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RE: A Resignation? - Ankh - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 07:38 AM)unity100 Wrote: accepting what someone else says without weighing it first and asking for proof is NOT love.
And Ra material offers no proof. Channelings (in whatever form) without proof is the meaning of these transmissions or offered information. So, when it comes down to the core of it all, it is still a belief, my brother. Weigh and ask for possible proof can also be done with love or compassion. You don't have to accept what anyone says as your own, personal "truth", but to accept and acknowledge that it is so for that other self. Blending your understandings/distortions/beliefs with some one elses with compassion, is not equal with accepting them as yours, but accepting them as theirs.
RE: A Resignation? - unity100 - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 08:39 AM)Ankh Wrote:(06-14-2011, 07:38 AM)unity100 Wrote: accepting what someone else says without weighing it first and asking for proof is NOT love.
And Ra material offers no proof. Channelings (in whatever form) without proof is the meaning of these transmissions or offered information. So, when it comes down to the core of it all, it is still a belief, my brother. Weigh and ask for possible proof can also be done with love or compassion. You don't have to accept what anyone says as your own, personal "truth", but to accept and acknowledge that it is so for that other self. Blending your understandings/distortions/beliefs with some one elses with compassion, is not equal with accepting them as yours, but accepting them as theirs.
so then basically, we should just take what anyone says and dont ask a question because it will be 'rude' or 'not loving', and an act of ego.. and this will be all 'loving'.
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ok then. here i go first : i come from 4 octaves above and everything you know had been wrong.
but dont ask me how and why, dont ask me proof.
RE: A Resignation? - Namaste - 06-14-2011
Quote:ok then. here i go first : i come from 4 octaves above and everything you know had been wrong.
but dont ask me how and why, dont ask me proof
I would simply accept that as your truth. I've reached the stage in which I have no impulse to dissect and compare another's truth with my own. It doesn't match my truth, but, thats exactly the point. It's my truth, not yours. Your truth is personal to you, and I will honour that.
RE: A Resignation? - unity100 - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 09:35 AM)Namaste Wrote:Quote:ok then. here i go first : i come from 4 octaves above and everything you know had been wrong.
but dont ask me how and why, dont ask me proof
I would simply accept that as your truth. I've reached the stage in which I have no impulse to dissect and compare another's truth with my own. It doesn't match my truth, but, thats exactly the point. It's my truth, not yours. Your truth is personal to you, and I will honour that.
ok, then i keep going.
what you are thinking is wrong. schmaba-dubababa creates what you say as truth with his own hands, and then assembles it in a local assembly line in near-orbit.
you are thinking you are accepting someone else's truth as his/her own truth, but, in fact, you are not. its schmababa-dubaba assembling your consciousness.
RE: A Resignation? - Namaste - 06-14-2011
It wouldn't matter how far you went with it, or how much my discernment alarm was going off, I'd simply accept it as your truth, and get on with my life in the best way I can :¬)
I used to work with a devout Christian. He was a fantastic guy. Although his beliefs were entirely different to mine (his entailed that I'm destined for hell, whereas mine entailed that he might miss the point of being here, and our own divinity), we would discuss them openly out of genuine interest, accept them and get on enjoying our friendship.
RE: A Resignation? - unity100 - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 09:46 AM)Namaste Wrote: It wouldn't matter how far you went with it, or how much my discernment alarm was going off, I'd simply accept it as your truth, and get on with my life in the best way I can :¬)
I used to work with a devout Christian. He was a fantastic guy. Although his beliefs were entirely different to mine (his entailed that I'm destined for hell, whereas mine entailed that he might miss the point of being here, and our own divinity), we would discuss them openly out of genuine interest, accept them and get on enjoying our friendship.
then, there is no point in more than people convening, and trying to learn from each other.
'everyone's truth is everyone's truth', and they all live in their totally subjective, separate, detached realities.
........
actually not.
we inhabit a common reality with defined laws rules and has a certain dance, created by infinite intelligence to reflect certain aspects of existence. the learning of this dance, brings the understanding of these certain aspects of infinite intelligence, and completes the octave.
in short, there are common truths and aspects of existence that affect everyone in the same way. and co-learning, sharing of information is meant to learn these. otherwise, there is totally no point to talking anything or sharing anything at all for the purposes of learning.
you are talking as if anything that is said is valid in this common reality we inhabit. it is not as such.
RE: A Resignation? - Richard - 06-14-2011
People come , people go...its the nature of the human experience. This forum is no different in that respect. 95% of the current cast of characters (oh..and characters we are, lolol) here is completely different from the ones that were here when Bring4th opened its doors.
But consider also...this forum, by its very nature, makes people question long held beliefs. Some folks are uncomfortable defending those beliefs or...even questioning them for that matter. I'm actually surprised there is not more turnover here. That says something in and of itself.
Richard
RE: A Resignation? - Namaste - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 09:57 AM)unity100 Wrote: then, there is no point in more than people convening, and trying to learn from each other.
A deduction you've just fabricated, not one offered by myself, or anyone else.
And here's why - I have just finished my first public talk on the unified nature of reality, using scientific principles as the foundation. The goal is to open people's minds to The Law of One without enforcing a particular belief system. It went very well and a few more opportunities are lined up, of which I am extremely excited and humbled by. Does that match your above statement that accepting another's belief system invalidates the need to teach/learn? No, and in fact, it's the opposite. But of course, you're entitled to conclude whatever you wish. You've just offered a very powerful example of projecting your own thoughts onto another.
Dare I say it, this is the 'unity100 cycle'. You take someones words, make your own deductions (which are clearly mistaken in this case), then offer that as your next argument. Repeat ad infinitum :¬)
Those who are on a learning path, will learn. I have personally spent years learning intellectually, but have now moved my efforts into positive polarisation, hence, my emphasis is on action; helping others in any way I can.
Quote:you are talking as if anything that is said is valid in this common reality we inhabit. it is not as such.
Another deduction of your own. If you read my statement, my acceptance is of the validity/equality of each person's truths, not the content they offer.
I will retract from this conversation, as it is becoming rather time consuming and repetitive.
Much love to you all :¬)
I must also thank you Unity - genuinely, you've acted as great teach/learn catalyst for myself since your joining the forum.
RE: A Resignation? - unity100 - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 10:21 AM)Namaste Wrote: A deduction you've just fabricated, not one offered by myself, or anyone else.
no, its just the natural result of your conclusion :
Quote:And here's why - I have just finished my first public talk on the unified nature of reality, using scientific principles as the foundation. The goal is to open people's minds to The Law of One without enforcing a particular belief system. It went very well and a few more opportunities are lined up, of which I am extremely excited and humbled by. Does that match your above statement that accepting another's belief system invalidates the need to teach/learn? No, and in fact, it's the opposite. But of course, you're entitled to conclude whatever you wish. You've just offered a very powerful example of projecting your own thoughts onto another.
Dare I say it, this is the 'unity100 cycle'. You take someones words, make your own deductions (which are clearly mistaken in this case), then offer that as your next argument. Repeat ad infinitum :¬)
'unified nature of reality' is something that takes meaning only when approximating infinity.
in any state less than infinity, there are local 'realities'.
just like how there are particular laws governing the existence in THIS universe of this octave, which is different from the previous octave. leave aside the laws of this solar system being different from others, as Ra told.
we are on a rotating planet revolving around a single sun. when someone comes up with their 'belief system' and says that the sun of this solar system is not single but actually double, that is not 'their reality'. that is false information, error, uninformedness, blind belief, subjective conceptions, or delirium. same goes for someone who says earth is flat, or someone who says earth was created just 6000 years ago, or that they hop octaves and actually come from 10 octaves later riding a flaming phoenix.
your proposition is that, everything is valid and we can all learn by NOT questioning but accepting each others' propositions.
the only thing to learn from someone who is proposing earth is flat, or that they changed the physical placement of this solar system by thought last night from other side of the galaxy to this side, and updated everyone's memories to fit that act, is not to take in and believe/accept anything that is told.
surely, a unified reality exists. entities displacing solar systems and riding flaming phoenixes exist. also flat earths exist.
they exist when you approximate infinity. they are not the reality of this locale. any kind of subjective, subconscious conception, is NOT real, because they dont pertain to this particular reality set we are living in.
Quote:Those who are on a learning path, will learn. I have personally spent years learning intellectually, but have now moved my efforts into positive polarisation, hence, my emphasis is on action; helping others in any way I can.
there is a process to learning. it doesnt happen magically as if a room full of indian ringneck parakeets singing to each other back and forth. a process to discover and understand the common reality that we inhabit, the reality which was designed in a particular fashion is mandatory, and learning of the dance in this particular octave completes this octave, only to pass into a new reality set in the next octave.
next octave's reality set, is not this octave's reality set. they do not hold here.
so, if i come up and say that all of you and this universe are actually living in a 2cm2 area of my palm, i am wrong, or something else.
accepting that without questioning, is not learning.
Quote:Another deduction of your own. If you read my statement, my acceptance is of the validity/equality of each person's truths, not the content they offer.
i would like to see how you define validity. if a statement is valid, it means what it proposes is valid.
it feels as if you are transplanting the word valid with 'truth'. i will take it as such, and reiterate :
'each are entitled to their own truth' does not mean unquestioning acceptance of what 'truth' they bring, and accepting what is being told is NOT love.
the person's right to voice his/her own truth does not include the necessity of others accepting it. alternatively, accepting what someone says without questioning is not an act of love. its an act of foolishness. the person and his/her opinions and perceptions and beliefs, are two different things, even tho one has facets identifying the other at any given time.
we didnt tell vbaba he cant say what he believes. we didnt tell him to shut up. we asked him his rationalizations, sources, explanations for what s/he was saying, because they were conflicting with the common reality we have discovered up to this point.
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really, it is hard to weed out what exactly was your point. you talk about a common unified reality, and all opinions being valid, then you refuse to accept the other person's truth as truth.
it boils down to what i was saying - you cant just go out accepting whatever anyone says as valid.
RE: A Resignation? - Ankh - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 08:55 AM)unity100 Wrote: ok then. here i go first : i come from 4 octaves above and everything you know had been wrong.
Love you!
Actually I've been in such situation, where a Wanderer stated that he was from 8D. I mean 8D!! The end of the octave! My thoughts were - "ooook... (=??), but what the heck do I know?" I accepted his belief was making sense to him, but not to me.
In case of vbaba - I found that some of the comments were unnecessary. But we have all our unique lessons to learn, and I will not state that my truth is more right than yours, my brother. You do as you think is right for you. We all learn by it.
RE: A Resignation? - native - 06-14-2011
Sounds like I missed out..
RE: A Resignation? - Ankh - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 01:02 PM)Icaro Wrote: Sounds like I missed out..
aaaah sweety!! Do you have any internet now?
I missed you!!
RE: A Resignation? - 111 - 06-14-2011
Unity, go back and read your post from this forum. In every one of them you challenge someone who has a diffrent view or opinion than you. (Not that this is wrong, but to an extent) Your confrontational. It leaves a bad taste. I enjoy reading a lot of your post throughout these forums. They are filled with light and you refrence the LOO brilliantly. But everything dosent have to be an argument. It serves no one but the self to be "Right" all the time. That's what myself and Namaste and ankh were just trying to touch on.
RE: A Resignation? - native - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 01:24 PM)Ankh Wrote: aaaah sweety!! Do you have any internet now?
I missed you!!
Yes, I have been reintegrated! o_O Missed you too
RE: A Resignation? - 3DMonkey - 06-14-2011
I CAR O !!!
We are the ones that missed out
RE: A Resignation? - unity100 - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 01:24 PM)111 Wrote: Unity, go back and read your post from this forum. In every one of them you challenge someone who has a diffrent view or opinion than you. (Not that this is wrong, but to an extent) Your confrontational. It leaves a bad taste.
i dont post my posts without being aware of what i post. im at a loss to see what 'confrontational' even means in that context.
is posing a question which blunts out contradictions in between what is being said, and what is supposedly accepted, a confrontation ?
why yes. any kind of request for explanation, rationalization, source is a confrontation if you look at it that way. there is no escaping that when you enter a discussion.
the opposite of that would be being receptive.
Quote:I enjoy reading a lot of your post throughout these forums. They are filled with light and you refrence the LOO brilliantly. But everything dosent have to be an argument. It serves no one but the self to be "Right" all the time. That's what myself and Namaste and ankh were just trying to touch on.
what i see is a wide shooting broad generalization here. everything ?
how many 'arguments' from me you see in the entirety of the threads going on in this forum as of now ? all of them ?
3 and a half. one is this, one is the passage thread, and one is the elder race thread which actually falls in the topic of this thread and the passage thread 50/50. and the 'half' is the wanderer video in olio.
in these threads, i am discussing 2 total topics :
- the mechanics and manner of harvest
- whether anyone has the right to preach without being challenged/questioned
in all these threads, all my discussions stayed in these topics. and, while these are being discussed, NATURALLY what is being spoken are going to be arguments.
this is a discussion to weed out something we dont know. there ARE going to be arguments. there has to be arguments to make out the truth behind what is being discussed. as long as we are discussing things, there are going to be arguments and counter arguments.
i dont even know why this needs an explanation.
RE: A Resignation? - 3DMonkey - 06-14-2011
Ankh, I remember a person from another forum. Lovely in outlandish ways, this person could be "third, fourth, or fifth density at will". Change whenever they wanted. Great people these are
RE: A Resignation? - native - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 01:47 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I CAR O !!!
We are the ones that missed out
aw how sweet
RE: A Resignation? - Oceania - 06-14-2011
it's not about not accepting vbaba's truth as anyone's truth. it's about accepting it as their truth but wanting to know if i can accept it as mine. aren't we here to learn? i thought this place was about growing together and discussing different views and interpretations on LOO, and learning about other channelings in the other channelings forum. i didn't know no opinions or questions were to be asked here if someone raised curiosity with unusual posts. if this is the case maybe this is not the place for me. i really don't understand.
RE: A Resignation? - 3DMonkey - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 01:50 PM)Icaro Wrote:(06-14-2011, 01:47 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I CAR O !!!
We are the ones that missed out
aw how sweet
yeah
get something like that out of unity100 'beat that, unity' (I'm trying to make unity100 laugh. I'm not picking a fight. 'I know I heard a chuckle, unity'
)(06-14-2011, 01:53 PM)Oceania Wrote: it's not about not accepting vbaba's truth as anyone's truth. it's about accepting it as their truth but wanting to know if i can accept it as mine. aren't we here to learn? i thought this place was about growing together and discussing different views and interpretations on LOO, and learning about other channelings in the other channelings forum. i didn't know no opinions or questions were to be asked here if someone raised curiosity with unusual posts. if this is the case maybe this is not the place for me. i really don't understand.
If you don't GET off my back, I am out of here!
RE: A Resignation? - native - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 01:53 PM)Oceania Wrote: i didn't know no opinions or questions were to be asked here if someone raised curiosity with unusual posts.
I read what I could from vbaba's thread. It seems like people genuinely questioned the statements. It was pretty obvious vbaba was either having fun or misinformed.
(06-14-2011, 01:56 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: yeah
(I'm trying to make unity100 laugh. I'm not picking a fight. 'I know I heard a chuckle, unity'
I see you're still up to your monkeying ways
Maybe I was vbaba o_O
RE: A Resignation? - 3DMonkey - 06-14-2011
I BELIEVE IT
RE: A Resignation? - native - 06-14-2011
i praise your faith!
RE: A Resignation? - Bring4th_Austin - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 02:00 PM)Icaro Wrote: Maybe I was vbaba o_O
Trippy...
RE: A Resignation? - native - 06-14-2011
No I would have done a better job
RE: A Resignation? - Ankh - 06-14-2011
(06-14-2011, 01:49 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Ankh, I remember a person from another forum. Lovely in outlandish ways, this person could be "third, fourth, or fifth density at will". Change whenever they wanted. Great people these are
O_o I have no idea of what it means...
(06-14-2011, 02:00 PM)Icaro Wrote: Maybe I was vbaba o_O
You always want to be the special one, don't you?
So wonderful to have you "online" again!
RE: A Resignation? - 3DMonkey - 06-15-2011
We all feel misunderstood in life, so we come here. Yes? We all have this thought that nobody get's me and I need a place with people like me. Yes?
Well, when we get here, we continue the same motif. We continue to argue semantics, try to make our points, try to explain ourselves. We continue barking up the same ol' tree. We continue the motif. "Be the change you want too see in the world", right? We are what we are because we want to be that. We have gravitated together only to continue the motif of our vibrational patterns.
RE: A Resignation? - 111 - 06-15-2011
In all of life, in these forums and in our spiritual seaking back too unity, the Why is more important than the how. There are many paths to self realization. Vbaba knew she was more than a body and a single mishap in coinsiousness... I don't disagree with any of the people who questioned Vbaba, I have not argued your logic thatt she was preaching her views as truth and it could confuse wandering eyes. But I will NEVER feel it was handeled as it should have been. We can all be a little more understanding and compassionate. Everyone isn't ready to have their understandings analyzed, but don't ever forget. That's your Otherself your questioning. We are all one... We are all Vbaba in more ways than we understand (as this is not a density of understanding). This is another reason I don't feel everything should be so scrutinized. We kid ourselves in believing we truly "understand" anything we say in these forums lol Again tho, this is simply an opinion of your otherself
Love and Light
RE: A Resignation? - unity100 - 06-15-2011
i dont think i have been offensive or aggressive at all. i was totally socially polite. the other questioners i saw, behaved in the same manner too.
RE: A Resignation? - 111 - 06-15-2011
(06-15-2011, 03:20 PM)unity100 Wrote: i dont think i have been offensive or aggressive at all. i was totally socially polite. the other questioners i saw, behaved in the same manner too.I just feel when questions weren't answered she was bombarded. And I also might be a little distressed because I had some personal questions I felt I needed to ask Vbaba privatly and she was driven away before she ever answered. So my feelings are of course a little personal. And unity I never accused you of being the one to drive her off. Like I said, I feel your personal references to the LOO to be very enlightning. I'm just suggesting as a forum, the next time (and I'm sure it will happen again) that this situation comes about, keep in mind that we are all one and seeking the same answers. There is no true understanding or "pure truth" in this density. So let's not take everything soo serious!! Much love Unity!! I'm truly sorry if I came on too strong with this. Please forgive me