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RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Minyatur - 10-03-2016
Every single thing is sacred, a mirror upon the One.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - YinYang - 10-03-2016
Riveroflight Wrote:I in no shape or form am meaning to imply fear.. I assure you. If it came of that way, I sincerely apologize.
I am merely saying that addressing these blockages sooner than later might be a good idea instead of just standing by the side of the road taking the corn syrup because the whole nation is doing it too. Q'uo, Ra, and others, have explained one of the reasons this ascension earth progression is going to be so destructive is because of the negative practices of this planet, that it actually didn't have to be this way. That Gaia herself is being poisoned by the very collective consciousness of the people. That it could have been a smooth & peaceful transition. And so, if that matters at all, I'm merely stressing that it takes courage to move away from certain behaviors when every one is doing it too, and, no one ever said it would be easy. So let's calm down here.
No fear implied - In an earlier reply, I couldn't have been more kind/gracious when suggesting spending time in nature to curb the 'urges' to play in these lower realms. I have also said many times how wonderful sex can be, and how I myself, do love sex - how it can even be a key to ascension and consciousness evolution. Obviously, I am not anti-sex here nor have I suggested I'm a crazy religious fanatic and saying "Fear the rapture!". That's laughable. Try to take a look at the whole of everything I have said instead of isolating a sentence.
I'm not a fan of these religious organizations any more than you are, I assure you.
I promise you I am very relaxed. I am a bit of a straight shooter, when I was still in the corporate world, people told me they always got a heart attack when they read my emails! It's a bit of a cultural thing as well, us Boers, we shoot straight! :-) (pun intended) So please forgive that!
So, now that that's out of the way, and this is all in good spirit, let me tell you what I see when I look at your posts.
Resistance and attachment.
You resist the "suchness" of life. Ra said the harvest will be small, it's not a numbers game. We know this planet is "a mess", and yet it's perfect. Everything is perfect, nothing is ever lost. But if you resist the way things are, you cause yourself to suffer. There is immense suffering in attachment, and resisting the way things are.
Let Go of Attachment - Alan Watts / UG Krishnamurti / Terence Mckenna:
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Minyatur - 10-03-2016
@YinYa
I think acceptance is important but that it is also important to be able to look at things objectively.
If someone told you about being into BDSM, would you tell them it's neat they embrace their distortions or would you try to help them see more clearly?
Seeing clearly as in becoming aware they use this as a way to not work on deeper issues within themselves, that this creates further distortions with the potential of creating energitical nodes that become harder and harder to balance as they pile up. (edit: I do not want to deny it can be helpful to the person for a time)
I personally don't care what people do, they are me that is where they're at, but I think it is important to not become a justification for others to indulge in their unhealthy behaviors by wanting to be overly accepting. Here there is to take note that the more you make an other-self aware, the more you make their subsequent choices polarizing. So I'd think it's well to share a more balanced view only if the other person shows signs of desiring to heal, else you might just worsen their current state by trying to control with polarity instead of seeking to be an answer to a need.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - BlatzAdict - 10-03-2016
For a long time I didn't want to say anything in this thread, because I feel that to say one way is wrong and one way is right, is very contradictory to unity and right now I just feel f*** it. It's like saying you're no longer spiritual when you eat meat, or like one someone else remarked as being poisoned. The Victorian era, was one of the most sexually repressive societies in the modern world and never before were there so many rapists, serial killers, and attempts to take bondage to quite an extreme level as a result. Perhaps the problem comes with the box that bdsm is associated with, there are many more sensual games tantrically that share a lot of the same traits with bdsm.
It's easy to judge and set aside a part of our functions and in doing so counts as the opposite of accepting and catalyzing the experience. I can't speak for women, and I can't even speak for other men. A long time ago as a child I witnessed my mom getting bullied by my father, at the time I didn't know what to do other than stand there next to her and cry. I was angry that someone would do something so aggressive to someone else like that and it was that feeling of powerlessness that was the hardest to deal with. As I came to understand society as patriarchal, I gravitated towards situations where I suppose I could see women in power. If society would not balance itself, then how would it eventually balance? Of course that comes when starting to look at the divine feminine and divine masculine archetypes as qualities of the self.
At the heart of any Dzogchen Buddhist practice it is to see yourself as the void and being able to meet nothingness with love rather than fear in order to transmute your physical self back into a light body. Historically all religions have had some sort of difficult ritual as a test to maintain a blissful state under distressing situations. Is it a means of escape or is it a means of confronting that which is uncomfortable in order so that it may be accepted and ultimately healed? I don't think that there can be a defined cut and dry one size fits all meaning, and there are people who have taken it to the large extremes of signing a contract to go live a life of servitude. I knew someone who was in that situation, and at that time i think they wanted to be put in that space of feeling safety to explore uncomfortable situations and as a result change how one further reacts to that uncomfortable situation.
The danger of anything, is when anything is taken to an extreme, and a lot of the opinions here seemed seemed to take a judgemental attitude to the concepts which demean the lifestyle and the very individuals who engage in that world, which again is enough to make anyone hesitate to say anything, not just women. I witnessed in my opinion both positive and negative things about bdsm as a whole, but it's not like anything else in the world is completely positive or negative. I've come to understand 100% STO is evil because if you are always thinking of others and never thinking of yourself, then you go towards a police state with mass surveillance.
I don't know how many times I've heard you need to love yourself if you are going to learn how to love others. Does this mean Jesus did not truly love others because he could not love himself enough to take care of himself, as a result creating the martyrdom complex? He did end up using his powers to ultimately harm someone when he was younger. Of course that led to a positive direction, however prior to that event Jeshua would have been just as ignorant to his emotions and as a result may of used them to harm another due to a perceived threat.
The entire reason why sixth density wanderers incarnate into third density as powerless, is not to harm others and not to break the illusion of free will but to work around it. Sixth density souls by the law of free will incarnating into a limited powerless state, lack of past life recall, lacking of any advanced psychic abilities is like a tease and denial, because the dreams sometimes tease you of far out realities, technologies, societies, and then it's back to reality. Whenever some TV show ends on a cliffhanger, is a form of a tease and a denial. Many things are tested within that, like patience, and fortitude, as well as rejection, and thus also abandonment.
The way I've come to learn it in a very simplistic way is that if i don't know how to take care of myself, then how can I be expected to take care of others in a way that befits them? Anyone having any such capabilities would end up being destructive without the right wisdom. The best teachers say the thing that makes you feel the most uncomfortable, because it's not about making you feel good, it's about facing the parts of yourself that are difficult so that you can heal that part of yourself and ultimately reach your own mastery.
I saw this play where a young man asks his father, do you like me? The father says where does it say that I have to like you? i clothe you, feed you, house you, and i don't charge you a thing, and you think i don't like you? I love you, i don't need to like you because I love you and gave you life. Real love, isn't always proper and nice on the outside, sometimes love is tough. Love gets tough when you experience hurt, separation or you feel that your trust has been broken.
At first I thought there was something wrong with me because clearly I went with the first opinion, oh anything bdsm is bad, it leads to negative polarization. The years served to create more excuses to repress it, rather than to deal with it directly. The repression of it led to wanting to experience it more so. What I started to recognize from it was that I wanted to experience sex with full presence on both sides, to have an energy exchange at all of the chakras, I'm starting to believe it's only possible with someone else who has had some sort of a shaman training or is naturally perhaps by current life; adept.
There are a lot of parallels with tantric sex and bdsm. The point of both is simply no expectation, our society wants to put a label on sex, it wants to put a label on war, it wants to categorize every part of our human experience and put it all into a box. There is a certain electricity that becomes very palpable when two people aren't expecting anything and are just experiencing each other whilst having no thoughts whatsoever. It feels magical, powerful, and the worst thing anyone can do is impose shame on a natural function of a body that has been designed by the creator. What other people get out of it might be entirely different, I suppose. In an attempt to find a sexual energy transfer containing all of the chakras, it's lead to a few realizations, there's not that many people who read or scholar the Law of One or seek that enough to recognize what it is that they are attempting to want, and as a result are not able to manifest the right condition for the positive focus wherein it would lead to a negative focusing of the same light/line of thought or action because of either a Half full or half empty perspective.
Nobody likes a song with all harmony and no malody to make one understand why the harmony was so good in the first place. The use of complementary colors in paintings to emphasize the specific color and make it stand out more. Like when you paint a tree, it doesn't stand out until it has it's shade and it's light, it would instead blend in with the background. Likewise there's no sex that can be called sex without at least a nibble or two or five.
I don't know what it's like to experience sex with someone who is on the spiritual path and balanced. I'd imagine being able to reach light body with a balanced feminine and masculine understanding as traits within the self, within both partners engaging in that sexual act as long as both partners were both adept and balanced.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - YinYang - 10-03-2016
Minya Wrote:I think acceptance is important but that it is also important to be able to look at things objectively.
Quote:Questioner: This brings out the point of the purpose of the physical incarnation, I believe. And that is to reach a conviction through your own thought processes as to a solution to problems and understandings in a totally free situation with no proof at all or anything that you would consider proof, proof being a very poor word in itself. Can you expand on my concept?
Ra: I am Ra. Your opinion is an eloquent one although somewhat confused in its connections between the freedom expressed by subjective knowing and the freedom expressed by subjective acceptance. There is a significant distinction between the two. This is not a dimension of knowing, even subjectively, due to the lack of overview of cosmic and other in-pourings which affect each and every situation which produces catalyst. The subjective acceptance of that which is at the moment and the finding of love within that moment is the greater freedom.
That known as the subjective knowing without proof is, in some degree, a poor friend for there will be anomalies no matter how much information is garnered due to the distortions which form third-density.
Minya Wrote:If someone told you about being into BDSM, would you tell them it's neat they embrace their distortions or would you try to help them see more clearly?
I would say "that's nice... waiter! Check please!" ~just kidding~
I cannot tell you what my approach would be (if any at all), because it would be unique to the individual in question. But I can assure you there won't be any judgement of guilt trips involved.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Minyatur - 10-03-2016
@Blatz
About your example with Jeshua, you might consider the imbalance toward martyrdom you mentioned might be exactly why he cast so much shadows through time. That is why I find it very foolish to seek polarity without wisdom, it's like wanting a power you won't have the clear-sight to use correctly. I get that this is part of the learning process, but you end up having people believing way too hard that they are positive while blind (in their conscious mind, none is ever truly blind) to the impurity of their positively-charged intent.
I do believe Jeshua is such a case. Instead of graduating toward 5D and seeking wisdom, he sought to incarnate in the full power and glory of his 4D self and ended up casting quite a lot of shadows with his "positive" intent.
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to remain on topic (plenum is watching), good and well balanced post *claps claps claps*
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Minyatur - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 07:00 PM)YinYang Wrote:Minya Wrote:I think acceptance is important but that it is also important to be able to look at things objectively.
Quote:Questioner: This brings out the point of the purpose of the physical incarnation, I believe. And that is to reach a conviction through your own thought processes as to a solution to problems and understandings in a totally free situation with no proof at all or anything that you would consider proof, proof being a very poor word in itself. Can you expand on my concept?
Ra: I am Ra. Your opinion is an eloquent one although somewhat confused in its connections between the freedom expressed by subjective knowing and the freedom expressed by subjective acceptance. There is a significant distinction between the two. This is not a dimension of knowing, even subjectively, due to the lack of overview of cosmic and other in-pourings which affect each and every situation which produces catalyst. The subjective acceptance of that which is at the moment and the finding of love within that moment is the greater freedom.
That known as the subjective knowing without proof is, in some degree, a poor friend for there will be anomalies no matter how much information is garnered due to the distortions which form third-density.
Minya Wrote:If someone told you about being into BDSM, would you tell them it's neat they embrace their distortions or would you try to help them see more clearly?
I would say "that's nice... waiter! Check please!" ~just kidding~
I cannot tell you what my approach would be (if any at all), because it would be unique to the individual in question. But I can assure you there won't be any judgement of guilt trips involved.
Best answer, each interaction is of a unique nature.
To me, seeking to understand is a mean to love more. Is that not what we do as the Creator? WE could love what WE are as just white light, but loving the white light WE can be would be the whole of it. Instead WE distort what WE are, infinitely & eternally, so that from all perspective WE learn to love the mirror it is upon US. In each distortion, WE find a new way to love what WE are. That's basically how I see the point of this entire universe, empowering the love WE have by making more complex the reflection of the object of OUR love. I made a bit of an emphasis on the unity aspect because I think this process all starts and ends as One.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Jade - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 11:54 AM)Minyatur Wrote:(10-03-2016, 10:15 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Are they something to plunder/be plundered, or are they something to treat with gentle, delicate efforts, like a fragile bloom?
I think this mentality misses on something. People are not either a plunderable prostitute or an overly fragile flowers that needs constant extra care. The Creator adapts and evolves and forever becomes stronger from it's experiences. Once it moves beyond having been a fragile flower that needed extra care, whether because it grows tired of receiving that or because it experienced a lack of it, then it is something other that needs to be seen as such.
There's just so many people that would just tell you to f*** off if you went to them treating them like a delicate flower. Why? Because they aren't a delicate flower and don't want to be treated as such. Not talking about a case where compassion hurts the other-self because of emotional wounds, just that they really don't see themselves as a delicate flower, which is, to some extent, a self-disempowering view of the self.
The point I was trying to make was that the butterfly treats the flower as it needs to be treated to have the most harmonic and mutually beneficial interaction possible. Treating others how they want to be treated is a delicate act in itself, because of the fact that there are infinite nuances in each interaction, just as there are infinite types of structures and folds that a flower can use to protect its nectar. I'm not implying a fragility in all other selves. I'm implying a fragility in the art of serving all other selves.
Most people don't want a stranger to come upon them in an aggressive manner upon first meaning. We also can't just rush into every situation in a super hero costume once we resolve to serve others. Most initial engagements involve a trepidation, a testing of the waters. I don't see flowers as something to be overly coddled or protected. But if you've ever raised plants that grow flowers, you know that to make a plant happy enough to even put forth a bud that turns into a full bloom usually takes a lot of specific care.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - octavia - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 07:15 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I do believe Jeshua is such a case. Instead of graduating toward 5D and seeking wisdom, he sought to incarnate in the full power and glory of his 4D self and ended up casting quite a lot of shadows with his "positive" intent.
I am a little bit unclear on this statement, as unless I am mistaken Jesus incarnated on earth as a 4th density wanderer and is now currently in the 5th density.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Minyatur - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 07:30 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote:(10-03-2016, 11:54 AM)Minyatur Wrote:(10-03-2016, 10:15 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: Are they something to plunder/be plundered, or are they something to treat with gentle, delicate efforts, like a fragile bloom?
I think this mentality misses on something. People are not either a plunderable prostitute or an overly fragile flowers that needs constant extra care. The Creator adapts and evolves and forever becomes stronger from it's experiences. Once it moves beyond having been a fragile flower that needed extra care, whether because it grows tired of receiving that or because it experienced a lack of it, then it is something other that needs to be seen as such.
There's just so many people that would just tell you to f*** off if you went to them treating them like a delicate flower. Why? Because they aren't a delicate flower and don't want to be treated as such. Not talking about a case where compassion hurts the other-self because of emotional wounds, just that they really don't see themselves as a delicate flower, which is, to some extent, a self-disempowering view of the self.
The point I was trying to make was that the butterfly treats the flower as it needs to be treated to have the most harmonic and mutually beneficial interaction possible. Treating others how they want to be treated is a delicate act in itself, because of the fact that there are infinite nuances in each interaction, just as there are infinite types of structures and folds that a flower can use to protect its nectar. I'm not implying a fragility in all other selves. I'm implying a fragility in the art of serving all other selves.
Most people don't want a stranger to come upon them in an aggressive manner upon first meaning. We also can't just rush into every situation in a super hero costume once we resolve to serve others. Most initial engagements involve a trepidation, a testing of the waters. I don't see flowers as something to be overly coddled or protected. But if you've ever raised plants that grow flowers, you know that to make a plant happy enough to even put forth a bud that turns into a full bloom usually takes a lot of specific care.
My point was more that sometimes distortions are mutually beneficial. Some girls could not be able to have a non-BDSM relationship and need someone who will also want that without faking liking it. In those cases, if you can't enjoy it then you just can't be the answer to someone else's needs and you need someone with the right distortions to provide service. Eventually they both can learn to love themselves in a manner which could be impossible if they tried to learn to love themselves with someone who doesn't resonate with their distortions.
We're not many for anything and we're not meant to be a way that can serve everyone. We're meant to be the answer to those we truly resonate with, and that comes in any kind of color.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Minyatur - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 07:37 PM)octavia Wrote:(10-03-2016, 07:15 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I do believe Jeshua is such a case. Instead of graduating toward 5D and seeking wisdom, he sought to incarnate in the full power and glory of his 4D self and ended up casting quite a lot of shadows with his "positive" intent.
I am a little bit unclear on this statement, as unless I am mistaken Jesus incarnated on earth as a 4th density wanderer who is now currently in the 5th density.
Wanderers of lower densities are a rare occurrence and Ra said he was of the highest level of 4th density, which means at the door of the 5th density and I really don't think wandering is an efficient mean of moving toward the 5th density from the 4th. I think it's really just more likely to mess up the momentum of polarity you've been working on to do the movement. (I'd think here there's been some reasoning that it's more loving to do an outer expression of love than just focus on personal evolution, unwise.. and something that casts shadows without admitting to itself it does, is how I feel about it)
There's just a few cases like this that triggers a form of irritation within me that I feel a need to express for some reason.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - octavia - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 07:47 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Wanderers of lower densities are a rare occurrence and Ra said he was of the highest level of 4th density, which means at the door of the 5th density and I really don't think wandering is an efficient mean of moving toward the 5th density from the 4th. I think it's really just more likely to mess up the momentum of polarity you've been working on to do the movement. (I'd think here there's been some reasoning that it's more loving to do an outer expression of love than just focus on personal evolution, unwise.. and something that casts shadows without admitting to itself it does, is how I feel about it)
There's just a few cases like this that triggers a form of irritation within me that I feel a need to express for some reason.
This is of course my personal opinion, but from the Ra material, it seems safe to me to conclude that Jesus graduated to 5th density after his incarnation on earth.
Here is my reasoning:
A1. Approximately 2000 or so years have passed since the life of Jesus Christ.
A2. Ra says that the average age of a 4th density being is 90,000 years. [43.11]
A3. Ra says that Jesus now resides in the 5th density. [17.21]
4. Therefore, Jesus did not incarnate again in the 4th density following his incarnation on earth.
5. Therefore, Jesus's incarnation on earth resulted in his graduating to the 5th density.
Personal opinions aside, it is perfectly understandable/reasonable to feel and express irritation. I myself struggle with this daily. : )
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Minyatur - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 08:01 PM)octavia Wrote: This is of course my personal opinion, but from the Ra material, it seems safe to me to conclude that Jesus graduated to 5th density after his incarnation on earth.
Here is my reasoning:
A1. Approximately 2000 or so years have passed since the life of Jesus Christ.
A2. Ra says that the average age of a 4th density being is 90,000 years. [43.11]
A3. Ra says that Jesus now resides in the 5th density. [17.21]
4. Therefore, Jesus did not incarnate again in the 4th density following his incarnation on earth.
5. Therefore, Jesus's incarnation on earth resulted in his graduating to the 5th density.
Personal opinions aside, it is perfectly understandable/reasonable to feel and express irritation. I myself struggle with this daily.
I didn't mean that, meant the incarnation as Jesus was unwise and likely to cast shadows.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - octavia - 10-03-2016
(10-03-2016, 08:21 PM)Minyatur Wrote: I didn't mean that, meant the incarnation as Jesus was unwise and likely to cast shadows.
Oh, whoops!
I think that 2 difficulties of wandering come to mind when we discuss the service of wandering in the context of Jesus's life:
The first difficulty is that of time. Due to the short window of 3rd density, had Jesus waited to graduate to 5th density so that he could come to earth as a 5th density wanderer, it seems likely to me that he would have missed Earth's harvest entirely.
The second difficulty is that I believe the perils of wandering to persist regardless of our density of origin, whether it be the density of love, the density of wisdom, or the density of unity. I believe that even if Jesus had come to earth as a 5th density wanderer, there still would have been great perils or what we could also call the potential for shadows.
I think that Ra's story of the two positive 5th density wanderers on Venus who unwittingly harvested into the negative 4th density is a fantastic example of this second difficulty. [Session 89]
Quote:89.35 Questioner: What was the catalyst for their change?
Ra: I am Ra. In our peoples there was what may be considered, from the viewpoint of wisdom, an overabundance of love. These entities looked at those still in darkness and saw that those of a neutral or somewhat negative viewpoint found such harmony, shall we say, sickening. The Wanderers felt that a more wisdom-oriented way of seeking love could be more appealing to those in darkness.
First one entity began its work. Quickly the second found the first. These entities had agreed to serve together and so they did, glorifying the One Creator, but not as they intended. About them were soon gathered those who found it easy to believe that a series of specific knowledges and wisdoms would advance one towards the Creator. The end of this was the graduation into fourth-density negative of the Wanderers, which had much power of personality, and some small deepening of the negatively polarized element of those not polarizing positively. There was no negative harvest as such.
[Apologies to JasonD for the tangent!]
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - YinYang - 10-04-2016
Minya Wrote:To me, seeking to understand is a mean to love more.
Absolutely, wisdom and love are two sides of the same coin. Ra has given us wisdom with regard to this particular matter, we know it's due to a blockage in one of the bottom rays. But a remembrance that "I am all things" helps one to tone down the judgement.
To give an example, it's like when you see elitism and superiority in someone, and just before that revulsion wells up, you remember that "I am all things". I also have elitism and superiority inside of me, I am just perhaps further along the path of balancing those distortions with their antitheses, but there was a time not too long ago when I was quite unbalanced with those particular aspects.
We are all unique, someone might have an issue with a particular blockage and I may not, but I have another blockage of another sort which that person again doesn't have, and so it goes.
The guys here who admit to such desires, are much further along the path of balancing those distortions, since honesty with oneself is imperative before one can start investigating the possible source and attempt the balancing process.
Find love, but find love in truth. In this environment it's easier, because Ra has shed some light on the matter, but in real life it's a whole nother ball game, because telling someone their 2nd or 3rd ray has a partial or full blockage might not yield the best results! Then it's best to proceed delicately, and as Jade says, test the waters. Quickest way to close the door, is judgement, guilt trips and casting stones. No-one will hang around for long where they are judged.
And if you have such desires, it's a nice clue to where the blockage is, investigate the why, and attempt to open it up, since our chakras are like a river, the water flows from the bottom upwards, and a blockage stops the water.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Minyatur - 10-04-2016
Another helpful reminder is that distortions are something born of love, so quite the opposite of something that shouldn't be loved.
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RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - EvolvingPhoenix - 02-27-2020
(10-03-2016, 12:17 PM)Riveroflight Wrote:(09-29-2016, 05:01 PM)JasonD Wrote: Hi,
I wanted to ask a question about this particular quote in the Law of One regarding bondage:
Quote:The yellow ray is a focal and very powerful ray and concerns the entity in relation to, shall we say, groups, societies, or large numbers of mind/body/spirit complexes. This orange — we correct ourselves — this yellow-ray vibration is at the heart of bellicose actions in which one group of entities feel the necessity and right of dominating other groups of entities and bending their wills to the wills of the masters. The negative path, as you would call it, uses a combination of the yellow ray and the orange ray in its polarization patterns. These rays, used in a dedicated fashion, will bring about a contact with intelligent infinity. The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage. When there are two selves vibrating in this area the potential for polarization through the sexual interaction is begun, one entity experiencing the pleasure of humiliation and slavery or bondage, the other experiencing the pleasure of mastery and control over another entity. In this way a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity is experienced.
So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
Sexual activity is sacred. I realize most of the people on these forums are entirely male. Women seem to shy away from spiritual discussions because they're quickly outnumbered. There is something you all have to learn about this, but you aren't going to learn it from one another in a state of perversion. You are going to have to listen to a female spiritual master one day (and I am not saying its me). But she's out there. Women just get a bad rep because they themselves engage in the illusion so fiercely in order to survive, and have yet to activate their true inner female divine energy. Which, does not come in the form of pornography, I am sorry to break it to every one.
But all I have to say again is: Sex is sacred. It is not cheap, should not come in the form of prostitution, photographs, videos, etc... It is sacred, and it can be used for ascension/consciousness evolution between two people who are bonded spiritually and emotionally. That bond does not exist between people who are prostituting themselves and receiving money to show you videos of dark forms of sexual activity. Sex is a pure, very pure act. I might sound like a Christian here, but I assure you I do not do labels nor am I religious.
I can honestly say that engaging in pornography as opposed to exploring the possibility of complete and total "soul fusion" through sacredly practiced sex, will in the end, keep you on the negative path. Porn is DE-sentiziing to the soul, and it is poison. Men tell themselves (actually, their egos tell them) about a thousand lies to justify it and call it wholesome. This is huge part of why the world WILL NOT be ascending. We need a female teacher in this world, desperately.
It does not matter that you are not a Christian, are not religious and do not bother with labels. You recognize that you "sound like a Christian" because you unconsciously or semi-consciously recognize that, just like many Christians are taught to do, you are REPRESSING sexuality and disguising your self denial as some sort of preference for positivity, when really, you just don't like that shadow "prostitute" aspect of yourself. That is why you realize you sound like a Christian.
Here's a few clues for you: a) you label perversions as "perversions" B) You prescribe your preferred and supposedly "positive" sexual practice beginning with the words "should not" (which are inherently negative) when describing negative ones, c) You feel negative practices need justification (they do not. They need only honest assessment as to why one does them to be useful) and d) you somehow mix into the discussion your self-projected sexism, thinking the world "desperately needs" a female teacher or that 'we'll (I love this next choice of words you seriously thought were positive) "will one day HAVE TO listen to a female teacher"
No we don't, and no we won't.
We do not "have to" do anything, there is no "should" or "should not" and the genitalia of an illuminated being is of little difference. Only their TRUTH is what is important and there is no truth that is of gravely serious import for harvest that a female can attain which a male cannot, and vice versa. The structure of consciousness, as Reaper has pointed out, is the same regardless.
Oh, and on top of that, you believe listening to a female teacher is the necessary prerequisite to BDSM going out of style, which is bullshit.
Ra himself put it best: "Desire is to be accepted and understood"
Does ANY of what you just wrote sound like acceptance and understanding of such desire to you?
Can you HONESTLY say it is?
Probably not, because as you have shown in the prior post, you cannot currently "honestly" say anything about the subject matter. Not so long as you are being dishonest with yourself. The fact that you express such clear judgement about it is an indicator that this very desire has some sort of place within you that you are rejecting and suppressing. What do you think will happen to the desire as you continue to do that? I may have problems, but repressing my sexuality is at least thankfully not one of them.
Negative practices need no justification (except when trying to avoid social consequence) and the divine carries no judgement on the matter. Only the self might.
I used to be into BDSM but I have largely lost my taste for it as a natural result of my healing process. It's just plain not as interesting as it once was to me, because I have accepted that desire and now I accept newer desires for more intimate connection. I still accept those desires which are different however, and feel no need to "justify: anything, because I HAVE no need to "justify" anything.
We do not need teachers of any particular race, ethnicity, gender or whatever.
What is important is that whoever teaches, is HONEST in their teachings.
I do not perceive honesty in what you just wrote.
Just self-deception, sexual repression, projected sexism and general shaming mechanisms at play.
If I had taken YOUR approach to BDSM, I would undoubtedly have an even bigger fetish for it than I used to have (rather than no longer feeling it has much appeal anymore like I do now), but then again I'm a male, so I guess that invalidates my opinion. Whatever.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - EvolvingPhoenix - 02-27-2020
(09-30-2016, 03:51 PM)ricdaw Wrote: BDSM or S&M
(09-30-2016, 10:52 AM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: I'm going to come in and be a bit of a party pooper. Firstly, I agree with what everyone has said. I just want to add the caveat that as spiritually aware beings, being frivolous with our potential to use sexual magic seems irresponsible to me. There are a lot of things in third density that are enjoyable and fun because they involve separation. Our sexual "issues" as a society run extremely deep. I think pornography has desensitized us to these issues. We say that consent is the main factor, but we consent to a lot of things that supersede our free will or involve a negative energy transfer. We can color it with enjoyment all we want but none of the words that are represented by the letters in BDSM imply equivalency of energy exchange by two parties. In fact, most of them are mentioned in this quote about how we experience negative sexual energy transfers:
Quote:The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage. When there are two selves vibrating in this area the potential for polarization through the sexual interaction is begun, one entity experiencing the pleasure of humiliation and slavery or bondage, the other experiencing the pleasure of mastery and control over another entity. In this way a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity is experienced.
Quote:In [fourth] ray there are two possibilities. Firstly, if both vibrate in [fourth] ray there will be a mutually strengthening energy transfer, the negative or female, as you call it, drawing the energy from the roots of the beingness up through the energy centers, thus being physically revitalized; the positive, or male polarity, as it is deemed in your illusion, finding in this energy transfer an inspiration which satisfies and feeds the spirit portion of the body/mind/spirit complex, thus both being polarized and releasing the excess of that which each has in abundance by nature of intelligent energy, that is, negative/intuitive, positive/physical energies as you may call them; this energy transfer being blocked only if one or both entities have fear of possession, of being possessed, of desiring possession or desiring being possessed.
The other green-ray possibility is that of one entity offering green-ray energy, the other not offering energy of the universal love energy, this resulting in a blockage of energy for the one not green ray thus increasing frustration or appetite; the green-ray being polarizing slightly towards service to others.
As green ray activated entities, we have a responsibility to attempt to move all of our energy transfers and desires into the green-ray. I'm not saying that anyone's going to be close to 100% STO, but I'm saying that aiming for the low bar of 51% and calling it good is hardly a way to be an awake spiritual entity. As we look upon ourselves and become aware of potentially destructive actions, we should desire to elevate these actions and not justify continuing to revel in them. We create pathways in our brains by our repeated actions - if you continuously create a pleasure response from a negative energy transfer, that effect will snowball upon itself to the point where you desire the negative energy transfer more and more. Sexual gratification creates an intense feedback loop.
I'm sorry, Jade, but I'm going to take issue with this characterization.
First, there is a difference between having BDSM or S&M sex, and deliberately using BDSM or S&M sex as a means of control.
The Ra quote does not say that BDSM and S&M sex is negative sex, the quote is that people who are already deeply STS are most of the time doing BDSM or S&M sex: "The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage."
That STS people who have sex do BDSM and S&M sex is not equivalent to people who do BDSM or S&M are negative or STS. This is a logical fallacy.
Which means, fully activated green ray people can do BDSM/S&M for fun as often as they want to, and utterly without depolarizing, or having any responsibility to move the energy transfers to green ray. As a point in fact, a person could do BDSM or S&M for a lover entirely out of LOVE because that is the ask the other partner makes. "Ok honey, that sounds weird, but I love you. So I'm game to try."
There are no "shoulds" in sex.
Asking a partner to do some role play is just like any other request for service (no pun intended) and it neither needs to be suppressed, overcome. It is NOT destructive.
Indeed, while Ra is silent on this point, the fact that when two STS entities do BDSM results in "a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity" does not mean that when two STO entities do the very same thing that their sex is converted to negative.
The most we can take from Ra's words is that STS people, when they have sex, "the usual nature" of their sexual interaction is negative energy transfer.
The reverse is nowhere expressed by Ra, that master/servant sex is inherently negative or that it cannot result in positive energy transfer.
So, for a general audience, if you find that you have "insatiable hunger" for BDSM or S&M sex, and that you "usually" engage in BDSM sex, and that you are already on the negative path, then and only then could you reasonably conclude, in reliance upon Ra's words, that your sexual exchange is of a negative polarity and that continuing to engage in such practices "will bring about a contact with intelligent infinity."
Otherwise, you have nothing to fear from this kinky, but otherwise harmless, and possibly quite fun, sexual activity.
Oh ricdaw... IF ONLY you were a woman... then what you said might matter. But alas, you are a man and your opinion is just mansplaining. I'm afraid what the world REALLY needs is to hear what a chick has to say about it, because, well, she's a chick. And that means her P.O.V. matters more.
Ahh... "equality"
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Reaper - 02-27-2020
Sexual fetishes in and of themselves merely indicate distortions in the flow of sexual energy, usually centered in orange ray. They only lend themselves to negativity if they are being used to purposefully manipulate, control and gain power over others.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Ray711 - 02-28-2020
(02-27-2020, 12:08 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: I used to be into BDSM but I have largely lost my taste for it as a natural result of my healing process. It's just plain not as interesting as it once was to me, because I have accepted that desire and now I accept newer desires for more intimate connection.
I agree with taking this non-judgmental and accepting approach to one's likes, tendencies and desires.
On the subject of pornography as a whole, I think that the female perspective sometimes ignores the fact that male anatomy works in such a way that it automatically discharges sexual energy every few weeks if the man himself doesn't do it. To those women who have criticized pornography as a whole and the male tendency to resort to it, I would urge you to think about this for a second, and the huge implications of such a fact. If the male body itself is designed to do this, imagine the powerful and ever-present influence that sexuality has on the male mind. It's easy to label this as negative, to belittle it, to consider it impure, unwholesome, as a stumbling block towards positive polarization, or claim why this shouldn't happen under the justification that this tendency has such and such negative consequences for women.
However, I would point out that male biology works like this for a very good reason. The red ray is the same in some aspects for both genders, but in other aspects the male red ray and the female red ray are completely different beasts. What's adaptive for one gender is not so for the other. For the male, during second density, passing on one's genes was much more likely to happen if he made use of any and all opportunities to mate. For females, the opposite was true. Females had to be picky about who they mated with. Whereas the female can only have offspring so many times in her lifetime, the male can have virtually unlimited offspring. This is a tendency that reflects the archetypal and divine values of each gender; the masculine being proactive and all giving, with unlimited energy to send everyone around him; the feminine being receptive and embracing, using this energy that she receives to create something of beauty. Of course, we're talking about the red ray level of being, which means that these archetypes are going to look what we may call crass and untasteful. However, like Ra points out, the red ray is the foundation of all that is to come. Without it, the higher expressions of the masculine and of the feminine would simply not exist.
Now, when it comes to porn, and more specifically online pornography, what we have today has some very obvious dangers. Male psychology is literally wired to get more aroused at the prospect of having sex with a new partner. Online pornography makes it so that every man has access to what is basically an unlimited number of women. It doesn't matter if he doesn't get to have actual intercourse with them; in these terms, the brain doesn't make that distinction fully. In this sense, pornography can be very pernicious to the male mind, because it hijacks the natural drive of the male red ray, giving it exactly what it desires, and this most definitely can lead to preferring to watch pornography over having sex with one's partner.
On the other hand, going back to the male's body being designed to discharge sexual energy on its own, it's completely understandable that the huge majority of men would seek an outlet in the form or porn. Especially when single, and doubly so for those men who haven't been very successful with women. What is to be done in such circumstances, exactly? This is a challenge for any man, no matter how pure or noble, no matter how much positively polarized.
Ra talked about marriage being an adversarial relationship in our society. This pattern also exists at the red ray level. What is adaptive for one gender isn't so for the other. Each gender naturally wishes the other one to abandon the tendencies that it has, because they are not aligned with the self's wishes. But when we sit down and examine the reasons why each gender has the instincts that it has, they make complete and perfect sense. They exist for a very good reason. As a species, we wouldn't have survived from the second to the third density without them. Much conflict in the forms of judging and invalidation is created because of a lack of understanding of these patterns.
I think the key is first to recognize that this instinctual/red ray energy is chaotic and random. As such, it's good to always be vigilant not to be controlled and directed in life by one's red ray, be it the male or the female red ray. But at the same time, complete acceptance and lack of judgement of what exists is paramount in the positive polarity. Again, like Ra says, the red ray is the foundation of all that is to come. To denigrate and to judge this energy ray is to deny the opportunity for energy to reach any of the higher energy rays.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Infinite - 02-28-2020
(09-29-2016, 05:01 PM)JasonD Wrote: So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
It's one of many STS actions that keep 3D entities blocked in the three lower chakras way of life. However, I would no use the term "heading" due the fact the negative entitiy is working consciously in STS path. Ra said something like that here:
Quote:The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.(41.14)
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - kristina - 02-29-2020
(02-28-2020, 08:46 AM)Infinite Wrote:(09-29-2016, 05:01 PM)JasonD Wrote: So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
It's one of many STS actions that keep 3D entities blocked in the three lower chakras way of life. However, I would no use the term "heading" due the fact the negative entitiy is working consciously in STS path. Ra said something like that here:
Quote:The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.(41.14)
"Intensively so" and most definitely should consider words like "group energies" and the manipulation of other self for service to self. This is an excellent quote.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - EvolvingPhoenix - 02-29-2020
(02-28-2020, 08:46 AM)Infinite Wrote:(09-29-2016, 05:01 PM)JasonD Wrote: So does that mean that anyone who participates in things such as BDSM or S&M will be heading towards the negative polarity? Even if it's just role playing?
It's one of many STS actions that keep 3D entities blocked in the three lower chakras way of life. However, I would no use the term "heading" due the fact the negative entitiy is working consciously in STS path. Ra said something like that here:
Quote:The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.(41.14)
I feel Reaper, Plenum, ricdaw and I have already kind of debunked this weird "BDSM and/or porn instantly = Negative" notion. I dunno why it persists. I also love that part I just re-read where Jade says as STO beings, we have a responsibility to try to polarize as much as possible. A) no we don't, b) we have a responsibility to UNDERSTAND OUR WILL, and c) If you are doing it, not because it is in accordance with one's true will, but because one feels it is one's "responsibility" to do so, it doesn't count. the whole point of 3D is to UNDERSTAND OUR WILL ENOUGH TO MAKE A DEFINITE CHOICE. As Reaper once said to me: Polarization is the PRODUCT of finding one's will, not the impetus.
If you do positive s***, do it because you WANT to, not because it's your "responsibility" to.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Infinite - 02-29-2020
(02-29-2020, 09:40 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: I feel Reaper, Plenum, ricdaw and I have already kind of debunked this weird "BDSM and/or porn instantly = Negative" notion. I dunno why it persists.
In the really, I don't see discussions in this forum as competition. It's not about who is right or wrong. Opinions should be offered and accepted if desired.
About the subject, I'm basing myself in the Ra's view as also the itself contemplation and reflection about the facts. Everything we do against others is from a negative or STS nature. Even a simple thought. This doesn't means that we are always polarizating towards negative polarity. Also not means we must judge the others or ourselves. As I said, I see these distorions as blockages.
Anyway, I believe the way is accept all distortions in order to achieve the balancing.
Feel free to accept or reject these words.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - EvolvingPhoenix - 02-29-2020
Yeah, I would agree that it is better to perceive them as blockages than what I'm seeing from a lot of comments here. A weird kind of repression.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - kristina - 02-29-2020
Some like it soft and sensual, some like it with the light on, some watch, some like whips and some like to hold the whips...then there are the ones that do all. Fun is where the bed is...lmao
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - Ray711 - 03-03-2020
Some of these quotes were posted in this thread already, but I think there's more to be said about them:
Quote:31.14 Questioner: I was thinking more of the possibility of the Orion group having influenced, say, certain members of the Third Reich who I have read reports of having sexual gratification from the observation of the, in some cases, the gassing and killing of entities in the gas chambers.
Ra: I am Ra. We shall repeat these entities had the potential for sexual energy buildup. The choice of stimulus is certainly the choice of the entity. In the case of which you speak, these entities were strongly polarized orange ray, thus finding the energy blockage of power over others, the putting to death being the ultimate power over others; this then being expressed in a sexual manner, though solitary.
In this case the desire would continue unabated and be virtually unquenchable.
You will find, if you observe the entire spectrum of sexual practices among your peoples, that there are those who experience such gratification from domination over others either from rape or from other means of domination. In each case this is an example of energy blockage which is sexual in its nature.
Quote:The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.
The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.
(...)
All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.
It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.
One can make the case that exploring one's shadow in a safe environment is a tool that can greatly further someone's positive polarization. One such environment is the imagination, as Ra states. Another one is the bed with a willing and consenting partner, where limits are established and the persons involved give each other freedom of expression and freedom of exploration, all under an atmosphere of acceptance, openness and compassion.
Simply brushing under the rug any desires and refusing to explore them and understand them is an act of repression, which is the trademark of the negative polarity. Jade mentioned that the brain strengthens the connections involved when one keeps engaging in one pleasurable activity, which is a good point, but I would say that one's work with the desires and activities involved hasn't finished if these haven't yet been understood and accepted.
The danger of not exploring one's shadow is that one becomes unaware of the potential for evil that resides within the self. When this potential is explored, accepted and even honored, the risk of one's shadow side popping up in an uncontrollable or unconscious way is greatly diminished. This is why shadow work is of utmost importance in the STO path.
I'm sure that many of us have either experienced or heard of instances of people who strove for purity and goodness, but who then engaged in extreme STS acts. Christianity is notorious for this, and this is due to this religion lacking (as I believe Carl Jung said) a system for the integration of one's shadow. Christianity takes the approach revolving around overcoming, suppressing and rejecting, seeing the shadow as a demon, something outside of the self, something impure and dirty that has no business being in the self.
Ra is very explicit about what forms of domination are STS. Enjoying raping someone is STS. Enjoying putting someone to death is STS. For some people, BDSM might be a tool for negative polarization. For others, I think it goes without saying that exploring in a safe and intimate environment even a rape role playing fantasy is vastly different in terms of polarization than finding pleasure in an actual rape. Many such rape fantasies do not even come from a genuine desire to experience actual rape. The main allure is often times for one party the notion of losing all control to one's desires; to the other person, the notion of feeling so desired as to make another person lose control. Such people would have no interest whatsoever in true rape.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - EvolvingPhoenix - 03-03-2020
(10-03-2016, 06:20 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Every single thing is sacred, a mirror upon the One.
**sigh** Easier said than appreciated, for many, it seems.
Truth be told, my self esteem issues seem to have been based in that observation.
RE: Negative Polarity & BDSM - EvolvingPhoenix - 03-03-2020
(03-03-2020, 11:57 AM)Ray711 Wrote: One can make the case that exploring one's shadow in a safe environment is a tool that can greatly further someone's positive polarization. One such environment is the imagination, as Ra states. Another one is the bed with a willing and consenting partner, where limits are established and the persons involved give each other freedom of expression and freedom of exploration, all under an atmosphere of acceptance, openness and compassion.
Simply brushing under the rug any desires and refusing to explore them and understand them is an act of repression, which is the trademark of the negative polarity. Jade mentioned that the brain strengthens the connections involved when one keeps engaging in one pleasurable activity, which is a good point, but I would say that one's work with the desires and activities involved hasn't finished if these haven't yet been understood and accepted.
The danger of not exploring one's shadow is that one becomes unaware of the potential for evil that resides within the self. When this potential is explored, accepted and even honored, the risk of one's shadow side popping up in an uncontrollable or unconscious way is greatly diminished. This is why shadow work is of utmost importance in the STO path.
Yes! I very much cosign this senriment and would lije to add something possibly even MORE important regarding shadow work's essentiality to the STO path:
That STO is about loving the self enough to love the self one sees in another-self.
Is it truly self loving to reject the self reflected back to you in the mirror by a negative seeker?
Part if my healing has involved coming to the decision to view the dissowning of anotherself as disownership of self. After all, didn't Ra say the first separation which occurs is between self and self?
I have learned this through much painful confusion. It seems I am not the only one on this forum to learn this the painful way either. I would warn against such suppression.
Also, suppression mixed with attachment to a self-identity as STO seems to stunt progress in the STO direction or possibly even ANY direction. This is yet another matter in which I speak from experience and admittedly still am unkinking the knots of. I came to a realization today that I mirror repressive people such as these in that I have a clear lust for life inside of me, yet because I have been repressing myself for so long, have been quite dormant and "dead inside" throughout much of life, masochistically denying myself passionate experience on one hand and then indulging my sense of lust by masochistacally fantasizing about my desires from a place of lack rather than step into presence and actually LIVE MY LIFE, limiting my capacity for polarized work.
I warn that there cam be much suffering and self abuse in such repression, and that hurt people hurt people. And thus can cause more suffering inside for both parties.
Part of my strong response has probably been in reaction to a semi-conscious awareness of this and how it has affected me.
Please endeavor yourselves to avoid the unnecessary pain I have inflicted upon myself through repression.
Out of love and compassion, I offer this grave warning.
Please learn from my painful experience rather than finding a way to replicate it. I love the self I see in you all too much to want you to suffer like I have, when you can find your meaning much more harmoniously and polarize in the positive sense much more quickly than I have so far.
At least that's my current take. Easier said than done maybe, but I feel as though warning others like this might help them to avoid the pain I've put myself through.
If anyone here REALLY finds abuse unhealthy, I urge you (if you repress yourselves) to be more loving to the shadow self you see in the mirror when it comes to one's desires. Disowning the self reflected in another is unloving to both self and other-self. Trust me on this.
Repression is self abuse that can lead oneself to unconsciously abuse others selves (as pointed out) and in my view this is why. I know firsthand.
Trust me when I say, it is neither positive, nor enjoyable to treat oneself this way. Please avoid replicating my self abuse.