(10-03-2017, 04:14 PM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Hey Dante, fun fact, I have two phobias I've inexplicably had since I was a young kid.

I am terrified of mainly: Aliens and Demons

Weird right?

I believe in both, and especially in demonic possessions albeit I've also researched them, written a book on them using passages from the Goetia (which subsequently I put down because I got so sick one day working on it I threw up out of nowhere and had nothing more to attribute to it but that I was pissing off something), and overall can say I believe you.

So, hear me out because I am speaking from a Law of One technicality stance.  Your energetic system, which is what those entities aka demons connect to you through, is made vulnerable to them through the means I posited, that being belief and your thoughts towards the situation you believe in.  I assure you, there's not a single atheist out there who has experienced demonic possession because the symptoms they experience are perceived differently despite being the same one's you might be experiencing.

The majority point I was going for with you, hoping you'll try it out and report if it helps at all, is to not fight the entity with negative emotions such as desperation to get rid of it, or terror at the loss of control it makes you experience.  Even threatening to exorcise it is a challenge that they will wholly welcome because fighting them empowers them.

You'll need to take a Gandhi stance here, just as he fasted to influence the end to a conflict, you need to fast with your negative emotions to encourage an end to this conflict.

Literally and truly, making peace with it instead of war will go a far ways in reducing how efficacious it is at influencing you.

I'll actually respond to some quotes as well with my own beliefs because they seem to overlap here, though you have a whole different array of names/labels/identifiers on some things, there is still room for mutual understanding I believe.

(10-02-2017, 10:44 PM)Dante776 Wrote: I am in agreement with most everything else that you've said. But, just know that what I am dealing with is a hierarchy of beings that lead straight to the universal conscious mind. This is the domain of the gestalt entity known as Ra, which is why I believe he/she/it is part of this polarity game. Traditional love and light teachings don't seem to apply here. I know, I've been doing it for years. Still doing it! Years ago there was a play called "Your Arms are Too Short to Box with God." This is like trying to box with God! Imagine what that would be like? When he/she/it has every possible advantage over you imaginable by a lofty opponent.

A boxing fight with God, there's an interesting Star Trek Voyager Episode on that, it's an episode having to do with 'Chaotic Space', and the protagonist, Chakotay, needed to fight 'Kid Chaos' in his mind in a boxing match, and the whole entire point of the fight was simply that he could not win, his job was to take as many hits as he could to finally discover understanding to get out of that chaotic space.

Perhaps you are experiencing something similar.  You aren't in that boxing match with God to win, you're there to learn something, and the only way God can communicate what that something is, is by hitting you.  Pretty messed up, yeah, but communication comes in many shapes and sizes, from frequencies to sounds to shapes and symbols, to motions and yes, sometimes communication comes in the form of punches.

I for the longest time swore I read a passage where Ra said they had their own polarity in 6D or inferred that they did, that to this day I can't find.  It's funny you bring it up.  It's also funny you view Ra, assuming it's the same 'An Humble Messenger of the Law of One' Ra in the way you do.  I would call their being definitely Godly.  I would also take up a boxing match with such a God, if I knew it had something to teach me, and that it wasn't going to enslave me if I lost lol.

The hierarchy is another way you make the enemy bigger than it is.  God's are still individual entities ultimately, and they are still subject to 'laws' and 'ways' setup for them to operate through and by.  You might be a punching bag, or they might just be shoving off stuff on you.  Regardless, if you're experiencing something you don't like, you have the Free Will to say 'please stop this'.  They don't need to listen, but if you fight they'll have more power to respond than if you peacefully resist.

That's the big way for you to battle, is with peaceful resistance.  In exorcism isn't needed if you can still live your life.  If this thing is making you do some crazy s*** though, do seek out an exorcist to properly ascertain the situation, preferably one who doesn't market their service to anyone willing to contact them.

I believe the best way to win a battle against any kind of demonic possession is forgiveness and love, but mostly forgiveness of your self and love of the entity providing you with the lessons it has decided to impart upon you.  If you need to invoke some powerful names to try and curve it, I'd suggest you consider the LBRP and it's subsequent stronger forms with a small group.  Just realize the moment you start using magic to curve it is the moment you enter a very real and very dangerous new world of reality where it will do the same back to you, so really think through anything you intend to do.

(10-02-2017, 10:44 PM)Dante776 Wrote: I definitely believe that there is a 'harvest' going on here, but 'what kind' of harvest is the question? They are definitely manipulating my DNA/RNA. Perhaps this is ascension of a different kind. Some say that ascension requires merging with your oversoul and avatar that are part of your monad. This may involve reclaiming all lost fragments of your soul which includes those that are of a lower frequency or what some would call demonic or the shadow.

Or perhaps the demons are the Archons, as spoken of by the Nostics, that seek to block your ascension. I can't say for sure, but what I can say is that this is a harrowing experience and just caution everyone on the path to be aware of all of the possibilities that you may encounter just as a sort of "heads" up. I only wish I had that sort of admonishment because this, when it all started, caught me totally off guard.  

It's funny you say that, I thoroughly believe the Law of One needs a disclaimer warning of mental instability to those not ready to hear and learn what the books have to say.  When you realize all is one deeply an utterly, it opens you up to the realm of possibility where your very thoughts curve you through various parallel dimensions of your own reality, so that you do moment by moment on the razor edge of the moment make and remake your own reality to fit your thoughts of it.  Essentially you learn how to utilize the Law of Attraction in it's more direct ways with eventually much more immediate results, this can be good and bad, depending on how you think.

You seem to believe you are right and everyone else is off or wrong.  This might be one mirror aspect of what you're facing, the entity messing with you may even be influencing that of you, and as SMC said, there is always the possibility it is a very real mental disorder, and while she didn't say this part, that mental disorder could be exacerbated by this entity, making it all the much harder for you to convince anyone and even yourself if these things are real or not.

Further you don't want to take the advice being given to you, and everyone is now looking for you to explain how you're dealing with this and if raising awareness is enough for you, then maybe consider it isn't since you're still so distraught over all of this.

Just take a step back man, really examine this situation from a different angle.  Don't look at it as entities, try to see it as your own self messing with your self.  Maybe it's Archons, but it's my understanding there are only 7 of those 'Rulers' of the Demiurge's physical illusion, and they are usually very busy dealing with much more dangerous occurrences that threaten their plans.  Further the Gnostic texts are very symbolic and metaphorical, I always took the Archons as a euphemism for the natural laws designed by the Demiurge to further complicate the means of ascension from it's physical cage, most notably the ways of people (See: 7 Deadly Sins) and further that they were personified only to give them a direct analogue for humans to comprehend how they could be 'alive as we are'.

In fact in some ways it sounds like you have an entire narrative inside of your mind as to what is happening to you, how it's happening to you, and partly but the main hook and sinker being ''why'' it's happening to you.

'Why' is a perfect hook and sinker for people like us who seek so badly to know what is actually happening.  The bread trail of 'whys' is enough to lead some people right into a snare like a rabbit towards a carrot or a kid towards candy.  Don't be afraid to look up from that narrative and say 'I'm going to put this down for a bit'.

If you keep giving access to your mind through the beliefs you have, it's only going to stay the same, it ultimately comes down to what you do with your mind.

It's not 'all in your mind' as you perceived my words to imply, but rather the body is a creature of the mind, and in some ways ALL of reality is at the whims of the perceptions of the mind, consensus reality is formulated by those perceptions, when we touch a hot stove we say it hurts, hence hot stuff hurts.  That's consensus and it's pretty concrete in it's existence because so many people agree with it.  Yet then you have Fire, which is hot, and we know not to touch fire, but we also know that the heat of fire is more than just painful, at a distance it can be soothing, in ways it is a tool, suddenly hot as consensus is more than just painful, it's also useful.

Then somehow, when you touch something really really cold, for a second your body thinks it's burning you.  Truthfully extreme cold does feel like you're being burned.  Suddenly it's not just hot stuff that comes off as hot, suddenly cold stuff can burn you the way hot stuff does.

Suddenly reality is very different, hot and cold inflict the same pain, but they are radically different.

It's all because the nervous system of your body, the nerves in your skin perceived that extreme cold the same way it perceived extreme hot, it created a burning sensation. Were it not for the nervous system of the body having such perceptions we'd believe that hot is hot and cold is cold and both hurt, but we wouldn't attribute the word 'burn' to both sensations.  In that way when I say extreme cold burns you, that is our nervous system's perception of the reality it find's itself interacting with.  Your mind plays a further part in formulating that word and adding meaning to it for your body to correspond the stimuli with.

You are, in some freaky way in my opinion, a machine and operating system.  Your body is the interactive parts that allow you to work with the reality your mind find's itself interfacing with.  In fact the mind is more than an interface, it's that part of the equation that makes everything possible, the brain is just a physical mirror to provide the body (and the various energetic bodies) the means to be controlled by the consciousness empowering the spark that is the mind.

Your mind is what makes this a big deal and makes it into what it is as a matter of how reality operates.  When you say it's not all in your mind, you're both wrong and right, because it isn't all in your mind, but all of it happening is being experienced within your mind.

you just need to take a step back from all of those experiences, and consider re-explaining them.  If you believe in the demon, it is empowered to make you believe more and more.  If you one day 'real-ize' that the demon is just some tricks of perceptual experiences of your mind/body and not real enough to do damage to you (even if you presently believe it is real enough), then it'll find that suddenly the keyhole it was using to mess with you has been changed, a new lock in place, and it'll have to find a new way to interact through you.

It's rather quite fascinating how the energetic system works, it is very much linked in with how you think and perceive.

Take time to enjoy the beauty of your surroundings, the darkness might just stop for a moment and enjoy the view with you.

Because if there's one thing we all need to figure out, it's that beauty is universally appreciated. (Except by the jealous and envious.)
And beauty comes in many different ways, some bright and sparkling, some dark and umbra.

(10-03-2017, 09:57 PM)smc Wrote:

(10-03-2017, 01:02 PM)Dante776 Wrote:

(10-03-2017, 05:32 AM)smc Wrote: riiiight.....

Then it's time you explain when and how this demonic possession occurred - and what steps you're going to take to remedy the situation you say you're in...

otherwise I'm beginning to wonder if what we have here is a highly 'sophisticated' trolling attempt...

Quote:I was going to kill myself -  I couldn't live with the pain any longer...

Quote:I stopped allowing family to verbally abuse me - I wrote letters speaking my mind and confronting lies - I cut off people who disrespected me

Quote:again I promised myself I would become my best friend - that I would love and support myself and I would be gentle with myself - I would give myself all the things I was wanting from all the shitty abusers and abandoning people who should have done better by me...

Quote:and the heartache has gotten even stronger !! I'm now estranged from my whole family! - sister mother father... and my dad is 95.. (he was 40 when I was born)... I'll probably never see him again - and can't go to the funeral because of all the abuse and gaslighting and s*** that's happening... I live alone - no kids - no partner - no job - PTSD clinical depression, physical injuries, fibromyalgia, arthritis, severe disc protrusion in my neck... no job for the last 25 years because of a violent workplace assault that took 10 years to be dealt with in a court case... it's 36 years since I had a complete nervous breakdown at 19... from all the abuse I'd already gone through at that point - and it only got worse and worse...

Sorry, but sounds like you're the one that's experiencing a psychosis or schizophrenia. Perhaps misery is seeking company? Sorry, but I'm not the right company. Mine is more of a "spiritual" phenomenon. Your situation definitely sounds more "mental" and I think anyone reading your posts and my posts can tell the difference. With all that I'm going through, I've never once considered suicide. I can only imagine what you would've done if you walked in my shoes just one day.

Quote:riiiight.....

Then it's time you explain when and how this demonic possession occurred - and what steps you're going to take to remedy the situation you say you're in...

Really? Is that really necessary in order for you to believe me? I don't need You to prove to Me how your family abused you, people disrespected you, shitty abusers abused you, and all of the other horrible things that you claim brought you to the brink of suicide, TWICE!! You've relayed "Your Story" and I have no reason to doubt you. This is not a court here. It's just a forum where people are sharing their views and personal experiences. Whether you believe it or not is inconsequential to me. As far as a remedy? I'm doing just as you did when you confronted the "human" demons that were plaguing you... In your own words!

Quote:I trust me

I love me

I've got my back

I used to be fucking furious

and I had EVERY right to be

just as you do

Thank you.

You're welcome

It looks like my suggestion about your mental health has hit quite a nerve.

Personally, I thought it could help you to explain that I have PTSD and clinical depression; to share my (as you put it) "Story"; but from this reply you're clearly not comfortable with my courage, and seem to be trying to stigmatise me for trying to help people (if possible) by sharing.

I wrote to you in as respectful and considerate way as possible; acknowledging what you're experiencing - as best as I can ascertain - a new forum member - posting various threads alleging things about Ra which are basic misunderstandings of 'the material'.

In joining the forum and posting thread after thread linking 'harvest' and 'archons' and 'Gnosticism' and 'demon possession' etc; with L/L and The Ra Material; you're being validly queried about your allegations.

The onus is on you Dante776 - not me!

Sure it's not a "court" where you need to "prove" your "demonic possession" - but if you want to continue to go on and on about it - we have the right to ask for specifics if we want. Otherwise this is turning into 'The Boy Who Cried Wolf'.

Thanks for helping me learn much greater discernment - (love/wisdom) - in who to trust with my "Story" and my mental health situation.
It's a very personal and painful thing to try to shame me about; when I have only ever shared it on B4th when members speak of having desperate situations and feelings; to help the person feel less alone and maybe a bit understood.

It seems from this indignant reply that you still associate a lot of stigma with that topic.

No smoke without fire.

(10-03-2017, 01:57 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: I would also be curious to hear more about the particulars of this demonic possession and how you're ridding yourself of it.

Quote:I’m sorry, (Sir) but you came at (Bring 4th) in a rather hawkish way by telling (us) that (we) may be suffering from ("Satan's Harvest"). When (we) come back at you with the same fire so to speak, now you’re suddenly a (*whole lot of stuff that I could say but won't*). (Our) intention was not to hurt you or make you feel vulnerable in any way, but rather to (explain our own truths and/or 'The Ra Material') using some of your examples. So, as the old saying goes, don’t dish it if you can’t take it, or what’s good for the goose is good for the gander! Well, I’m sure you get this. It’s just that I don’t see why you expect us to believe your story while (you belittle us, saying we're under a "delusion" and "really need to wake up!") What makes you any more of a credible witness than me, or anyone else on this forum for that matter. (?)

Let's not make this personal, because we don't even know each other. And cannot possibly presume that we do based on a few posts that delineate a very narrow aspect of someone's views or experiences which in no way can represent the totality of all there is to know about that person."

Quote:"so resistant to the idea that there are ACTIVE negative beings out there and that somehow by saying "I don't want to be infringed' means they won't infringe."

(10-06-2017, 11:42 AM)Aion Wrote: It was not a reference to this thread specifically, it was referring to channeling in general. Yes, it is a simplification, but illustrates an attitude I have seen in New Age circles regarding infringement. You may undersfand it to a more in-depth degree but there are plenty who don't.

My main point is simply that it isn't always as easy to do as it is to say. It gets especially complicated if the individual in question either consciously or unconsciously at some point DID allow themselves to bond with certain kinds of entities OR they may have been infringed from a very young age and the influence of the entity might be very deeply ingrained. You yourself went through an extensive process so you should know better than many that it's not a snap your fingers kind of process.

Now I'm not saying I disagree with you as to the root of power, I very much see myself as a very in touch with my own willpower which is my self as co-creator. However, I'm not so sure about your approach in attempting to guide others towards this. It seems to me like you're approaching it from 'the outside looking in' and thinking of your own experiences and where you have come from and trying to fit their situation in to it. (Just my impression.) Maybe you would find others more receptive if you instead tried to fit yourself in their position and help from there. Not to be rude, but in my experience it is more helpful to work with someone from the foundation of their own philosophy rather than try to insert them in to my own reality. Usually people aren't willing to come in to my reality to seek help, I gotta meet them in theirs.

Anyways, you're doing nothing wrong, just some food for thought.

Quote:(#8)

None of this is true free will infringement. That's incredibly difficult to truly accomplish in our veiled 3D reality. About the only methods I can think of offhand which might qualify would be intense torture and\or use of forced psychotropic drugs with the specific intention of breaking down someone's sense of self utterly for the sake of rebuilding a new personality later. But such things happen far more often in movies than in real life.

Otherwise, those of the negative path will often go to great lengths to try to convince someone to "sign up" with their philosophy or worldview, but free will still stands in the way. One who truly does not wish to embrace the path that negative entities offer cannot be forced to walk it.

And I feel I should caution you: If the positive path is what you seek, then look to avoid and dispel feelings of fear and persecution. Those are tools of the negative. More or less, should this entity successfully convince you that it holds power over you, then you will have given it that power. And the more time you choose to spend contemplating its supposed power, the more power you end up giving it.

On the other hand, should you recognize yourself as a bright beacon of radiance which cannot be dimmed by Earthly coercion, then you will have placed yourself utterly beyond its reach.

(10-04-2017, 02:45 AM)Aion Wrote: How might I ask will manipulation of the ether change your situation? What might you change in the ethers that will produce the reality you desire?

(10-08-2017, 05:20 AM)Mahakali Wrote:

(10-04-2017, 02:45 AM)Aion Wrote: How might I ask will manipulation of the ether change your situation? What might you change in the ethers that will produce the reality you desire?

The ability itself, and the emotional and psychic freedom that come with it, would be the change.

I miss being able to feel deeply and think deeply and read and write and create and enjoy. Without intelligence and creativity, there is no pleasure and no reason to live except to take revenge.

That's the worst of the pain, I think, the lack of soul. They want to beat the soul out of me and/or control it, so that it'll never reach its full potential even in creative pursuits.

Ever since they tried to take it, starting when I was really little, I just got worse and worse. They want to force me into a mold that I won't fit into, and they've damaged me, and I want them to suffer and die for it.

I hate this country and the people who run it. Everything I've ever loved and cherished in my life has been ripped out of my hands by these bastards, turning me into a monster, and then they want to punish me for being what they made me into.

I hate them.

I hate them.

But they must have enemies. There must be a way out. And even if there isn't, there must be a way I can hurt them.

(10-08-2017, 09:15 AM)Aion Wrote:

(10-08-2017, 05:20 AM)Mahakali Wrote:

(10-04-2017, 02:45 AM)Aion Wrote: How might I ask will manipulation of the ether change your situation? What might you change in the ethers that will produce the reality you desire?

The ability itself, and the emotional and psychic freedom that come with it, would be the change.

I miss being able to feel deeply and think deeply and read and write and create and enjoy. Without intelligence and creativity, there is no pleasure and no reason to live except to take revenge.

That's the worst of the pain, I think, the lack of soul. They want to beat the soul out of me and/or control it, so that it'll never reach its full potential even in creative pursuits.

Ever since they tried to take it, starting when I was really little, I just got worse and worse. They want to force me into a mold that I won't fit into, and they've damaged me, and I want them to suffer and die for it.

I hate this country and the people who run it. Everything I've ever loved and cherished in my life has been ripped out of my hands by these bastards, turning me into a monster, and then they want to punish me for being what they made me into.

I hate them.

I hate them.

But they must have enemies. There must be a way out. And even if there isn't, there must be a way I can hurt them.

Now I may not be seeing what you see, but maybe I see something you don't. Your soul is quite in tact and your creativity is quite in abundance. The problem? You've convinced yourself that you can't use it until you've 'beaten' them. You can choose to end your side of the war, and it will all come back. Maybe this is wishful thinking or seems too magical, but, well, I'm not here to give you a normal solution.

Your soul is beautiful, my friend and you have but to let it shine. Stop wasting your energy on hating these a******* and use it on shining your beautiful soul unto the world. I assure you, that is a change you will feel better for. You already DO manipulate the ether. The only thing practice or ritual or effort does is free your mind from the ideas that it has that it CAN'T. This isn't me talking out my ass. I have been on the other side of demonic possession, broken free and regained my power. I am you in another form. I can control the ethers, and so can you.

Stop eating all this bullshit you have been fed and start thinking for yourself. That may seem like an incredibly ironic statement. You may hate me for all of this. I don't apologize. You need to hear it. I love you, buddy. Much peace to you.

Let me tell you how I understand this works. They give you a piece of themselves. That is how implants, control, possession, etc all works. They take advantage of qantum entanglement/unity and give you a part of their consciousness so that you identify with it. Are you so certain all your apparent desires are even actually yours? I'm not so sure. You need to free your identity from its constrictions, those are the attachments they use to hold you in place. They feed the parts that are of themselves to strengthen their hold within you. You know what they're not? Love. You can extrapolate from there,

Awaken once again the wings that flow from your back, for you are an angel on Earth, I see you there, you cannot hide from the Eye of Eternity. I am Michael. My place is to awaken the fallen. You are one of the lost angels. Awaken to your true self again and be reborn whilst still living.

You want to hurt them? Stop feeding them your hate. It's a delicious delicacy. Starve them of the malevolence, anger and hatred that they placed over your heart so you will produce their food. They want you to hate them. All the better that you give them your energy and attention. They will gladly take it. So long as you don't think for a second that you would be anything without those things.

(10-05-2017, 03:21 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Dante, Sigh.  His eyes uncovered.  Judgment already hewn. --> Great Star Trek quote.

I was trying to say think of your situation and circumstances differently, I shall cease and desist my good sir.  I hope you find a solution to your problem that is peaceful and nonviolent.  I bid you good journey with your...  Godly Demon Possession.  Sounds like an intense path to take, dude.

Mahakali, having at least a 20 hour job a week might help a person worry less about how they're going to eat or afford a place to live.  At least 20 minutes a day of decent meditation is enough, as for how you spiritually work, whether in real magic or in everyday life or just in small ways, not everyone is going to want to meditate for 4+ hours a day, others are.  I find that most do not.

I just feel kind of hurt you called my comment poisonous to be honest.  And I will admit I shouldn't have called yours poisonous, there is some merit to the hermit life.  I personally can't handle that isolation but in small bursts the idea of getting away from all yellow ray energies of society, work, family and friends, is very appealing, as well as discovering the strength to survive.
But some people just can't do that, man.  They're in it for the connections.

So, I'm sorry for getting all cynical at you.  I really do hope things get better for you, you seem like you have good intentions.

Maybe some time someone will actually write up an explanation of all the stuff they're freaking out about, that way others can understand their beliefs more succinctly.

Quote:I am terrified of mainly: Aliens and Demons

Weird right?

Quote:The majority point I was going for with you, hoping you'll try it out and report if it helps at all, is to not fight the entity with negative emotions such as desperation to get rid of it, or terror at the loss of control it makes you experience.  Even threatening to exorcise it is a challenge that they will wholly welcome because fighting them empowers them.

You'll need to take a Gandhi stance here...

Quote:The hierarchy is another way you make the enemy bigger than it is.  God's are still individual entities ultimately, and they are still subject to 'laws' and 'ways' setup for them to operate through and by.  You might be a punching bag, or they might just be shoving off stuff on you.  Regardless, if you're experiencing something you don't like, you have the Free Will to say 'please stop this'.  They don't need to listen, but if you fight they'll have more power to respond than if you peacefully resist.

Quote:I for the longest time swore I read a passage where Ra said they had their own polarity in 6D or inferred that they did, that to this day I can't find.  It's funny you bring it up.  It's also funny you view Ra, assuming it's the same 'An Humble Messenger of the Law of One' Ra in the way you do.  I would call their being definitely Godly.  I would also take up a boxing match with such a God, if I knew it had something to teach me, and that it wasn't going to enslave me if I lost lol.

The hierarchy is another way you make the enemy bigger than it is...

Quote:I believe the best way to win a battle against any kind of demonic possession is forgiveness and love, but mostly forgiveness of your self and love of the entity providing you with the lessons it has decided to impart upon you.  If you need to invoke some powerful names to try and curve it, I'd suggest you consider the LBRP and it's subsequent stronger forms with a small group.

Quote:You seem to believe you are right and everyone else is off or wrong.  This might be one mirror aspect of what you're facing, the entity messing with you may even be influencing that of you, and as SMC said, there is always the possibility it is a very real mental disorder, and while she didn't say this part, that mental disorder could be exacerbated by this entity, making it all the much harder for you to convince anyone and even yourself if these things are real or not.

Quote:Further you don't want to take the advice being given to you, and everyone is now looking for you to explain how you're dealing with this and if raising awareness is enough for you, then maybe consider it isn't since you're still so distraught over all of this.

Quote:If you keep giving access to your mind through the beliefs you have, it's only going to stay the same, it ultimately comes down to what you do with your mind.

(10-05-2017, 03:21 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Your mind is what makes this a big deal and makes it into what it is as a matter of how reality operates.  When you say it's not all in your mind, you're both wrong and right, because it isn't all in your mind, but all of it happening is being experienced within your mind.

you just need to take a step back from all of those experiences, and consider re-explaining them.  If you believe in the demon, it is empowered to make you believe more and more.  If you one day 'real-ize' that the demon is just some tricks of perceptual experiences of your mind/body and not real enough to do damage to you (even if you presently believe it is real enough), then it'll find that suddenly the keyhole it was using to mess with you has been changed, a new lock in place, and it'll have to find a new way to interact through you.

(10-08-2017, 05:53 PM)Aion Wrote: Serious question, have you ever undergone an exorcism of any sort?

(10-08-2017, 09:48 PM)Aion Wrote: Prayer won't do anything and certainly 'remote' work won't do anything. Not direct enough.

Quote:I can't speak to the validity of this or that belief system, I understand how you have reached your conclusions and to be sure they are not 'new' viewpoints. I will say that the majority of channelers do not use any sort of 'filter' system or protocol or testing their contact so for the most part I take any channelings with a massive grain of salt, including the Ra Material.

Quote:You seem to be quite aware of these entities. Do they have a name? What do you know about these entities that plague you? What do you see the ultimate goal as?

Quote:You said you called to these beings which means that you gave your permission in first place, but then later realized you were maybe mislead. Have you taken back and denied that permission to them since? I don't mean in the sense of 'you're letting them do this to you', but more in the sense of just whether or not you have made that a clear intentional boundary. As you said I don't know all of what you've tried so forgive me if I touch things which you have already visited.

Quote:If I may at least in somewise validate your experience. I know of only one Unified Being, and that is the One Infinite Source. Everything else is of duality. It does not appear as 'good' and 'evil' until it manifests upon this plane but there is that fundamental duality at the heart of creation. It has been characterized in Yin and Yang, Light and Dark, Night and Day, Male and Female, etc, etc. The beings that are affecting you are twisting this relationship in to one of conflict.

Quote:...it seems you have gotten yourself in to a rather tight box. I'm never gonna tell you to call to anything else to 'save you'. The only thing that will help you now is your own willpower and your own intent. No one else will be able to change this for you.

Quote:Just for a second, what would change in your mind if suddenly you stopped believing in the power of these beings? I don't mean any sort of 'take your power back' or whatever sort of thing, I mean, what if you stopped buying all the bullshit they have fed you?

Quote:...I know an individual who is a master of Enochian and they have never been possessed despite practicing magic for decades. This guy also is definitely dedicated to the service of others.

Quote:Another thing I will tell you is that your entities have definitely noticed me, and they are not happy for my presence. This is a good sign.

(10-08-2017, 09:15 AM)Aion Wrote: hate. It's a delicious delicacy.

(10-09-2017, 01:48 AM)Mahakali Wrote:

(10-08-2017, 09:15 AM)Aion Wrote: hate. It's a delicious delicacy.

For me, too, though.

>Your soul is quite in tact and your creativity is quite in abundance

My energy body is multilated. When I get past that, my soul and creativity will be "in abundance".

Yeah, I can probably fix it...

(10-09-2017, 12:51 AM)smc Wrote: REFUSE to accept what is being offered. (Close your 'hand'. The offering falls.)

Quote:...if you align with Love/Light you simply ARE "strongest".

Quote:I don't accept that the possession occurred pretty much in the first year - into a mind that knew nothing about metaphysics - and then you went and read all the 'information' that confirmed it.

Quote:I also want to say how noticeable it is that you argue so strongly for the strength and totality of your ongoing disempowerment

Quote:"Chapter Seven - Psychic Greeting (Carla Rueckert)

A lot has been written about psychic attack. I prefer to call it psychic greeting, since the shift in attitude is the key to dealing with this occurrence.
How many times have you heard a news commentator report that a psychotic killer has claimed he heard a voice telling him to kill? How many movies have had as their subject the possession of a soul by an outside force?
Roman Catholic literature has a fairly substantial supply of books on possession by demons or by Satan himself. Anyone who has ever witnessed a sustained psychic greeting upon someone else or himself is fully aware of the reality of the occurrence. If you are reading this book, whatever your previous opinion of psychic greeting, I say to you as a potential or working channel that this is part of the vocation you have elected to pursue.

Anything that we do within this lifetime may be looked at as a kind of game. If we are working on our own maturity, we have begun making up our own rules, choosing what we believe and fashioning the game to suit our biases and choices. Being an instrument makes you a player in a game where all the pieces are invisible and have to do with feeling and faith. There are many presences in our invisible universe, many more by far than we can see as we go about our daily life. We do well to choose our point of view carefully and stick with it faithfully in order that we may have the most fastidious choice of contacts, aligning ourselves with the highest and best thought we can.

We then offer ourselves for a kind of positive possession or partial possession. Any channel who is relaying a message has opened itself to what is intended to be just that. Through tuning and challenging of spirits the contact itself is safeguarded. However, just because you have tuned and challenged during meditation, it does not follow that you are in a centered and focused frame of mind later that same day or the next morning. The channel, in playing the game of being an instrument for inspiration, plays a role that is intended to be larger than life, in that the focusing and polarizing is centered upon being a far better instrument than one normally is in a steady state of consciousness. My consciousness, as I am writing on tape for you this morning, is not the same consciousness I possessed in the bathroom earlier when I rather abruptly moved my cat, Freeway, from his precarious three-legged posture (he lost one limb as a little kitten) atop the sink I wished to use at that moment. The third time he crawled into it he went down faster than he came up. That bad temper is the kind of opening which makes one vulnerable to psychic greeting.

There are other forms of psychic greeting, besides the classic feeling of being possessed by another mind. There are times, for instance, when one’s best intentions are lost in an amazing flurry of bad luck at a critical time.
Opportunities can be cut off that will never come again. If a person runs into these things randomly it is undoubtedly the working of happenstance. It does not do to get paranoid; unfortunate coincidences are far more frequent occurrences than are psychic greetings. However, if you have been experiencing a lot of polarizing changes of consciousness lately, and because of those changes of consciousness find yourself wishing to do something for someone else that would be noteworthy in some way, you may not be paranoid by ascribing bad luck to more than simple coincidence. When you begin attempting to polarize yourself you may find after a few weeks, months or years that you have done enough work to experience the time of transformation which is sometimes called initiation.
I have experienced two of them of which I am aware; there may have been more which were hidden from me by the mundane nature of crisis: I have often thought that initiations sometimes take place through the catalyst of illness or tragedy, when the biocomputer-mind is full of the energy of dumped programs.

During initiation one can get very uncomfortable. One tends to lose sleep and experience unwelcome and seemingly negative greeting. The initiatory period may last two months or two years. There is a period to any initiation, a merciful ending of the stimulus once it is no longer needed. The phenomenon, in my opinion, has to do with the “lions at the gates of the temple” concept which has been related to me by Buddhist students. When one moves from one level of intensity of seeking or adoration to another, one is changing one’s basic level of consciousness, and in order to move from one level to the next, one must move through a semipermeable boundary area. There is resistance at the boundary, making it more difficult to make the shift than to stay where one is. The process of initiation involves a steadfastness of seeking and a confidence that all is truly well in spite of appearances, that love will indeed conquer all.

The most common experiences during this kind of transformational period are nightmares which wake one up with regularity in the deep of night, with the most likely period of awakening being from three-thirty to four in the morning if you have a normal sleeping pattern. During the day the feelings of nightmare—baseless unease and dread—can continue with or without waking nightmare visions. One can get stray negative thoughts which, seemingly, coming from nowhere, immediately take over the mind, challenging the stability and courage of the seeker. There can be the intensification of any existing physical disease or unease, or mental or emotional unease. My bad temper at the cat’s importunities is one opening which a negatively oriented spirit could use to trigger feelings of guilt in me—for indeed I should have been more patient not just then, but in other situations throughout my life. Anything one does that is unbalanced like that, ungraceful, disharmonious, petty, is a freely-given hostage taken by the forces which wish to block the positive work that you are doing. If you pay attention to the sounds inside your mind—most seekers and students whom I have known have experienced these—you may find one sound or position of sound in the head which will serve as a warning when something erroneous is being thought, or may serve as a signal when you are doing something extremely well for the first time, and the thought is one which
you wish to emphasize and remember.

When most people come to me with questions about psychic greeting, the thrust of their inquiry is as much, “Why me?” as “What is it?” The why’s of psychic greetings begin with the already noted orientation of the instrument
toward the invisible world. Channels are committed to service to others by communication with unseen sources. If you are an instrument whose work is generating positive emotions and thoughts in those whom the words are serving, you are functioning as a messenger for a source of light, light that is invisible to most of our waking eyes but is all-powerful in the world of thought.

Let me put the concept of Armageddon before you because I believe that there is a kind of Armageddon that has been on-going for quite a long time on the inner planes. What I am telling you is my opinion only, and I do not wish to sway you by it, but this is what I think the nature of Armageddon really is: I believe that consciousness exists in several densities or levels of awareness. Earth, wind, water and fire are of the first density; plants, animals and all things that grow are of the second-density; and self-conscious, third-density beings take up a more ‘spiritualized’ or light-filled body, with light packed more densely, hence the term, ‘density.’ Fourth-
density entities are completing the lessons of love and beginning the attempt to learn wisdom in addition to love. Because real love is the Creator, agent and enabler of service to others, fourth-density beings have a strong desire to protect those of third-density—us—from the massive amount of information made available to us by their opposite numbers—fourth-density negatively polarized beings, who have the reciprocal attitude toward fourth-density positively polarized beings. The concept of angels and demons in a heavenly battle is not an altogether satisfactory distortion of what I conceive the situation to be, but it is recognizable as the same situation. I do believe that one era or density is coming to an end on planet Earth and that another is about to begin. I don’t believe that there is any necessity for a totally catastrophic earth change or changes, although I have read some of the same books you may have and accept the possibility, in some cases even the probability, of some inconvenience, as my favorite contact once called the probable scenario of earth changes. While we move through the process of density change the Armageddon of the thought world rages. Neither side can win because the forces of love lose polarity by doing battle and as they begin to win, as they must, since they bear the standard of love, they realize that they must pull back in order to regain polarity. In leaving the field of battle they lose the edge that they have gained. And so the battle is unending. It is my somewhat sad conclusion that this is a war that will not end in any probable future. However, the negative polarity is valuable, and needs to be appreciated. Without the concept of polarity there would be no
way to accelerate the process of spiritual evolution, either in the path of service to others, or unity, or in the path of service to self, or separation.

We are talking as instruments, for the most part, to those of the next density, occasionally fifth or sixth density, but more often fourth, who are in some way involved in this spiritual Armageddon. It is not a battle in which spirits are slain; it is a battle for minds and hearts. When you accept the responsibility of becoming a contact for a positively oriented source of information you are joining this battle. And because you are working for the forces of light—by definition, not making a judgment between good and evil—you are, by connection, vulnerable to the same attacks from what could be called enemy forces, though because we are sources of light the last thing we wish to do is hate, fear or feel anger towards negatively oriented, unseen beings.

When you have generated a significant amount of light by yourself or within a group, you will probably be greeted by those on the negative path. The closer you have managed to bring your life and your work to the consciousness of the source of all love and light, the fiercer will be the greeting offered to you. This is part of the plan, I believe, of a fair-minded Creator who believes that the free-will choices of His creations are far more effective than the relatively uninteresting actions of those who do not have a choice but who must be good, or evil. So if you are, or think you are, receiving a psychic greeting, do not ask, “Why me?” for everything that you
have done to prepare yourself to be a channel, and all that you do to be faithful in service as an instrument, has put you in an extremely predictable situation: you will come to the attention of those lobbying for the antithetical point of view to the one offered by messengers of love, light and service to others.

“How should I handle it?” you have asked me quite often. “As soon as possible,” is the first answer that comes to mind. A psychic greeting is like priority mail. It should get your attention immediately. In the first place you would not be getting a psychic greeting unless you had left yourself open to temptation, had been successfully tempted and did not amend your thought or action, for if you deal with temptations as they arise, psychic greeting is not possible. A person that leaves no openings will not be attacked. If negatively oriented entities could be said to have one predictable characteristic, that characteristic is caution. Negative entities have a great deal to lose if they get into a situation where they will fail. Failing is a negative no-no. Look at the situation from the negative point of view. Service to the self, the controlling of others for the use of the self, is the name of the game. If you cannot control another you have failed, so it is unlikely in the extreme that you are undergoing some type of psychic greeting unless you have left yourself indefensible on some point.

We’ve talked about some of the temptations, most of which have to do with either ego or excess. Look through your relationships, your conversations and your private behavior for those actions which are not consistent with your own deepest point of view. Because you are in a vulnerable position as an instrument, vis-à-vis psychic greeting, it is well for you to be thinking in terms of ethical behavior so that you do not cause yourself unnecessary difficulties. You may have to force yourself to recognize and accept your own shortcomings. It is far easier to say that you are being attacked by someone or something that hates you because you are a messenger of light than it is to take responsibility for the “attack,” recognizing that you have placed yourself in the position in which you now are by some omission or commission of action or thought.

You are not alone if you find yourself wasting time by saying “But I have done nothing.” You probably have done very little; however, anything which leaves room for question may be enough to let in negative greeting. The harder that you want to work for light and the more that you want to help this planet, the more care you must take in the conduct of your own private and public thoughts and relationships. It does not matter what anyone else thinks of you, in the spiritual sense. You are not responsible to other people’s opinions. If you are acting according to the highest and best that you know in metaphysic and ethic, and if your life equals your thinking and your work, you have eliminated the cause of psychic greeting. Of course if you are human and on the planet in a physical body at this time, you have probably not succeeded in becoming the ideal, God-realized being. Just keep trying.

When you respond to psychic greeting with fear or anger you are giving negatively oriented entities precisely what they want. The more you fear, the more you struggle and the more you rage, the tighter will be their grip upon your attention and the less you will be able to do about their greeting of you. To those upon the negative path, negative emotions are sweet. It may seem backwards to us, but taken in terms of negative polarity fear and anger are quite normal, and the more fear and anger you feel towards a negatively
oriented entity, the more that entity feels you have complimented its work.

It is up to you to invoke the power of love in this situation. My favorite contact, a group entity of many individuals called Ra, has called the positive path “the path of that which is” and the negative path “the path of that which is not.” Love makes us all one and is all that there is; however, the positive path is based upon an appreciation of that fact, whereas the negative path is based upon a denial of that fact.

Since universal love is the natural environment of the positive polarity it is relatively easily generated, by thinking on the Creator of all that there is, for that original consciousness, undistorted and whole, underlies all that there is—this is the basic belief system of those whose channeled messages we are getting, at least in the majority. Love is delicious to those of positive polarity when it is non-manipulative. However non-manipulative, unconditional love given to negatively polarized beings is as distasteful to them as anger and fear are delicious. All that is good to us is evil to them, for they are perceiving the exact opposite of the path of light. Thus the power of love is not found in its ability to control as much as in its capacity to fill positive things with joy and negative things with the desire to leave. Sending unconditional love to a negative entity who greets you psychically is much like sending a bouquet of spoiled flowers. The smell is malodorous and sickening to the recipient, who promptly turns on his heels and vacates the premises, having realized it is the receiver of a positively oriented “psychic greeting.”

However, you cannot send love in order that the entity will go away. This is conditional love, and as such is very dear to the hearts of negatively oriented entities. If you wonder about this seeming contradiction, look at relationships where two people are trying to control each other through love. It is never a pretty sight. Control and love are conflicting forces.
Unconditional love should be sent to the entity which is greeting you. It should then be sent separately and consciously to the greeting itself. Love should also be sent to yourself, that you may have the grace to forgive the intrusion and forget it completely. It is always well to conclude with an inner statement of fidelity to the point of view which you have come to hold and a form of thanksgiving that is meaningful to you, and to the Creator for giving you this opportunity to learn.

If you have gone through a series of experiences of psychic greeting without having the knowledge of how to deal with them this may seem like an extremely oversimplified answer to a thorny problem. It is simple; however, it is also effective. Just remember that the first thing you need at all times is knowledge of yourself so that you may have faith in who you are, be energetically engaged in the pursuit of positive polarity in a way consistent with your point of view and, above all, be committed to service. Once you have your feeling of self well articulated you have positioned yourself in such a way that dealing with psychic greetings becomes a simple application of
faith and will. You must have faith in the power of love, you who are servants of the consciousness of love, and you must have the will to use love to respond to a greeting from negative entities. For without willpower there is a great temptation to feel sorry for yourself and powerless in the face of the unseen. If you are not afraid to channel the positive, do not be afraid to face the negative serenely.

There is a difficulty with filling your mind with something immediately after you have gone through psychic greeting and the sending of love. It takes a few minutes, at least, for the feeling of being invaded to fade entirely from the consciousness, whether you have just hallucinated that you have stepped on a small dead animal, or smelled an awful smell which was found to be sourceless or had a waking nightmare which terrified you (all these things have happened to me). I don’t want to start listing frightening things that can happen to one undergoing psychic greeting; if you are reading this chapter with interest you probably have a lot to tell me! A history of some
encounters I have had with psychic greetings is included in THE Law of One, Volumes One through Four, especially Volume Three. While you are waiting for this aftertaste to disappear you are still vulnerable even though you have sent love, because fear and anger at the intrusion are still possible. Sometimes the mind does not want to let go of those emotions. It is well to fashion for yourself some general statement of affirmation and have it on hand to say to yourself, preferably out loud, during those five or ten minutes that it takes for you to get back into a comfortable frame of mind. I have written my own, and you may wish to write yours also. Counting your blessings is a good way of expressing the kind of writing I would encourage.
You may also use affirmations that have been written by others, such as
Psalm 91 or Psalm 23.

If you are waking up in the middle of the night and have trouble getting back to sleep because of psychic greeting coming to you through nightmares, you may find a prayer of Dion Fortune’s helpful and I would encourage you to read her book, PSYCHIC SELF-DEFENSE, now available in paperback. If you are a member of a group which is undergoing greeting from a negative source and your place of working has been compromised, I recommend W. E. Butler’s book. THE MAGICIAN: HIS TRAINING AND WORK, also available in paperback. Fortune’s book is written from the standpoint of Christ-consciousness’ being an expression of perfect love. Both books are written by practicing white magicians. I do recommend this additional reading, since these authors give not only solutions that work but also an excellent foundation for removing the feeling of strangeness from the situation. It is not a good idea to be in awe of negative forces, nor is it good to be flippant about them, but rather to be in balance and to be able to respond appropriately using the polarity you have gained and asking for the forces of light to aid you. The books may or may not be what you are looking for; however, I feel it would be irresponsible of me to tell you about the very helpful material in them without recommending the volumes in toto.

The practice of ritual magic is demanding and should not be undertaken by yourself alone, or lightly. However, some few specific applications of ritual are benign and helpful even to novices. Don Elkins, Jim McCarty and I used material from these volumes during our contact with the social memory complex of Ra and found it to be efficacious and most uplifting to us all personally as well. It is work done with devotion or not at all, and I hope you will take it most seriously if you decide to pursue this material.
Further, I would greatly appreciate you doing your reading before you use any material. It is important in the context of their contribution to ritual magic and their making this material available that the student who essays its use read what else the authors had to offer.

As a channel you are a bridge from the world of thought to the world of what we see around us. Try in all things to lend your frame of mind to respect and honor the invisible world, both its positive and its negative citizens. All are denizens of the same creation and unique and precious portions of the One Creator. We share consciousness, and we are all literally in it together. Be not afraid!

(10-09-2017, 01:03 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: Dante, I don't believe it's a matter of mental illness as much as a matter of mind over matter...Or in this case, mind over spirit.

I think you should notice when you're being manipulated and override it in mind.

Quote:I also wouldn't subscribe to any system,  I personally just take what seems actual or as I say: True And Real, and just run with it.  I do not believe in demons, only spirits.  I don't even believe in most magic. Hell, I call science magic.

Quote:I understand the concept of STO people of a high caliber attracting dark attention.   I even think in some ways the 5D entity in the Ra Material was an entity belonging to Ra.

I however question the validity of it all.  I suggest you should question it all too.  Re-examine what you believe so doubtlessly to be true.

Also, and I thought of this in regards to Carla's situation,  but have you ever thought of just taking a break from being of service to others?  If it has given you such torment, why do you persist??

What is the drive to do so endlessly to death?  You're human man.  Grab some lemonade, sit back, read a good book, I recommend Hatchet.  Take a break, tell the stuff messing with you to go play in traffic because you're not bothering with it's insanity for now.

Waste their time, if you've done as much sto work as you say then you've polarized enough to merit a break.

I suggest you take the universe's suggestions to (temporarily) cease and desist and just enjoy yourself!

Quote:Just saw your new post.  I think it's curious that you believe a divine dark entity is focusing on you but not a divine good entity.

Note that word, Believe, you believe in a lack of light overlooking you. Would this belief not be empowering to darkness?

Quote:Note also your belief in omnipotence.

I do not believe in omnipotence.  I believe in omniscience. Omnipresence. Many omni's, but not potency. Omnipotence is a fun illusion for the creative being to play with.   I am omnipotent, especially as an artist, a writer, a dungeon master, an author.  I am not omnipotent as a physical being and I promise you no other being is either.   They are stories for fear and control,  omnipotence is a fantasy.

Quote:Darkness is of its self the greatest fantasy, our collective human fascination with violence and horror and conflict in purely fiction is a potential proof of this.  We are fascinated with what is not.

Consider this, scientifically there is no such thing as 'darkness', there is only a less intensity of light.

So next time your faced with 'darkness' and 'negativity', there is hidden Light and positivity to be observed.

For all the dark forces do to conceal themselves, they are actually trying to hide from themselves their own light.  We are all mirrors. Darkness, in a mirror, sees light.

Hence their propensity to concealment.

Humans are no different,  where we realize our evil we try to rectify it with good to points of being irrational.  Hitler thought he was doing good.

Don't play with delusions of darkness.  It's a rabbit hole of the shadow self into places unimaginable but awaiting to be imagined, the dark potential real but still not real.

It's weird how it all goes...  And it relies solely on your focus.

Focus on this gestalts true nature, it's light, don't play the game of darkness it clouds itself within like the freshly aware Demiurge found itself shrouded from all others and seemed it's self the only divine.

Don't play those games.  Don't believe in them.

There's a better way, and I hope that you find it.  Focus on The Truth.