(10-02-2020, 04:00 AM)flofrog Wrote: Very interesting thread.  May I add, if we have been in this site for some years it’s mostly evident that we all feel not because of that, somewhat more advanced... lol. There’s at least in my case the feeling I learn from here something all the time.

I am also with this image that even if new members are just finding out about the Ra material, posting somehow their enthusiasm or joy or feeling that they find something thaT resonates at last with them, may just be because they have already found that they have inside that love/wisdom we all have.  I think that’s why I am still so happy to visit this forum.

Just wanted to add this.

(10-02-2020, 07:19 PM)J.W. Wrote:

(10-02-2020, 04:00 AM)flofrog Wrote: Very interesting thread.  May I add, if we have been in this site for some years it’s mostly evident that we all feel not because of that, somewhat more advanced... lol. There’s at least in my case the feeling I learn from here something all the time.

I am also with this image that even if new members are just finding out about the Ra material, posting somehow their enthusiasm or joy or feeling that they find something thaT resonates at last with them, may just be because they have already found that they have inside that love/wisdom we all have.  I think that’s why I am still so happy to visit this forum.

Just wanted to add this.

Thank you for the input Flo,

You are right, the "seniority" perception comes from the "format" and "design" of this forum, showing the numbers of "likes, posts, time joined." isn't completely beneficial from what I can tell, it creates this "hierarchy" energy for the account holder and the new members seeing it. I hope L/L could remove such feature in the future, so it doesn't influence the "ego" on some members, and allow the energy of equilibrium to take place among whoever participate.

The messages I provide are in a sense ... "where they should be." Those who sees it and resonate with the message are meant to.

This goes by the "logic" of other density where space/time and time/space has no effects. Only what meant to be... meant to be.

I am glad you stay positive and remain happy through your visits, it is good to keep a "motivation" for "seeking" no matter what the intention is behind it, love, entertainment, boredom, etc. etc.

Water becomes stale if it is stagnant.

As always, with love and with light Flo.

(10-24-2020, 08:20 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: Can you identify any place, anywhere in this Earth, that is not organized hierarchically?

(10-24-2020, 08:20 AM)meadow-foreigner Wrote:

(10-02-2020, 07:19 PM)J.W. Wrote:

(10-02-2020, 04:00 AM)flofrog Wrote: Very interesting thread.  May I add, if we have been in this site for some years it’s mostly evident that we all feel not because of that, somewhat more advanced... lol. There’s at least in my case the feeling I learn from here something all the time.

I am also with this image that even if new members are just finding out about the Ra material, posting somehow their enthusiasm or joy or feeling that they find something thaT resonates at last with them, may just be because they have already found that they have inside that love/wisdom we all have.  I think that’s why I am still so happy to visit this forum.

Just wanted to add this.

Thank you for the input Flo,

You are right, the "seniority" perception comes from the "format" and "design" of this forum, showing the numbers of "likes, posts, time joined." isn't completely beneficial from what I can tell, it creates this "hierarchy" energy for the account holder and the new members seeing it. I hope L/L could remove such feature in the future, so it doesn't influence the "ego" on some members, and allow the energy of equilibrium to take place among whoever participate.

The messages I provide are in a sense ... "where they should be." Those who sees it and resonate with the message are meant to.

This goes by the "logic" of other density where space/time and time/space has no effects. Only what meant to be... meant to be.

I am glad you stay positive and remain happy through your visits, it is good to keep a "motivation" for "seeking" no matter what the intention is behind it, love, entertainment, boredom, etc. etc.

Water becomes stale if it is stagnant.

As always, with love and with light Flo.

Can you identify any place, anywhere in this Earth, that is not organized hierarchically? Do you truly believe that human beings operate outside of the notion of the attribution of value, of gradation of importance or worth? This goes all way back to Egypt, such as The Book of the Dead, where slowly but surely some people corrupted the Knowledge.

Such is the STS mentality. Pyramidal, in its essence. Stratifier in its structure, and thus prone to implosion and failure.

We call such mentality obsolete.

(10-31-2020, 11:22 AM)houtje Wrote: if all being involved, willingly accept their position, rooted in strong STO polarisation... you can't really call the hierarchy a hierarchy, right?

A hierarchy, in human terms, we view power increasing as you go towards the top. But this is a STS distortion.

Because there is no true difference in power. Because the choice of the beings at the bottom, directly impacts the beings above and vice versa. Notice that Ra felt responsible for aiding in the great Egyptian distortion. From that experience, Ra learned that it has to be more careful in exercising its power over lower beings. Because even though Ra's intent was most likely very much polarised towards STO, it still created an opportunity to backfire. And this backfiring caused a form of guilt or responsibility within Ra because it is Ra's choice to be STO. But its good intentions basically went against its STO aspiration/seeking.

Ra makes no distinction between what you would call humanity's failure and its own failure. Of course, Ra doesn't think in terms of failure. But it is was to make the point that Ra is a servant of humanity. And likewise we are a servant to Ra. Don't view servant as something like a slave in this context. View it as the capacity a politician should embody towards the people he servers. Remember: teach/learn, learn/teach. Ra teaches us, we learn; and as we learn, we teach Ra so that Ra can learn. We're in this together! So the distortion of hierarchy doesn't even make sense.

Is a cell in brain more important than a cell in your gut? No. If either cell gets corrupted and creates a cancer, you'll likely end up dead. Both cells are equally important. They have different functions, but if either one goes corrupt, the whole body is FUXXED.

Anyone who understands the Law of One can see that the highest of beings is no more than the smallest grain of sand. They are one and the same.

(08-14-2020, 03:22 AM)J.W. Wrote:

(08-13-2020, 05:20 AM)happy tears Wrote: J.W., thanks for the insight in this time of confusion. As a new seeker myself, I am finding it hard to navigate muddy waters. I'd like to ask for clarification about something you said, regarding STS "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" seeking monetary gain. Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?

I'm only asking as I'm contemplating a career path where I can somehow aid people, but am very weary about charging for my services. If that is the case, how does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?

- Hello Happy Tears,

Thank you for your comment and light,

To answer your query without infringing your freewill, I must first request that you seek the "balance" in your own definition and understanding of "exchange" for your service. I understand the "job/living" system that exist on this planet creates a confusion on where the line is drawn between "selfish and selfless."

Using myself for example, in my own understanding, "helping" others, doesn't require me to make it into a job, to have a heart-to-heart conversation with other-selves is a "service" or "helping"

Now while doing this, I get thirsty, then I drink water because I have been talking to the other-selves. That is what I need, for "sustaining" my own comfort and existence.

Without going deeper, I hope you find some introspection from my words.

A career, is like a hunter going out to hunt and brings food home, so he/she and his/her family can survive. But to go out and help his/her neighbor to build a house or watch over the dog etc. etc. That is a service to others.

I hope this helps,

To further understanding this, I would recommend you to reach out to Gary Fung at https://plenumhealer.wordpress.com/
and brings your curiosity/insight on how he provides his services-to-others. He is a genuinely gentle soul, he won't bite ;]

And with that, as always, With Love and Light Happy tears.

(11-29-2020, 07:14 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(08-14-2020, 03:22 AM)J.W. Wrote:

(08-13-2020, 05:20 AM)happy tears Wrote: J.W., thanks for the insight in this time of confusion. As a new seeker myself, I am finding it hard to navigate muddy waters. I'd like to ask for clarification about something you said, regarding STS "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" seeking monetary gain. Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?

I'm only asking as I'm contemplating a career path where I can somehow aid people, but am very weary about charging for my services. If that is the case, how does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?

- Hello Happy Tears,

Thank you for your comment and light,

To answer your query without infringing your freewill, I must first request that you seek the "balance" in your own definition and understanding of "exchange" for your service. I understand the "job/living" system that exist on this planet creates a confusion on where the line is drawn between "selfish and selfless."

Using myself for example, in my own understanding, "helping" others, doesn't require me to make it into a job, to have a heart-to-heart conversation with other-selves is a "service" or "helping"

Now while doing this, I get thirsty, then I drink water because I have been talking to the other-selves. That is what I need, for "sustaining" my own comfort and existence.

Without going deeper, I hope you find some introspection from my words.

A career, is like a hunter going out to hunt and brings food home, so he/she and his/her family can survive. But to go out and help his/her neighbor to build a house or watch over the dog etc. etc. That is a service to others.

I hope this helps,

To further understanding this, I would recommend you to reach out to Gary Fung at https://plenumhealer.wordpress.com/
and brings your curiosity/insight on how he provides his services-to-others. He is a genuinely gentle soul, he won't bite ;]

And with that, as always, With Love and Light Happy tears.

How can you infringe on the free will of another in an open discussion? You are not attempting to silence the other self from speaking or hearing your response. The discussion is "open".

(11-30-2020, 01:41 PM)J.W. Wrote:

(11-29-2020, 07:14 PM)Ohr Ein Sof Wrote:

(08-14-2020, 03:22 AM)J.W. Wrote:

(08-13-2020, 05:20 AM)happy tears Wrote: J.W., thanks for the insight in this time of confusion. As a new seeker myself, I am finding it hard to navigate muddy waters. I'd like to ask for clarification about something you said, regarding STS "gurus" "life coach" "healers" "mediums" "motivational speaker" seeking monetary gain. Does this mean that charging for service in those areas render it invalid for STO?

I'm only asking as I'm contemplating a career path where I can somehow aid people, but am very weary about charging for my services. If that is the case, how does one sustain themselves physically without feeling like they're ripping people off?

- Hello Happy Tears,

Thank you for your comment and light,

To answer your query without infringing your freewill, I must first request that you seek the "balance" in your own definition and understanding of "exchange" for your service. I understand the "job/living" system that exist on this planet creates a confusion on where the line is drawn between "selfish and selfless."

Using myself for example, in my own understanding, "helping" others, doesn't require me to make it into a job, to have a heart-to-heart conversation with other-selves is a "service" or "helping"

Now while doing this, I get thirsty, then I drink water because I have been talking to the other-selves. That is what I need, for "sustaining" my own comfort and existence.

Without going deeper, I hope you find some introspection from my words.

A career, is like a hunter going out to hunt and brings food home, so he/she and his/her family can survive. But to go out and help his/her neighbor to build a house or watch over the dog etc. etc. That is a service to others.

I hope this helps,

To further understanding this, I would recommend you to reach out to Gary Fung at https://plenumhealer.wordpress.com/
and brings your curiosity/insight on how he provides his services-to-others. He is a genuinely gentle soul, he won't bite ;]

And with that, as always, With Love and Light Happy tears.

How can you infringe on the free will of another in an open discussion? You are not attempting to silence the other self from speaking or hearing your response. The discussion is "open".

The "infringement" comes from yours/mine actions and words.... If I sit here and don't respond to you, then you have all the freewill to think how you want of me and how this discussion goes. But the moment I say something, I injected my essence and energy into this, which "influence" you to respond back to me based on my words/actions.

That is the "infringement"

Ra's group interacting with Don, Carla, and Jim is a form of infringement, and you can see that they tried their very best to withhold some information to prevent that. Their communication with Don was also "open" there was no real "restrictions" to what Don can or cannot ask.


Vibration = resonance = distortion = action = etc. etc. etc.

Literally, to not infringe is to not say, or do anything and remain still.

But that is also not 100% correct. Because the opposing energy will always try to force a "balance"

Ohr Ein Sof, I hope this helps.

Judaism, or any religions at all can be seen as "freeing" of one's soul or path. But if you look closely, the kabbalah itself has "specific" paths which at times seems "rigid" but "not." since all paths are connected except one.

to come full circle back to your question, about how is a "open" discussion can cause infringement of freewill.

This comes down to the understanding of the duality of our polarity, the vibration of the universe, and a central point of divinity that exist in all of us where our own vibration are the same as the infinite creator.

Imagine talking to yourself in the mirror, even though it seems silly, but you are telling yourself something valuable that has effect on your psyche. We can ask, how does a conversation with one-self causes their perspective to change?


Hope this helps, and didn't spin your mind too much. Spiraling seems to be the nature of existence, haha I joke.

With love and light, Ohr Ein Sof.

(12-02-2020, 12:27 AM)J.W. Wrote: We all are Ohr Ein Sof, we all are.

When you reach כֶּתֶר‎ through your prayer and contemplation, let me know.

(12-05-2020, 05:53 AM)Ovindu Wrote: Thank you soo much, L\L research team has inspired me to make my own YouTube channel. I love all of you and I hope that this love manifests for you.

Just a note, I find forgiveness of others to be a great way to myself and I'm sure that you might like it too. There are people in our lives, in any one's life that 'cause' suffering or there are people that we simply don't like, this could be certain politicians but I find that forgiving those people create happiness in me. Here is my technique:

- Get into a shallow meditative state (you may use binaural beats) you don't need to meditate for more than 15 minutes
- There are two things you can do after this meditation:
   - Choose someone to forgive
   - Imagine the Earth/Some entity in the happiest possible circumstance

The first option can be done by imagining the person to be forgiven in your head, and mentally stop judging them. Then you may do a technique like Ho'oponopono. Let go of anger for holding anger creates more anger.

The second option is pretty easy to understand, just imagine all of the 'problems' with the Earth/entity then slowly visualise them getting naturally resolved and then feel the happiness that the Earth collective or the other entity might feel upon the 'problems' being resolved.

(I don't know what Ra says about forgiveness but could you please inform me about Ra's perspective on forgiveness as a method for simple healing please?)

Please find your own Resonance in this. It is recommended to tweak my practice so that you can find what works for you. Also can you describe some of your own practices so that I might be able to try them?
Thank you and Much love,
                                    Ovindu

(12-06-2020, 09:19 PM)meadow-foreigner Wrote: Forgiveness of others is important, but hast thou forgiven thy own self?

Quote:11.8 Questioner: Is there anyone in our history that is commonly known who went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type planet or who will go there?

Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.

34.2 Questioner: Thank you very much. We’ll start general questioning now. You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates this experience? Can you tell me this?

Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.

(09-09-2020, 09:03 PM)Patrick Wrote:  
And thank you mods for the time you freely give in working here.  Because it's work!  I'm having fun here, but being a moderator, well the fun part would be gone for me.  So thanks !!!