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RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 05:33 PM)Azrael Wrote: Perhaps he means that the genetic patterns that will express themselves are being developed? Afterall, it's stated that harvest will be the end of 3D bodies on this planet for a period of time.
such commentary would be quite a stretch about 'bodies being manufactured on saturn's rings'.
RE: Elder Race - 111 - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 05:41 PM)unity100 Wrote:(06-12-2011, 05:33 PM)Azrael Wrote: Perhaps he means that the genetic patterns that will express themselves are being developed? Afterall, it's stated that harvest will be the end of 3D bodies on this planet for a period of time.
such commentary would be quite a stretch about 'bodies being manufactured on saturn's rings'.
Just a comment, After everrything I have come to undersatnd about "Infinity" and the LOO... How can anything be a stretch? Infinite possibilitys
RE: Elder Race - vbaba - 06-12-2011
vb has resigned
RE: Elder Race - Unbound - 06-12-2011
Yeah, that's what I tend to think. To be honest we have to assume that all of this is still Ra's assumption. His truth is no greater than our truth, simply more precisely organized.
RE: Elder Race - vbaba - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 11:14 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-12-2011, 10:59 AM)vbaba Wrote: What do YOU think 18.20 indicates?Dunno.
Look to that group of Jose Arguiles (spelling) whose distortions are directed solely on the study of Mayan Calendar. The 18.20 looks to be a form of dating the Mayan Calendar.
RE: Elder Race - Ankh - 06-12-2011
Thank you for your answer, vbaba. I guess that if one is the one of the so called Elder Race, it is crucial to know that while incarnated in 3D. Personally I think that's crazy (said with touch of light). You have not even experienced 4D! You have just graduated, and still risking to be stuck again, without even sniffing around a bit in harmonious, denser realms. The bravery and foolishness of for instance 6D Wanderer when he faces the risk of taking on the heavily veiled 3D incarnation is one thing, since this Wanderer comes after billions of years in harmonious realms, but you... Talking about cojones!
But maybe you don't have to graduate? Are there any special rules for you? If there are then ok, but if not - stay positive for crying out loud! (06-12-2011, 11:44 AM)vbaba Wrote: Is this entity Q'uo a portion, a Ego/Personality of the Soul/Spirit Complex of the channeler? Why did Ra leave? Where did Ra go?
Q'uo is a group of three social memory complexes: 4D Hatonn, 5D Latwii and 6D Ra. Here are L/L Research's channelings, including those of Q'uo:
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/transcripts_toc_year.aspx
Ra didn't go anywhere, but those special workings stopped due tragic outcome for one of the members of the group. Since those workings were what could be called magical workings, the harmony of the group acted as a shield I suppose during these sessions. Naturally, this was not the case later, thus these particular working ceased. However, Ra is a part of Q'uo and these channelings are being continued.
vbaba Wrote:Being a visionary however, can manifest in entities not using a method of channeling. This is not professing we are of that nature, but there is a "technique" - a specific method Kundalini meditation which may then be used to connect to the Akashic Records, where past, present and future can be seen.
If you are interested in Kundalini, here is some information about this energy work from the Ra material:
RA material Wrote:49.5 Questioner: Will you expand on the positive and negative polarizations in general and how they apply to individuals and planets, etc.? I think there is a correlation here, but I’m not sure.
Ra: I am Ra. It is correct that there is a correlation between the energy field of an entity of your nature and planetary bodies, for all material is constructed by means of the dynamic tension of the magnetic field. The lines of force in both cases may be seen to be much like the interweaving spirals of the braided hair. Thus positive and negative wind and interweave forming geometric relationships in the energy fields of both persons, as you would call a mind/body/spirit complex, and planets.
The negative pole is the south pole or the lower pole. The north or upper pole is positive. The crisscrossing of these spiraling energies form primary, secondary, and tertiary energy centers. You are familiar with the primary energy centers of the physical, mental, and spiritual body complex. Secondary points of the crisscrossing of positive and negative center orientation revolve about several of your centers. The yellow-ray center may be seen to have secondary energy centers in elbow, in knee, and in the subtle bodies at a slight spacing from the physical vehicle at points describing diamonds about the entity’s navel area surrounding the body.
One may examine each of the energy centers for such secondary centers. Some of your peoples work with these energy centers, and you call this acupuncture. However, it is to be noted that there are most often anomalies in the placement of the energy centers so that the scientific precision of this practice is brought into question. Like most scientific attempts at precision, it fails to take into account the unique qualities of each creation.
The most important concept to grasp about the energy field is that the lower or negative pole will draw the universal energy into itself from the cosmos. Therefrom it will move upward to be met and reacted to by the positive spiraling energy moving downward from within. The measure of an entity’s level of ray activity is the locus wherein the south pole outer energy has been met by the inner spiraling positive energy.
As an entity grows more polarized this locus will move upwards. This phenomenon has been called by your peoples the kundalini. However, it may better be thought of as the meeting place of cosmic and inner, shall we say, vibratory understanding. To attempt to raise the locus of this meeting without realizing the metaphysical principles of magnetism upon which this depends is to invite great imbalance.
49.6 Questioner: What process would be the recommended process for correctly awakening the kundalini and of what value would that be?
Ra: I am Ra. The metaphor of the coiled serpent being called upwards is vastly appropriate for consideration by your peoples. This is what you are attempting when you seek. There are, as we have stated, great misapprehensions concerning this metaphor and the nature of pursuing its goal. We must generalize and ask that you grasp the fact that this in effect renders far less useful that which we share. However, as each entity is unique, generalities are our lot when communicating for your possible edification.
We have two types of energy. We are attempting then, as entities in any true color of this octave, to move the meeting place of inner and outer natures further and further along or upward along the energy centers. The two methods of approaching this with sensible method are first, the seating within one’s self of those experiences which are attracted to the entity through the south pole. Each experience will need to be observed, experienced, balanced, accepted, and seated within the individual. As the entity grows in self-acceptance and awareness of catalyst the location of the comfortable seating of these experiences will rise to the new true color entity. The experience, whatever it may be, will be seated in red ray and considered as to its survival content and so forth.
Each experience will be sequentially understood by the growing and seeking mind/body/spirit complex in terms of survival, then in terms of personal identity, then in terms of social relations, then in terms of universal love, then in terms of how the experience may beget free communication, then in terms of how the experience may be linked to universal energies, and finally in terms of the sacramental nature of each experience.
Meanwhile the Creator lies within. In the north pole the crown is already upon the head and the entity is potentially a god. This energy is brought into being by the humble and trusting acceptance of this energy through meditation and contemplation of the self and of the Creator.
Where these energies meet is where the serpent will have achieved its height. When this uncoiled energy approaches universal love and radiant being the entity is in a state whereby the harvestability of the entity comes nigh.
You can find the full session here:
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=49&sc=1&ss=1
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 05:56 PM)111 Wrote:(06-12-2011, 05:41 PM)unity100 Wrote:(06-12-2011, 05:33 PM)Azrael Wrote: Perhaps he means that the genetic patterns that will express themselves are being developed? Afterall, it's stated that harvest will be the end of 3D bodies on this planet for a period of time.
such commentary would be quite a stretch about 'bodies being manufactured on saturn's rings'.
Just a comment, After everrything I have come to undersatnd about "Infinity" and the LOO... How can anything be a stretch? Infinite possibilitys
'infinite possibilities', yet, you are not able to move saturn's orbit by your thought now, are you ? you were not able to do it 5 seconds before reading this post either.
the infinite probabilities probable at any given point in any experiential nexus, depends on the development of that nexus up till that point.
(06-12-2011, 06:04 PM)vbaba Wrote: .................
i had had asked, why jeshosuah had happened to be 'lord of this planet' despite he was only a wanderer from end 4th density, and now in early 5th density.
i dont see any answer yet. maybe it was lost in the mail again.
RE: Elder Race - Unbound - 06-12-2011
vbaba - This all rings true to me as far as principles go and if you can see beyond language barriers.
I've seen it stated that this planet is somewhat peculiar with the variety of "races" present. Apparently it's more regular for there to be only one dominant "colour" and distinctions are instead made based on function.
RE: Elder Race - vbaba - 06-12-2011
vb has resigned
RE: Elder Race - Unbound - 06-12-2011
vbaba, I'm interested in these photographs and perhaps more details concerning the Hollow Earth concept, do you have any sources or information you could direct me to?
RE: Elder Race - 3DMonkey - 06-12-2011
Speaking of eyeballs, I was curious why, with all the variations of colors of body parts that the sclera (white part) doesn't come in different colors.
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-12-2011
vababa: thanks for your response.
Reason is dual activated bodies or entities are simply 4th density entities already harvested from 3d (from another planets, etc) apparently incarnated in dual (3d-4d) activated bodies...according to Ra...I understand to prepare Earth 4d by increasing consciousness and eventually providing full 4d bodies via rapid evolution. However, they apparently die "by 3d necessities". You can search this at www.lawofone.info (there many entries).
Meaning: if these bodies/entities are destroyed before giving birth to 4d vehicles then it appears that 4d vehicles cannot exist. However, I do not know if these entities only change planetary consciousnes...
However, we know that in 3d here bodies were also manufactured by the entity Yahweh so what you say can also be valid. But then this means that dual entities are destroyed which does not compute well with what Ra says, as far as I can discern.
RE: Elder Race - vbaba - 06-12-2011
vb has resigned
RE: Elder Race - kycahi - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 11:44 AM)vbaba Wrote: Is this entity Q'uo a portion, a Ego/Personality of the Soul/Spirit Complex of the channeler? Why did Ra leave? Where did Ra go?
Over many years, Carla and Don grew to know, love and trust each other. Not that usually-tolerant Carla wouldn't bark at Don once in a while, when he got carried away with an idea that he got stuck on because of some buried emotion or other.
They welcomed Jim to their lives and over many months grew bonded with him too. This threesome was sufficient to call Ra to them and derive the special method of connecting. As I understand it, Carla agreed to leave her body for a little while during sessions so that Ra could take it over and speak without her consciousness acting as a filter.
After Don moved to time/space (passed away), that unique micro proto-social memory complex ended, and so did the Ra contact. Ra is as present in our world as ever, but we no longer have that connection.
After Don left, Carla began channeling Q'uo, but while remaining in body and conscious. Each of us can choose to decide whether Q'uo is Ra under a different name or something else. Personally, I didn't decide; I just like what the Q'uo material offers, but if it seems to contradict Ra, or more likely what I mentally derived from the Ra material, I would put off accepting that until further thought.
RE: Elder Race - Bring4th_Austin - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 09:09 PM)vbaba Wrote: Why we are being persecuted is causing apprehension towards being here on this site. We have feelings too, even though we are disciplined at controlling them. We are just offering information. You may take it or leave it. Questions are understandable and acceptable but please understand we are not an "All-Knowing-God".
I can understand why you may feel persecuted, tone is hard to interpret with online communication. I would encourage you to not take anything said or asked of you personal, and I assume that you guard your free-will enough that nothing presented to you here would effect your beliefs without serious consideration.
Much of what you propose is in direct conflict with the Law of One material, and the purpose of this forum is largely to discuss this material. Just as an example, you propose that our 4D bodies are formed elsewhere from means which have nothing to do with natural bisexual reproductive evolution here on this planet. This is not congruent with Ra's words.
Expect to be challenged very thoroughly with any information you present. If the information is contradictory to the body of material this forum was created to discuss, expect that information to be disregarded. I know you are aware that you may believe what you wish and express any way you please (within forum guidelines), but most on these forums hold strong beliefs in the Ra material and have little desire to discuss ideas incongruent with information from L/L Research (the channelers behind the Ra contact and Q'uo).
RE: Elder Race - 3DMonkey - 06-12-2011
Multiple butts, huh?
RE: Elder Race - vbaba - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 06:38 PM)Azrael Wrote: vbaba, I'm interested in these photographs and perhaps more details concerning the Hollow Earth concept, do you have any sources or information you could direct me to?
Azrael - Tried to cut and paste the satellite photograph but it didn't work. Tried to drag it on but that didn't work either. Tried the attachment below ... didn't work. Don't know how to directly email it to you. Don't find anything here to do that. But here is a website you might like:
http://hollowplanet.blogspot.com/
There is also some information available online regarding Admiral Byrd's adventure to the Hollow Earth. When we get the time we will share more about what we know about the earth's interior.
RE: Elder Race - vbaba - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 09:25 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote:(06-12-2011, 09:09 PM)vbaba Wrote: Why we are being persecuted is causing apprehension towards being here on this site. We have feelings too, even though we are disciplined at controlling them. We are just offering information. You may take it or leave it. Questions are understandable and acceptable but please understand we are not an "All-Knowing-God".
I can understand why you may feel persecuted, tone is hard to interpret with online communication. I would encourage you to not take anything said or asked of you personal, and I assume that you guard your free-will enough that nothing presented to you here would effect your beliefs without serious consideration.
Much of what you propose is in direct conflict with the Law of One material, and the purpose of this forum is largely to discuss this material. Just as an example, you propose that our 4D bodies are formed elsewhere from means which have nothing to do with natural bisexual reproductive evolution here on this planet. This is not congruent with Ra's words.
Expect to be challenged very thoroughly with any information you present. If the information is contradictory to the body of material this forum was created to discuss, expect that information to be disregarded. I know you are aware that you may believe what you wish and express any way you please (within forum guidelines), but most on these forums hold strong beliefs in the Ra material and have little desire to discuss ideas incongruent with information from L/L Research (the channelers behind the Ra contact and Q'uo).
The Galactic Logos oversees this galaxy which our earth is a part of - The Law of One pertains to ALL planets and ALL of the Creator's Creation's. If you are unable or unwilling to accept other planets and star systems into the Law of One, then we see your understanding of evolution on a quite different level than of our own.
Questions are acceptable. Persecution is not. You see a reflection in us that what we share or "propose" is not in direct conflict of the Law of One which causes us to see your own reflection in direct conflict with the Law of One.
We thank you for reminding us that this is a forum specifically limited to those 4 channeled books - and we understand and accept why our presence here is not compatible and have resigned.
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-12-2011
Well...I wish you could continue.
By the way I was not trying to defy your beliefs, just to harmonize knowledge.
RE: Elder Race - Unbound - 06-12-2011
I agree with you vbaba, as I see it what you are saying is not disagreeing with what Ra states. Ra states that the bodies will come in to physical manifestation through progressive evolution, which I believe is correct. However, what you are refering to is the FORM, you, I believe, are referring to the "work in progress" of the DESIGN of the 4D body, not the actual mechanism of manifestation whereby the 4D bodies would be birthed on Earth. Ra describes the mechanism of the APPEARANCE of the bodies, whereas I feel you are describing the current work on the IDEA of the bodies.
RE: Elder Race - vbaba - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 09:34 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Multiple butts, huh?
haven't you heard "two butts are better than one"? !!
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 11:12 PM)Azrael Wrote: I agree with you vbaba, as I see it what you are saying is not disagreeing with what Ra states. Ra states that the bodies will come in to physical manifestation through progressive evolution, which I believe is correct. However, what you are refering to is the FORM, you, I believe, are referring to the "work in progress" of the DESIGN of the 4D body, not the actual mechanism of manifestation whereby the 4D bodies would be birthed on Earth. Ra describes the mechanism of the APPEARANCE of the bodies, whereas I feel you are describing the current work on the IDEA of the bodies.
I have to tell you...mainstream astronomy has it wrong according to DW Larson: blue stars older than red/yellow etc...for example...also natural sciences with evolution..at the end evolution is a trick of the illusion of time and it comes from "above"..look at the Higher Self concept, but more obviously look at the very first question/answer:
Quote:“All things, all of life, all of the creation is part of one original thought.”
Then the first thing was Infinity....then it became aware...
A quantum shift of densities 3 to 4 (at this point) would not surprise me at all even if it entails 3d and 2d destructions. As a matter of fact it could be the only solution since the vibratory state is so diferent and incompatible...we are talking about not depending on the sub-Logos (Sun) to continue the path of evolution (when in 4D).
RE: Elder Race - Unbound - 06-12-2011
Yes, I agree that a lot of mainstream science has things "backwards" and indeed I've even considered if that was an intentionally planted idea from some STS entities hoping to distort the correct understanding.
Which is also noting that they believe the Pleiades are really young, whereas by Larson's model it is one of the oldest and also the origin of the Humanoid impulse in this system by ther sources.
Yes, I had read that Reciprocal Theory concept before, and I quite agree!
RE: Elder Race - Bring4th_Austin - 06-12-2011
(06-12-2011, 10:43 PM)vbaba Wrote: While we know what we share or "propose" is NOT in direct conflict of the Law of One we also understand you are entitled to your limited Awareness. Like we have stated before, the Ra Material is an excellent foundation for the Law of One but there is valuable information not presented in its contents. To limit self to a few books on metaphysics, is no different than Christians limiting themselves to one book called The Bible. The journey to Infinity is not specifically limited to 4 books. There are other sources available that go beyond these four volumes which you speak, and "when the student is ready, the Master will appear."
Those are wise words regarding limiting oneself to the words of one body of material, but that is not at all what I am talking about. There is a difference in information reaching beyond Ra's words, and information in conflict with Ra's words. From a personal standpoint, I do not put 100% faith into Ra's words, but I adhere to them loyally while discussing on this forum. That is not required, and you should feel free to express opinions not compatible with Ra's words; just don't expect others to take legitimacy in those words, and expect to be shown where and how they are conflicting.
Quote:We thank you for reminding us that this is a forum specifically limited to those 4 books. Considering that, we understand and accept why our presence here is not compatible and will resign.
It's not at all limited. But, in my perception (and from what I can tell, most everyone else'), it is the main purpose. Please don't view your presence as not compatible, that's not at all what I'm saying. I am talking very specifically about the information you present which is in conflict with the Ra contact, and to some extent, the Q'uo material as well.
Quote:The Galactic Logos oversees this galaxy which is included in the Law of One as is ALL of the Creator's Creations! If you cannot understand the potentiality of bodies being manufactured by higher level beings on other planets and systems within OUR galaxy, and limit your thinking to this earth and this earth alone, then we see your understanding of evolution on a quite different level than of our own. -vb
Then perhaps, instead of retreating, you could help bridge the gap? Normally what people do on this forum to back up their words with the Ra material is quote the material directly, and then explain what their opinions are and why they are congruent with the presented material. I can easily imagine a reality where we are given new bodies by aliens, but it is not what I read within the Ra material. Here is the direct quote:
Quote:63.27 Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.
This is your chance to take this material and explain how your proposition of bodies manufactured and given to us is in adherence to this passage. All of us, to some extent, have limited perception, and discussing things like this help us open our perception. If you have a logical explanation for how your idea fits with Ra's words, I personally would love to contemplate it, and warmly accept another view of Ra's words. From my current perception, they do not fit, but that is nothing that a logical explanation cannot change.
RE: Elder Race - Unbound - 06-12-2011
If you look at my last post on the previous page I think that's what vbaba was getting at?
RE: Elder Race - Bring4th_Austin - 06-12-2011
Vbaba stated in an earlier post that we are given these 4D bodies by ETs and then brought back to 4D Earth.
'vbaba Wrote:The difference between this Harvest and the last one is this time we will be taken alive - On board craft where we will receive our new 4D bodies and awake our return to our new 4D earth, after her Transition into 4D is complete. She will receive a new face - of eternal Springtime. Our new bodies are designed for that environment.
The idea of evolving 4D bodies from our 3D bodies, and receiving brand new 4D bodies instantly on board an alien craft, do not seem congruent to me. This is why I invited her/them to explain how these concepts fit together.
RE: Elder Race - Raman - 06-13-2011
(06-12-2011, 09:34 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Multiple butts, huh?
You are correct. Consider if you will, the sound vibratory complex you call "butt", part of the anatomical structure of your 3d body complex encountered where the sound vibratory complex "back" releases its name. It is divided in, shall we say in, 2 pieces. Therefore it is multiple.
Quote:63.27 Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.
Dual activated have 3d physical vehicles... It is congruent if somehow those dual activated ones are somehow protected (either by the dual activity itself or something else).
I cannot reconcile the part of 4d bodies brought in space ships for Saturn with the info at hand.
RE: Elder Race - Unbound - 06-13-2011
Hmm, seems vbaba changed all his posts.
RE: Elder Race - Ankh - 06-13-2011
(06-13-2011, 12:04 AM)Raman Wrote:(06-12-2011, 09:34 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Multiple butts, huh?
You are correct. Consider if you will, the sound vibratory complex you call "butt", part of the anatomical structure of your 3d body complex encountered where the sound vibratory complex "back" releases its name. It is divided in, shall we say in, 2 pieces. Therefore it is multiple
RE: Elder Race - unity100 - 06-13-2011
(06-12-2011, 10:43 PM)vbaba Wrote: The Galactic Logos oversees this galaxy which our earth is a part of - The Law of One pertains to ALL planets and ALL of the Creator's Creation's. If you are unable or unwilling to accept other planets and star systems into the Law of One, then we see your understanding of evolution on a quite different level than of our own.
again, what is your source, or your rationalizations for these conclusions ?
Quote:Questions are acceptable. Persecution is not.
it seems you take direct challenge to your propositions that conflict what we are discussing here (ra material) as 'challenge'.
thats your misperception. asking why your information conflicts with what we are discussing here, is a question itself.
noone has the obligation to ask you questions just to continually allow you to express your views unhindered and unchallenged.
Quote:You see a reflection in us that what we share or "propose" is not in direct conflict of the Law of One which causes us to see your own reflection in direct conflict with the Law of One.
or, they see that it directly conflicts with Law of One, and they see it. i am not able to put 'seeing a reflection' in Law of One anywhere in this.
(06-12-2011, 11:12 PM)Azrael Wrote: I agree with you vbaba, as I see it what you are saying is not disagreeing with what Ra states. Ra states that the bodies will come in to physical manifestation through progressive evolution, which I believe is correct. However, what you are refering to is the FORM, you, I believe, are referring to the "work in progress" of the DESIGN of the 4D body, not the actual mechanism of manifestation whereby the 4D bodies would be birthed on Earth. Ra describes the mechanism of the APPEARANCE of the bodies, whereas I feel you are describing the current work on the IDEA of the bodies.
a body, even its time/space form is not some external object like the pyramid Ra built, to have its form created somewhere else than reflected into time/space by third parties.
creation of the times/space parts of the bodies happen in and within the body with the natural mechanisms that are already built in to these.
this is probably the reason why Ra says bearers of 3-4d body childs experience strong spiritual energy during childbirth.
in short, the 'formation' of the body and all that entail happen there, not on the rings of some remote planet.
(06-13-2011, 03:31 AM)Azrael Wrote: Hmm, seems vbaba changed all his posts.
why did he do that ?