(04-11-2011, 04:53 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Remember some don't have any sort of yard to grow in, some without even a balcony to grow potted plants on.

(04-11-2011, 04:53 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Some families, even some communities as a whole, lack the resources to grow their own food.

(04-11-2011, 04:53 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I absolutely see where you are coming from though, because I can only imagine that the tiniest fraction of families that DO have the resources take advantage of the fact. If we can spread the mindset of working with what we have, we can make a real energetic push in the right direction. I grow more hopeful of this every day.

(04-11-2011, 05:41 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: But, man, I tried vegetable gardens. At most, it produced a side dish once a week. Unless you consider cucumbers growing out of my ears! I could only eat so many cucumber sandwiches!

(04-11-2011, 05:41 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: meat is a necessity if I'm going full home grown. I'm grateful that my wife's father's family has evenly distributed a yearly stock of venison. In my opinion. In a world without grocery stores, meat is vital. In my opinion.

(04-11-2011, 06:06 PM)Ocean Wrote: did you guys see this?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/38/20110411/tod-fbi-documents-indicate-ufo-landings-045b8e8.html

(04-11-2011, 06:15 PM)Ocean Wrote: i know! i got so excited i started vibrating! lol i was sure they wouldn't mention it!

(04-11-2011, 06:12 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(04-11-2011, 06:06 PM)Ocean Wrote: did you guys see this?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/38/20110411/tod-fbi-documents-indicate-ufo-landings-045b8e8.html

Wow! On yahoo! I'd say that's Disclosure with a capital D!

International Business Times, FBI Hottel Memo" Reveals UFO Hoax Wrote:News organizations across the world were taken in -- once again -- by a hoax that was perpetrated more than 50 years ago.

(04-11-2011, 06:25 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Now if it would just show up on the American yahoo...

(04-11-2011, 08:07 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: Ocean, have you seen Flight of the Concords?

I hope so. I singing this song to you, "Bret you got it going on... You got it going on Bret"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwbhRdlFi2A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
(it's much funnier with video)

(04-11-2011, 08:26 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

International Business Times, FBI Hottel Memo" Reveals UFO Hoax Wrote:News organizations across the world were taken in -- once again -- by a hoax that was perpetrated more than 50 years ago.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/132868/20110411/fbi-hottel-memo-reveals-ufo-hoax.htm

(04-11-2011, 08:57 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(04-11-2011, 08:26 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

International Business Times, FBI Hottel Memo" Reveals UFO Hoax Wrote:News organizations across the world were taken in -- once again -- by a hoax that was perpetrated more than 50 years ago.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/132868/20110411/fbi-hottel-memo-reveals-ufo-hoax.htm

that is more disinformation and information suppression than anything else.

fbi's 'vault' to 'access files easier' -> this is some story that would only fool someone who isnt working in i.t. no government agency that deals in serious stuff had happened to be stupid enough to ignore i.t. security basics.

(04-11-2011, 09:08 PM)zenmaster Wrote: c'mon, you know you want to press the 'like' button on my post.

(04-11-2011, 09:27 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Seems much more likely to me that it's real. Here we have the most famous of all UFO incidents...there seems to be much more motive for trying to cover it up, than there is for it to be hoax.

Not that that matters, of course. But sometimes the simplest explanation really is the correct one. Occam's Razor. (Though it is often misapplied.)

(04-11-2011, 09:27 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: ...be much more motive for trying to cover it up, than there is for it to be hoax.

Quote:25.4 Questioner: We shall now continue with the material from yesterday. You stated that about 3,000 years ago the Orion group left due to Diaspora. Was the Confederation then able to make any progress after the Orion group left?

Ra: I am Ra. For many of your centuries, both the Confederation and the Orion Confederation busied themselves with each other upon planes above your own, shall we say, planes in time/space whereby machinations were conceived and the armor of light girded. Battles have been and are continuing to be fought upon these levels.

Upon the Earth plane, energies had been set in motion which did not cause a great deal of call. There were isolated instances of callings, one such taking place beginning approximately 2,600 of your years in the past in what you would call Greece (at this time) and resulting in writings and understandings of some facets of the Law of One. We especially note the one known as Thales and the one known as Heraclitus, those being of the philosopher career, as you may call it, teaching their students. We also point out the understandings of the one known as Pericles.

At this time there was a limited amount of visionary information which the Confederation was allowed to telepathically impress. However, for the most part, during this time empires died and rose according to the attitudes and energies set in motion long ago, not resulting in strong polarization but rather in that mixture of the positive and the warlike or negative which has been characteristic of this final minor cycle of your beingness.

(04-12-2011, 12:13 AM)Confused Wrote: There seems to be a time for everything under the Sun, based on energies set in motion eons ago. I have a slight problem, as an individual, with decidedly accepting that just because it was covered up by some folks, those folks necessarily had an evil intent or malevolent motive. I am not saying you are implying that, but it is only my opinion being aired.

(04-12-2011, 12:19 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: If they couldn't even accept other humans with darker skin,

Quote:We suggest that in looking at planetary origins one observes not the pigmentation of the integument but the biases concerning interactions with other-selves and definitions regarding the nature of the self.

(04-12-2011, 12:38 AM)Confused Wrote: I would probably have had a very hard time, if I were present in my current physical form (brown-skinned) in the US during the 1950s.

(04-12-2011, 12:38 AM)Confused Wrote: However, there is now growing realization that there is nothing to nationality or race or any of that superficial difference, apart from their potent ability to divide, separate, degrade, and deceive. It is the spirit within that unites individuals. And when there is commonality of purpose and beliefs, the bond is reinforced multiple times.

(04-12-2011, 12:19 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(04-12-2011, 12:13 AM)Confused Wrote: There seems to be a time for everything under the Sun, based on energies set in motion eons ago. I have a slight problem, as an individual, with decidedly accepting that just because it was covered up by some folks, those folks necessarily had an evil intent or malevolent motive. I am not saying you are implying that, but it is only my opinion being aired.

I agree! In fact, I think the motive for covering up alien contact was probably benevolent, for the most part.

Think about it. Think of the dogmatic religious people you know. How would they react to news of alien contact?

I know some people who would totally flip out, in terror, thinking that it's all a 'satanic' trick. These fear-driven fanatical people might do something really stupid or even violent.

Now imagine those same people back in 1950! Before the era of sci-fi. Before acceptance of other races, even! If they couldn't even accept other humans with darker skin, how could they have accepted aliens from other planets?

The powers that be probably did what they thought was the wisest thing, in covering it up, at them time anyway.

(04-11-2011, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(04-11-2011, 09:27 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Seems much more likely to me that it's real. Here we have the most famous of all UFO incidents...there seems to be much more motive for trying to cover it up, than there is for it to be hoax.

Not that that matters, of course. But sometimes the simplest explanation really is the correct one. Occam's Razor. (Though it is often misapplied.)

So what's the 'simplest explanation'? The made up one?

(04-12-2011, 02:49 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(04-11-2011, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(04-11-2011, 09:27 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Seems much more likely to me that it's real. Here we have the most famous of all UFO incidents...there seems to be much more motive for trying to cover it up, than there is for it to be hoax.

Not that that matters, of course. But sometimes the simplest explanation really is the correct one. Occam's Razor. (Though it is often misapplied.)

So what's the 'simplest explanation'? The made up one?

the simplest explanation is that, just like how it happened immediately after roswell, there are still sources suppressing and repressing the information. this may be a court judge that had his ear bent on behalf of 'national security' interests, it may be some talking head not telling things he was told not to.

(04-11-2011, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: So what's the 'simplest explanation'? The made up one?