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RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Minyatur - 05-28-2018
(05-28-2018, 07:28 AM)buket Wrote: what q'uo mentioned. Same soul but different mind and body
I think there's 2 manners to go about parallel incarnations. One is to enter the same time/space from two different moments from outside of it and the other is to separate spirit using some Law. If I wanted 6 parallel incarnations I'd probably dualize spirit upon masculine/feminine and then use a form of law of 3 to further separate those into 3 aspects each. You can think of it like using a prism, where you end up with separate aspects that together make up the very same essece, yet also containing it each in their focus.
We use separation to live stories, to make what is whole experience itself as alike it was not. Male/female is a very big thematic on Earth where the idea of being without your second half often shatters down to the red ray an individual, there's a reason for that. The separation from Logos is far from us, people are affected by separation closer to them into this experience.
Another way to see it, everything is a unified spirit and so everything you know is literally a hierachical play of separating spirit from itself to give color to experience. The journey always is the striving for reunion. There is no masculine/feminine energies unless you dualize what is neither into its potential of both, thus everything in separation ever remains One truly.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Sprout - 05-28-2018
Just what is a soul? And how different is it from spirit? Twice in the material Ra says "soul or spirit". So if a soul can't be defined as anything different than the spirit, then we are all one soul. Such as Ra. (Unless you are from a different soul group, containing millions/billions mind/body/spirit complexes.)
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - buket - 05-29-2018
(05-28-2018, 01:25 PM)Sprout Wrote: Just what is a soul? And how different is it from spirit? Twice in the material Ra says "soul or spirit". So if a soul can't be defined as anything different than the spirit, then we are all one soul. Such as Ra. (Unless you are from a different soul group, containing millions/billions mind/body/spirit complexes.)
Then what is special about parallel incarnations?
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Sprout - 05-29-2018
I don't know or think that it sounds as it was meant, or rather, it has many holes for high level manipulation.
This however sounds more likely as it actually helps in polarization. Mind/body/spirits that choose a preincarnative plan of male/female to assists each other in polarizing.
Quote:92.20 Questioner: The Matrix of the Mind is depicted seemingly as male on the card and the Potentiator as female. Could Ra state why this is and how this affects these two archetypes?
Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, as we have said, the Matrix of the Mind is attracted to the biological male and the Potentiator of the Mind to the biological female. Thusly in energy transfer the female is able to potentiate that which may be within the conscious mind of the male so that it may feel enspirited.
In a more general sense, that which reaches may be seen as a male principle. That which awaits the reaching may be seen as a female principle. The richness of the male and female system of polarity is interesting and we would not comment further but suggest consideration by the student
Quote:84.22 Questioner: Before the veil, were there— Let me put it this way: Did the Logos, or did most Logoi plan before the veil to create a system of random sexual activity or specific pairing of entities for periods of time, or did they have an objective in this respect?
Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.
The harvest from the previous creation was that which included the male and female mind/body/spirit. It was the intention of the original Logoi that entities mate with one another in any fashion which caused a greater polarization. It was determined, after observation of the process of many Logoi, that polarization increased many fold if the mating were not indiscriminate. Consequent Logoi thusly preserved a bias towards the mated relationship which is more characteristic of more disciplined personalities and of what you may call higher densities. The free will of each entity, however, was always paramount and a bias only could be offered.
May we ask if there may be any brief queries before we leave this instrument
Quote:87.24 Questioner: What was this ratio before the veil?
Ra: I am Ra. The ratio of male to female orgasms before the veil was closer to one-to-one by a great deal as the metaphysical value of the female orgasm was clear and without shadow.
Quote:89.36 Questioner: What was the reason for the wandering of these two Wanderers, and were they male and female?
Ra: I am Ra. All Wanderers come to be of assistance in serving the Creator, each in its own way. The Wanderers of which we have been speaking were indeed incarnated male and female as this is by far the most efficient system of partnership.
There is a lot more disscussed on this subject by Ra.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - buket - 05-29-2018
The original question is below. I have difficulty in understanding the last sentences. Can you explain:
I am wondering if it is possible to meet yourself in the form of another person in this life?
I am Q'uo and am aware of your query, my brother. In the largest possible sense this is always true with each entity that you meet, for each entity is another self, an other aspect of your self and of the one creator from each aspects move into experience through the illusion. In the sense which we feel you are asking at this time we would also suggest that is also quite possible for entities to have the oppurtunity to interact with other portions of the self which have incarnated from other periods of the, as you would see it, river of time moving from one point to another. However we would suggest that this experience is one which has the purpose of allowing each aspect of the larger self to integrate with another in order that there might be a more complete experience for that portion of the self which might be termed the oversoul or the higherself. This portion of each entity's self exists at a level of experience which can be seen as existing in your future. However it also is that which exists in what you see as your past. The experience of rach of its portions is undertaken in order that an overall balance might be achieved.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Sprout - 05-29-2018
I don't understand that part very much either. (Perhaps in a general sense that you are the higher/governing self of your past self as linear time progresses)
What I was conveying rather at is that there perhaps has been a distortion in communication/understanding between the questioner and Q'uo because the answer seems to speak more widely about the Law of One in action as you meet other-selves than a concept/theory question about actually meeting "yourself", because to higher vibrational entities there is no difference between a self and an other-self.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Glow - 05-31-2018
(05-28-2018, 07:28 AM)buket Wrote:I think it's literally the real meaning but it got twisted into something very ego based. I am always taught about "US" not as anything but a light/energy/exact frequency of the one that is/contains infinite frequencies. So multiple versions of the exact same frequency/heat/colour/spectrum of energy is pretty literally t.f.(05-27-2018, 11:21 AM)Glow Wrote:(05-27-2018, 10:10 AM)buket Wrote: Is this case twin flames?
Twin flame theology/ideology seems to be a tool of distraction for those nearly awake. I have been told rather clearly the theology surrounding the tf cult is not accurate and I think Q’uo says the same thing.
I don’t subscribe to the tf stuff, seems like it was put out as negative STS. propaganda promoting expectations, control and possession/ownership more than love but I can’t say if the name is where it originally came from or not.
I’d just avoid it.
But the idea is the same as what q'uo mentioned. Same soul but different mind and body
I'm going to steal Anagogy's "words are hard" I am taught through energy so "words are hard" hopefully the gist made sense.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Glow - 05-31-2018
(05-28-2018, 10:09 AM)Elros Wrote:(05-28-2018, 07:28 AM)buket Wrote: what q'uo mentioned. Same soul but different mind and body
I think there's 2 manners to go about parallel incarnations. One is to enter the same time/space from two different moments from outside of it and the other is to separate spirit using some Law. If I wanted 6 parallel incarnations I'd probably dualize spirit upon masculine/feminine and then use a form of law of 3 to further separate those into 3 aspects each. You can think of it like using a prism, where you end up with separate aspects that together make up the very same essece, yet also containing it each in their focus.
We use separation to live stories, to make what is whole experience itself as alike it was not. Male/female is a very big thematic on Earth where the idea of being without your second half often shatters down to the red ray an individual, there's a reason for that. The separation from Logos is far from us, people are affected by separation closer to them into this experience.
Another way to see it, everything is a unified spirit and so everything you know is literally a hierachical play of separating spirit from itself to give color to experience. The journey always is the striving for reunion. There is no masculine/feminine energies unless you dualize what is neither into its potential of both, thus everything in separation ever remains One truly.
I like all of this. It resonates with what I have taught and oddly the energy of your post came through exactly as the words. Like you channeled that or something. If that wasn't channeled were you told of the 6 parallel incarnation thing? That is specifically something I have been shown but I never saw it broken down like you did into why. Pretty friggen cool!!
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Glow - 05-31-2018
(05-29-2018, 04:55 AM)buket Wrote:(05-28-2018, 01:25 PM)Sprout Wrote: Just what is a soul? And how different is it from spirit? Twice in the material Ra says "soul or spirit". So if a soul can't be defined as anything different than the spirit, then we are all one soul. Such as Ra. (Unless you are from a different soul group, containing millions/billions mind/body/spirit complexes.)
Then what is special about parallel incarnations?
It is just an opportunity to work on or experience things with a specific portion of self. The prism thing Elros talked about is super accurate I have been shown it like the sun, one frequency/soul at source and all the colours of the prism radiating out, gradually differentiating the farther you get from source. I am not as good at wording my vision as Elros is so stick with Elros prism. lol
While we are here we are just self interacting with self in all different aspects. Every pebble is self so the combinations are infinite. Meeting exact frequency of self in different mind/body is just another of the infinite variations. It's not anymore special than another way. Just a different way which of course gives different lessons/experiences.
Personally as the experiencer I can say a lot of collective consciousness seem to forgive ourselves last for things.
This might be the purpose of doing it this way at least in my case.
We can extend forgiveness/compassion/nonjudgement to otherselves but we hold on to things we wish we hadn't done, or if we hurt people. This has been a really great way to confront that tendency for the part of the collective consciousness that forgives self last.
If I am interacting with my exact light and my exact light is being an a$$hole the experience of harboring no judgement against the exact you "outside you" really sets you up to stop judging the you "inside you". It also keeps you from thinking you are ANY better than any other aspect because wow in a different scenario you have seen first hand the trouble your own light can get into.
I need Elros to reword this.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Minyatur - 05-31-2018
(05-29-2018, 04:55 AM)buket Wrote: Then what is special about parallel incarnations?
I can think of a few advantages. First one would be exactly what wanderers gain from a veiled experience, that is to allow aspects of themselves that are shutdown or nullified in their wholeness' balance to find actual expression. I think this is somewhat why most sources, ones I've seen at least, talk about very intense stages of twin flame reunion, because the separate aspects have a form of expression that would be denied in their whole balance and there is a work to be done by the other aspects to accept that portion that was disallowed to be expressed to grow as it is, thus also growing itself, making the whole they are grow in turn. This is exactly how love/wisdom is balanced in 3D to the wanderer, there's aspects of love that quit being repressed by knowledge, or other aspects of love, and are allowed blindly to move as they will, when with too much conscious contrast to them it makes little sense for it to happen. In space/time it's a lot like you can be many things from one moment to another, while in time/space it's a lot like how you are is a constant within existence.
Another aspect is that it creates a colored/polarized dynamic with an equally great power for tension just as for resolving them, catalysts will make use of these dynamics to enable growth in the separate aspects. The pull created by this play of separation makes also perhaps more likely to move through the 3D egos into raising the planetary vibration to a much greater degree than would have been possible with these aspects all united in a single incarnation, while also healing aspects of the deeper self, the separation creates a drive of seeking in what feels to be missing which lead one to pierce through the illusion.
Ultimately there's just parallel incarnations with an illusionary sense of distance from yourself to yourself, so the question somewhat ends up with: what purpose is there in being many? I guess it boils down to knowing the self and growing as the self. 2 is 1 with 1, 3 is 1 with 1 with 1, 4 is 1 with 1 with 1 with 1, and so on with each 1 in relation to 1s with a potential for further division and reunion into realizing what 1 really is. The complexes of self know many many layers of diversifying the experience of what a self is and separation is resolved in layers upon many levels, although each focus is ultimately fundamental in its essence despite whatever hierarchical relationship it may have with itself found in another self. Everything and everyone is you in their own moment of a thought.
tl;dr. love/light light/love
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Sprout - 05-31-2018
Do you know why this is problematic? Firstly it says nothing about such a concept in the LOO material. Secondly, it abridges free will. And thirdly, who knows?
You have to really give this a little thought considering free will. For example.
By your analogy, a couple mind/body's living parallely of the same spirit complex at the same time right? Meaning they become one after death right?
Well what does that even mean to personal development in a veiled 3rd density?
How can one gain polarity and progress towards the creator in their own way? I.E.
What if one part achieves 95% STS? (Are all parts automatically harvested STS because the spirit is one?)
What if only a few parts achieve STO harvest? (Do all parts get harvested STO?)
What if one part is manipulated and sent to a different time/space and born in a negative space/time environment by the higher self? (Do all parts go there because in time/space it's one entity?
It just abridges free will, and has a LOT of space for manipulation.
Re-read Q'uo answer when asked parallel incarnations, the answer is so blurred and in-definitive as if it's talking to the oneness of all and not two parallel selves.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Sprout - 05-31-2018
And beside, how can you call your other part's an a-hole and then say you're non-judgemental?
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Glow - 06-01-2018
(05-31-2018, 11:09 PM)Sprout Wrote: And beside, how can you call your other part's an a-hole and then say you're non-judgemental?
I think we all behave in ways we wouldn’t if we weren’t scared or hurting.
That’s exactly why I don’t judge.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Glow - 06-01-2018
(05-31-2018, 11:01 PM)Sprout Wrote: Do you know why this is problematic? Firstly it says nothing about such a concept in the LOO material. Secondly, it abridges free will. And thirdly, who knows?
You have to really give this a little thought considering free will. For example.
By your analogy, a couple mind/body's living parallely of the same spirit complex at the same time right? Meaning they become one after death right?
Well what does that even mean to personal development in a veiled 3rd density?
How can one gain polarity and progress towards the creator in their own way? I.E.
What if one part achieves 95% STS? (Are all parts automatically harvested STS because the spirit is one?)
What if only a few parts achieve STO harvest? (Do all parts get harvested STO?)
What if one part is manipulated and sent to a different time/space and born in a negative space/time environment by the higher self? (Do all parts go there because in time/space it's one entity?
It just abridges free will, and has a LOT of space for manipulation.
Re-read Q'uo answer when asked parallel incarnations, the answer is so blurred and in-definitive as if it's talking to the oneness of all and not two parallel selves.
I have to go to work. I cannot really reply appropriately right now.
First I have already addressed the freewill earlier in conversation with you. Second the returning to one energy blob isn’t about everyone’s total energy but my frequentcy. I am not Glow. I inhabit Glow. Well big I does and the sum of what makes little i is contained within the whole of big I. I’m not talking harvest or being returned to the one.
Sometimes I forget to spell out every facet of what I’m saying but I have been shown repeatedly my own and the parallel going back into the one energy only to be called out again separated. Just because particules join doesn’t meant they can’t be called out again.
I have a huge day and have to go so cannot address everything but I wonder why you read a thread titled meeting yourself in this life if it bothers you much? You have free will not to.
Should I avoid discussing my experience on a thread clearly titled?
I’m not sure what you want me to do. Would you like this topic banned?
Or would you rather I just don’t share freely? I have avoided it for you several times on other threads for you but it doesn’t make much sense here on the one clearly titled.
If you have all these arguments about why it’s not real or right then that’s cool go with that. You don’t have to believe me, and I already said it doesn’t apply to most so just pick one of the 2 it isn’t something you believe or it doesn’t apply to most. Nothing to get to terribly upset about we all don’t have to agree.
Ok running late.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Sprout - 06-01-2018
(06-01-2018, 06:52 AM)Glow Wrote:(05-31-2018, 11:01 PM)Sprout Wrote: Do you know why this is problematic? Firstly it says nothing about such a concept in the LOO material. Secondly, it abridges free will. And thirdly, who knows?
You have to really give this a little thought considering free will. For example.
By your analogy, a couple mind/body's living parallely of the same spirit complex at the same time right? Meaning they become one after death right?
Well what does that even mean to personal development in a veiled 3rd density?
How can one gain polarity and progress towards the creator in their own way? I.E.
What if one part achieves 95% STS? (Are all parts automatically harvested STS because the spirit is one?)
What if only a few parts achieve STO harvest? (Do all parts get harvested STO?)
What if one part is manipulated and sent to a different time/space and born in a negative space/time environment by the higher self? (Do all parts go there because in time/space it's one entity?
It just abridges free will, and has a LOT of space for manipulation.
Re-read Q'uo answer when asked parallel incarnations, the answer is so blurred and in-definitive as if it's talking to the oneness of all and not two parallel selves.
I have to go to work. I cannot really reply appropriately right now.
First I have already addressed the freewill earlier in conversation with you. Second the returning to one energy blob isn’t about everyone’s total energy but my frequentcy. I am not Glow. I inhabit Glow. Well big I does and the sum of what makes little i is contained within the whole of big I. I’m not talking harvest or being returned to the one.
Sometimes I forget to spell out every facet of what I’m saying but I have been shown repeatedly my own and the parallel going back into the one energy only to be called out again separated. Just because particules join doesn’t meant they can’t be called out again.
I have a huge day and have to go so cannot address everything but I wonder why you read a thread titled meeting yourself in this life if it bothers you much? You have free will not to.
Should I avoid discussing my experience on a thread clearly titled?
I’m not sure what you want me to do. Would you like this topic banned?
Or would you rather I just don’t share freely? I have avoided it for you several times on other threads for you but it doesn’t make much sense here on the one clearly titled.
If you have all these arguments about why it’s not real or right then that’s cool go with that. You don’t have to believe me, and I already said it doesn’t apply to most so just pick one of the 2 it isn’t something you believe or it doesn’t apply to most. Nothing to get to terribly upset about we all don’t have to agree.
Ok running late.
It's a discussion which holds potential for manipulation if seen or interpreted in certain ways, that is why I take interest in it.
You shouldn't avoid or hold yourself from discussing your experiences.
And it's a good thing that we can all share our views and opinions that are opposing, that's how we grow in understanding each other's guts.
I'm not saying that it is not real, but rather interpreted in a such a distorted way that it abridges free will and has a lot of space for fear based manipulation. (Most likely unintentional) That's what I'm trying to convey. When one is sharing certain understandings about knowing beyond about an other-self outside of their own self, do you understand what I mean?
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Sprout - 06-01-2018
Double post.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Minyatur - 06-01-2018
(05-31-2018, 11:01 PM)Sprout Wrote: Do you know why this is problematic? Firstly it says nothing about such a concept in the LOO material. Secondly, it abridges free will. And thirdly, who knows?
You have to really give this a little thought considering free will. For example.
By your analogy, a couple mind/body's living parallely of the same spirit complex at the same time right? Meaning they become one after death right?
Well what does that even mean to personal development in a veiled 3rd density?
How can one gain polarity and progress towards the creator in their own way? I.E.
What if one part achieves 95% STS? (Are all parts automatically harvested STS because the spirit is one?)
What if only a few parts achieve STO harvest? (Do all parts get harvested STO?)
What if one part is manipulated and sent to a different time/space and born in a negative space/time environment by the higher self? (Do all parts go there because in time/space it's one entity?
I think the parts become a complex of their own and evolve as such, to merge back they require to reach back the level at which the separation occured and make the choice of it.
It's a strong case of as above so below to me, it's in the image of Creation and how separation occurs from One into many without denying free will as many.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Glow - 06-01-2018
P
(06-01-2018, 07:48 AM)Sprout Wrote:(06-01-2018, 06:52 AM)Glow Wrote:(05-31-2018, 11:01 PM)Sprout Wrote: Do you know why this is problematic? Firstly it says nothing about such a concept in the LOO material. Secondly, it abridges free will. And thirdly, who knows?
You have to really give this a little thought considering free will. For example.
By your analogy, a couple mind/body's living parallely of the same spirit complex at the same time right? Meaning they become one after death right?
Well what does that even mean to personal development in a veiled 3rd density?
How can one gain polarity and progress towards the creator in their own way? I.E.
What if one part achieves 95% STS? (Are all parts automatically harvested STS because the spirit is one?)
What if only a few parts achieve STO harvest? (Do all parts get harvested STO?)
What if one part is manipulated and sent to a different time/space and born in a negative space/time environment by the higher self? (Do all parts go there because in time/space it's one entity?
It just abridges free will, and has a LOT of space for manipulation.
Re-read Q'uo answer when asked parallel incarnations, the answer is so blurred and in-definitive as if it's talking to the oneness of all and not two parallel selves.
I have to go to work. I cannot really reply appropriately right now.
First I have already addressed the freewill earlier in conversation with you. Second the returning to one energy blob isn’t about everyone’s total energy but my frequentcy. I am not Glow. I inhabit Glow. Well big I does and the sum of what makes little i is contained within the whole of big I. I’m not talking harvest or being returned to the one.
Sometimes I forget to spell out every facet of what I’m saying but I have been shown repeatedly my own and the parallel going back into the one energy only to be called out again separated. Just because particules join doesn’t meant they can’t be called out again.
I have a huge day and have to go so cannot address everything but I wonder why you read a thread titled meeting yourself in this life if it bothers you much? You have free will not to.
Should I avoid discussing my experience on a thread clearly titled?
I’m not sure what you want me to do. Would you like this topic banned?
Or would you rather I just don’t share freely? I have avoided it for you several times on other threads for you but it doesn’t make much sense here on the one clearly titled.
If you have all these arguments about why it’s not real or right then that’s cool go with that. You don’t have to believe me, and I already said it doesn’t apply to most so just pick one of the 2 it isn’t something you believe or it doesn’t apply to most. Nothing to get to terribly upset about we all don’t have to agree.
Ok running late.
It's a discussion which holds potential for manipulation if seen or interpreted in certain ways, that is why I take interest in it.
You shouldn't avoid or hold yourself from discussing your experiences.
And it's a good thing that we can all share our views and opinions that are opposing, that's how we grow in understanding each other's guts.
I'm not saying that it is not real, but rather interpreted in a such a distorted way that it abridges free will and has a lot of space for fear based manipulation. (Most likely unintentional) That's what I'm trying to convey. When one is sharing certain understandings about knowing beyond about an other-self outside of their own self, do you understand what I mean?
How do you see what I wrote as fear based and manipulative?
I’m not in a state of fear so I’m not seeing how I could be pushing fear.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Glow - 06-01-2018
(05-31-2018, 11:01 PM)Sprout Wrote: By your analogy, a couple mind/body's living parallely of the same spirit complex at the same time right? Meaning they become one after death right?
Well what does that even mean to personal development in a veiled 3rd density?
How can one gain polarity and progress towards the creator in their own way? I.E.
What if one part achieves 95% STS? (Are all parts automatically harvested STS because the spirit is one?)
What if only a few parts achieve STO harvest? (Do all parts get harvested STO?)
What if one part is manipulated and sent to a different time/space and born in a negative space/time environment by the higher self? (Do all parts go there because in time/space it's one entity?
It just abridges free will, and has a LOT of space for manipulation.
Re-read Q'uo answer when asked parallel incarnations, the answer is so blurred and in-definitive as if it's talking to the oneness of all and not two parallel selves.
I didn’t have time to reply properly before but in my case which is really all I can speak of. I am told all three aspects will reach the exact same end point. It’s known. Just like traveling different paths picking up different bits of scenery along the way but at the end of incarnation we will have basically reached the same growth and understanding. Refined ourselves to the same point just 3 different ways. 3 different flavours.
Take it or leave it. Also about if one is manipulated and goes astray as you ask. Then it was planned and it will still end as it was supposed to at the same place we intended. Our incarnation does not have as much wiggle room as most, there are things to keep us on our path. None of us are worried about harvest love comes easy the balance of love and wisdom is what we need.
This doesn’t negate free will in the moment because decisions are made in each moment. If you go deeper into the understanding of time free will and destiny can co exist because all time is now.
Not sure if i made this better or worse but I can only share my experience. I don’t need anyone to believe anything I was just offering an experience when it was asked for and now I am answering you question from my experience.
Feel free to disregard what bothers you. Not all things are needed by all beings.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Sprout - 06-02-2018
(06-01-2018, 04:15 PM)Glow Wrote: P
(06-01-2018, 07:48 AM)Sprout Wrote:(06-01-2018, 06:52 AM)Glow Wrote:(05-31-2018, 11:01 PM)Sprout Wrote: Do you know why this is problematic? Firstly it says nothing about such a concept in the LOO material. Secondly, it abridges free will. And thirdly, who knows?
You have to really give this a little thought considering free will. For example.
By your analogy, a couple mind/body's living parallely of the same spirit complex at the same time right? Meaning they become one after death right?
Well what does that even mean to personal development in a veiled 3rd density?
How can one gain polarity and progress towards the creator in their own way? I.E.
What if one part achieves 95% STS? (Are all parts automatically harvested STS because the spirit is one?)
What if only a few parts achieve STO harvest? (Do all parts get harvested STO?)
What if one part is manipulated and sent to a different time/space and born in a negative space/time environment by the higher self? (Do all parts go there because in time/space it's one entity?
It just abridges free will, and has a LOT of space for manipulation.
Re-read Q'uo answer when asked parallel incarnations, the answer is so blurred and in-definitive as if it's talking to the oneness of all and not two parallel selves.
I have to go to work. I cannot really reply appropriately right now.
First I have already addressed the freewill earlier in conversation with you. Second the returning to one energy blob isn’t about everyone’s total energy but my frequentcy. I am not Glow. I inhabit Glow. Well big I does and the sum of what makes little i is contained within the whole of big I. I’m not talking harvest or being returned to the one.
Sometimes I forget to spell out every facet of what I’m saying but I have been shown repeatedly my own and the parallel going back into the one energy only to be called out again separated. Just because particules join doesn’t meant they can’t be called out again.
I have a huge day and have to go so cannot address everything but I wonder why you read a thread titled meeting yourself in this life if it bothers you much? You have free will not to.
Should I avoid discussing my experience on a thread clearly titled?
I’m not sure what you want me to do. Would you like this topic banned?
Or would you rather I just don’t share freely? I have avoided it for you several times on other threads for you but it doesn’t make much sense here on the one clearly titled.
If you have all these arguments about why it’s not real or right then that’s cool go with that. You don’t have to believe me, and I already said it doesn’t apply to most so just pick one of the 2 it isn’t something you believe or it doesn’t apply to most. Nothing to get to terribly upset about we all don’t have to agree.
Ok running late.
It's a discussion which holds potential for manipulation if seen or interpreted in certain ways, that is why I take interest in it.
You shouldn't avoid or hold yourself from discussing your experiences.
And it's a good thing that we can all share our views and opinions that are opposing, that's how we grow in understanding each other's guts.
I'm not saying that it is not real, but rather interpreted in a such a distorted way that it abridges free will and has a lot of space for fear based manipulation. (Most likely unintentional) That's what I'm trying to convey. When one is sharing certain understandings about knowing beyond about an other-self outside of their own self, do you understand what I mean?
How do you see what I wrote as fear based and manipulative?
I’m not in a state of fear so I’m not seeing how I could be pushing fear.
Quote:When one is sharing certain understandings about knowing beyond about an other-self outside of their own self, do you understand what I mean?
(06-01-2018, 05:35 PM)Glow Wrote:(05-31-2018, 11:01 PM)Sprout Wrote: By your analogy, a couple mind/body's living parallely of the same spirit complex at the same time right? Meaning they become one after death right?
Well what does that even mean to personal development in a veiled 3rd density?
How can one gain polarity and progress towards the creator in their own way? I.E.
What if one part achieves 95% STS? (Are all parts automatically harvested STS because the spirit is one?)
What if only a few parts achieve STO harvest? (Do all parts get harvested STO?)
What if one part is manipulated and sent to a different time/space and born in a negative space/time environment by the higher self? (Do all parts go there because in time/space it's one entity?
It just abridges free will, and has a LOT of space for manipulation.
Re-read Q'uo answer when asked parallel incarnations, the answer is so blurred and in-definitive as if it's talking to the oneness of all and not two parallel selves.
I didn’t have time to reply properly before but in my case which is really all I can speak of. I am told all three aspects will reach the exact same end point. It’s known. Just like traveling different paths picking up different bits of scenery along the way but at the end of incarnation we will have basically reached the same growth and understanding. Refined ourselves to the same point just 3 different ways. 3 different flavours.
Take it or leave it. Also about if one is manipulated and goes astray as you ask. Then it was planned and it will still end as it was supposed to at the same place we intended. Our incarnation does not have as much wiggle room as most, there are things to keep us on our path. None of us are worried about harvest love comes easy the balance of love and wisdom is what we need.
This doesn’t negate free will in the moment because decisions are made in each moment. If you go deeper into the understanding of time free will and destiny can co exist because all time is now.
Not sure if i made this better or worse but I can only share my experience. I don’t need anyone to believe anything I was just offering an experience when it was asked for and now I am answering you question from my experience.
Feel free to disregard what bothers you. Not all things are needed by all beings.
It's ok, I'm sorry that I take much of your time and make you worry about replying to my posts.
I'm thankful that you talk about your experience more openly, it gives a wider perspective and understanding rather than hinting about knowing x and y.
We probably won't understand how free will works in here.
All I am suggesting is that you consider the free will of those individuals that you believe you are connected with. For example I will quote your previous post that initially is why I kept replying to this topic.
Quote:The one alternate incarnation I know the birth date of our adeptness cycle reaches 99%+ the exact day every month even though we were born 6 months apart.
Your experience sounds very unique and important, and that is your piece of the great picture. Each holds a different piece, and that is fine. When you're talking about knowing about certain individuals, comparing and deciding what their life is all about.. it kinda throws you off. That is all I wanted to say.
I'm sorry for being such a bum.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Glow - 06-02-2018
(06-01-2018, 04:15 PM)Glow Wrote: How do you see what I wrote as fear based and manipulative?
I’m not in a state of fear so I’m not seeing how I could be pushing fear.
Quote:First it's no issue replying at all. I just don't really grasp why you are ascribing certain characteristics to me. Fear based, manipulative, or infringing on free will. I think you are perceiving things through your own filter of not wanting those things done so are fearing ME doing them but I wouldn't. That's likely why my ego was shaped as it is, I respect others free will actually much more than my own.(06-02-2018, 07:59 AM)Sprout Wrote: When one is sharing certain understandings about knowing beyond about an other-self outside of their own self, do you understand what I mean?
(06-01-2018, 05:35 PM)Glow Wrote:(05-31-2018, 11:01 PM)Sprout Wrote: By your analogy, a couple mind/body's living parallely of the same spirit complex at the same time right? Meaning they become one after death right?
Well what does that even mean to personal development in a veiled 3rd density?
How can one gain polarity and progress towards the creator in their own way? I.E.
What if one part achieves 95% STS? (Are all parts automatically harvested STS because the spirit is one?)
What if only a few parts achieve STO harvest? (Do all parts get harvested STO?)
What if one part is manipulated and sent to a different time/space and born in a negative space/time environment by the higher self? (Do all parts go there because in time/space it's one entity?
It just abridges free will, and has a LOT of space for manipulation.
Re-read Q'uo answer when asked parallel incarnations, the answer is so blurred and in-definitive as if it's talking to the oneness of all and not two parallel selves.
I didn’t have time to reply properly before but in my case which is really all I can speak of. I am told all three aspects will reach the exact same end point. It’s known. Just like traveling different paths picking up different bits of scenery along the way but at the end of incarnation we will have basically reached the same growth and understanding. Refined ourselves to the same point just 3 different ways. 3 different flavours.
Take it or leave it. Also about if one is manipulated and goes astray as you ask. Then it was planned and it will still end as it was supposed to at the same place we intended. Our incarnation does not have as much wiggle room as most, there are things to keep us on our path. None of us are worried about harvest love comes easy the balance of love and wisdom is what we need.
This doesn’t negate free will in the moment because decisions are made in each moment. If you go deeper into the understanding of time free will and destiny can co exist because all time is now.
Not sure if i made this better or worse but I can only share my experience. I don’t need anyone to believe anything I was just offering an experience when it was asked for and now I am answering you question from my experience.
Feel free to disregard what bothers you. Not all things are needed by all beings.(06-02-2018, 07:59 AM)Sprout Wrote: It's ok, I'm sorry that I take much of your time and make you worry about replying to my posts.
I'm thankful that you talk about your experience more openly, it gives a wider perspective and understanding rather than hinting about knowing x and y.
We probably won't understand how free will works in here.
All I am suggesting is that you consider the free will of those individuals that you believe you are connected with. For example I will quote your previous post that initially is why I kept replying to this topic.
I have trouble pruning plants, or taking a rock from the beach without asking their permission. It is truly not a concern and I assume the type that would do those things hasn't been set into a life like this because it wouldn't work. The unfolding has to happen on it's own or it's coerced. Anything from coercion isn't worth anything to me.
I don't tell THEM anything. I am a mirror. I think this is why I was told because they do not seem to have the same reservations as they have told me when they each reached similar conclusions. One who was last on the spiritual path(hadn't even started at the time) very quickly after we met summed it up without any new age terminology. It was just obvious to him.
When they come to stuff on their own I will comment honestly but I am not leading their path. I am sincere in who I am but this stuff is better without meddling. I appreciate the magic of my journey and as "them" they deserve the same richness of experiencing things that I have gotten.
Both have already reached less flushed out versions and I do not fill in the blanks because again I understand freewill different but know the growth and magic comes from "making the decisions in the moment", being free to discern and letting the universe talk to you.
Quote:The one alternate incarnation I know the birth date of our adeptness cycle reaches 99%+ the exact day every month even though we were born 6 months apart.
(06-02-2018, 07:59 AM)Sprout Wrote: Your experience sounds very unique and important, and that is your piece of the great picture. Each holds a different piece, and that is fine. When you're talking about knowing about certain individuals, comparing and deciding what their life is all about.. it kinda throws you off. That is all I wanted to say.
I'm sorry for being such a bum.
You are ascribing characteristics to me again. I don't know why that bugs me. Obviously something for me to work on because it's your right to do that. Obviously I still have an issue with people assuming who I am on such a level. Thank you for revealing that issue to me because it's silly to be bothered by people not seeing me due to their own filter. It is a natural inclination.
First I think all experiences are the same in importance. Second I am not saying I compare and "decide" what their life is about. I this ego is not my soul. I am trying to embody my soul as much as possible but it was the entirety of the soul outside incarnation that "did this" not Glow. And I as "Glow" am not saying what their life is about, I am sharing what I have been told through the soul.
I also of course don't go telling them what their life should be or it would be coerced, and the value and intensity of what they learn on their journey would be diminished. I just don't do that on principal because I like freedom but even from a soul perspective nothing would be gained. I don't do that.
Both have actually made statements in surprise over the years about my extreme lack of even participating in the worlds style of relational coercion. Nagging, whining, being butt hurt, passive aggressive, guilt tripping, or anything else. If I don't do that you don't need to worry about me trying to push their incarnation in any direction. Nothing gained through coercion is any good to me.
I suspect that wont appease your concern but it may be a worry only you can resolve for yourself. Like me having to working on not feeling uncomfortable when others ascribe unflattering characteristics to me I gotta really get to the root of that on my own steam. Catalyst. If that statement felt manipulative to you I just mean I don't think I can truly allay this fear for you.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - Sprout - 06-02-2018
I understand, thank you for the sincerity.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - buket - 06-07-2018
The 'yourself' in 'meeting yourself in this life' is the spirt part of you, right? What do you think?
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - buket - 06-11-2018
Is it correct to call another person yourself if only spirit is the thing you share?
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - ada - 06-11-2018
(06-11-2018, 04:13 AM)buket Wrote: Is it correct to call another person yourself if only spirit is the thing you share?
Other-self would be more appropriate. But it's not like you're wrong.. The one is one, we're fragments of one but also contain the whole within us.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - buket - 06-11-2018
(06-11-2018, 04:25 AM)blossom Wrote:(06-11-2018, 04:13 AM)buket Wrote: Is it correct to call another person yourself if only spirit is the thing you share?
Other-self would be more appropriate. But it's not like you're wrong.. The one is one, we're fragments of one but also contain the whole within us.
Yes but Q'uo accepts the word 'yourself' in the question. Is Q'uo wrong?
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - ada - 06-11-2018
Like I said, you're not wrong. It is just more appropriate.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - buket - 06-11-2018
(06-11-2018, 04:34 AM)blossom Wrote: Like I said, you're not wrong. It is just more appropriate.
Don't get me wrong. I don't defend the word 'yourself'. I think it is wrong because we consist of mind body and spirit. Not only spirit.
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - buket - 06-11-2018
(06-11-2018, 04:41 AM)buket Wrote:(06-11-2018, 04:34 AM)blossom Wrote: Like I said, you're not wrong. It is just more appropriate.
Don't get me wrong. I don't defend the word 'yourself'. I think it is wrong because we consist of mind body and spirit. Not only spirit.
Don't you think it is wrong, too?
RE: Meeting yourself in this life - ada - 06-11-2018
(06-11-2018, 05:41 AM)buket Wrote:(06-11-2018, 04:41 AM)buket Wrote:(06-11-2018, 04:34 AM)blossom Wrote: Like I said, you're not wrong. It is just more appropriate.
Don't get me wrong. I don't defend the word 'yourself'. I think it is wrong because we consist of mind body and spirit. Not only spirit.
Don't you think it is wrong, too?
I don't think it's wrong, infinity is one and cannot be anything else.
However I do think that such an approach can be used for manipulation of weak minds. I.e "You're me and now you're my slave."
But it's not wrong, because it is a catalyst for growth for those who need such strong lessons of oneness.
Healing works in mysterious ways, nothing is wrong, all is the creator/creation.