Since you mention the 51% and graduation topics, I thought of sharing this below with you.

I understand differently the 51% STO path. For me the 51% are rather on the giving end than on the receiving end....It is real simple the way I 'see' this: It comes to 51% giving versus 49% taking, basically!

(09-08-2009, 08:32 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: I am sure that somewhere Ra mentions the kind of energy we transfer through each of our chakra.

(09-08-2009, 08:32 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: I would not say that these 51% are matching our level of consciousness in the sense that it is virtually impossible to be more that 52% STO while surviving in 3D as human beings, since our metabolism itself is mainly an STS activity and so is our immune system.

(10-25-2009, 01:20 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Whitefeather, I definitely would like to continue this discussion. I'm going to separate these posts about diet/life force into its own thread so we can continue the discussion there. I'll do that later today.

(08-20-2009, 10:20 PM)Quantum Wrote: I confess that I've read the Oahspe material, and everything else mentioned casually in the LOO including "The Urantia" , both in their entirety. I can share with you that The Urantia is a collosal volume of 2097 pages, whereas the Oahspe is a mere pittance measuring in only at a 991 page monster, and at an incredibly small font at that. Were it the normal font size of a normal textbook I assure you it would reach well into the thousand plus of pages. It is an interesting book to be sure, reading in some senses of the word much like a Biblical manuscript. It is nothing like the LOO to answer your question. It is a Bible. I will share at the outset that there are several extremely disturbing and contradictory points contained in the book in comparison to the LOO Material.

Quote:14.28 Questioner: Can you tell me who was responsible for transmitting the book Oahspe?

Ra: .... ....


All names can be taken to be created for their vibrational characteristics. The information buried within has to do with a deeper understanding of love and light, and the attempts of infinite intelligence through many messengers to teach/learn those entities of your sphere.

(07-15-2012, 02:32 PM)Meerie Wrote: What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?

60.30: Questioner: What civilization was it that helped Ra using the pyramid shape while Ra was in third-density?

Ra: I am Ra. Your people have a fondness for the naming. These entities have begun their travel back to the Creator and are no longer experiencing time.


Why are they being so evasive when Don asks for the name of someone?

(07-15-2012, 02:32 PM)Meerie Wrote: What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?
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(07-15-2012, 02:32 PM)Meerie Wrote: What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?

Quote:85.7 ... Ra: I am Ra. If one wishes to have power over an entity it is an aid to know that entity’s name. If one wishes no power over an entity but wishes to collect that entity into the very heart of one’s own being it is well to forget the naming. Both processes are magically viable. Each is polarized in a specific way. It is your choice.

(07-15-2012, 05:28 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(07-15-2012, 02:32 PM)Meerie Wrote: What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?
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Naming an entity seems to compress the entity so much that its identity becomes nearly lost.

Any entity is SO much more than any names that could be attached to it.

(07-15-2012, 08:47 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(07-15-2012, 02:32 PM)Meerie Wrote: What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?

Maybe this?

Quote:85.7 ... Ra: I am Ra. If one wishes to have power over an entity it is an aid to know that entity’s name. If one wishes no power over an entity but wishes to collect that entity into the very heart of one’s own being it is well to forget the naming. Both processes are magically viable. Each is polarized in a specific way. It is your choice.

(07-15-2012, 08:47 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(07-15-2012, 02:32 PM)Meerie Wrote: What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?

Maybe this?

Quote:85.7 ... Ra: I am Ra. If one wishes to have power over an entity it is an aid to know that entity’s name. If one wishes no power over an entity but wishes to collect that entity into the very heart of one’s own being it is well to forget the naming. Both processes are magically viable. Each is polarized in a specific way. It is your choice.

(07-16-2012, 02:04 AM)Meerie Wrote: Hmm yes, maybe. I thought this "having power by knowing an entitys name" refers mostly to the real name that each of us has?
not our earthly name?

(07-15-2012, 08:52 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(07-15-2012, 05:28 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(07-15-2012, 02:32 PM)Meerie Wrote: What is it that Ra doesn't like about naming?
...

Naming an entity seems to compress the entity so much that its identity becomes nearly lost.

Any entity is SO much more than any names that could be attached to it.

What do you mean by compress? Speaking the name of an entity puts pressure on them? So is it bad to call on the name of Q'uo for instance? And what did you mean by its identity becomes nearly lost?

Quote:10.1
Ra: I am Ra. [...] These entities were so traumatized by this occurrence that they were in what you may call a social complex knot or tangle of fear. Some of your time passed. No one could reach them. No beings could aid them.

Approximately 600,000 of your years ago the then-existing members of the Confederation were able to deploy a social memory complex and untie the knot of fear. The entities were then able to recall that they were conscious. This awareness brought them to the point upon what you would call the lower astral planes where they could be nurtured until each mind/body/spirit complex was able finally to be healed of this trauma to the extent that each entity was able to examine the distortions it had experienced in the previous life/illusion complex.

Quote:20/27.3. The chief marshal said: Swift messengers, who are waiting outside, salute Jehovih's throne, and His God, and ask an audience. Fragapatti said: Where do they come from? And what is the nature of their business?

20/27.4. The marshal said: From the Aoasu'an fields of Howts. Their business concerns the Osivi knots.

[...]
20/27.6. Arieune said: Greeting, in love to you, Fragapatti, and to all your hosts. I hastened here from the fields of Howts, section twelve, on the one‑time plateau and place of Hored, where there are a billion in knot, and have been for many days. I reported this to the Lord God of Jaffeth, Ah'oan, but his forces are all employed, so he sent me here.

20/27.7. Fragapatti said: It is well. You are at liberty! Hoab, can you untie the knot? Hoab said: I have faith to try. To which Fragapatti replied: Athrava will go with you, but you do the labor. Choose, therefore, your hosts from my ethereans, and have a vessel made of sufficient size, so that if you find it advisable to bring them away, you can do so.

[...]
20/27.8. Hoab said: With Jehovih's help I will deliver them. And he saluted, and, with the captain of the files, he withdrew and made his selections, choosing five million in all, of whom half were physicians and nurses.

[...]
20/28.7. Behold, we are near the place. Then Hoab asked: How did you discover a knot in such a wasted country? Arieune answered him:

20/28.8. When Jehovih created woman, He gave to her two chief attributes, curiosity and solicitude for others. So, passing here, surveying the place where the first heavenly kingdom was, I remembered it had been said that Aph left some island places where once a colony in heaven had been built, and I stopped to examine it. A moan and terrible sound greeted me! I heard the Osivi knots, as I had often heard others before.

20/28.9. We landed and made fast, and presently went about searching, led by the sad, sad noise. Then we came to the great mound, the knot, a billion drujas [drujas are spirits who have lost their way and hang about Earth] bound in a heap! Wailing, muffled, moaning as if the whole heap of them were in the throes of death, but could not die!

[...]
20/28.13. Then Hoab stationed another million between the knot and the gateway, and these were stationed in four rows, each two rows facing one another and only two paces apart, so that, in all, there were two passages, each like a walled alleyway. And the other three million Hoab caused to surround the knot on every side. Each and every one of these was provided with a fire lamp, which they held in the right hand. And when all things were thus ready, Hoab commanded the attack to begin. And at once the attackers thrust their fire lamps in the face of the nearest druj, and, seizing them with the other hand, pulled them away. The drujas do not all relinquish their grip in the knot at sight of the lamp, but often require to be nearly burned and stifled with the light before they release their hold. Nor is this a grip of evil, but of fear.

20/28.14. The knot is nothing more nor less than a mass of millions and millions of spirits becoming panic‑stricken and falling upon their chief, or leader, who becomes powerless in their grip, and is quickly rolled up in the midst of the knot.

[...]
20/29.5. Hoab now turned his attention to the hosts of panic‑stricken drujas, who were constantly forming themselves in knots, and yet being as rapidly severed by the ethereans. To Athrava he said: How more helpless a deranged spirit is than a mortal! They float on their own wild thoughts. At one time they fly from us before the wind; at another they run together, or upon us, like molten gum, and we cannot keep them off.

20/29.6. Athrava said: Behold the wisdom of the Father in creating man in a corporeal body! What a glorious anchorage for a young, weak, or deranged spirit! What a home a corporeal body is! How much easier we could manage these crazed ones were they provided thus!

20/29.7. Hoab said: Which shows us the way we must proceed to restore them. Since we cannot create corporeal bodies for them, the Father has given us power to provide them subjectively for the time being.

[...]
then creating subjective bodies for them, to which they bound themselves willingly, and which prevented them from fastening to one another. (This is what drujas call reincarnation in another world.)