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RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Confused - 01-01-2011
(01-01-2011, 07:07 PM)Turtle Wrote: I have a feeling that the current parameters of the veil of Earth will no longer be repeated after this, at least in this galaxy, for two reasons.
1. It is a fairly unique experiment of the veil, and 3 times over it has led to very unwise, unloving results for the souls involved on a given planet. It is a shocking experiment to say the least.
2. (more importantly) Now that millions of entities, who came directly from the social memory complex Ra have incarnated here, there will be quite a vivid and honest account of this particular veiled experience once all those of Ra finish their current incarnations. When all those of Ra return to time/space reality, the numbers will be counted...and who knows how many will have gotten caught up in the cycle of karma again and will be unable to return to 6th density. I believe that no matter what, not all will return, because this veiled experience is very brutal, and it is foolish to incarnate here when you are from a higher density. Some may say it is brave, I understand, but bravery can still get you caught up in the cycles of karma here, once you deal with other selves behind the veil.
This I believe, will have a tremendous "eye opening effect" on not only Ra, the confederation of planets/angels in service to the one infinite creator, but also our local logos. Whey then did they not realize this before with Maldek and Mars? To that I say, did mass incarnations occur on those planets from beings who are 6d and above? Did they step down from heaven and really, really experience the so called "humoring oneself behind the veil"? No, I think not, and a few wanderers might not have been enough to sway "the management's" opinion....maybe now that millions of Ra, not to mention of 4th and 5th density are here now, they/we will return to time/space and create a revolution in the way things are done.
At the very least, I expect the higher authorities to allow any and all beings alive on this planet now who, once deceased, realize they must repeat 3rd density, the option of incarnating on another 3rd density planet which is lightly veiled.
Dear Turtle, in a strange way, your post provided much healing to me. Thank you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Protonexus - 01-01-2011
This thought matrix, Turtle, is very much accurate and interesting in that it presents the unprecedently rapid and thorough teaching and learning experience, for the entire galaxy, that is now the Earth transition. Multifarious social memory complex including those from beyond this galaxy are strongly seeking the opportunities that are presented under Earth's peculiar circumstances. Earth is and may continue to be a revelation for all involved sub-logoi, presenting novel probabilities.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Monica - 01-01-2011
(01-01-2011, 06:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: when a solar system is destroyed ... well ... no group of incarnates can be allowed to go around and keep destroying/wrecking planets. maybe this is another reason why it is being tried so hard to make a graduation in this planet as much in numbers as can be had. the crowd here have developed to be so dangerous or undesirable that, other logoi are not wanting to accept them into their 3d experience nexus, lest they shatter it or destroy the planet entirely.
Oh WOW. I hadn't thought of that.
(01-01-2011, 07:07 PM)Turtle Wrote: I have a feeling that the current parameters of the veil of Earth will no longer be repeated after this, at least in this galaxy, for two reasons.
1. It is a fairly unique experiment of the veil, and 3 times over it has led to very unwise, unloving results for the souls involved on a given planet. It is a shocking experiment to say the least.
2. (more importantly) Now that millions of entities, who came directly from the social memory complex Ra have incarnated here, there will be quite a vivid and honest account of this particular veiled experience once all those of Ra finish their current incarnations. When all those of Ra return to time/space reality, the numbers will be counted...and who knows how many will have gotten caught up in the cycle of karma again and will be unable to return to 6th density. I believe that no matter what, not all will return, because this veiled experience is very brutal, and it is foolish to incarnate here when you are from a higher density. Some may say it is brave, I understand, but bravery can still get you caught up in the cycles of karma here, once you deal with other selves behind the veil.
This I believe, will have a tremendous "eye opening effect" on not only Ra, the confederation of planets/angels in service to the one infinite creator, but also our local logos. Whey then did they not realize this before with Maldek and Mars? To that I say, did mass incarnations occur on those planets from beings who are 6d and above? Did they step down from heaven and really, really experience the so called "humoring oneself behind the veil"? No, I think not, and a few wanderers might not have been enough to sway "the management's" opinion....maybe now that millions of Ra, not to mention of 4th and 5th density are here now, they/we will return to time/space and create a revolution in the way things are done.
At the very least, I expect the higher authorities to allow any and all beings alive on this planet now who, once deceased, realize they must repeat 3rd density, the option of incarnating on another 3rd density planet which is lightly veiled.
WOW, Turtle, WOW!!!
I totally resonate with all that you just said...but hadn't articulated it like that. I have been saying that I plan to report back, when I leave this incarnation, that, no matter how much growth results from this type of veiled experience, from the perspective of the individual, such extreme suffering sucks!
Thank you for such an astute and optimistic assessment, Turtle! And thank you, unity100, for leading the way on such a huge, important issue as this.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Protonexus - 01-01-2011
(01-01-2011, 07:26 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(01-01-2011, 06:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: when a solar system is destroyed ... well ... no group of incarnates can be allowed to go around and keep destroying/wrecking planets. maybe this is another reason why it is being tried so hard to make a graduation in this planet as much in numbers as can be had. the crowd here have developed to be so dangerous or undesirable that, other logoi are not wanting to accept them into their 3d experience nexus, lest they shatter it or destroy the planet entirely.
Oh WOW. I hadn't thought of that.
In the conditions of Earth lies the potential solutions which may have very far reaching application across the multiverse. If we may resolve Earth difficulties in an appropriate manner, the results are beyond my ability to describe.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Monica - 01-01-2011
(01-01-2011, 07:20 PM)Confused Wrote: Dear Turtle, in a strange way, your post provided much healing to me. Thank you in the love and in the light of the One Infinite Creator.
Yeah me too!
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - unity100 - 01-01-2011
(01-01-2011, 06:40 PM)Confused Wrote:(01-01-2011, 06:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: actually im tying it more to base concepts that manifest in this solar system's model. the central logos of this galaxy used most of its material emphasizing unity, which is carried by indigo ray. however logos of this locale, sun, has tightened the veil that separates the higher self, which is the practical channel of indigo energy to 3d incarnate.
Dear Unity100, can you provide a detailed commentary on the rays/chakras, as you interpret it? I think there is much value there to be tapped into from you.
then please open a discussion thread on rays/chakras and their meanings in LOO forum, which i can participate.
Quote:(01-01-2011, 06:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: we are basically shaping the biases of tomorrow's spiritual generations. and no, i dont think loading everything to 'we are all one, love !' will fix anything - for it is evident that it has not fixed anything for yahweh and martians.
As difficult as it is for me personally to accept this, I think you have got to the heart of the matter by cutting away the outer clutter with the sword of your individual ruthless honesty and intuitive vision. But the question still remains. What can be done to 'fix it', while yet adhering strictly to the first distortion of freewill? I do not have an answer, as a puny mind/body/spirit sub-logoi, to that.
it will need to be a project basis fix, on case by case basis i believe. one size fits all fixes cannot handle this, since there is so much deviation.
a fix already is in place, with this huge waves of wanderer incarnations in phenomenal amounts. apparently, this was done to balance some imbalances on the planet so it could progress normally. so far, it succeeded.
now there is the question of transition of 3-4d entities to 4d. and then there also remains the question of those who will remain in 3d. these must be prevented from blasting the planet up with their toys. i think and hope that there are also plans for that in place already.
at this state, if the stint on this last experience nexus doesnt fix some of it, martians will need to be treated in some special circumstance, i believe. (along with whomever tagged along with the repeating orange ray pattern). how, and where, is a question. that we may not be able to pry, or may. however, it will probably be a fresh start. fresh in that, this experience nexus will end, all the societal biases will be left behind when they die, and only their natural spiritual biases will remain. then they can be sent to a planet which would fit their energy model, without the dangerous toys.
the objective now in my opinion should be to make the passage in 2011 smooth. and then some format must be implemented for transition of the 3-4d entities and newly incarnating, increasingly 4d compatible entities into 4d environment. these need to set up a society in which they will live in. the current earth society is way too negatively formatted, and tolling for them. it requires repression of emotions, ideals, ideas, thoughts and working heavily for survival with little choice. (even if you are well to do, unless you are very very rich). these are not compatible with 4d. not to mention the brutality of the food chain and abuse of planet. leave aside eating meat, 4d entities wont be able to work in slaughterhouses, for as 4d vibrations settle in, they will be feeling more and more of the pain of other entities.
at this point, the 'what is a density' topic is important
http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=2018&action=lastpost
because, it actually underlies this transition. if, the density difference in between 3d and 4d is some 'dimensional' difference to the extent that it is totally a different 'planetary sphere', so that a 4d entity would pass through an 3d wall (if his/her vibrations are not lowered to 3d), then it would mean that there is a 4d planetary sphere forming, and it is safe, and it would be incarnated increasingly by 4d entities in 4d bodies. this would clear up all the problems of the kind above, because the 3d society would not be able to cause trouble for 4d sphere.
but, if it is not as such, and 4d sphere that now overlaps the 3rd, is just a denser vibration, and will actually be manifesting on the face of the same physicality, then it would mean that contact in between 3d and 4d would be possible at all times (except when 4d is successfully hidden from view, but even in that case a 3d entity could go and harm/modify 4d physicality even if s/he cant see it), then that means that, there will be an overlapping situation in between 3d and 4d for a long time, and not only in vibration, but socially, politically, biologically - ie physically.
that would mean the increasingly 4d entities (including the 3-4d body incarnates) would be facing increasing dilemmas, difficulties, and would have to break up from the current society at some point. these difficulties, dilemmas etc are not just 'compatibility' ideologically with society, but also in survival-sense. will they work as peons in wal-mart, giving the profits of their work to a minority in society, or, will they try to go set up their own social system, which will definitely be frowned up by the existing one.
that is because the orange tint/structure of the current 3d society still persists, havent changed, and even trying to hold on to control. as you can see from the political, social arenas. not to mention the increasing orange ray regression (quo says some measure of it normally happens in 3d harvests) is creating increasing strength for various fundamentalist structures, including some religions.
..............
lets say even this is handled in some way. then there will remain the issue of preventing anyone/group from blowing the planet or its portions up, or harming it in various ways, during the transition phase in which 3d will get less and less population until the density is populated no more.
this, would end the precarious harvest that is happening on this planet.
i think the numerous light worker groups around the world is doing very great and proper, for the first objective. ie, continuance of experience and proper passage into 4d vibrations. so far no major incident happened, no major or noticeable wars, no disturbance of great scale. whether there is any specific effort needed for 2011 transition, and what are these, i dont know.
second part has paranormal dimensions to it, also socioeconomic considerations. there are a lot of things afoot regarding it, from internet to zeitgeist. but as said, the existing negative format orange-yellow society is trying to prevent them by all means. and this will use the increasing fundamentalism and bigotry in a lot of segments of society.
third part is not something we can meddle in yet. unless, in time/space, and unconsciously, through our greater, unmanifested being. these, however, are specific and unique stuff to each entity themselves, and noone but others can know what they can do better.
Quote:But I have a LOO quote that may offer a clue -
Quote:20.17 Questioner: I am assuming that at the start of one of these cycles there could have been either a positive polarization that would generally occur over the 25,000 years or a negative polarization. Is the reason for the negative polarization and the shortening of the life span the influx of entities from Mars who had already polarized somewhat negatively?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. There was not a strong negative polarization due to this influx. The lessening of the life span was due primarily to the lack of the building of positive orientation. When there is no progress those conditions which grant progress are gradually lost. This is one of the difficulties of remaining unpolarized. The chances, shall we say, of progress become steadily less.
the problem is there. these entities have not polarized negatively. they arent polarized positively either. but leave aside not polarizing, they are exhibiting destructive behavior patterns, in an orange ray format. had they polarized negative or positive, there wouldnt probably be the danger of the planet being blown up.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Confused - 01-01-2011
(01-01-2011, 07:26 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Oh WOW. I hadn't thought of that.
Monica, I think that is why Unity100 is liable to be misunderstood. The individual's field of cosmic vision and intensity of service is much more expansive than most of us would imagine, in my opinion. That may cause a sense of burning frustration in terms of something like "why do not others get what I so easily understand?". Of course, this is my personal subjective feeling in terms of Unity100.
(01-01-2011, 07:26 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I have been saying that I plan to report back, when I leave this incarnation, that, no matter how much growth results from this type of veiled experience, from the perspective of the individual, such extreme suffering sucks!
Please hold on to that thought consistently, Monica, in your individual and possibly in the collective will of members of the bring4th team. Because, I think unless we hold it with continuous intent and will, the power behind the realization might dissipate before it can be effectively etched in the learning archives of the great hall of creation, like Ra alludes to. We owe it to future creations or octaves of the One Infinite Creator, for we are effectively its parents. No more should extreme random catalysts like brutal physical torture or rape come up anywhere in infinite creation. Enough is enough.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - unity100 - 01-01-2011
(01-01-2011, 07:07 PM)Turtle Wrote: I have a feeling that the current parameters of the veil of Earth will no longer be repeated after this, at least in this galaxy, for two reasons.
i very much feel like that too.
Quote:This I believe, will have a tremendous "eye opening effect" on not only Ra, the confederation of planets/angels in service to the one infinite creator, but also our local logos. Whey then did they not realize this before with Maldek and Mars? To that I say, did mass incarnations occur on those planets from beings who are 6d and above? Did they step down from heaven and really, really experience the so called "humoring oneself behind the veil"? No, I think not, and a few wanderers might not have been enough to sway "the management's" opinion....maybe now that millions of Ra, not to mention of 4th and 5th density are here now, they/we will return to time/space and create a revolution in the way things are done.
'humoring oneself behind the veil' bit really spot on. its actually not so humorous at all. leave aside totally being unwise.
in addition, we can take into account that, the proceedings and understanding of this locale of the galaxy, this logos, is not some golden or thumb rule. there are endless number of suns in this galaxy, and on top of that there are as many galaxies as the suns. the mere mention of the fact that other guardians had had disagreed with yahweh, tells us that there are a lot of different spiritual opinions and formations. this is even more valid when we consider the fact that Ra had said that the existential experience in other galaxies can be quite different.
so basically, each logoi, incrementally, modifies the experience in their own way, leading to a lot of difference in between how existence is manifested and perceived.
for example, there are still logoi near the central sun of this galaxy, that has no veil. and the veil phenomenon, and the resulting negative polarity, was an invention that has spread from the arms of the galaxy, towards the core ....
maybe no veil concept was not obsolete after all, or, the veil concept and the negative polarity concept was not so glorious after all, judging from what is happening on this solar system ...
if this much 'free will' is too much, it will need to be 'lessened' by lightening of the veil, leading to entities' greater connection to existence and each other. which would lessen their 'free will', in the terms of these experiments in this solar system ...
i personally think that veiling an entity's higher self from itself heavily, and subjecting it to the mandatory influences of the society it incarnates in (which forms its biases with participation of all its members by the way) is a bigger violation of free will. maybe this is the lesson with these planet explosions. veil entities from connection, and the resulting entities/society creates a 'higher self' of their own, which is naturally not in 6d, and starts going in random destructive directions with no purpose.
then again this may also be a schoolhouse to teach us the donts of this thing, so that they wont repeat elsewhere.
i personally want all Ra to return to their societal complex.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Monica - 01-01-2011
(01-01-2011, 07:55 PM)Confused Wrote: Monica, I think that is why Unity100 is liable to be misunderstood. The individual's field of cosmic vision and intensity of service is much more expansive than most of us would imagine, in my opinion. That may cause a sense of burning frustration in terms of something like "why do not others get what I so easily understand?". Of course, this is my personal subjective feeling in terms of Unity100.
RIGHT ON!!! Thank you for seeing this! :idea:
And because these ideas run so deep, and have such huge implications, and because they challenge the idea that we can't do anything about such matters because 'God' is in control, they tend to trigger strong reactions, and the person might not realize why they are reacting.
The implications are huge, that, as Q'uo stated, we have much more power and responsibility in this than we thought we did.
(01-01-2011, 07:55 PM)Confused Wrote: Please hold on to that thought consistently, Monica, in your individual and possibly in the collective will of members of the bring4th team. Because, I think unless we hold it with continuous intent and will, the power behind the realization might dissipate before it can be effectively etched in the learning archives of the great hall of creation, like Ra alludes to. We owe it to future creations or octaves of the One Infinite Creator, for we are effectively its parents. No more should extreme random catalysts like brutal physical torture or rape come up anywhere in infinite creation. Enough is enough.
Well said!
I am holding on to the thought fiercely, and am happy to be joined by others!
(01-01-2011, 08:04 PM)unity100 Wrote: i personally think that veiling an entity's higher self from itself heavily, and subjecting it to the mandatory influences of the society it incarnates in (which forms its biases with participation of all its members by the way) is a bigger violation of free will.
Yes! That does seem obvious!
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Crimson - 01-01-2011
My very first post "A warning" reflects how worried I am about a real possible nuclear disaster.
In fact, I agree that (besides other unique "missions") wanderers are here in masse to prevent this or somehow change a grim future event.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Confused - 01-02-2011
(01-01-2011, 08:07 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: And because these ideas run so deep, and have such huge implications, and because they challenge the idea that we can't do anything about such matters because 'God' is in control, they tend to trigger strong reactions, and the person might not realize why they are reacting.
Yes, Monica, it is quite interesting that many of us instinctively do not feel right about the extreme pain or 'catalysts gone awry' that individuals on earth suffer. But we fear that the other LOO seeker self might not share the same feeling within the overarching angelically sweet umbrella of spiritual love and light. Spiritual love might mean respectfulness of the divine and its servants at all times; but not necessarily morphing of inner angst into sugarcoated rhetoric of 'love and light', in my opinion. If lessons are to be learned by us on behalf of the One Infinite Creator, then they have to be acknowledged first. As the following exchange between Don and master Ra poignantly illustrates -
Quote:77.19 Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?
Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack of free will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.
We are the witnesses and the carriers of that 'saga of polarity' in this part of infinite creation, I guess. And may the One Infinite Creator that animates each of us give us the strength to pass the baton of our realizations on forward, so that the same brutal conditions of pain distortions are not unnecessarily visited upon various other entities in any part of the infinite reaches of creation. We may not be able to go back and remove the pain of the past or necessarily curtail the pain in the moment, but I am sure that we can make it known to all of infinite creation that such sagas of polarity are not necessarily productive, while yet remaining strictly within the confines of the first distortion.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Turtle - 01-02-2011
I am glad my post had that affect my friends
No amount of intelligence, wisdom, love, or higher consciousness can, or ever will, replace the direct experience of some concept or reality that is foreign and not yet experienced. My favorite quote from Morpheus in "The Matrix" sums it up nicely....
"Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Confused - 01-02-2011
(01-02-2011, 06:04 AM)Turtle Wrote: I am glad my post had that affect my friends
No amount of intelligence, wisdom, love, or higher consciousness can, or ever will, replace the direct experience of some concept or reality that is foreign and not yet experienced. My favorite quote from Morpheus in "The Matrix" sums it up nicely....
"Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
Thank you, dear friend
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Monica - 01-03-2011
(01-02-2011, 04:09 AM)Confused Wrote: As the following exchange between Don and master Ra poignantly illustrates -
Quote:77.19 Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?
Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack of free will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.
We are the witnesses and the carriers of that 'saga of polarity' in this part of infinite creation, I guess. And may the One Infinite Creator that animates each of us give us the strength to pass the baton of our realizations on forward, so that the same brutal conditions of pain distortions are not unnecessarily visited upon various other entities in any part of the infinite reaches of creation. We may not be able to go back and remove the pain of the past or necessarily curtail the pain in the moment, but I am sure that we can make it known to all of infinite creation that such sagas of polarity are not necessarily productive, while yet remaining strictly within the confines of the first distortion.
I'm stunned, just stunned. In a good way. A happy way. This thread is getting into some really important realizations! This is huge!
:exclamation:
This to me feels like another level of awakening, like we thought we were awake before, only to find out we were still dreaming, and what we thought was waking state was actually a dream within a dream. And now we are really waking up...
:idea:
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Confused - 01-03-2011
(01-03-2011, 12:44 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I'm stunned, just stunned. In a good way. A happy way. This thread is getting into some really important realizations! This is huge!
:exclamation:
This to me feels like another level of awakening, like we thought we were awake before, only to find out we were still dreaming, and what we thought was waking state was actually a dream within a dream. And now we are really waking up...
:idea:
May all praise, glory, and worship be to the One Infinite Creator, and to its glorious servants (such as Master Ra) for these realizations or illuminations upon us. And may the ONE give us the strength to ever more do our duties as its conscientious agents and representatives.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - @ndy - 01-03-2011
Thank you to all that have contributed in this thread. I've really enjoyed the journey it has taken me on
I'd like to try and understand something, it pertains to this thread but it may perhaps be best split into a separate topic.
It's the subject of judgment of others, be it other selves, the creator, guardians or such.
I realise in life things that were not at ease with are reflections of ourselves so I’m trying to gain in understanding of this
I endeavour (I think) to be non-judgmental mainly for the reasons - I can't know another selves experience and what brought them to be/ do something.
There for rather than judge I would try to understand that judging them would be based on my biases.
There for I’m trying to treat people like I’d like to be treated - I guess.
I understand from this thread and others that not all think this way and I'm trying to learn why some of us feel happier making judgments on the actions of other selves and some of us don't.
I can certainly see the benefit in exploring and evaluating topics this way to learn with each other.
So I'm left wondering if the assessment of success or failure of the veiling process will differ from individual to individual depending on their life experience here but also largely on their evaluation of that experience once the veil is removed.
With regard to an infringement of free will by veiling an entity, is that not something we have already agreed to experience by being here?
(Please mods feel free to split The judgment part if it is too of the original topic)
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - unity100 - 01-03-2011
(01-03-2011, 11:20 AM)@ndy Wrote: I understand from this thread and others that not all think this way and I'm trying to learn why some of us feel happier making judgments on the actions of other selves and some of us don't.
without what people - maybe due to extreme political correctness that grips some societies - dub as 'judging', there would be no evaluation of right, or wrong. if you do not evaluate actions, and decide on the nature of those actions according to their process and results, there is nothing to perceive, nothing to base anything on, nothing to understand.
even if one goes way far to dub 'right and wrong are inapplicable in the context of infinity', we are not infinite. where we stand, as individual manifesting entities, there are rights and wrongs, according to the path we are walking.
just as how an entity walking the positive path consciously, cannot go on enslaving people 'for their own good' and then expect to remain in the positive path, a negative path follower cannot go making friends with everyone and then expect to fulfill its path.
so, rights and wrongs are there, and they depend on the direction the entity (or entities) are intending to move towards.
in the context of yahweh guardians, this was helping graduation of entities, increasing vibrations and so on. however, what they did, slighting other entities in favor of the entities they were feeling close to, has been wrong, in the direction they were wanting to follow.
...........
a true state of 'there is no right or wrong' exists only in chaotic (yet infinitely organized) state, from infinite intelligence towards above to infinity. yet, this state, is only reachable by following the path of limitedness towards infinity, on and on, by seeing, feeling, understanding and learning. without wisdom - aka what you evaluate as 'judgment', there can be no learning. at maximum, entity can keep feeling on and on. on and on on and on forever, not moving an inch higher above 4d. understanding of the 'dance' of existence, is needed, for progress.
someone may realize the understanding pertaining to this case at hand, by looking at the example of yahweh, some may realize it by looking at a relative slighting 9 kids s/he has, in favor of 2 others, and causing great turmoil and dysfunctionality for later life.
with the 'nonjudgmental' mindset, that relative should just keep giving to the 2 spoiled children, wanting on and on and being destructive, and then 'not judging' the children, ignoring what they are doing.
the moment that relative says 'im giving a lot to these two, but they are not only slighting their brothers/sisters, but also hurting the entire household', it becomes a judgment given regarding a case.
it seems more like that, the political correctness that is so significant in america, lumps up the 'judgment' regarding an act or a character, with a negative/hateful/disliking attitude taken towards that person as a result of that judgment. it is probably due to societal traits of that particular country, a lot of different ethnicities and differences living together, and a lot of discrimination in between societal groups occurring in between each other with 2d herd behavior, and often sometimes, due to rightful reasons. so, the society seems to have adopted a political correctness that evades any kind of evaluation that would lead to concentrating on any kind of differences, and ignoring them, because the society tends to always practice that kind of noticing of differences, with an attitude of hatred accompanying it.
so it seems to me that, judging/evaluating/understanding the true nature of an entity, AND adopting a negative attitude towards that entity as a result of this, have been merged in the meaning of the word 'judgment' at some point in recent social history, which word now seems to be carrying them both at the same time.
it not the judgment that matters, its what you do with it.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - @ndy - 01-03-2011
Thanks for taking the time to explain this Unity
Your explanation makes lots of sense to me it's the idea of a negative aspect of Judgment that sit uncomfortable with me.
I have no problem at all with the evaluating and understanding of events and people, It seems to be my confusion of the idea of Judging.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Ankh - 01-03-2011
Explanation for why Yahweh did it might be that since martians were allready in the middle of their 3D experiences they were given an advantage (genetical one) where the naive notion of Yahweh was for martians to progress faster (by trying to understand LOO).
I think that Co-Creators Yahweh got too involved in creation process and since creation is the product of initial thought co-creators do not leave without experiencing what they created. So, my brother, the principle should be that Yahweh are incarnated here with you, experiencing the same confusion of heavy veiling, pain and suffering, and share the same worries that you do. Are you sure you are not one of them?
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Confused - 01-03-2011
(01-03-2011, 04:26 PM)Ankh Wrote: Explanation for why Yahweh did it might be that since martians were allready in the middle of their 3D experiences they were given an advantage (genetical one) where the naive notion of Yahweh was for martians to progress faster (by trying to understand LOO).
I think that Co-Creators Yahweh got too involved in creation process and since creation is the product of initial thought co-creators do not leave without experiencing what they created. So, my brother, the principle should be that Yahweh are incarnated here with you, experiencing the same confusion of heavy veiling, pain and suffering, and share the same worries that you do. Are you sure you are not one of them?
Extremely thought provoking and good question. As usual in deep spiritual affairs, I do not know the answer.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - unity100 - 01-04-2011
(01-03-2011, 04:26 PM)Ankh Wrote: I think that Co-Creators Yahweh got too involved in creation process and since creation is the product of initial thought co-creators do not leave without experiencing what they created. So, my brother, the principle should be that Yahweh are incarnated here with you, experiencing the same confusion of heavy veiling, pain and suffering, and share the same worries that you do. Are you sure you are not one of them?
there is no mandatory rule that says co-creators dont leave without experiencing what they created. what's created or the effects of it, may eventually return to its creator. however, there is no thumb rule that says it has to happen at a particular point.
however, it would be good if it did, because it would alleviate all kinds of problems and issues with stuff like karma, and all the imbalance issues and freedom-constraining issues it brings.
because, when you accrue some kind of behavior pattern/karma (which is also a kind of imbalance, by the way), then it eventually makes it inevitable for you to experience/go through certain stuff, decreasing your freedoms at that point.
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that being said, there are many ways for the effect of something created, or, the thing itself to return to the one created it. yahweh may not have necessarily incarnated, or even in the vicinity of earth, but, through any kind of connections of existence, they may be receiving the effects of what is going on here.
however, yahweh incarnating, is also a plausible possibility. but i dont think the guardians would let them do that, since, there is no saying that these entities wont repeat their established behavior patterns again during incarnation, causing more complications.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Xplosiw - 01-04-2011
Who is Yahweh, exactly? A social memory complex or something? "Good or bad"? I'm confused.
I tried to search for answers from LOO, but couldn't find any.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Ankh - 01-04-2011
(01-04-2011, 01:26 PM)Xplosiw Wrote: Who is Yahweh, exactly? A social memory complex or something? "Good or bad"? I'm confused.
I tried to search for answers from LOO, but couldn't find any.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?search_string=yahweh&search_type=phrase&ss=1&sc=1
Unity - Yahweh is not the only one who seems to misjudge the situation on Earth.
"24.5 Questioner: Then Yahweh, in an attempt to correct what I might call a mistake (I know you don’t want to call it that), started 3,300 years ago a positive philosophy. Were the Orion and Yahweh philosophies impressed telepathically, or were there other techniques used?
Ra: I am Ra. There were two other techniques used: one by the entity no longer called Yahweh, who still felt that if it could raise up entities which were superior to the negative forces, that these superior entities could spread the Law of One. Thus this entity, “Yod-Heh-Shin-Vau-Heh,” came among your people in form according to incarnate being (it seems that Yahweh incarnated here by that statement?) and mated in the normal reproductive manner of your physical complexes, thus birthing a generation of much larger beings, these beings called “Anak.”"
"60.16 Questioner: The pyramid shape then, as I understand it, was deemed by your social memory complex to be at that time of paramount importance as the physical training aid for spiritual development. At this particular time in the evolution of our planet it seems that you place little or no emphasis on this shape. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. It is our honor/duty to attempt to remove the distortions that the use of this shape has caused in the thinking of your peoples and in the activities of some of your entities. We do not deny that such shapes are efficacious, nor do we withhold the general gist of this efficacy. However, we wish to offer our understanding, limited though it is, that contrary to our naive beliefs many thousands of your years ago the optimum shape for initiation does not exist.
Let us expand upon this point. When we were aided by sixth-density entities during our own third-density experiences we, being less bellicose in the extreme, found this teaching to be of help. In our naiveté in third-density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power. We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.We spent a much larger portion of our space/time working with the unmanifested being. In this less complex atmosphere it was quite instructive to have this learn/teaching device and we benefited without the distortions we found occurring among your peoples.
We have recorded these differences meticulously in the Great Record of Creation that such naiveté shall not be necessary again."
"23.6 Questioner: Then at this time you did not contact them. Can you answer the same question that I just asked with respect to your next attempt to contact the Egyptians?
Ra: I am Ra. The next attempt was prolonged. It occurred over a period of time. The nexus, or center, of our efforts was a decision upon our parts that there was a sufficient calling to attempt to walk among your peoples as brothers.
We laid this plan before the Council of Saturn, offering ourselves as service-oriented Wanderers of the type which land directly upon the inner planes without incarnative processes. Thus we emerged, or materialized, in physical-chemical complexes representing as closely as possible our natures, this effort being to appear as brothers and spend a limited amount of time as teachers of the Law of One, for there was an ever-stronger interest in the sun body, and this vibrates in concordance with our particular distortions.
We discovered that for each word we could utter, there were thirty impressions we gave by our very being, which confused those entities we had come to serve. After a short period we removed ourselves from these entities and spent much time attempting to understand how best to serve those to whom we had offered ourselves in love/light."/.../"Meanwhile, the information concerning initiation and healing by crystal was being given. The one known as “Ikhnaton” was able to perceive this information without significant distortion and for a time, moved, shall we say, heaven and earth in order to invoke the Law of One and to order the priesthood of these structures in accordance with the distortions of initiation and true compassionate healing. This was not to be long-lasting.
At this entity’s physical dissolution from your third-density physical plane, as we have said before, our teachings became quickly perverted, our structures once again went to the use of the so-called “royal” or those with distortions towards power."
The funny thing about Echenaton is that one of the STO incarnated Wanderers were able to penetrate the veil of forgetting and he remembered that he was one of the priests who was in conpiracy against Echenaton and one of them who conspired in killing him. He wrote a lot of books about his memories (in swedish).
Something seems to always go "wrong", ie not the way it is expected on this planet. Harvests absent. LOO being perverted.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Protonexus - 01-04-2011
The distortions of power, control, and intellectual dominion seem to be vividly influential and eventually sour most attempts to clear up those distortions. There could simply be too many hands in the pot, but the entities of Orion and Lucifer would appear to have a poignant suggestion towards these distortions. These entities having offered every possible opportunity of understanding to human beings to the exclusion of universal love - which is what this Earth needs to transcend our old patterns.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - unity100 - 01-04-2011
(01-04-2011, 02:44 PM)Ankh Wrote: Ra: I am Ra. There were two other techniques used: one by the entity no longer called Yahweh, who still felt that if it could raise up entities which were superior to the negative forces, that these superior entities could spread the Law of One.
ra says that 2600 years ago, there seems to be a rise in negative behavior patterns. it is indeed such, if you look at history at that date vicinity. apparently yahweh wanted to enable stronger entities, which could then fight off these negatively inclined tribes, groups and nations.
Quote: Thus this entity, “Yod-Heh-Shin-Vau-Heh,” came among your people in form according to incarnate being (it seems that Yahweh incarnated here by that statement?) and mated in the normal reproductive manner of your physical complexes, thus birthing a generation of much larger beings, these beings called “Anak.”"
'came among your people in form according to incarnate being' is way different from incarnated. it sounds more like they have came into the planet, in a form that was more in line to be accepted as incarnate beings, but were not incarnated.
all the more so, because if they incarnated normally, they would just have normal earth genetic material when they were born, and wouldnt be able to effect a genetic change. the body they used to mate, should have different genetic material to effect that change.
Quote: When we were aided by sixth-density entities during our own third-density experiences we, being less bellicose in the extreme, found this teaching to be of help. In our naiveté in third-density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power. We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.We spent a much larger portion of our space/time working with the unmanifested being. In this less complex atmosphere it was quite instructive to have this learn/teaching device and we benefited without the distortions we found occurring among your peoples.
the catch here is that, when Ra had their 3rd, the veil was not tightened that much as in maldek, mars, and earth. very heavy veil, is an important factor for increased negative/disharmonious behavior patterns, from what it seems.
secondly but more importantly maybe, ra apparently havent been using this much technology as earth does, totally inappropriate for a 3d society at this behavior pattern and spiritual development level.
imagine, if there are 100 entities, and there are 10 controlling/negative among them, then it means there are 90 positive or neutral entities and 10 controlling ones. each entity has 1 unit of physical power, and they can affect only as much as their power. so, its in a way quite 'democratic' and in alignment with free will - if these 10 negative entities are able to affect more entities and turn them negative, the society can become negative. if they cannot coerce/persuade enough, they can only do as much as their own power.
now, imagine you give weapons to these 10 entities. now, these 10 entities, which were just 1 entity in physical power each, have become much much stronger than their numbers. the only thing needed for these entities to overpower others, is, to catch those other entities unarmed (if the others also are armed), or, overcome them in small groups with their better equipment/numbers, and piecemeal disarm and make them subdue.
so now, you have a situation in which a very small minority can effectively control/overpower/subdue many many more, disproportionately to their numbers.
this basically summarizes the history of the enslavement practices on planet earth, if you count out brainwashing through religions/propaganda.
also, this is one entity being much more powerful than its spiritual level can muster. the extreme end of this, can be seen in the folly of maldekians destroying their planet, martians scorching mars, and altanteans (probably) tilting the earth's axis. (leave aside sinking their continent and probably affecting other continents).
it is a totally inefficient and unproductive state for both polarities, because, the negative does not use the power of its own will to enslave others, but instead relies on external physical force to coerce others or remove opposing ones from incarnation, and the positive cannot be positive in an environment in which it is sure to be enslaved unless it resists in a somewhat negative fashion. if you utterly peacefully resist, you eventually die, and cannot continue a positive incarnation, and due to this being the norm, a positive environment cannot come into being in any society so that entities may increasingly polarize positively going towards harvest.
notice how there was graduates in 2nd cycle, and how Ra mentions that isolation was possible in the 2nd cycle. and even then the number of graduates have been 250.
so, instead you end up with a situation in which either negatively inclined entities enslave all others in various means through usage of technologies, and positive ones fall back to orange patterns to react, also to a kind of herd behavior. for, choice is a 3d matter, and where you cant make a choice, you are basically a herd animal, being herded. this leads up to all kinds of stuff in which strong, powerful few herd a bigger herd than they can, and reflects on all mechanisms, behaviors, mindset of the society.
Quote:We discovered that for each word we could utter, there were thirty impressions we gave by our very being, which confused those entities we had come to serve. After a short period we removed ourselves from these entities and spent much time attempting to understand how best to serve those to whom we had offered ourselves in love/light.
at the point Ra had came into this planet in their form, the behavior patterns that i have pointed to above were established looooooooong ago. at that point, it was doubtful that they could do any different. and, even if they were successful, it wouldnt be long before negatively oriented societies come invading egypt, which they have done. even if they succeeded, egypt would probably be attacked and forced to react, or enslaved by others, which is a natural result of the mechanic above.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - thefool - 01-04-2011
(01-03-2011, 12:56 PM)@ndy Wrote: Thanks for taking the time to explain this Unity
Your explanation makes lots of sense to me it's the idea of a negative aspect of Judgment that sit uncomfortable with me.
I have no problem at all with the evaluating and understanding of events and people, It seems to be my confusion of the idea of Judging.
May I introduce the concept of 'preference' here along with 'judgment'. As judgment seems to carry negative connotations and means punishment associated with it. Preference can be exercised without judgment. For example: You could prefer to be a vegetarian but at the same time not judge others who are meat eaters. So your preference is being a plant eater but you hold no judgment against animal eaters...makes sense?
I think we have to evaluate to make appropriate choice. One of the new age trend is to not being judgmental but lot of people confuse it for not taking a stand or anything goes attitude. You can still have clear choice but be non critical of other who do not agree with your choices and choose differently...
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - zenmaster - 01-04-2011
(01-04-2011, 09:42 PM)thefool Wrote: May I introduce the concept of 'preference' here along with 'judgment'.Judgment, evaluation, choice, or preference, or however we try sugar coat these terms or make them more politically correct, is the only process here that serves to ultimately make us more and more consciously aware of the nature of the logos.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Protonexus - 01-05-2011
(01-04-2011, 01:26 PM)Xplosiw Wrote: Who is Yahweh, exactly? A social memory complex or something? "Good or bad"? I'm confused.
I tried to search for answers from LOO, but couldn't find any.
Yahweh, or more properly, Yod He shin Vav He, the triune entity is the Hebrew deity. YHVH is also known as the Tetragrammaton, or the four letter Hebrew word. In the Bible, every instance of YHVH was replaced with God to protect the name from misuse by Christians. Yod is the father/mind, He is the mother/body, Vav is the Son/christ/love - the second He is sophia/wisdom/light. This is an extremely meaningful name that is often overlooked and replaced with Yahweh or Jehovah. "I am the lord thy god" translated accurately is actually - I Am Yod He Vav He thy Elohim (plural word meaning god, universal creator or logos). The hebrews channeled YHVH and this is the greeting. This translation from Hebrew will denote what YHVH is to the Hebrews:
“The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to those, You want to know my name? I am called according to my actions. When I judge the creatures I am Elohim, and when I have mercy with My world, I am named YHVH”.
YHVH and the teachings and interactions have been subject to significant manipulation by intellectual elitists and the Lucifer/Orion groups. The primary idea is to make YHVH appear cruel, unfair/discriminatory, naive, and judgemental. One may well assume most YHVH teachings and history are thoroughly corrupt and misinterpreted.
YHVH is however responsible for the shaping of the human body, and setting up much of the foundation for human life on Earth.
Ra does not say what YHVH is exactly, other than being a positively oriented entity/group of entities.
Opinion: YHVH is rather childlike. This entity is likely 7d (at least 6, or mixed) and thoroughly enjoys numerological creations and words. The entire Hebrew language, the Kabbalah, and much sacred geometry are the results of interaction with YHVH.
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If you take the Hebrew letters, the tetragrammaton and stack them you get this image. The top letter is Yod, the middle is Vav, He is the two Pi appearing symbols. Basically you are using a mind and body designed by YHVH. Large portions of your DNA was co-authored by this entity.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - Xplosiw - 01-05-2011
Thanks for your time! I really appreciate your explanation.
RE: i think the plan made for the planet is flopping again - thefool - 01-05-2011
(01-04-2011, 10:59 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-04-2011, 09:42 PM)thefool Wrote: May I introduce the concept of 'preference' here along with 'judgment'.Judgment, evaluation, choice, or preference, or however we try sugar coat these terms or make them more politically correct, is the only process here that serves to ultimately make us more and more consciously aware of the nature of the logos.
I agree wholeheartedly that discernment is needed to grow. Then there are different ways the discernment may be applied. Let me put it this way-
Preference = Discernment + Choice
Judgment = Preference + hate/anger/ other nagative emotions
I hope that clarifies my take.
(01-05-2011, 06:07 AM)Protonexus Wrote:(01-04-2011, 01:26 PM)Xplosiw Wrote: Who is Yahweh, exactly? A social memory complex or something? "Good or bad"? I'm confused.
I tried to search for answers from LOO, but couldn't find any.
Yahweh, or more properly, Yod He shin Vav He, the triune entity is the Hebrew deity. YHVH is also known as the Tetragrammaton, or the four letter Hebrew word. In the Bible, every instance of YHVH was replaced with God to protect the name from misuse by Christians. Yod is the father/mind, He is the mother/body, Vav is the Son/christ/love - the second He is sophia/wisdom/light. This is an extremely meaningful name that is often overlooked and replaced with Yahweh or Jehovah. "I am the lord thy god" translated accurately is actually - I Am Yod He Vav He thy Elohim (plural word meaning god, universal creator or logos). The hebrews channeled YHVH and this is the greeting. This translation from Hebrew will denote what YHVH is to the Hebrews:
“The Holy One, Blessed be He, said to those, You want to know my name? I am called according to my actions. When I judge the creatures I am Elohim, and when I have mercy with My world, I am named YHVH”.
YHVH and the teachings and interactions have been subject to significant manipulation by intellectual elitists and the Lucifer/Orion groups. The primary idea is to make YHVH appear cruel, unfair/discriminatory, naive, and judgemental. One may well assume most YHVH teachings and history are thoroughly corrupt and misinterpreted.
YHVH is however responsible for the shaping of the human body, and setting up much of the foundation for human life on Earth.
Ra does not say what YHVH is exactly, other than being a positively oriented entity/group of entities.
Opinion: YHVH is rather childlike. This entity is likely 7d (at least 6, or mixed) and thoroughly enjoys numerological creations and words. The entire Hebrew language, the Kabbalah, and much sacred geometry are the results of interaction with YHVH.
Very Insightful. Thanks !!!