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RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-14-2011
(04-14-2011, 03:51 AM)Spectrum Wrote: very skilled 'loyal opposition'...
Hmmm.... I like the term, 'The Loyal Opposition'.
I have said this before and I will say it here too. If there is one very important thing that those who choose the STO path can learn from the STS, it is the virtue of perseverance and strong will. Those folks just do not give up, and truly believe in their cause.
Thus, even if they are disunited within themselves, leading to entropy, they pose a united opposition to STO forces. And they seem to have patience with long-term plans, while those of STO, combining together for a cause, need immediate results.
Just my thoughts. And a very excellent and educative post, Spectrum. Beautiful.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-14-2011
Confused Wrote:(04-14-2011, 03:51 AM)Spectrum Wrote: very skilled 'loyal opposition'...
Hmmm.... I like the term, 'The Loyal Opposition'.
It's Carla's term, but I also like it:
Book 5, Epilogue Wrote:Carla: And never, NEVER to make a deal with the loyal opposition!
Confused Wrote:I have said this before and I will say it here too. If there is one very important thing that those who choose the STO path can learn from the STS, it is the virtue of perseverance and strong will. Those folks just do not give up, and truly believe in their cause.
Their 'full time job' in higher densities is to refine their choice (STS) they made in 3rd density. It's how they increase their own polarity and advance, all for their 'own' benefit. It's also how they climb the ranks, hierarchy and power is core with STS, and all the tactics and actions that that entails.
Confused Wrote:while those of STO, combining together for a cause, need immediate results.
I think it might seem that way to us sometimes, but I can assure you STO up there 'also' never abandone their posts
Confused Wrote:And a very excellent and educative post, Spectrum. Beautiful.
As are yours
I think it is safe to say we have officially gone off topic now, but it's all good.Now where were we? Oh yes! Catastrophe / end times / doom / gloom / apocalypse / armageddon!
What have the catastrophe crowds been coming up with lately? It's hard to keep up.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-14-2011
(04-14-2011, 04:59 AM)Spectrum Wrote: Carla: And never, NEVER to make a deal with the loyal opposition!
Why did Carla say that, Spectrum? What was the context?
Striking a deal with the loyal opposition sort of sounds strange. Is it like the Faustian deal?
I sort of guessed that the STO guys up there stick to their trenches. I was referring to people here on earth, irrespective of whether they know that such things exists or not (like knowledge of STO Vs. STS).
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-14-2011
Confused Wrote:Why did Carla say that, Spectrum? What was the context?
It's how she ends the book, and I think it can be summed up as the temptations offered by the opposition, might be hard to resist for many positively oriented entities, channeling or otherwise. Let alone that most channelers are unaware of the source of the temptation, they think it's their own thoughts and desires, and people (again, channeling or otherwise) are constantly being deceived.
They see us from a time/space perspective, and know exactly where the gaps are for possible entry - the possibilities are endless. We are just human.
Ra Wrote:Questioner: Isn’t this unusual that a fifth-density entity then would bother
to do this rather than sending a fourth-density servant, shall I say?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Nearly all positive channels and groups may be
lessened in their positivity or rendered quite useless by what we may call the
temptations offered by the fourth-density negative thought-forms. They
may suggest many distortions towards specific information, towards the
aggrandizement of the self, towards the flowering of the organization in
some political, social, or fiscal way.
These distortions remove the focus from the One Infinite Source of love
and light of which we are all messengers, humble and knowing that we, of
ourselves, are but the tiniest portion of the Creator, a small part of a
magnificent entirety of infinite intelligence.
Quote:Questioner: Is it possible for an entity here on Earth to be so confused as to
call both the Confederation and the Orion group in an alternating way, first
one, then the other, and then back to the first again?
Ra: I am Ra. It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that
service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity
at the base of its confusion is oriented toward service to others, the entity
will begin to receive messages of doom. If the entity at the base of the
complex of beingness is oriented towards service to self, the crusaders, who
in this case, do not find it necessary to lie, will simply begin to give the
philosophy they are here to give. Many of your so-called contacts among
your people have been confused and self-destructive because the channels
were oriented towards service to others but, in the desire for proof, were
open to the lying information of the crusaders who then were able to
neutralize the effectiveness of the channel.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-14-2011
(04-14-2011, 06:02 AM)Spectrum Wrote: We are just human.
but also gods in potentiation. A really funny and paradoxical creation, this is.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-14-2011
Confused Wrote:A really funny and paradoxical creation, this is.
Yeah...
Speaking of which:Book I, Session 1
January 15, 1981 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We are those who are of the Law of
One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are
simplified; the paradoxes have a solution. We are one. That is our nature
and our purpose.
Confused Wrote:while those of STO, combining together for a cause, need immediate results.
I've been thinking about what you said here, and I think it's the other way around. I think STS is much more shortsighted and impatient, and want results quickly, because their motivation is self gain. I think patience is more of an STO characteristic.
Respecting the free will of another, requires endless patience, not to mention acceptance, especially if you see a loved one being deceived, or messing up, in order for them to learn, and thus, benefit in the long run. A person should investigate the motivation for their 'knight in shining armour' desire carefully, before taking action. Wait for when help is asked for. Difficult. In the mean time, just lend support, or a listening ear. Love is the greatest protection, so to just let someone know they're loved, whilst respecting their free will (which might seem disastrous), is I think, most difficult.
Which brings us all the way back to this:
Book 5, Law of One Wrote:There is a spiritual strength that comes with unravelling such mysteries for one’s self. It is not always a service for those with better trained eyes to tell another what he does not yet see for himself, but which he has the capacity to learn to see.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-14-2011
1 Corinthians 13
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - drifting pages - 04-14-2011
In the end this is a very personal journey, there is no other way.
All is well.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-14-2011
True
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-14-2011
Phew! Just read the whole of 1 Corinthians 13, when I looked up the above verse. It's worth posting all of it here, I think. I've been avoiding the bible for the last 20 years...
1 Corinthians 13
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-14-2011
(04-14-2011, 09:27 AM)Spectrum Wrote: I've been avoiding the bible for the last 20 years...
Avoiding!! Why (if it is something you can share and not personal)? The New Testament is a nice wonderful book, and I read it frequently, though I am not a Christian myself (by birth in this incarnation).
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-14-2011
I was raised Christian, and then when I was about 10 or so, all these happy-clappy charismatic churches started appearing everywhere, and my mother took us to those. Then the Toronto blessing started becoming popular, with people falling over when touched by the pastor and speaking in tongues and all that nonsense. And then I noticed how much money was flowing, and I noticed the hypocrisy and the showmanship, and when I was 18 I said "I'm outa here!", and also never touched the bible again.
Recently someone showed me the movie Marjoe:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068924/
About the documentary Wrote:This documentary is really mind blowing. This is the kind of film that many people only dream about. It is so refreshing to see and hear a very articulate, smart, and brave man uncover some of the true evils in the world that, in his life, mostly exist in the religious sector. This is a man who has been put through all them and has lived to tell the tale and get his voice heard. It's a shame that not many people have seen or heard about this film, especially considering that it won the Academy Award for Best Documentary. This is the kind of film that you only wish more people would have seen or listened to. The documentary is about an ex-child evangelist preacher who in his spare time speaks to a documentary crew about his tortured childhood and his life afterwords and what tricks his parents used to promote him as a miracle. This man, Marjoe Gortner, was a victim and this film shows him standing up, not only for himself, but for all the people of the world who are forced to behave accordingly to please god and be a good Christian. It's quite intense to see this man expose all of this stuff to the public, and at the same time be so charismatic about it. But this is all just to get his point across a world that is asleep to these evils. It is amazing how powerful it is to just call someone a sinner just because of what they believe, but to call somebody a sinner just because they are trying to help people into bettering themselves, it just seems very wrong. This is a man who wants to be heard. He wants a better life, and this documentary exposes his true feelings to the public. The reason why these people do these things to children is obviously because they believe that they are the most manipulable and therefore would be the easiest to corrupt, but this film not only proves them wrong.
...and it all came rushing back to me and repulsed me all over again. Mass hynosis, big bucks and lies.
Wasn't really too wise to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but anyway.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-14-2011
(04-14-2011, 10:05 AM)Spectrum Wrote: I was raised Christian, and then ....
I thank you for sharing your personal story, Spectrum. Reading the story about earthly abuses in high spiritual places, the following quote of Ra came to mind (extracted from 1.4) -
Quote:We spoke to one who heard and understood and was in a position to decree the Law of One. However, the priests and peoples of that era quickly distorted our message, robbing it of the, shall we say, compassion with which unity is informed by its very nature. Since it contains all, it cannot abhor any.
How fortunate we are to have the LOO, in terms of understanding the world better! Otherwise, I would definitely be like a lost young child in a heavy bustling market place in a foreign country.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-14-2011
Confused Wrote:How fortunate we are to have the LOO, in terms of understanding the world better! Otherwise, I would definitely be like a lost young child in a heavy bustling market place in a foreign country.
I'll drink to that
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-14-2011
(04-14-2011, 10:34 AM)Spectrum Wrote: I'll drink to that
What!!! You will drink to me getting lost!! How cruel?
PS: I understood that you meant we are sort of the 'saved' people, if you will, because we can to some extent understand the dynamics of an infinitely complex creation and of the world we find ourselves in, and it is all thanks to the LOO. Because it clearly delineated the conditions necessary and the simple dynamics behind spiritual evolution.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-15-2011
Confused Wrote:PS: I understood that you meant we are sort of the 'saved' people, if you will, because we can to some extent understand the dynamics of an infinitely complex creation and of the world we find ourselves in, and it is all thanks to the LOO. Because it clearly delineated the conditions necessary and the simple dynamics behind spiritual evolution.
I'll drink to that too!!
Since Law of One is a universal truth, fragments of it appear in many spiritual and holy books available today, but Law of One just brought it all together so nicely, and simply, and understanding the fuller picture makes all the difference in the world to me.
I also think religion is a common catalyst for people incarnating on earth, in various ways, because it permeates all cultures, and is an effective tool used for selfish purposes in the wrong hands.
We have since laughed a lot about all the stuff we've witnessed in those 'charismatic' churches, and I think my mom regrets taking us there, because three of us four kids have never set foot in a church again, except for weddings and funerals of course, and she's still very religious.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-15-2011
(04-15-2011, 03:35 AM)Spectrum Wrote: ...but Law of One just brought it all together so nicely,...
And to top it all, it lays out clearly the requirements, unlike in religious texts, which can sort of get fuzzy and vague. And in fact, can confuse one beyond a stage, if taken too seriously and literally.
LOO is a different matter. It is like getting in hand 40 questions before exam, of which you know are likely to come the 10 that you will answer on the day. It is much easier to study the 40 rather than the otherwise probable 400 from across the whole textbook. I do not know whether I am making sense, but an opinion ventured.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-15-2011
Confused Wrote:I do not know whether I am making sense, but an opinion ventured.
You are making perfect sense, I understood exactly what you meant, and I agree completely.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-15-2011
(04-15-2011, 04:21 AM)Spectrum Wrote:Confused Wrote:I do not know whether I am making sense, but an opinion ventured.
You are making perfect sense, I understood exactly what you meant, and I agree completely.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-16-2011
To steer back to the ‘doomerology’ business, I accidently stumbled onto a blog of quite an intelligent and well-read blogger. Few of the doomerologists and their theories have escaped his attention.
There’s some interesting nuggets here, but he also has his biases. I don’t condone everything he says, I just think his logic is quite refreshing overall.
Personally (as I have gleaned from Ra as well and from keeping an eye on world events), I think our greatest possibility for future catalysts looks to be ‘man made’ – war, further destruction of our planet (oil spills, deforestation, over fishing, pollution, famine), and the ongoing concentration of wealth into the hands of the few, not pole shifts or outer space bodies on a collision course with earth or whatever the doomerologists have managed to come up with lately. There were, are and always will be earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes, floods etc.
Here’s the blog:
http://livenoevil-ustane.blogspot.com/2010/02/have-party-in-2012.html
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 10:04 AM)Spectrum Wrote: To steer back to the ‘doomerology’ business, ...
What could be perceived as doom at one level of existence can be seen as transformation from another level.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-16-2011
That is true. Transformation is ever ongoing though, Eckhart Tolle talks of the Law of Impermanence, one of the laws of our universe. Everything is transient.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 10:42 AM)Spectrum Wrote: ...Law of Impermanence...
That is the first time I have come across that. I have never read Eckhart so far.
Thanks for flagging it up, Spectrum. It will sort of help when I get envious with 'I too want that in this life' mood.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-16-2011
Confused Wrote:It will sort of help when I get envious with 'I too want that in this life' mood.
From The Power of Now - Eckhart Tolle:
The Power of Now Wrote:Does it matter whether we achieve our outer purpose, whether we succeed or fail in the world?
It will matter to you as long as you haven't realized your inner purpose. After that, the outer purpose is just a game that you may continue to play simply because you enjoy it. It is also possible to fail completely in your outer purpose and at the same time totally succeed in your inner purpose. Or the other way around, which is actually more common: outer riches and inner poverty, or to "gain the world and lose your soul," as Jesus puts it.
Ultimately, of course, every outer purpose is doomed to "fail" sooner or later, simply because it is subject to the law of impermanence of all things. The sooner you realize that your outer purpose cannot give you lasting fulfilment, the better.
When you have seen the limitations of your outer purpose, you give up your unrealistic expectation that it should make you happy, and you make it subservient to your inner purpose.
Another interesting bit from Power of Now:
Power of Now Wrote:The Esoteric Meaning of “Waiting”
In a sense, the state of presence could be compared to waiting. Jesus used the analogy of waiting in some of his parables. This is not the usual bored or restless kind of waiting that is a denial of the present and that I spoke about already. It is not a waiting in which your attention is focused on some point in the future and the present is perceived as an undesirable obstacle that prevents you from having what you want.
There is a qualitatively different kind of waiting, one that requires your total alertness. Something could happen at any moment, and if you are not absolutely awake, absolutely still, you will miss it. This is the kind of waiting Jesus talks about. In that state, all your attention is in the Now. There is none left for daydreaming, thinking, remembering, anticipating. There is no tension in it, no fear, just alert presence.
You are present with your whole Being, with every cell of your body. In that state, the “you” that has a past and a future, the personality if you like, is hardly there anymore. And yet nothing of value is lost. You are still essentially yourself. In fact, you are more fully yourself than you ever were before, or rather it is only now that you are truly yourself.
“Be like a servant waiting for the return of the master.” Says Jesus. The servant does not know at what hour the master is going to come. So he stays awake, alert, poised, still, lest he miss the master’s arrival. In another parable, Jesus speaks of the five careless (unconscious) women who do not have enough oil (consciousness) to keep their lamps burning (stay present) and so miss the bridegroom (the Now) and don’t get to the wedding feast (enlightenment). These five stand in contrast to the five wise women who have enough oil (stay conscious).
Even the men who wrote the Gospels did not understand the meaning of these parables, so the first misinterpretations and distortions crept in as they were written down. With subsequent erroneous interpretations, the real meaning was completely lost. These are parables not about the end of the world but about the end of psychological time. They point to the transcendence of the egoic mind and the possibility of living in an entirely new state of consciousness.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 11:00 AM)Spectrum Wrote: “Be like a servant waiting for the return of the master.” Says Jesus. The servant does not know at what hour the master is going to come. So he stays awake, alert, poised, still, lest he miss the master’s arrival. In another parable, Jesus speaks of the five careless (unconscious) women who do not have enough oil (consciousness) to keep their lamps burning (stay present) and so miss the bridegroom (the Now) and don’t get to the wedding feast (enlightenment). These five stand in contrast to the five wise women who have enough oil (stay conscious).
Spectrum, in another thread, there is an intense discussion on what the Harvest could actually mean, in terms of Ra's usage of it.
I wonder whether Jesus could have been talking about the Harvest here, in terms of the bridegroom!
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-16-2011
Confused Wrote:Spectrum, in another thread, there is an intense discussion on what the Harvest could actually mean, in terms of Ra's usage of it.
I wonder whether Jesus could have been talking about the Harvest here, in terms of the bridegroom!
Which thread is that?
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Confused - 04-16-2011
(04-16-2011, 12:23 PM)Spectrum Wrote:Confused Wrote:Spectrum, in another thread, there is an intense discussion on what the Harvest could actually mean, in terms of Ra's usage of it.
I wonder whether Jesus could have been talking about the Harvest here, in terms of the bridegroom!
Which thread is that?
The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - 3DMonkey - 04-16-2011
Okay. I keep wanting to read this thread from beginning. I will..... eventually.
(thats all the commenting I could muster)
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Spectrum - 04-16-2011
Confused Wrote:The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies
Ah! Thanks! I was looking at the recent thread titles, and couldn't see anything harvest related
I'll have a look-see.
RE: "The End is Near" mass unconsciousness - Ocean - 04-16-2011
bridegroom huh.