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RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Parsons - 02-16-2012
A quote from one of zenmaster's links, which resonates with me, and is reinforcement for the reason I am NOT afraid and also why I havent turned into a survival nut:
Latwii Wrote:We realize that many of you are wondering whether this area is a good one for ultimate survival. We must say to you that, although this area is relatively good, there is no area which is totally safe, because most of your future lines contain the certainty of a polar shift, making it highly probable that, within your lifetime, the polarity of the planet will alter. There will not be a safe place at that moment of time. Thus, enjoy yourselves. Do what you can, for yourselves and others, but we do not urge you to go heavy on the freeze-dried foods, as this instrument would say, but rather look to service to others, for what you need will be provided if your heart is full of the Creator.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Gribbons - 02-18-2012
(02-16-2012, 10:37 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: A quote from one of zenmaster's links, which resonates with me, and is reinforcement for the reason I am NOT afraid and also why I havent turned into a survival nut:
Latwii Wrote:We realize that many of you are wondering whether this area is a good one for ultimate survival. We must say to you that, although this area is relatively good, there is no area which is totally safe, because most of your future lines contain the certainty of a polar shift, making it highly probable that, within your lifetime, the polarity of the planet will alter. There will not be a safe place at that moment of time. Thus, enjoy yourselves. Do what you can, for yourselves and others, but we do not urge you to go heavy on the freeze-dried foods, as this instrument would say, but rather look to service to others, for what you need will be provided if your heart is full of the Creator.
It kinda sucks to think that we're precious and valued enough in our life here that they would prevent nuclear explosions, but not provide any safeguards for the survival of our species come the "heavily-favored" pole-shift. I mean, I understand what Latwii is saying, and I can be at peace with if you live, you live, if you die, you die. You're eternal anyway.. but, well, it's my duty and desire to protect the ones I love. This probably quasi, or semi, or possibly fully cataclysmic future just doesn't seem very loving to me, if we're consciousness and our lives treasured.
But perhaps it won't be all bad. We'll probably get just the right path we need on their metaphysical probability sheet. Hopefully anyway.
I think I'm gonna start meditating on the health of the earth and send out my love and light to help our Great Mother out with her birthing pains.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Ecz - 02-19-2012
(02-18-2012, 02:32 AM)Gribbons Wrote: It kinda sucks to think that we're precious and valued enough in our life here that they would prevent nuclear explosions, but not provide any safeguards for the survival of our species come the "heavily-favored" pole-shift.
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the only intervention in the way of nuclear explosions was the prevention of the obliteration of mind/body/spirit complex. Preventing an actual explosion would infringe on free will.
Perhaps focusing your desire to protect loved ones by providing safeguards against fear, knowledge perhaps being an example of this, or something along those lines would be an endeavor less futile than surviving cataclysm. Circumstances are what they are, this doesn't mean we aren't valued - remember we chose this and the parameters within which higher entities act were constructed with more wisdom than our desires might wish them to be.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - hogey11 - 02-19-2012
I would also warn against taking Ra too literally at times as well. They do not explain exactly how dangerous or what type of danger you might experience; you will receive what you ask for in your interpretation.
For myself, I haven't become a survival nut because I realized very quickly that I value humans far more than I valued supplies. I would start to buy some stuff but then I realized I wouldn't be happy unless I had enough for my own family, my brothers/parents, my wife's family, good friends, etc. I'd be clearing out the store!
I realized that if s*** ever hits the fan, we will band together and get it figured out. That's what we do best; we've shown ourselves to be pretty terrible at trying to set up any sort of sustainable solutions. Therefore, we fall at times, and then we get back up.
Some weather blogs are claiming a pole shift has already happened; apparently the weather patterns are acting as if the arctic circle is actually in Siberia right now. They say this would help explain the warmer winter we're have too as the equator line would move north and everyone would receive weather usually reserved for a few degrees of latitude south from where they are...
So who knows?!? maybe we've already passed this "unsafe" time that was spoken of. Maybe it's just around the corner. All I know is that we'll be alright; there is far more at work than just a bunch of us knuckleheads, imo
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Aureus - 02-20-2012
hogey11, I feel you!
I find it quite difficult balancing this spiritual nut-life with the materialist-consumer-life. It's like I'm standing on the other side already, waiting for people to come around. I don't think it's worth worrying about an education right now, I have money to sustain me this year. I'm waiting for the Sh*t to get real ^^
It feels kind of pointless to talk about pole shifts, disclosure, ascension, harvest to the people close to me -until it really starts happening. (Which it is starting to do now)
I guess we can just be radiators of Love and not take everything so seriously, and someday we may return to the higher realms.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Oceania - 02-20-2012
i'm getting pet food, toilet paper, soap and water when i can. cuz i am NOT going without soap and water anyways. and i'm not gonna make my pet suffer for my pride. i don't fear the shortage but in case it happens i will at least want to have stuff for my kitty and so that everything doesn't get poopy. and i will have stuff for neighbour kitties too. i'll also try to have enough food for neighbours so there's time to grow stuff.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Gribbons - 02-20-2012
Quote: Negativity is a very viable alternative to the people on Earth and it is not denied by the infinite Creator to His children, the choice is theirs. The only thing that is denied at this time, by us, is the murdering of souls on the inner planes by nuclear devices.
We are aware of the possibility of nuclear war and have no intention of stopping it, for that is not our right. However, your peoples do not understand that the emanations from such devices penetrate into the finer densities of existence in your sphere and can disrupt vibratory patterns and personalities so that they must revert back to the very beginning of the cycle of existence. This is not understood by your people. Therefore, it is not against their free will if we do not allow this to happen. Therefore, we are able to prevent it.
Like Ra, Qu'o says they will deny any attempts to use nuclear devices to murder souls. Does that just mean the souls themselves and not the bodies? Cause that would explain Q'uo saying we "have no intention on stopping [nuclear war]," but I agree, we have no knowledge on how nuclear explosions affect time/space and thus they're allowed to prevent explosions from killing people..
I sincerely hope they do this. I've read a story about nuclear devices or plants being disabled before usage. It was somewhat recent, like last year recent.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Oceania - 02-20-2012
who made the judgement a shortage is negative? i see it as a sign that things are changing to better.
i'm glad if they don't allow murder of souls, but maybe they're talking aboutthat awful feeling that they get when their souls have been wiped out and Qu'o makes them stay together.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - hogey11 - 02-22-2012
Wander, that is exactly why I feel you have to be careful with Ra's language. They love to poke us with language that pulls a 3D response from us and then wait around for us to apply 4D thoughts to the same phrase. When we remove ourselves from this illusion, RA's teaching usually hold a far different meaning in non-human but spiritual terms instead.
I agree with the 'waiting' aspect as well; All we can do is be on our toes and channel the light through our everyday lives. I, too, believe the changes are starting to manifest themselves in the mainstream, but until the shoe has officially dropped, I only worry about today.
I've spoken at least once to most people I care about, but like you I feel more and more that it is pointless until I have something to truly stand upon. It's a tricky dance because bringing things up in the wrong way can strengthen the lower vibrations if they are not willing to hear the hopeful message within. I liked the pole shift story because if true, us Canadians will be getting FAR better weather! I figure that's worth talking about regardless of sensitivities
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - zenmaster - 02-22-2012
(02-22-2012, 06:47 PM)hogey11 Wrote: you have to be careful with Ra's language. They love to poke us with language that pulls a 3D response from us and then wait around for us to apply 4D thoughts to the same phrase. When we remove ourselves from this illusion, Ra's teaching usually hold a far different meaning in non-human but spiritual terms instead.What do you mean 'apply 4D thoughts'? Are you serious or just musing with BS?
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - hogey11 - 02-23-2012
I guess I mean it in terms of thinking within the veil or beyond it.
For example, 'death' is a very different concept in 4D as opposed to 3D, due to the veil. Often I have found Ra's musing on death to be alarming if taken from an 'earthly' perspective. To Ra it often seems death is just the leaving of the physical body by the spirit, while to my human brain it is the end of my being. Does that make it clearer?
I suppose I should have just said "higher density thoughts" instead of pigeonholing 4D. My bad.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Bring4th_Austin - 02-23-2012
(02-16-2012, 06:25 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(02-16-2012, 05:58 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Or are you privy to clandestine knowledge regarding a possible cataclysm related to that date which you choose not to share because it may be interpreted negatively by others?It sort of misses the point to delve into upheaval on a specific date, unless you are prepared to be honest about it.
Ra plainly said:
Quote:59.24 Questioner: When the planetary axis realigns, will it realign 20° east of north to conform to the green vibration?Which seems to clearly indicate a physical, planetary axis shift (with respect to plane of solar orbit).
Ra: I am Ra. We fear this shall be the last question as this entity rapidly increases its distortion towards what you call pain of the body complex.
There is every indication that this will occur. We cannot speak of certainties but are aware that the grosser or less dense materials will be pulled into conformation with the denser and lighter energies which give your Logos its proceedings through the realms of experience.
May we answer any brief queries at this time?
I seem to remember Ra saying something along the lines of this shift causing the Earth's crust to tear as well, but I cannot find the quote.
On the topic of being honest, what causes dissonance in me (i.e. what might cause me to be dishonest about the topic) regarding a global cataclysm is not the idea of death, but the idea of suffering. Physical suffering, suffering through hardship, witnessing the ones I care about suffer...I don't fear death, but the idea of dying in any sort of painful or traumatic way scares me. And I'd imagine a pole shift would seem very violent and traumatic.
Also, the thought of giving up luxuries which we have gained through society scares me a bit.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Aureus - 02-23-2012
(02-22-2012, 06:47 PM)hogey11 Wrote: Wander, that is exactly why I feel you have to be careful with Ra's language. They love to poke us with language that pulls a 3D response from us and then wait around for us to apply 4D thoughts to the same phrase. When we remove ourselves from this illusion, Ra's teaching usually hold a far different meaning in non-human but spiritual terms instead.
I agree with the 'waiting' aspect as well; All we can do is be on our toes and channel the light through our everyday lives. I, too, believe the changes are starting to manifest themselves in the mainstream, but until the shoe has officially dropped, I only worry about today.
I've spoken at least once to most people I care about, but like you I feel more and more that it is pointless until I have something to truly stand upon. It's a tricky dance because bringing things up in the wrong way can strengthen the lower vibrations if they are not willing to hear the hopeful message within. I liked the pole shift story because if true, us Canadians will be getting FAR better weather! I figure that's worth talking about regardless of sensitivities
Yeah, there is a post on ashtarcommandcrew about all the bank resignations : http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/new-bank-resignation-list
It has indeed started, keep up the good fight my brother!
Yeah I live in Sweden currently :p
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Sagittarius - 02-23-2012
I refuse to give up my beaches, warm weather and koalas.
(02-16-2012, 10:37 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: A quote from one of zenmaster's links, which resonates with me, and is reinforcement for the reason I am NOT afraid and also why I havent turned into a survival nut:
Latwii Wrote:We realize that many of you are wondering whether this area is a good one for ultimate survival. We must say to you that, although this area is relatively good, there is no area which is totally safe, because most of your future lines contain the certainty of a polar shift, making it highly probable that, within your lifetime, the polarity of the planet will alter. There will not be a safe place at that moment of time. Thus, enjoy yourselves. Do what you can, for yourselves and others, but we do not urge you to go heavy on the freeze-dried foods, as this instrument would say, but rather look to service to others, for what you need will be provided if your heart is full of the Creator.
Wow strong synchronization, just randomly felt like listening to Incubus and downloaded that album that is in your display pic.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - zenmaster - 02-23-2012
(02-23-2012, 04:20 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I seem to remember Ra saying something along the lines of this shift causing the Earth's crust to tear as well, but I cannot find the quote.
Quote:This is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy patterns within your Earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. This will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. This is the planetary adjustment.
Apparently the precursor, rupturing aspect has been greatly alleviated (i.e. due to efforts of wanderers), at least when compared to the prognostications of the new-agers over the past 30 years. Interestingly, that is what Ra refers to as the 'inconveniences'. Whereas the 'shift' would seem to make those inconveniences extremely insignificant.
(02-23-2012, 04:20 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: On the topic of being honest, what causes dissonance in me (i.e. what might cause me to be dishonest about the topic) regarding a global cataclysm is not the idea of death, but the idea of suffering. Physical suffering, suffering through hardship, witnessing the ones I care about suffer...I don't fear death, but the idea of dying in any sort of painful or traumatic way scares me. And I'd imagine a pole shift would seem very violent and traumatic.The speed of the axial tilt would seem to have a bearing on most of the resulting trauma. We don't really know how fast it can happen.
(02-23-2012, 04:20 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Also, the thought of giving up luxuries which we have gained through society scares me a bit.I would think society would actually become more effective or efficient at catering to needs, and actual needs at that, once the relative transparency of mind reveals more of what is possible.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Bring4th_Austin - 02-23-2012
(02-23-2012, 10:26 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(02-23-2012, 04:20 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Also, the thought of giving up luxuries which we have gained through society scares me a bit.I would think society would actually become more effective or efficient at catering to needs, and actual needs at that, once the relative transparency of mind reveals more of what is possible.
Are you suggesting the possibility of this coinciding with the supposed axis shift? I would agree that as transparency of mind manifests society would become more supportive, but I always figured it would be a more gradual realization.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - native - 02-23-2012
I would actually think transparency would be the thing to fear the most, that is if it were to happen tomorrow. People would become psychotic and have mental break-downs, as their reality melts into some kind of interactive dreamscape in front of their eyes. It is however doable over several hundred years as humanity evolves and comes into balance through acceptance. For me, the idea of transparency only lends support to the idea of a gradual process.
"The fourth-density is one of revealed information. Selves are not hidden to self or other-selves. The imbalances or distortions which are of a destructive nature show, therefore, in more obvious ways, the vehicle of the mind/body/spirit complex thus acting as a teaching resource for self revelation. These illnesses such as cancer are correspondingly very amenable to self-healing once the mechanism of the destructive influence has been grasped by the individual."
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - hogey11 - 02-23-2012
I agree with zen on his point. In practical terms, think of it as all of our 'bills' or responsibilities as they are held now. We have to pay our taxes/insurance for property and vehicles, we need to buy food from stores, we need to pay for communication, and we're addicted to all of these mindless time-and-money-sinks.
If we saw a restructuring of society, even through disaster (which I think has already passed personally), we could see the elimination of more than a few of these structures as personal responsibilities as they instead get absorbed into the newer technologies and group concepts explored in the pre-game to 4D existence. A breakdown in current government/financial structure would eliminate the tax/insurance aspect. A return to proper stewardship over the earth would push us towards producing more food and sustainable farming/ecology solutions. Same thing with energy and the environment; restarting with renewable and environment-friendly technologies would be the ideal solution even at this point in time!
Additionally, the pole shift could end up with very positive consequences. As the ice caps melt, ocean levels rise which would normally be a big problem. However, that really means we're only one good desalinization technology from providing the dry places on earth with the water they so desperately need. If we are willing to work through the coming years as if it were catalyst, we should come out of this much better than before.
My dream is that we'll embrace a more ancient lifestyle that is punctuated by amazing technologies. The best of both worlds. What can I say? I'm a dreamer
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - BlatzAdict - 02-23-2012
i dunno what about jesus, didn't he ascend, but yea he died and then came back.. i am still set on our bodies transforming, whats the point of all those ufo crop circles showing the double helix to triple helix dna systems?
i keep reading that our bodies go from carbon to crystalline based in all these other texts since reading Law of One.
not that it was said in the Law of One, it wasn't, it was said in umm some book i read about sirens, and it's also in the book i read about plieadians.. etc etc
i don't know what to believe anymore, but i still feel my intuition rising.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Gribbons - 02-23-2012
What Spirit Science has to say about pole shifts!
From 2:40 on
Also,
Part 4 .... Just watch them all if you haven't already
The passing through the void theory resonates with me. It would be the time for global change to occur, but also, without many of us noticing. It may be the time when the 2 time-lines are formed that correspond with ascension according to willingness or adaptation into the new light of higher consciousness.
It seems to me global changes will occur with a pole shift, but nothing completely cataclysmic. As Thoth said, he observed the sun rising from the east and then from the west 5 times. Pole shifts have been happening every 13000 years. It just seems improbable to me that an entire species would be destroyed.
If that were the case, how could any evolving species, on any planet, survive, if they had to grow, at one point or another, from 3D consciousness to 4D and above?
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - zenmaster - 02-23-2012
(02-23-2012, 11:13 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote:The axis shift could correspond to Ra's 'quantum leap', where presumably the influx of 'green energy' is uninhibited. I say that because it was said that the planet requires an adjustment to become appropriately magnetized for fourth density, and that adjustment is made by the time of that axis shift.(02-23-2012, 10:26 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(02-23-2012, 04:20 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Also, the thought of giving up luxuries which we have gained through society scares me a bit.I would think society would actually become more effective or efficient at catering to needs, and actual needs at that, once the relative transparency of mind reveals more of what is possible.
Are you suggesting the possibility of this coinciding with the supposed axis shift?
"the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level."
(02-23-2012, 04:20 AM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I would agree that as transparency of mind manifests society would become more supportive, but I always figured it would be a more gradual realization.The gradual aspect is the individual's bodily evolution, and possibly the so-called 'full activation'. As Ra says, the green-ray energy is introduced to the planet and individuals alike in a very similar manner.
"Thus, the process begins. Love creating light, becoming love/light, streams into the planetary sphere according to the electromagnetic web of points or nexi of entrance. These streamings are then available to the individual who, like the planet, is a web of electromagnetic energy fields with points or nexi of entrance."
"It is correct that there is a correlation between the energy field of an entity of your nature and planetary bodies, for all material is constructed by means of the dynamic tension of the magnetic field. The lines of force in both cases may be seen to be much like the interweaving spirals of the braided hair. Thus positive and negative wind and interweave forming geometric relationships in the energy fields of both persons, as you would call a mind/body/spirit complex, and planets."
So basically, it would seem that green energy, externally provided (in the environment), would facilitate what work is already being done at the green level of one's acceptance. Green transcends and includes the 'ego' or the personal unconscious vs social dynamic, once there is sufficient balancing work done by the individual. If the lower centers are blocked, there will be discomfort, due to the constant, supporting pull towards green within the individual.
But there should also be a good bit of catalyst and more self-reflection available, comparatively speaking, because the benchmark or 'ground-state' has changed from social-unconscious (yellow) to social-conscious (green).
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Parsons - 02-23-2012
Thank you so much for the "spirit science" link, Gribbons, it opened up another floodgate of information for me.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - zenmaster - 02-23-2012
(02-23-2012, 12:02 PM)Icaro Wrote: I would actually think transparency would be the thing to fear the most, that is if it were to happen tomorrow. People would become psychotic and have mental break-downs, as their reality melts into some kind of interactive dreamscape in front of their eyes.News alert, psychosis is already happening - look at the pharmaceutical industry and the every increasing cultural acceptance of neurosis. Also, half the homeless are homeless due to mental disorders.
You're not going to become psychotic if there is some degree of balance to start with. Instead, the imbalance will be highlighted and self incongruency will be made more evident. What would happen is you'd feel 'off' and dissatisfaction would increase. At the same time, the thought process is actually facilitated by the background suggestion of greater balance offered by that green energy.
(02-23-2012, 12:02 PM)Icaro Wrote: It is however doable over several hundred years as humanity evolves and comes into balance through acceptance.That evolution is physical. Remember, the body follows the mind. Ra says there is a gradual 'up-grading of vibratory levels' (which corresponds to evolution of the mind), but the beginning of 4th density locally, space/time, would seem to correspond to that quantum leap which would seem to correspond to the 'shift' which is said to most likely occur around this time. Both Latwii and Ra were quite confident on that matter.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - native - 02-24-2012
In a person with balance there will be an advantage, but I'm not sure that it will be a walk in the park. We have no way of telling exactly how the transition will bear on the mind of the individual, as it is a reality we're not privy to. I was just highlighting that it would be difficult for the majority to make sense of what was happening if changes in how the mind functions happens in a short period of time.
If the alignment is happening now, I'm not sure how great of a difference a few months can make when it is complete. So I don't know if I can foresee a quantum leap in perception being reasonable, but rather that we're simply at the beginning of a process of revelation. I say this because I assume the transition will encompass aspects similar to psychic attack, which can be difficult even to one who has a high degree of balance.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - zenmaster - 02-24-2012
(02-24-2012, 12:56 PM)Icaro Wrote: So I don't know if I can foresee a quantum leap in perception being reasonable, but rather that we're simply at the beginning of a process of revelation.If there is a quantum leap in energy influx of that type, there will necessarily be a quantum leap in perception. And that quantum leap appears indeed to be a sudden thing. The nature of that perception will change, and become more effective, as part of normal evolution through the subdensities.
(02-24-2012, 12:56 PM)Icaro Wrote: I say this because I assume the transition will encompass aspects similar to psychic attack, which can be difficult even to one who has a high degree of balance.Except the transition is completely indiscriminate with respect to biases, whereas the psychic attack intentionally attempts to discourage, change polarization, confuse, kill, etc.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - native - 02-25-2012
(02-24-2012, 09:23 PM)zenmaster Wrote: If there is a quantum leap in energy influx of that type, there will necessarily be a quantum leap in perception. And that quantum leap appears indeed to be a sudden thing. The nature of that perception will change, and become more effective, as part of normal evolution through the subdensities.
Can't say that I'm able to give a definitive opinion. Ra only said the influx would come to completion at this time. If influx has anything to do with an increase in perception, as the influx increases, we should experience corresponding radical changes but we're not. Unless the perceptual changes would only be available to those in double-bodies.
I've read the statement about quantum change in core-rotation occurring over a short period of time, and then the gradual upgrading, but I'm not sure how that will be experienced. I'm more inclined to believe the mind and body transformation occurs at a similar pace.
Quote:Except the transition is completely indiscriminate with respect to biases, whereas the psychic attack intentionally attempts to discourage, change polarization, confuse, kill, etc.
Why would it have nothing to do with bias though? If minds must harmonize, and the self is no longer hidden, that necessitates that everyone's baggage be expressed to an extent and accepted by those capable of entering into 4d. Bias is simply judgment, and it's not possible to carry certain judgments into a reality where love is universal.
Those capable of being harvested will have already smoothed out a lot of bias though. I guess where it's confusing is how the shift will be perceived by native 3d vs. those in double-bodies.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - zenmaster - 02-25-2012
(02-25-2012, 01:05 AM)Icaro Wrote:My perception is coming from the standpoint of working with the various 'vibrations' of self and the resulting level of consciousness at that particular level. I'm sure you agree that the core vibration is a background state which affects your consciousness. It's how we interface to the collective - it supports the concept or principle of 'mind' here. Well, now that changes to the next step up, which I'm sure you've also experienced. It is a different level of consciousness that we don't tend to associate with 'support', but that's what it does in the background. If you don't 'revert to orange', yellow becomes more conscious (since it is subsumed), and now green (instead of yellow) tends to be subconcious.(02-24-2012, 09:23 PM)zenmaster Wrote: If there is a quantum leap in energy influx of that type, there will necessarily be a quantum leap in perception. And that quantum leap appears indeed to be a sudden thing. The nature of that perception will change, and become more effective, as part of normal evolution through the subdensities.
Can't say that I'm able to give a definitive opinion. Ra only said the influx would come to completion at this time. If influx has anything to do with an increase in perception, as the influx increases, we should experience corresponding radical changes but we're not. Unless the perceptual changes would only be available to those in double-bodies.
(02-25-2012, 01:05 AM)Icaro Wrote: I've read the statement about quantum change in core-rotation occurring over a short period of time, and then the gradual upgrading, but I'm not sure how that will be experienced. I'm more inclined to believe the mind and body transformation occurs at a similar pace.The question is what is made available at that quantum shift. I tend to go with the gradual approach as well, but there does indeed seem to be a sudden aspect to the shift which, being at that non-physical level, would correspond to a change in consciousness. That is according to the Latwii, and other sessions.
(02-25-2012, 01:05 AM)Icaro Wrote:It necessarily has everything to do with bias, it's just not going to pull towards some negative template and exploit what is unconscious by being 'clever'.Quote:Except the transition is completely indiscriminate with respect to biases, whereas the psychic attack intentionally attempts to discourage, change polarization, confuse, kill, etc.Why would it have nothing to do with bias though?
(02-25-2012, 01:05 AM)Icaro Wrote: If minds must harmonize, and the self is no longer hidden, that necessitates that everyone's baggage be expressed to an extent and accepted by those capable of entering into 4d.In my understanding, the condition of self not being hidden is ages before minds harmonizing. That is because there is a necessity for people to understand self before acceptance necessary to harmonize. There's quite a difference between congruence and cooperation, and using 'the same mind' with 'same focus'.
(02-25-2012, 01:05 AM)Icaro Wrote: Bias is simply judgment, and it's not possible to carry certain judgments into a reality where love is universal.Bias is judgment, but it's also your uniqueness, your manifestation of that 'one thing'. You balance that bias at each level and the transcended distortions are removed, but what is you remains. What can't be carried higher are those distortions which anchor to the lower lessons, begging for the two-by-four.
(02-25-2012, 01:05 AM)Icaro Wrote: Those capable of being harvested will have already smoothed out a lot of bias though.Yes, it's a natural step and will probably seem obviously appropriate regardless of the stark contrast in paradigms.
(02-25-2012, 01:05 AM)Icaro Wrote: I guess where it's confusing is how the shift will be perceived by native 3d vs. those in double-bodies.The double bodied also have a particular genetic connection to a 4D mind, so quite a difference in potential mental capacity from the wanderer, native, or transplant who will still be 3D.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - Bring4th_Austin - 02-25-2012
(02-25-2012, 03:11 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The double bodied also have a particular genetic connection to a 4D mind, so quite a difference in potential mental capacity from the wanderer, native, or transplant who will still be 3D.
Do you care to speculate on how a double bodied individual would experience this connection? What might the advantages or signs be of having the genetic connection to a 4D mind?
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - native - 02-25-2012
(02-25-2012, 03:11 AM)zenmaster Wrote: My perception is coming from the standpoint of working with the various 'vibrations' of self and the resulting level of consciousness at that particular level. I'm sure you agree that the core vibration is a background state which affects your consciousness. It's how we interface to the collective - it supports the concept or principle of 'mind' here. Well, now that changes to the next step up, which I'm sure you've also experienced. It is a different level of consciousness that we don't tend to associate with 'support', but that's what it does in the background. If you don't 'revert to orange', yellow becomes more conscious (since it is subsumed), and now green (instead of yellow) tends to be subconcious.
When I hear the words quantum shift, I associate that with great leaps and bounds in mental functioning (transcendental experiences, telepathy, paranormal ability), which is what I thought you were supporting. I don't think we disagree on much, only on what sudden entails if there is such a change. I think the foundation or support is already there, but that we are being pulled along, required to make decisions. So the task is to simply make use of and manifest the available energy. It seems we are at a turning point where particular needs have to be addressed, and an individual either supports a more cooperative future, or reverts.
Quote:It necessarily has everything to do with bias..
That's what I was trying to highlight. I misinterpreted your use of the word indiscriminate, and that you were of the assumption that greater harmonization would coincide with the shift. I agree that there are many many layers of understanding to be worked out before a unified mind develops.
RE: Death & 2012: Opening The Gateway to Ascension - βαθμιαίος - 02-25-2012
Re: the word "bias": it can imply judgment, but it can also be more fundamental. Ra often uses it to mean orientation, as in the dictionary definition, "an oblique or diagonal line of direction, especially across a woven fabric."
We can have a bias towards service to others or a bias towards service to self, as well as having other, more transient biases.
In the sense of orientation, bias is necessary for fourth-density work.