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RE: Science of Ascension - 3DMonkey - 08-10-2011
@Kiko. Stated much better than I can seem to manage
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This Mind we all share continues to come full circle is every expression we put forth.
RE: Science of Ascension - Kiko - 08-10-2011
(08-10-2011, 01:05 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: @Kiko. Stated much better than I can seem to manage
Nooo.. just managed to sound ok to you right now. You do a good job of sounding ok to me too, and I am always grateful to glimpse other facets of the diamond.
RE: Science of Ascension - zenmaster - 08-10-2011
(08-10-2011, 12:16 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: INo, the analogy is not appropriate. To be clear, polarization has nothing to do with skill or technique, or any kind of particular practice. It's merely the use of the will towards what you desire to have unfold, where that desire is consonant with the plan of the logos. Here, the closest word to that non-circumstantial condition is 'love'.(08-09-2011, 10:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-09-2011, 05:35 PM)Oceania Wrote: if you can be so stifled by the veil that you become powerless, that's not true.It's laziness that stifles and leads to powerlessness. The veil is there is provide more compelling catalyst, which promotes polarization if one bothers to smell the coffee.
I don't believe this is true. It would be like saying the only thing preventing me from entering PGA Tour is practice. Simply not true. We ate not created equal and that goes for the veil, chakra activation, etc.
RE: Science of Ascension - 3DMonkey - 08-10-2011
(08-10-2011, 08:39 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-10-2011, 12:16 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: INo, the analogy is not appropriate. To be clear, polarization has nothing to do with skill or technique, or any kind of particular practice. It's merely the use of the will towards what you desire to have unfold, where that desire is consonant with the plan of the logos. Here, the closest word to that non-circumstantial condition is 'love'.(08-09-2011, 10:29 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-09-2011, 05:35 PM)Oceania Wrote: if you can be so stifled by the veil that you become powerless, that's not true.It's laziness that stifles and leads to powerlessness. The veil is there is provide more compelling catalyst, which promotes polarization if one bothers to smell the coffee.
I don't believe this is true. It would be like saying the only thing preventing me from entering PGA Tour is practice. Simply not true. We ate not created equal and that goes for the veil, chakra activation, etc.
Perhaps I misunderstood Ocean.... or one of us did...
To your point though, if it is not skill, technique, or practice, then how can laziness be a factor? I did read your first quote to imply skill, technique, and practice, so that was confusing for me.
Again, I really listen intently to what you have to say, zenmaster, but we do seem to have a difference on one point (I can't find a label for that point..) and my view is that nothing has to be done with the knowledge that you display (well, I might add). I think that it comes right back around, full circle, to just being the same way you were before you were 'aware.'
RE: Science of Ascension - zenmaster - 08-10-2011
(08-10-2011, 12:50 PM)Kiko Wrote:I don't look at it as a 'race' either, not sure how it was construed that way. I thought must wanderers picked that up, along with other aspects of identification with the illusion, attachment, separation, evaluation. We are given as long as we want, to do whatever we want or go to sleep. And we can spit on the graciousness of the creator too, that is our choice.(08-10-2011, 12:16 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I don't believe this is true. It would be like saying the only thing preventing me from entering PGA Tour is practice. Simply not true. We are not created equal and that goes for the veil, chakra activation, etc.
While most in the forums appear to like saying that all is illusion (and I would agree inasmuch as I can express myself properly) it seems to me that powerlessness, laziness (is there such a thing?) and equality are all illusion too.
If we think that we are any of these things, then surely we can only think that outside oneness? So in time, for example as spread across millennia, one soul may appear more advance than another, but it is just due to incarnations and learning at a certain 'pace'. Both are part of one, so in reality 'behind the scenes' neither is in front or behind.
I seem to remember reading something Ra said about no level of being actually being 'ahead' or 'behind' another. Thus, while I remember being of Ra (singularly) long ago, I am now of the UK in this time and living an ordinary life (if a life can be called that). Ra of 'now' as we perceive them are not 'ahead' of us, nor are we 'behind'.
Our ego-minds in this state of being have a penchant for seeing everything in terms of better or worse, in front or behind; in other words, separation in all things. So, just trying to see through the filter of ego-mind into an attempt at oneness should tell us that 'ascension' is nothing more than change. Not better, not worse, no prizes for hard work or 'winning the race'.
I think perhaps that the egalitarian-truth aspect of reality, encountered during one's initial learning , where ego-consciousness (in light of increasing polarization) is more and more contextualized, might compel one to zealotry or over-emphasis of some discovery, but the irony is that truth is necessarily part of the illusion as well.
(08-10-2011, 08:46 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: To your point though, if it is not skill, technique, or practice, then how can laziness be a factor? I did read your first quote to imply skill, technique, and practice, so that was confusing for me.It's the use of the will in general. You are given the gift of 'free-will'. You are a sub-logos.
(08-10-2011, 08:46 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Again, I really listen intently to what you have to say, zenmaster, but we do seem to have a difference on one point (I can't find a label for that point..) and my view is that nothing has to be done with the knowledge that you display (well, I might add). I think that it comes right back around, full circle, to just being the same way you were before you were 'aware.'I agree 100%. I'm not sure how you misunderstood that I was claiming that something has to be done?
RE: Science of Ascension - 3DMonkey - 08-10-2011
I can't seem to apply my will with great effect. Sure we could look at my life and say 'that's where your will is being applied. It's obvious.' .... But I take from Ocean's input that she would prefer to apply her will in an unrestricted way that we just aren't able to. I think "laziness" is not the inhibitor. I think that there are many ways that each individual experiences inhibited will power, and the source is not able to be changed.
RE: Science of Ascension - zenmaster - 08-10-2011
(08-10-2011, 09:07 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I can't seem to apply my will with great effect. Sure we could look at my life and say 'that's where your will is being applied. It's obvious.' .... But I take from Ocean's input that she would prefer to apply her will in an unrestricted way that we just aren't able to. I think "laziness" is not the inhibitor. I think that there are many ways that each individual experiences inhibited will power, and the source is not able to be changed.I guarantee you that if one actually applies their will in some manner, regardless of focus, then there would be a result and progress made. If one has their survival needs addressed, I'm not sure where the unchangeable source of inhibition would be. Assagioli did great things as a prisoner. To be clear, you don't have to do anything to polarize besides have desire and will. Everyone has a choice to go to sleep instead. However, the life-plan may eventually make the catalyst louder and louder where one must again wakeup and address that which can no longer be ignored.
RE: Science of Ascension - AnthroHeart - 08-10-2011
Good point zen about just needing desire and will to polarize. So is there any benefit in working to polarize more? Would that put one in a better position when going into 4D?
RE: Science of Ascension - 3DMonkey - 08-10-2011
(08-10-2011, 09:26 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-10-2011, 09:07 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I can't seem to apply my will with great effect. Sure we could look at my life and say 'that's where your will is being applied. It's obvious.' .... But I take from Ocean's input that she would prefer to apply her will in an unrestricted way that we just aren't able to. I think "laziness" is not the inhibitor. I think that there are many ways that each individual experiences inhibited will power, and the source is not able to be changed.I guarantee you that if one actually applies their will in some manner, regardless of focus, then there would be a result and progress made. If one has their survival needs addressed, I'm not sure where the unchangeable source of inhibition would be. Assagioli did great things as a prisoner. To be clear, you don't have to do anything to polarize besides have desire and will. Everyone has a choice to go to sleep instead. However, the life-plan may eventually make the catalyst louder and louder where one must again wakeup and address that which can no longer be ignored.
Originally, I was moving past "polarization" in my thinking.
I'm not familiar with assagioli.
I think we are applying the will all the time. That's why I say we just keep on keeping on. If I could choose to sleep, I definitely would. I don't think this is an available choice. Some of us may seek prison as a means to express the type of will we are happier to express. Some of us will break our arm to get attention from mommy.
(forum time out...)
RE: Science of Ascension - zenmaster - 08-10-2011
(08-10-2011, 09:41 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Good point zen about just needing desire and will to polarize. So is there any benefit in working to polarize more? Would that put one in a better position when going into 4D?The benefit is accepting yourself and others 'more'. For 4D, more polarization means being able to appreciate more of the higher vibrations of 4D, 'keep walking the steps of light', so to speak. As Ra says, you stop at the 4D subdensity were you, yourself, vibrate in accordance. And as Ra says, there is little work with catalyst in 4D (only some initial part of the density where SMC is formed (a million years)). 4D is an etiolated realm for catalyst. You can polarize 100 times faster here.
(08-10-2011, 09:47 PM)3DMonkey Wrote:As far as I know, Assagioli was the first individual to use the term 'Higher Self' in a holistic model which includes the current sphere of consciousness (ego). If the breaking arm to get attention from mommy results in use of the will, then that's processed catalyst. Any condition where catalyst is not ignored and honesty is applied, will result in polarization. We can compartmentalize what beckons, but that is tantamount to dishonesty and sleep.(08-10-2011, 09:26 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-10-2011, 09:07 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I can't seem to apply my will with great effect. Sure we could look at my life and say 'that's where your will is being applied. It's obvious.' .... But I take from Ocean's input that she would prefer to apply her will in an unrestricted way that we just aren't able to. I think "laziness" is not the inhibitor. I think that there are many ways that each individual experiences inhibited will power, and the source is not able to be changed.I guarantee you that if one actually applies their will in some manner, regardless of focus, then there would be a result and progress made. If one has their survival needs addressed, I'm not sure where the unchangeable source of inhibition would be. Assagioli did great things as a prisoner. To be clear, you don't have to do anything to polarize besides have desire and will. Everyone has a choice to go to sleep instead. However, the life-plan may eventually make the catalyst louder and louder where one must again wakeup and address that which can no longer be ignored.
Originally, I was moving past "polarization" in my thinking.
I'm not familiar with assagioli.
I think we are applying the will all the time. That's why I say we just keep on keeping on. If I could choose to sleep, I definitely would. I don't think this is an available choice. Some of us may seek prison as a means to express the type of will we are happier to express. Some of us will break our arm to get attention from mommy.
(forum time out...)
RE: Science of Ascension - BrownEye - 08-10-2011
(08-10-2011, 09:41 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Good point zen about just needing desire and will to polarize. So is there any benefit in working to polarize more? Would that put one in a better position when going into 4D?
I would believe a better position of harmony.
RE: Science of Ascension - AnthroHeart - 08-10-2011
So we can polarize most by following our highest calling? Or do we need to go out and do stuff?
I am most in harmony through my energy work in helping to balance the planet. I don't feel a calling to going out and volunteering, which probably would be more a service to others. Or service in a different way I guess.
Does one have to do stuff to polarize more strongly? Or is it more about keeping one's thoughts and emotions in balance, and serving as they feel a calling to do so? I don't think I could be a Mother Teresa because that doesn't really resonate for me personally.
RE: Science of Ascension - zenmaster - 08-10-2011
(08-10-2011, 11:38 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So we can polarize most by following our highest calling? Or do we need to go out and do stuff?The whole 'plan' for the best chance at polarizing was devised ahead of time, and following the 'highest calling' is the best way to get on that path. It's built in. You become more comfortable and happy, and things are more meaningful and alive following that path. There is more and more catalyst that is of the conscious variety - like synchronicity, for example.
(08-10-2011, 11:38 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I am most in harmony through my energy work in helping to balance the planet. I don't feel a calling to going out and volunteering, which probably would be more a service to others. Or service in a different way I guess.It's a very simple thing to find honesty and discover what is most compelling.
(08-10-2011, 11:38 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Does one have to do stuff to polarize more strongly? Or is it more about keeping one's thoughts and emotions in balance, and serving as they feel a calling to do so? I don't think I could be a Mother Teresa because that doesn't really resonate for me personally.Recognizing and working with the continual catalyst is how to polarize more strongly. Imbalance is inevitable, but that imbalanced condition also causes further catalyst towards balance. As far as catalyst goes, the abstract 'idea' of something is sort of secondary compared to your actual feelings related to your present condition. You will always find your bearings and balance by listening to the constant feedback provided.
RE: Science of Ascension - 3DMonkey - 08-11-2011
(08-10-2011, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Recognizing and working with the continual catalyst is how to polarize more strongly. Imbalance is inevitable, but that imbalanced condition also causes further catalyst towards balance. As far as catalyst goes, the abstract 'idea' of something is sort of secondary compared to your actual feelings related to your present condition. You will always find your bearings and balance by listening to the constant feedback provided.
I see this as the foundation of "living in the moment" and "there is only now, the present"