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RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Monica - 01-20-2012
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Wouldn't true integration be integration on equal ground? Instead of having to separate one's self from a society in order to understand it, wouldn't true acceptance of society and self be viewing society as the same as one's self?
Is Ra 'separate' from us? They are what they are. We are what we are.
We didn't just decide "oh I am separate because I'm not from this planet" - Ra volunteered the info, and it fit. It explained feelings we'd already had, before we knew or understood any of this stuff. It is what it is. I think it would be a disservice to ourselves to deny the truth of who and what we are.
Integrating and oneness don't mean sameness. We can have unity in our diversity.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: One who supposes they are a wanderer might have thought previously, "How can society be like this? None of this seems right, I really don't feel like I belong here." Then, instead of truly integrating into society, or really, society into self, there's a layer of separation. I'm not really talking about elitism in this case, but rather just separation. "Ah, that's why I feel so out of place...because I am out of place." And so a wanderer gains comfort from the idea that they aren't really part of this society, rather they truly belong somewhere else where they would feel at home.
Why would we want to "truly integrate into society?" That would mean being like everyone else - being violent, supporting wars, etc. That would totally negate the very reason we came here, which was to help raise the vibration of this planet.
We cannot fulfill our mission if we deny who we are.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I don't think all or most 3D natives would feel at home here. It's a density of learning to accept one's self and accept others, which we know is essentially the same thing. The things that we view in society which stir our emotions of isolation, alienation, despair, "home-sickness", "not belonging"...they're things inside of us, and society is merely showing us a reflection of that self we are struggling to accept. Wanderer or 3D native, I feel that the feeling would be the same.
I don't feel homesick any more. Understanding that I'm a Wanderer helped me to accept this place and now I feel excited to be here.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Of course it wouldn't be found in a depression quiz...that's not really what I meant. I mean the medication commercials always seem to ask such ambiguous questions that everyone would relate to at some point or another, not the same exact questions you'd find in a wanderer quiz.
Well then, you certainly don't have to take the quiz seriously if you prefer not to! Again, I don't think Carla intended it to be comprehensive or authoritative. She simply offered it as a tool to help Wanderers understand what they had been experiencing and feeling. She based her questions on her own experiences and observations of other Wanderers.
I agree that some of the feelings might be experienced by anyone sometimes, but I disagree that Wanderers don't feel those feelings more than others. I think they do. Just as everyone feels unhappy sometimes, but not as much as someone who is depressed.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Isn't learning something just remembering it anyways? If we exist as infinity in potentiation, whether it's a wanderer remembering concepts from their home density or a 3D native discovering those concepts through working with catalyst, it would all simply be discovering a part of oneself which was always there.
Ultimately, yes. But from our perspective, no.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Also, Ra says that if a 3D native had activated certain energy centers in a past lifetime then they are more easily activated in subsequent lifetimes. It could be the same as a wanderer remembering.
I was specifically referring to the attributes of green ray, which, presumably, Wanderers had already activated, but natives are learning for the first time.
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. You seem to be rejecting what Ra has told us about Wanderers, and maybe even the very existence of Wanderers at all. You're free to do that, of course. Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding you.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: For arguments sake, let's pretend we're talking about someone in very similar circumstances as your friend, but who isn't your friend, just to have an objective ground.
Couldn't he also be a 3D native who came near harvestability in the past and chose to incarnate into a religion to help discern the idea of universal love within those biases so that he could reach harvestability? Sharing obviously hand-in-hand with activating blue, something possible for both 3D natives and Wanderers.
Who knows? We're all just speculating. We don't really know if a native could display such a level of understanding. Maybe yes, maybe no. Anything is possible. But we do know that it's common for Wanderers, so naturally it seems much more likely that he's a Wanderer, since he displays all the characteristics.
This conversation reminds me of when my son was in kindergarten. He attended a prestigious private school, which we really couldn't afford but scraped the $$ together because we really felt it was the absolute best kindergarten in town. He had started reading at age 3 1/2 and by the time he got to kindergarten, he was reading 4th grade books, and multiplying 4x8 in his head.
The teachers at this school had a philosophy of "every child is special...every child is gifted" which I agree with, in terms of recognizing the unique specialness of every child. But that doesn't mean that every child is special in the same way.
They had assured me that they would meet his needs. But they didn't. They had him learning the alphabet with the others, even though he already knew the alphabet and was reading. They had him doing worksheets, adding 2+2, even though he was far beyond that.
What they did was they negated his own unique specialness. This was a disservice to him.
One of the teachers took me aside at the end of the year and acknowledged that he was indeed 'gifted' and that they had let him down. But she was just a part-timer so didn't have any voice in the matter. This experience set him back in many ways and we ended up homeschooling after that.
It wouldn't have been 'elitist' to serve this child in the way that was appropriate for him, any more than working with a handicapped or mentally retarded child is 'elitist'. Both are special needs.
Recognizing that we are Wanderers isn't elitist, in my opinion.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: This is exactly the sort of thinking I'm trying to pinpoint and bring up. You unintentionally set Wanderers above 3D natives by saying that, since Ron Paul has depth of understanding, he must be a wanderer.
I don't like the use of the word above. Was my son "above" the other children? No, of course not! Why must I negate who my son is? Why would I be considered "elitist" and "thinking my son is better than other children" just because I recognize his uniqueness?
Recognizing the uniqueness and specialness of each person, doesn't mean we are putting them "above" others!
Is your older brother "above" you just because he's older? Surely, being older, he learned to read before you did, right? Does that make him "above" you? No, he's just older!
Likewise, Wanderers aren't "above" 3D natives. We're just older. Just like Ra isn't "above" us; just older.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: This is implying that 3D natives are not capable of that depth of understanding.
Is it possible that a 3rd grade child will understand Calculus? Sure. But is it likely?
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: As if wanderers are innately able to dig deeper, reach a higher level of acceptance, and become more enlightened than the "average 3D Joe." I feel like if this level of acceptance weren't possible in 3D natives as well as wanderers, harvestability would not be possible.
Ra was very clear about the requirements for harvestability. When I mentioned Ron Paul and my Christian friend as examples of Wanderers, it's because they go above and beyond those requirements.
I have a neighbor who is a very simple-minded person, but with a very sweet spirit and a good heart. I fondly look at her and think "oh she is so obviously harvestable!" But is she a Wanderer? I see no evidence of that whatsoever.
What is wrong with recognizing Wanderers? Now if I were going around intentionally analyzing everyone, categorizing them into STS, repeat 3D, harvestable, Wanderer, etc. well that wouldn't be cool, for the simple reason that I'm not qualified to do that. But sometimes, ya know, it just jumps out at me! I wasn't looking for it, but there it is. I didn't set out to analyze my neighbor as to whether she was harvestable or not; I just couldn't help but notice, because it's so obvious.
In cases like that, I'm not going to suppress what is obvious and deny the truth of what I see. I'm not going to say my son has average intelligence when he clearly has above average intelligence. Likewise, I'm not going to say "well maybe Ron Paul is a native" when he so clearly demonstrates all the classic traits of Wanderer! And we know from Ra that Wanderers often incarnate into positions of influence. Jesus, Gandhi, Yogananda, Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa...In my opinion, I think it's safe to say that these entities are all Wanderers, for the simple reason that it's much more likely.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: The requirements for a wanderer and a 3D native to be harvested are the same, and we know that wandering is a dangerous game because they don't always make it to harvestability, while some 3D natives do.
And some Wanderers even switch over to STS. It may be rare, but it happens. That doesn't negate the fact that many Wanderers retain their harvestability quite easily, as well as fulfilling their mission.
(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:Quote:Recognizing that we're Wanderers needn't be any sort of ego trip. We're not 'better' and I don't like to think in terms of 'more evolved' because that can lead to inflated egos and feelings of separation. I prefer to think in terms of just being older siblings.
We can remove the idea of an ego trip and just examine the idea of viewing one as separate from the rest. And I'm definitely not saying that everyone who feels they are wanderers is using this as a method of escapism. I'm just proposing that it can be used as a cop out to accept this society. If we have to metaphorically remove ourselves from society in order to accept it, are we really accepting it?
I don't see recognizing the reality of who we are as "removing ourselves" or "elevating ourselves." And anything can be used as a cop-out.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Diana - 01-20-2012
I agree with Monica's above responses. What is, is. If one is a wanderer, one is a wanderer.
What does it matter if some individuals latch onto the wanderer concept if they are not wanderers? That is for the individual to balance. It doesn't change the fact that some individuals ARE wanderers.
If one is a wanderer, it seems really helpful to understand that. Then the wanderer can spend more time completing the "mission" and less time wondering what the heck is going on (don't fit, completely different mindset from the "norm," dreams of living on another planet, and on and on).
Even within the context of the Ra material, it could be helpful to have insights on density. It can explain certain imbalances, such as the emphasis of being hypersensitive to compassion while at the same time also being very objective and thought of as "cold" and knowledge driven. Logically, it doesn't make sense, but from the perspective of 6th density, it does. One can then have a different perspective and be proactive and accepting, rather than perplexed and defensive.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Bring4th_Austin - 01-20-2012
(01-20-2012, 02:08 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: We didn't just decide "oh I am separate because I'm not from this planet" - Ra volunteered the info, and it fit. It explained feelings we'd already had, before we knew or understood any of this stuff. It is what it is. I think it would be a disservice to ourselves to deny the truth of who and what we are.
I never said anything about denying the intuitive notion. Examining, maybe, denying, no.
Quote:Why would we want to "truly integrate into society?" That would mean being like everyone else - being violent, supporting wars, etc. That would totally negate the very reason we came here, which was to help raise the vibration of this planet.
You feel like every person who has successfully integrated into society is violent and supports wars? I have to disagree. I think it's extreme to classify every individual who integrates into society in those terms
What's the difference between integrating into society and integrating society into ourselves? This is what yellow ray deals with, identifying, observing, and integrating the societal self. If viewing these things (violence, wars, etc) stirs an emotional charge within you, that is essentially imbalance. If the emotional charge is so strong that the only way for someone to feel comfort is to believe they had no part in the creation or perpetuation of the society and they are only there to change it to what they think is best, I question the balance in that line of thought. Accepting and integrating what one feels within this society, whether wanderer or 3D native, is work of yellow ray balance. Wanderers didn't just come here for service, they also came here to learn and to balance. Saying integrating into society would "negate the reason we came here" seems backwards to me. Viewing this society with balanced acceptance I believe would be a major reason many Wanderers came here, as well as service.
I'll reiterate, I'm not saying all wanderers do this. I see it as a possible condition spawning from the wanderer theme.
Quote:We cannot fulfill our mission if we deny who we are.
So if one is using the idea of being a wanderer to deny a part of themselves (the reflection which society is showing them), then I can see how it can be detrimental to fulfilling one's mission.
Quote:I don't feel homesick any more. Understanding that I'm a Wanderer helped me to accept this place and now I feel excited to be here.
I'm not talking about you specifically. I apologize if you feel that way. I'm expressing these ideas as an idea to be examined, not as an examination of you personally. Using some of what you say you feel personally is only because it is common among wanderers, and I'm not trying to say that what you are expressing personally is what I am describing.
Many wanderers claim to feel a persistent homesickness.
Quote:(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Of course it wouldn't be found in a depression quiz...that's not really what I meant. I mean the medication commercials always seem to ask such ambiguous questions that everyone would relate to at some point or another, not the same exact questions you'd find in a wanderer quiz.
Well then, you certainly don't have to take the quiz seriously if you prefer not to! Again, I don't think Carla intended it to be comprehensive or authoritative. She simply offered it as a tool to help Wanderers understand what they had been experiencing and feeling. She based her questions on her own experiences and observations of other Wanderers.
I think you may have missed my point again. I'm not saying if you relate to those things it's only because of what I'm describing. I'm saying that someone who is having trouble integrating and accepting may latch on to these ideas as escapism and take on the mask of a wanderer because they cannot bring themselves to accept what they see around them.
Quote:(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Also, Ra says that if a 3D native had activated certain energy centers in a past lifetime then they are more easily activated in subsequent lifetimes. It could be the same as a wanderer remembering.
I was specifically referring to the attributes of green ray, which, presumably, Wanderers had already activated, but natives are learning for the first time.
Not necessarily. Harvestability is as much, if not more, about balance as it is about green ray activation. Someone may have activated green ray in multiple lifetimes but ultimately failed to balance and integrate their experience. We know that in these times specifically those near harvestability are have priority to incarnate.
Quote:I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. You seem to be rejecting what Ra has told us about Wanderers, and maybe even the very existence of Wanderers at all. You're free to do that, of course. Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding you.
You are misunderstanding, I'm not sure how you arrived at that. I ended my last post with "I'm definitely not saying that everyone who feels they are wanderers is using this as a method of escapism. I'm just proposing that it can be used as a cop out to accept this society."
Quote:It wouldn't have been 'elitist' to serve this child in the way that was appropriate for him, any more than working with a handicapped or mentally retarded child is 'elitist'. Both are special needs.
Recognizing that we are Wanderers isn't elitist, in my opinion.
This is again aside from what I was saying. Also from the last statement in my post: "We can remove the idea of an ego trip (elitism) and just examine the idea of viewing one as separate from the rest."
You story highlights the importance of recognizing our unique individuality, which I suppose can be done by recognizing one's status as a wanderer, but again I'm not talking about everyone who identifies as a wanderer.
Quote:(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: This is exactly the sort of thinking I'm trying to pinpoint and bring up. You unintentionally set Wanderers above 3D natives by saying that, since Ron Paul has depth of understanding, he must be a wanderer.
I don't like the use of the word above. Was my son "above" the other children? No, of course not! Why must I negate who my son is? Why would I be considered "elitist" and "thinking my son is better than other children" just because I recognize his uniqueness?
In my original post I expressed a few issues I wanted to examine about the wanderer issue, and this is separate from essentially what I'm trying to discuss here. The issue of identifying others as wanderers simply because of their level of awareness is something I question aside from the idea of using the wanderer idea as escapism. I don't think my fickle train of thought served the conversation so I want to make that distinction now.
Regarding this, it was obviously important to distinguish your son's uniqueness for meeting his needs and allowing him to excel. What is the point of recognizing people like politicians or public figures as wanderers? That's a genuine question, not undue skepticism. I think we disagree that 3D natives and wanderers can both reach the same level of understanding. I feel like claiming someone who reaches a level of understanding or honesty must not be a 3D native is diminishing to the potential of 3D natives.
Quote:Is your older brother "above" you just because he's older?He certainly thought so.
Quote:Now if I were going around intentionally analyzing everyone, categorizing them into STS, repeat 3D, harvestable, Wanderer, etc. well that wouldn't be cool, for the simple reason that I'm not qualified to do that. But sometimes, ya know, it just jumps out at me! I wasn't looking for it, but there it is. I didn't set out to analyze my neighbor as to whether she was harvestable or not; I just couldn't help but notice, because it's so obvious.
Where our mind goes, or when something we perceive "jumps out" at us, there's usually some function in the mind which causes this with some deeper meaning, asking to be examined. I'm not trying to say anything specifically here about what jumps out at you. Just a general thought I figured I'd share.
Quote:(01-20-2012, 12:25 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: The requirements for a wanderer and a 3D native to be harvested are the same, and we know that wandering is a dangerous game because they don't always make it to harvestability, while some 3D natives do.
And some Wanderers even switch over to STS. It may be rare, but it happens. That doesn't negate the fact that many Wanderers retain their harvestability quite easily, as well as fulfilling their mission.
How do we know they retain harvestability easily?
Quote:I don't see recognizing the reality of who we are as "removing ourselves" or "elevating ourselves."
Not innately.
Quote:And anything can be used as a cop-out.
True, some things more than others.
(01-20-2012, 02:36 PM)Diana Wrote: One can then have a different perspective and be proactive and accepting, rather than perplexed and defensive.
Perplexed and defensive being emotions which should be balanced on their own terms.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - turtledude23 - 01-22-2012
(01-17-2012, 07:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I don't know how this is exactly happening, but people on this forum keep asking questions about things I have just read in the Aaron/Q'uo Dialogues. It is quite uncanny. Anyway, here are some more relevant quotes.
The Aaron/Q’uo Dialogues, Session 25
24 Sep 94
Quote:Group question: Everyone seems to want to go deeply into how to do the work that we have come to do, as it pertains to wanderers especially.
Aaron Wrote:Regardless of where you came from, many of your reasons for being incarnate are the same: to learn deeper compassion, deeper love; to move beyond judgment; to move beyond attachment to your opinions and to the small ego self and come more fully into the group consciousness; and as one mentioned earlier today, to learn forgiveness.
Q'uo Wrote:You see, wanderers gaze with a more jaundiced eye at that mud because it is not as familiar and it seems unnecessary to that witness within. If the wanderer is fourth density, the mud will tend to be along the lines of what is right and what is wrong, what is moral and what will help. There is a kind of desire to battle the forces of negativity. When the wanderer has come into the cycle of reincarnations from fifth density, the mud is likely to tend towards sticking in the area of life dealing with intimacy, for the wisdom density has the hard-won opinion that the war of good and evil is not necessary. Whereas the fourth-density wanderer will speak in terms of relationship, the fifth-density wanderer will speak in terms of self and Creator, certainly a relationship beyond all others but not a relationship easily practiced upon the family and acquaintances one meets at first glance. If the wanderer is sixth-density, the likelihood tends to be that both of these areas: the right/wrong issue which so often polarizes relationships between entities, and the issue of lack of ability to allow intimacy. These energies of compassion and wisdom are being balanced in sixth density. So the wanderer who comes to the third density to aid brings through the veil of forgetting unrealistic expectation, both in the areas of relationship with others and relationship with the Creator.
Now, the wanderer is also a convert in that the wanderer did not have to come to this party. The wanderer chose to come here, so that entity who is a wanderer has outsized, larger-than-life feelings that she came here to serve, that he must find the service, whether the scope and direction of this service is in finding the Creator in other people or finding the intimacy of family with the self and the Creator. These desires will be exaggerated beyond that which is normal for those who “have to be at this party, have to pass this test—now.” The wanderer, indeed, is in a precarious situation until he can lay down his armor, his differences, his pains; and grievances that bind her to her body, her situation, with ribbons of “should” and “must” which tie us in knots.
I can definitely identify with "the hard-won opinion that the war of good and evil is not necessary." I have had sneaking suspicious for years that I am one of those who made the switch from negative to positive in early 6D. But since reading Dolores Cannon's last book, I have been wondering if I am one of these souls who has never taken physical incarnation before. I hadn't previously considered that one could have had experience in the higher densities before the lower ones, and thought that we all "come up through the ranks" so to speak.
I already thought I was from 6D, after reading this I'm even more sure of it. I went through years of looking for morality, I'm passed that and now I'm looking for intimacy.
I believe I was STS in 5D and had to switch to STO in 6D and now I'm here to balance it out.
Assuming these descriptions are true: http://www.in5d.com/which-star-system-did-you-originate-from.html#pleiades I believe I'm from pleiades.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Plenum - 01-22-2012
(01-22-2012, 02:38 PM)turtledude23 Wrote: Assuming these descriptions are true: http://www.in5d.com/which-star-system-did-you-originate-from.html#pleiades I believe I'm from pleiades.
well ... you'd be in luck then! so many people claim to channel from the Pleiadians, that you should find some home resonance there.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - godwide_void - 01-23-2012
(01-20-2012, 08:00 AM)Meerie Wrote: GV these explanations are the same that are in the link I gave on page 2
Thanks guys, and woops! Sorry Meerie, I just went back to the 2nd page and saw your link (I wasn't even aware you'd posted it before I posted these descriptions!). What a funny little synchronicity.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Dinko - 02-12-2012
density of light
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Liet - 02-12-2012
(01-18-2012, 07:12 PM)Wander Wrote: I don't know why, it seems it would be a kind of infinite quest. Perhaps it could be useful for beings wishing to become hosts to lower-density lifeforms?
About this; last summer i observed when outside in the sun sitting under various trees meditating, that the more creatures/insects/flies etz were stationary on me, the more effect i got out of meditation.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Phoenix - 02-12-2012
Another long argument, how exciting for all of us
.Think I'm sixth now, but elsewhere on the forum I've labelled myself as fifth.
It seems complicated to me. I don't think Ra's directions on the subject reveal much. 32.9 : The sixth-density, ..., is likely to refrain, to a great extent, from the bisexual reproductive programming of the bodily complex. However, Carla Rueckert, whom is sixth density it would seem, doesn't.
David Wilcock once wrote that fifth density entities seem like the Seth Material and Jane Roberts. Dedicated to pursuing as much science and truth as they can. And Sixth density, like Carla, are more about the One Infinite Creator.
However, David/ Edgar Cayce/ Ra- ta, who is sixth, might be mistaked for fifth under that generalization.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Monica - 02-12-2012
I have a question for those who think they know which density they're from, particularly those who believe themselves to be from 6D:
Would you like to share how you arrived at that conclusion?
As one who has no clue which D I am from, I genuinely curious how you figured it out.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Aureus - 02-12-2012
(02-12-2012, 11:55 AM)Liet Wrote: About this; last summer i observed when outside in the sun sitting under various trees meditating, that the more creatures/insects/flies etz were stationary on me, the more effect i got out of meditation.
How cool
I long until next spring and summer. It's like an arctic desert here :pI was thinking in terms of planetary bodies. Perhaps you were experiencing something like a planet would?
Like if we are the extensions of the Gaia consciousness (ad infinitum). That kind of makes sense.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - charlie2012 - 02-12-2012
To the best of my knowledge im sixth, although it's nothing i brag about when im in town or anything
I think that we are all in different densities at different times to help each other out, so no density, or being for that matter, is "better" than the other.Why i think im sixth? I do not see a real difference between sto/sts (i understand the concept but both aid the infinite creator so neither is possible in actuality), i remembered unconditional love quite quickly during my awakening process (though it takes time to "master" it in 3rd density!), and see my purpose as "balance" when viewing "situations" in retrospect. Being positive and spreading love is easy for me in darkness, but i can bring shadow to a bright room (as catalyst).
However i see it as fully possible that i might be 3rd density and have been fooled to think i am of sixth, it really doesn't matter as long as we do what we feel is right, and even when we don't it's right.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Liet - 02-12-2012
(02-12-2012, 04:45 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I have a question for those who think they know which density they're from, particularly those who believe themselves to be from 6D:
Would you like to share how you arrived at that conclusion?
As one who has no clue which D I am from, I genuinely curious how you figured it out.
The clues given by Ra paints a rather muddy picture due to the law of confusion that they just dont wanna break..
If your aura is somewhere between the full upper spectrum and silver, ur of the 4th density personality.
Compassion, sensitivity and belief are your strengths.
Overly selfless actions.
For this personality to reach fifth, maskulinity has to be added, as it results in the craving for raw knowledge not just based in belief..
An understanding of things to the point where you can explain in to a "non-believer" and they wont shun at you.
Balance between the self and other self is attained.
For the sixth density personality, the only thing left is to turn your aura into golden white...
Aka shiiiny gold that is a combination of gold/silver/lime/purple... the frequency "1"
(mix gold and silver for ruby-coating on crystals, that red colors 2nd and 3rd chain-stages are lime and purple)
Learned how to connect everything to the/its root... hence "the density of unity"
![[Image: sahasrara.jpg]](http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23613811/sahasrara.jpg)
Focus on yourself as a whole, what do you see? (you might need to back away abit or make the image smaller in order to see more than basic colors)
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Monica - 02-12-2012
(02-12-2012, 05:33 PM)charlie2012 Wrote: However i see it as fully possible that i might be 3rd density and have been fooled to think i am of sixth,
Haha! I was just thinking that, and then read this! That's exactly what I'm getting at...
This reminds me of The Fool archetype, who is both 0 and everything.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Ankh - 02-12-2012
(02-12-2012, 04:45 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I have a question for those who think they know which density they're from, particularly those who believe themselves to be from 6D:
Would you like to share how you arrived at that conclusion?
As one who has no clue which D I am from, I genuinely curious how you figured it out.
When I read about sixth density, it arises like a song, which you haven't heard for a very long time. It's more than just a love song, it wakes up waves inside of you, and you... remember. You have logically no idea of what you remember, it is beyond words and concepts that I am equiped with, but you do know *that* you remember. Other times these waves brings tears into your eyes. There is one special quote that I love of Q'uo, describing sixth density, and when I read it for the first time, I cried, and cried. I had no idea why I cried, but something inside me told me that I knew what they were talking about, only not on logical level.
With that being said, I want to add that there is of course no way to know this. It is a feeling beyond. Every time I read about sixth density in Ra material or in Q'uo sessions, words do sing songs.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Aureus - 02-12-2012
So lotus picture, we meet again >
It was yellow/golden this time too. And it was shiny in the way a CD reflects light when you angle it a little. Kind of a circular spin.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Liet - 02-12-2012
Everyone dont do the same top-down evolution tho, i for one began at the root and worked my way up to the whole.
(02-12-2012, 06:14 PM)Wander Wrote: So lotus picture, we meet again >Yes, seem like it had to come again...
Might note that i really dont like repeating myself, gotta add new information or go at it from another angel every time....
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Aureus - 02-12-2012
That is okay. I don't see how my statement contained any bigger questions. I'm still quite amazed at your understandings of the relation of various colors, frequencies and whatnot
So it's hard not sharing my experience with the other-selves that will be reading this thread in a near future It's all good ^^, note taken!
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Monica - 02-12-2012
(02-12-2012, 06:07 PM)Ankh Wrote: When I read about sixth density, it arises like a song, which you haven't heard for a very long time. It's more than just a love song, it wakes up waves inside of you, and you... remember. You have logically no idea of what you remember, it is beyond words and concepts that I am equiped with, but you do know *that* you remember. Other times these waves brings tears into your eyes. There is one special quote that I love of Q'uo, describing sixth density, and when I read it for the first time, I cried, and cried. I had no idea why I cried, but something inside me told me that I knew what they were talking about, only not on logical level.
With that being said, I want to add that there is of course no way to know this. It is a feeling beyond. Every time I read about sixth density in Ra material or in Q'uo sessions, words do sing songs.
I felt that way about the entire Law of One! Pretty much every word in all the books. It all rang true for me, and felt very very familiar.
But...I'm not sure that a feeling is a good indication for which density we're from. Might there be other interpretations to such feelings?
I'm not saying you're wrong in your conclusion; I'm just musing about how we interpret feelings.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Ankh - 02-12-2012
(02-12-2012, 07:14 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I felt that way about the entire Law of One! Pretty much every word in all the books. It all rang true for me, and felt very very familiar.
But...I'm not sure that a feeling is a good indication for which density we're from. Might there be other interpretations to such feelings?
I'm not saying you're wrong in your conclusion; I'm just musing about how we interpret feelings.
Well, you said that entire Law of One rang true to you, and *felt* very very familiar. Then you posted this, which is how I *feel* about that density. Besides feelings, emotions and everything else that come up in the self indicating something, and sometimes beyond - that you *know exactly* what they are talking about, which you just can't capture it with your current mind or words, there are also particular lessons that tell you what you came here to learn, which in regards to that destiny described as perfecting. There is also faith.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Monica - 02-12-2012
(02-12-2012, 08:00 PM)Ankh Wrote: Well, you said that entire Law of One rang true to you, and *felt* very very familiar. Then you posted this, which is how I *feel* about that density. Besides feelings, emotions and everything else that come up in the self indicating something, and sometimes beyond - that you *know exactly* what they are talking about, which you just can't capture it with your current mind or words, there are also particular lessons that tell you what you came here to learn, which in regards to that destiny described as perfecting. There is also faith.
Then by that logic, I guess I'm 6D too. Maybe yes, maybe no. I'm still not convinced we can really know while still veiled, or that it even matters, and I still have some concerns that it could even be counterproductive. But I respect your opinion about it. Thank you for the explanation!
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Ankh - 02-12-2012
(02-12-2012, 09:27 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Then by that logic, I guess I'm 6D too. Maybe yes, maybe no. I'm still not convinced we can really know while still veiled, or that it even matters, and I still have some concerns that it could even be counterproductive. But I respect your opinion about it. Thank you for the explanation!
Sure it can be counterproductive, as identifying itself as a Wanderer can be counterproductive, which is what Austin was trying to say among other things, I guess. And of course it doesn't matter, it just explains some stuff, as a description of a Wanderer perhaps explained stuff for many of us. What matters more though, imho, are the lessons we came here to learn.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Monica - 02-13-2012
(02-12-2012, 11:14 PM)Ankh Wrote: Sure it can be counterproductive, as identifying itself as a Wanderer can be counterproductive, which is what Austin was trying to say among other things, I guess. And of course it doesn't matter, it just explains some stuff, as a description of a Wanderer perhaps explained stuff for many of us. What matters more though, imho, are the lessons we came here to learn.
Here's the difference: We're not going out into other communities and announcing that we're Wanderers...thousands if not millions of years more advanced than our native friends and families. We're speaking of it privately, so it's a bonding, unifying thing rather than a separating thing.
But I could see this conversation easily turning into a separating thing, even triggering feelings of elitism/inadequacy among some. I just don't see the seeking of further delineations beyond Wanderer as being productive, and certainly not unifying.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Ankh - 02-13-2012
(02-13-2012, 01:07 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Here's the difference: We're not going out into other communities and announcing that we're Wanderers...thousands if not millions of years more advanced than our native friends and families. We're speaking of it privately, so it's a bonding, unifying thing rather than a separating thing.
But I could see this conversation easily turning into a separating thing, even triggering feelings of elitism/inadequacy among some. I just don't see the seeking of further delineations beyond Wanderer as being productive, and certainly not unifying.
I understand what you are saying. Here is the difference in my understanding: each mind/body/spirit complex. You don't see "the seeking of further delineations beyond Wanderer as being productive", as Austin was trying to say that the identification with being a Wanderer was not productive. And you told him that Ra did mention Wanderers. Well, they also mentioned densities and each densities specifics and different lessons. And I am trying to say that if it is there, then it is there. Of course it can be a separating thing, as resonating with being a Wanderer can also act as such a thing; *perhaps* not on this forum, but in for instance daily interactions with other selves.
If this catalyst of superiority/inferiority which you talk about is not processed, or worked with, then you don't even need to resonate with being a Wanderer, as there will be many other situations pointing you into this lesson. Each will learn the Law of One, of unity, in its own unique way.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Liet - 02-13-2012
(02-12-2012, 06:43 PM)Wander Wrote: That is okay. I don't see how my statement contained any bigger questions. I'm still quite amazed at your understandings of the relation of various colors, frequencies and whatnot
It's all good ^^, note taken!
Wasnt you i was repeating myself for... but it seem to go unnoticed still.
The thing about knowledge and metaphors... After a certain threshold one is capable of figuring nearly everything out with ease (not to be confused with the pointless "knowing everything")
I believe Ra mentioned it as "a perfect balance between the known and the unknown"
Dont wanna know more than i need to know.. Because information is heavy, and when my upper spectrum is just slightly below what it should be.. (aka not capable of perfectly counterbalancing the weight), i'm cynical as f*** (you have no idea)
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Sagittarius - 02-13-2012
(02-12-2012, 06:14 PM)Wander Wrote: So lotus picture, we meet again >
I see as you see it. I'am thinking me and you are very close in progression.
I see lime green as well however.
I think I remember Liet saying this was meaning I had to balance the root chakra. Funnily enough when he first posted it I could see purple as well, Liet said this means I must balance my solar plexus.
Much of my catalyst after that was to do with my solar plexus and funnily enough after a major catalyst as I would call it I felt a big difference in my solar plexus. Surely enough I check the lotus flower and purple had disappeared.
I find my catalyst at this point in time directly relating to my root chakra. I will report when the green is gone. I feel like it may take awhile, longer then balancing my yellow.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Aureus - 02-13-2012
I saw limegreen before too. There might have been slight tones in there now as well, but it was really hard to distinguish. Liet wrote a chart of frequencies for the various energy centers, and found 2 interesting frequencies that worked very good together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF-D0fdwq5s&context=C3aa5fb9ADOEgsToPDskJUE6o2S3OpN1SrIGA8RLIF
In the video description you can find a link to download the Tone Generator program to do it yourself. It should be of help
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Sagittarius - 02-13-2012
(02-13-2012, 06:22 AM)Wander Wrote: I saw limegreen before too. There might have been slight tones in there now as well, but it was really hard to distinguish. Liet wrote a chart of frequencies for the various energy centers, and found 2 interesting frequencies that worked very good together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF-D0fdwq5s&context=C3aa5fb9ADOEgsToPDskJUE6o2S3OpN1SrIGA8RLIF
In the video description you can find a link to download the Tone Generator program to do it yourself. It should be of help
Thanks bro will have a play around with it now.
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Monica - 02-13-2012
(02-13-2012, 03:02 AM)Ankh Wrote: I understand what you are saying. Here is the difference in my understanding: each mind/body/spirit complex. You don't see "the seeking of further delineations beyond Wanderer as being productive", as Austin was trying to say that the identification with being a Wanderer was not productive.
You are drawing a parallel. Yes, I got that. And I was drawing a contrast. Both parallel and contrast are valid.
(02-13-2012, 03:02 AM)Ankh Wrote: And you told him that Ra did mention Wanderers. Well, they also mentioned densities and each densities specifics and different lessons. And I am trying to say that if it is there, then it is there. Of course it can be a separating thing, as resonating with being a Wanderer can also act as such a thing; *perhaps* not on this forum, but in for instance daily interactions with other selves.
My opinion is that most people who resonate with the Law of One are probably Wanderers, whether they realize it or not. This is, essentially, a community of Wanderers. Those who aren't sure if they are Wanderers might benefit by realizing that they are indeed Wanderers, rather than feeling 'left out' or inferior. It's part of the awakening process.
Yes, Ra did mention densities as well. I'm just saying that, we already have one potentially separating issue here: the subject of Wanderers. Why add to it? What is there to be gained by adding to it?
The subject of Wanderers is already out there and there's no getting it contained. But there is a lot of potential benefit, as those who felt alienated all their lives finally find acceptance in our community.
Thus, the benefits far exceed the potential drawbacks. Even for those who don't think they're Wanderers, benefits await them as they awaken to the likelihood that they are.
In contrast, where are the benefits to saying which density we're from? If one feels strongly that they were from x density, why is there a need to publicize it? Is there a feeling of alienation, as in the case of being a Wanderer? No. Is there a feeling of relief, being in the company of others from x density? Perhaps. But is that worth the potential effects such a discussion might have on those who are 'only' from, say, 4D?
(02-13-2012, 03:02 AM)Ankh Wrote: If this catalyst of superiority/inferiority which you talk about is not processed, or worked with, then you don't even need to resonate with being a Wanderer, as there will be many other situations pointing you into this lesson. Each will learn the Law of One, of unity, in its own unique way.
By 'you' are you speaking in generalities, or are you referring to me specifically?
RE: if you self identify as a Wanderer, what density do you think you come from? - Ankh - 02-13-2012
(02-13-2012, 09:49 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: In contrast, where are the benefits to saying which density we're from? If one feels strongly that they were from x density, why is there a need to publicize it? Is there a feeling of alienation, as in the case of being a Wanderer? No. Is there a feeling of relief, being in the company of others from x density? Perhaps. But is that worth the potential effects such a discussion might have on those who are 'only' from, say, 4D?
I have no idea about the need to publicize it, except it being a mean of seeking. I did not participate in this thread though in that kind of sense, except when you asked an honestly curious question, I attempted to answer from my own, personal perspective. I think that superiority/inferiority issue is a biggy in seeking unity, or Law of One, especially in this density where work in consciousness is done and refining/making *the* choice*. So I do not react when people resonating with x density discussing that. You seem to do, based on the concerns you pointed out in your posts. But by saying "why there is a need to publicize it", can be perceived by people, who are seeking, and trying to understand something by these discussions, to keep their opinions for themselves, which is, in imo, not helpful on the path of seeking.
I was speaking in generalities, and not you personally. Sorry for not being clear.