(09-07-2020, 01:15 PM)Glow Wrote: Aion I really appreciate your use of quotes and insight.
Seems I should do a reread.

(09-07-2020, 02:35 PM)Glow Wrote: I find the word evil has so many underlying connotations which maybe aren’t helpful or truly reflective.

Perhaps it’s easier to see it with less bias when it’s called seperation or perhaps that’s me wanting to dilute/sugar coat the extremes the experience of separation can be.

Either way since the one separated into two, each carry a loss of unity and that is more than enough wound/loss/shadow to fuel any experience of STS or STO exploration. It does all come back to a shadow of a wound. That’s why all goes back to 1, reunion. The path of separation ends.

(09-07-2020, 02:39 PM)Aion Wrote:

(09-07-2020, 01:15 PM)Glow Wrote: Aion I really appreciate your use of quotes and insight.
Seems I should do a reread.

Honestly I don't even really read it much anymore except when I'm going for quotes but for whatever reason my mind reaches to it for references.
I think because it's so closely aligned with my natural thoughts that my brain is like "well why reinvent the wheel, Ra said this perfectly".

I like when I go for a quote and then see one that I forgot about and then I end up going for a hunt and reading a bunch.

I actually tend to use the search function of lawofone.info a lot. I find it a lot more interesting to look up particular words and see the different things said.
That's how I pull most of my quotes actually, like the previous post where I talk about pain I literally just put "pain" in the search to find what I was looking for.
Usually I'll have an at least vague idea of the thing Ra said and could paraphrase but I prefer to use it as a chance to double check that I am remembering correctly.

Quote:46.9 Questioner: Certainly.

Ra: The entity polarizing positively perceives the anger. This entity, if using this catalyst mentally, blesses and loves this anger in itself. It then intensifies this anger consciously in mind alone until the folly of this red-ray energy is perceived not as folly in itself but as energy subject to spiritual entropy due to the randomness of energy being used.

Positive orientation then provides the will and faith to continue this mentally intense experience of letting the anger be understood, accepted, and integrated with the mind/body/spirit complex. The other-self which is the object of anger is thus transformed into an object of acceptance, understanding, and accommodation, all being reintegrated using the great energy which anger began.

The negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complex will use this anger in a similarly conscious fashion, refusing to accept the undirected or random energy of anger and instead, through will and faith, funneling this energy into a practical means of venting the negative aspect of this emotion so as to obtain control over other-self, or otherwise control the situation causing anger.

Control is the key to negatively polarized use of catalyst. Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst. Between these polarities lies the potential for this random and undirected energy creating a bodily complex analog of what you call the cancerous growth of tissue.

Quote:7.17 Questioner: I’m trying to understand how a group such as the Orion group would progress. I was of the opinion that a closer understanding of the Law of One created the condition of acceptability moving say from our third density to the fourth in our transition now, and I’m trying to understand how it would be possible, if you were in the Orion group, and pointed toward self-service, how you would progress, say, from the third density to the fourth. What learning would be necessary for that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of length for this instrument at this time.

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. This is, however, true of this octave of densities. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve.

The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

Quote:always had this idea that the STS path is a path which at its core has a deep sense of separation from self with the self, something the self cannot forgive or accept within itself and turns away from its core nature.

(09-07-2020, 03:24 PM)Great Central Sun Wrote: There is a theory that we have been everyone. So we have been evil too.

Quote:83.16 Questioner: What techniques and methods of penetration of the veil were planned and are there any others that have occurred other than those planned?

Ra: I am Ra. There were none planned by the first great experiment. As all experiments, this rested upon the nakedness of hypothesis. The outcome was unknown. It was discovered, experientially and empirically, that there were as many ways to penetrate the veil as the imagination of mind/body/spirit complexes could provide. The desire of mind/body/spirit complexes to know that which was unknown drew to them the dreaming and the gradual opening to the seeker of all of the balancing mechanisms leading to adepthood and communication with teach/learners which could pierce this veil.

The various unmanifested activities of the self were found to be productive in some degree of penetration of the veil. In general, we may say that by far the most vivid and even extravagant opportunities for the piercing of the veil are a result of the interaction of polarized entities.

Quote:77.17 Questioner: Now, would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, there was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function only of this positive polarization evolving from our original creation of sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

Quote:There is balance within all. What causes the great dissension is a similar situation to putting together matter and anti-matter. They cannot mingle, they cannot mix in harmony, they cannot blend, they become destructive to each other

(08-16-2020, 06:49 PM)Patrick Wrote: It occurs to me that Evil might have been invented by mistake.  I know there are no mistakes, so instead let's say it was invented by surprise then.

My intuition tells me that The One Infinite Creator (Love) does indeed exist even without a polar opposite (Fear).

As Ra says in 77.19:

Quote:...The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced...

I do not believe the intent of that Logos was to create evil/fear when the veil was invented.  So I believe Evil was pretty much invented by mistake.  Of course, now that STS does exist, we make the better of it, we learn from it and use it to contrast God's Love with it so that we see how great his Love is.  There was no need/intent to contrast it to that extent.

My hope now is that there will be no need to repeat this type of experience in the next Octave.  Imagine trying to invent ways of contrasting the true nature of the Creator with even more separation, fear, suffering and sorrow than what is already possible in this octave.

So, for the next octave, I cast my vote for a design where all experiences are ALWAYS fun.  There has to be ways of contrasting/polarizing efficiently without STS.  Things we can't even imagine at the moment.

My friends, what are your thoughts on the subject ?

(08-29-2020, 11:37 PM)Black Dragon Wrote:

(08-16-2020, 07:34 PM)Aion Wrote: The issue comes when you realize you can choose to be the spider or the fly. More interesting when you realize you are both.

What if I'd just rather be like a stegosaur or triceratops and say f*** you to the whole predator/prey dynamic...don't go out and eat others but don't just passively let myself or others I care about be eaten without a fight? If that's who I really am as a person in my heart and my principles, and I don't believe in the virtue of a system of predators and prey other than as an engine to generate misery...then am I not "good enough" to evolve in the polarity system? Am I an ignoramus in the sinkhole of indifference because I consciously cannot bring myself to conform to such a system that conflicts with my heart-centered and transcendent principles? To me, the sinkhole of indifference would be not knowing or caring there's a choice to be made. What about seeing two bad choices and consciously choosing an option that's neither?

I'm thinking maybe it's not as much a third divergent path, but more of a difference in how I define certain aspects of what it means to be STO. Out of STS and STO, I'd consider myself STO. I would like to express that in a way that does not automatically correspond to "prey" or "martyrdom". If that makes me a bit of a rebel in the eyes of the logos or whole polarity dynamic, so be it. Those are my principles, and no authority will coerce me to relinquish them to earn brownie points in some polarity game. If anything with my viewpoint or principles changes, it is of my own free will and volition, and because I've consciously seen a new perspective, not because I "have to" in order to fit some other being or system's definition of polarity progress.

Honestly, I'd rather be a symbiotic being in a win-win symbiotic system where everyone works together and doesn't "eat each other"-but if I'm forced to live in a reality where there is a predator/prey dynamic and I'm unable to fully realize that symbiotic way of life, than I'd at least rather be the stegosaur than some ravening wolf or pitiful sheep. I feel deep down that I've had enough life times as both to realize I don't want to be either.

(09-07-2020, 04:08 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Outside of evil, a lot in this thread is about suffering, but it is not like humans created suffering nor did the veil put it in place. Suffering is its own part of nature, remove all of humanity and 3D experience from Earth and you will still have animals that hunt other animals, hurt meaninglessly other animals, have accidents and became stranded to die alone, perhaps of a fever or lack of food. Humans are a whole lot in the image of the nature from which they come, simply wielding a different level of power and without natural predators to balance them out on the short term. Then again, the entire idea of 3D is to allow a place for the Creator to have the honor/duty to learn as this role within such a planet, to make its mistakes and grow through them in the eternal discovery of the Creator as the Creator.

(09-09-2020, 11:08 AM)Patrick Wrote:  
Is it possible that animals did not attack other animals before this planet was influenced negatively by us ?  Or maybe Orion was even influencing second density on this planet before 3D began ?

(09-09-2020, 11:08 AM)Patrick Wrote:  
Is it possible that animals did not attack other animals before this planet was influenced negatively by us ?  Or maybe Orion was even influencing second density on this planet before 3D began ?

Quote:19.15 Questioner: Then the newest third-density beings who’ve just made the transition from second are still strongly biased towards self-service. There must be many other mechanisms to create an awareness of the possibility of service to others.
I am wondering, first— two things. I’m wondering about the mechanism and I am wondering when the split takes place where the entity is able to continue on the road towards service to self that will eventually take him to fourth or fifth density.
I would assume that an entity can continue— can start, say, in second density with service totally to self and continue right on through and just stay on what we would call the path of service to self and never ever be pulled over. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The second-density concept of serving self includes the serving of those associated with tribe or pack. This is not seen in second density as separation of self and other-self. All is seen as self since in some forms of second-density entities, if the tribe or pack becomes weakened, so does the entity within the tribe or pack.

The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

Quote:20.4 Questioner: Then can you give me an example of an entity in third density that was just previously a second-density entity? What type of entity do they become here?

Ra: I am Ra. As a second-density entity returns as third-density for the beginning of this process of learning, the entity is equipped with the lowest, if you will so call these vibrational distortions, forms of third-density consciousness; that is, equipped with self-consciousness.

Quote:21.9 Questioner: Now, when the 75,000-year cycle started, [the] life span was approximately nine hundred years, average. What was the process and scheduling of— mechanism, shall I say, of reincarnation at that time, and how did the time in between incarnations into third-density physical apply to the growth of the mind/body/spirit complex?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is more complex than most. We shall begin. The incarnation pattern of the beginning third-density mind/body/spirit complex begins in darkness, for you may think or consider of your density as one of, as you may say, a sleep and a forgetting. This is the only plane of forgetting. It is necessary for the third-density entity to forget so that the mechanisms of confusion or free will may operate upon the newly individuated consciousness complex.

Thus, the beginning entity is one in all innocence oriented towards animalistic behavior using other-selves only as extensions of self for the preservation of the all-self. The entity becomes slowly aware that it has needs, shall we say, that are not animalistic; that is, that are useless for survival. These needs include: the need for companionship, the need for laughter, the need for beauty, the need to know the universe about it. These are the beginning needs.

As the incarnations begin to accumulate, further needs are discovered: the need to trade, the need to love, the need to be loved, the need to elevate animalistic behaviors to a more universal perspective.

During the first portion of third-density cycles, incarnations are automatic and occur rapidly upon the cessation of energy complex of the physical vehicle. There is small need to review or to heal the experiences of the incarnation. As, what you would call, the energy centers begin to be activated to a higher extent, more of the content of experience during incarnation deals with the lessons of love.

Thus the time, as you may understand it, between incarnations is lengthened to give appropriate attention to the review and the healing of experiences of the previous incarnation. At some point in third density, the green-ray energy center becomes activated and at that point incarnation ceases to be automatic.

Quote:42.3 Questioner: I will attempt to make an analogy. If an animal, shall I say a bull in a pen, attacks you because you have wandered into his pen, you get out of his way rapidly but you do not blame him. Or, you do not have much of an emotional response other than the fear response that he might damage you. However, if you encounter another self in his territory and he attacks you, your response may be more of an emotional nature creating physical bodily responses. Am I correct in assuming that when your response to the animal and to the other-self seeing both as the Creator and loving both and understanding their action in attacking you is the action of their free will then you have balanced yourself correctly in this area? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct. However, the balanced entity will see in the seeming attack of an other-self the causes of this action which are, in most cases, of a more complex nature than the cause of the attack of the second-density bull as was your example. Thus this balanced entity would be open to many more opportunities for service to a third-density other-self.

(09-09-2020, 03:11 PM)Patrick Wrote: Somehow, I have to stop judging these things I find issue with.  It's not even touching my sphere of influence much.  It should be easy to just live and let live.  But it's like these apparent issues on this planet are calling for my help and at the same time all I believe I can offer is rejected.

So I find myself a bit lost.  Help being requested and what I think is being asked of me being rejected leaving me wondering what is actually asked of me?  Is this planet asking me to come here with my point of view and to change my point of view until the planet no longer feels judged by me?  Nothing on this planet would have been "fixed", but it would mean one less entity judging the planet and just loving it just as it is.  OR am I supposed to DO something in order to help?

Ra 80.10 Wrote:...It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves...