(02-15-2021, 05:03 AM)zedro Wrote:

(02-15-2021, 03:59 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:

(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote:

(02-14-2021, 08:58 AM)ScottK Wrote: Yes, it is obvious, isn't it?  But then, you've chosen which side of the bifurcated system you wish to be on, so you look at things through that prism.

You are on the side of personal liberty and sovereignty.

Those on the other side, are trusting in the "system" to do the right thing, and willfully defer their power to those in charge.

Choices have consequences, and it's very difficult for an individual to change which side they are on right now since the deception is so strong - you either see it and are repelled by it, or can't see it at all.

True, I tend to forget that it's not necessarily (or at all) about understanding but rather values (unprocessed as they may be). For some 'slavery' is a choice, and not even regarded/recognized as such. It took me awhile to fully understand the brilliance of Orwell's 1984 seemingly paradoxical slogans, which to my initial instinct felt like obvious dichotomies/falsehoods designed to torture people intellectually, but in reality to others they may actually be simple conceptual truths:

(02-15-2021, 01:29 AM)zedro Wrote:

WAR IS PEACE (without war there is a lack of social cohesion, so war creates unity)
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY (slavery creates actual freedom as you abdicate responsibility to a higher authority)
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)

Two people can live in entirely dualistic realities in which these have different meanings, if only at the subconscious level. The tricky part is when actual historical realities diverge to support such conscious states.

(Note it's been ages since I read 1984, that interpretation is just what resonates with me right now)

Great job, zedro. You really pissed me off with your post.

Maybe some ill-willed individuals may benefit from such false dichotomizations and affirming the opposites as means to perpetrate sub-optimal social organization levels, due to incompetence in being able to figure out better possibilities amidst the Infinite that we all live in.

To state that 'life is death and death is life' is a typical half-baked pseudo-spiritual fallacy, coated with some philosophical crap to appeal more to non-thinking individuals.

Even more so detrimental is to state that war is peace. What a load of bisonshit.

Moronic pseudo-reasoning Wrote:

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH (strength is drawn from avoiding the confusion stemming from ones own incompetent ideals)

Now, you must be joking... right? You can't be serious in this motherfucker. Ignorance is strength? TO WHOM, for God's sake? Your ignorance benefits whom? And how much so, compared to your intelligence?

A nescient modern cattle, willfully and ignorantly accepting the programming perpetrated by the farmers — has it any strength? If so, what kind of strength, and who benefits from it? The farmers, or the nescient cattle?

The way the phrase is put may turn the lukewarm or the undeveloped into deliberate numbskulls destitute of their own volition to choose to approach perfection.

Do you know what this moronic pseudo-reasoning tells you, deep down? Be an idiot and you'll be strong. In other words, have fewer tools to choose (so you may not upset the farmers) and the belief of strength will be provided to you.

What a load of crap. I expected deeper reasoning to come from you, zedro.

Ummm...please re-read my post but with the bias that the Orwell quotes are from my polar opposing point of view. It's exactly the opposite of what I believe....I'm still who you expected me to be (well, except you don't like my narrative style apparently )

(02-18-2021, 03:06 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: I got triggered. Sorry. These topics hurt me in a very specific way.

(02-18-2021, 09:50 AM)MrWho Wrote: The only answer to "evil" is to accept and love it. Whatever one may seem to observe as, "evil".

(02-18-2021, 09:50 AM)MrWho Wrote: The only answer to "evil" is to accept and love it. Whatever one may seem to observe as, "evil".

(02-18-2021, 02:37 PM)ScottK Wrote:

(02-18-2021, 09:50 AM)MrWho Wrote: The only answer to "evil" is to accept and love it. Whatever one may seem to observe as, "evil".

So a burglar breaks into your house with a gun drawn, rapes your wife, steals your valuables, and you respond by saying you love them?

(02-18-2021, 02:37 PM)ScottK Wrote:

(02-18-2021, 09:50 AM)MrWho Wrote: The only answer to "evil" is to accept and love it. Whatever one may seem to observe as, "evil".

So a burglar breaks into your house with a gun drawn, rapes your wife, steals your valuables, and you respond by saying you love them?

Quote:Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. In your individual growth patterns appear the basic third-density choice. Further, there are overlaid memories of the positive polarizations of your home density. Thus your particular orientation is strongly polarized towards service to others and has attained wisdom as well as compassion.

You do not have merely two opposite requests for service. You will find an infinite array of contradictory requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen carefully to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly, of the Creator rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multitudinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

Quote:Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel an emotional response when being attacked by the other-self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

(02-18-2021, 02:37 PM)ScottK Wrote:

(02-18-2021, 09:50 AM)MrWho Wrote: The only answer to "evil" is to accept and love it. Whatever one may seem to observe as, "evil".

So a burglar breaks into your house with a gun drawn, rapes your wife, steals your valuables, and you respond by saying you love them?

Quote:Questioner: Could you tell me how the various bodies, red through violet, are linked to the energy center, centers, red through violet? Are they linked in some way?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.
As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

(02-18-2021, 04:49 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(02-18-2021, 02:37 PM)ScottK Wrote:

(02-18-2021, 09:50 AM)MrWho Wrote: The only answer to "evil" is to accept and love it. Whatever one may seem to observe as, "evil".

So a burglar breaks into your house with a gun drawn, rapes your wife, steals your valuables, and you respond by saying you love them?

Probably not, not at first at least.  BUT I wish I could do that.  If not love, then at least forgive.

(02-18-2021, 05:24 PM)Minyatur Wrote: ...I don't think it means to feel joyful, more like a compassionate sorrow for yourself within the patterns of this other-selves...

Quote:Questioner: How did Jesus learn this during his incarnation?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity learned the ability by a natural kind of remembering at a very young age. Unfortunately, this entity first discovered his ability to penetrate intelligent infinity by becoming the distortion you call “angry” at a playmate. This entity was touched by the entity known as Jesus to you and was fatally wounded.

Thus the one known as Jesus became aware that there dwelt in him a terrible potential. This entity determined to discover how to use this energy for the good, not for the negative. This entity was extremely positively polarized and remembered more than most Wanderers do.

(02-18-2021, 02:38 PM)Minyatur Wrote:

(02-18-2021, 02:37 PM)ScottK Wrote:

(02-18-2021, 09:50 AM)MrWho Wrote: The only answer to "evil" is to accept and love it. Whatever one may seem to observe as, "evil".

So a burglar breaks into your house with a gun drawn, rapes your wife, steals your valuables, and you respond by saying you love them?

Well from the material's point of view, if you were perfectly balanced that is correct.

Then again, who is the perfectly balanced entity.

(02-18-2021, 06:54 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-18-2021, 02:38 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Well from the material's point of view, if you were perfectly balanced that is correct.

Then again, who is the perfectly balanced entity.

I'm not sure the material even fully advocates that (assuming no action, just observation and love). Because if we are all one, then me stopping the attacker (also me) with the minimum amount of violence required (because the prime me is STO and wants to minimize karma) is perfectly acceptable, because I'm trying to protect the other other me, and the attacker me could have been just seeking that counter catalyst........because it's all me, right?

This is the folly of trying to follow 6d precepts in 3d, because we can just end up spiritually bypassing catalysts instead of experiencing the inherent paradoxes and learning from it. If the answer to every question is just "we are one!", then I don't think we are making the best out of this incarnation here. This 3d experiment to me is a systematic exercise in the discovery of moral juxtapositions. Real lessons are earned, cheat sheets and crib notes are just that. The imbalances are a feature, and not a bug.

Quote:42.4 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel an emotional response when being attacked by the other-self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

(02-18-2021, 09:50 AM)MrWho Wrote: The only answer to "evil" is to accept and love it. Whatever one may seem to observe as, "evil".

(02-19-2021, 06:38 PM)heartovthesun Wrote: "Love is the highest elevation of understanding."

(02-19-2021, 11:19 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 06:38 PM)heartovthesun Wrote: "Love is the highest elevation of understanding."

Define love.

(02-19-2021, 11:49 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 11:19 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 06:38 PM)heartovthesun Wrote: "Love is the highest elevation of understanding."

Define love.

There is nothing else.

(02-20-2021, 12:16 AM)zedro Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 11:49 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 11:19 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 06:38 PM)heartovthesun Wrote: "Love is the highest elevation of understanding."

Define love.

There is nothing else.

Still not a definition

(02-20-2021, 10:02 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(02-20-2021, 12:16 AM)zedro Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 11:49 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 11:19 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 06:38 PM)heartovthesun Wrote: "Love is the highest elevation of understanding."

Define love.

There is nothing else.

Still not a definition

However you define Love, it's not just that.

Quote:15.21 ▶ Questioner: Well, in yesterday’s material you stated “we offer the Law of One, the solving of paradoxes.” You also mentioned earlier that the first paradox, or the first distortion I meant, was the distortion of free will. Could you tell me if there’s a sequence? Is there a first, second, third, fourth distortion of the Law of One?


Ra: I am Ra. Only up to a very short point. After this point, the many-ness of distortions are equal one to another. The first distortion, free will, finds focus. This is the second distortion known to you as Logos, the Creative Principle or Love. This intelligent energy thus creates a distortion known as Light. From these three distortions come many, many hierarchies of distortions, each having its own paradoxes to be synthesized, no one being more important than another.

(02-20-2021, 12:59 PM)Diana Wrote:

(02-20-2021, 10:02 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(02-20-2021, 12:16 AM)zedro Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 11:49 PM)Patrick Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 11:19 PM)zedro Wrote: Define love.

There is nothing else.

Still not a definition

However you define Love, it's not just that.

I agree with you Patrick. I don't think we can begin to understand the second distortion of this existence in 3D. Not to mention the word "love" is so hijacked in human language to define human feelings.....