(09-09-2016, 04:10 PM)Ashim Wrote: ...
Ignorning darkness is a denial of an aspect of self. 
Are you not all things?

(09-09-2016, 05:50 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Of course and your free will to choose is how you gain momentum across densities in this Octave, so can't really escape that unless you wanna forever remain at the same level (middle path ftw, let's observe others polarize and realize polarity is never our true identity)

I don't see a problem with what you said, my post was more general and was left open in a tab since this morning.

(09-10-2016, 03:51 AM)peregrine Wrote: Put another way, Ashim, you offered paranoid, fear inspiring information that some people read, but no one seems to have latched onto.  And, yes, some were upset by it.

Heck, that's more response than I get to most of my postings.  What's to complain about?

(09-10-2016, 03:28 AM)Ashim Wrote: Next someone gets upset because I'm "helping to disseminate conspiracy theories".
This, I told the poster, was being silly. Then said poster says I'm using insults, being disrespectful etc, goes in the huff and heads for bed.
Like so many 'spiritual types' things are fine, lovey dovey and space bunny until someone disagrees with them. I'm not sure about  APeacefulWarrior, sure seemed fairly aggresive to me.

(09-10-2016, 04:33 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote:

(09-10-2016, 03:28 AM)Ashim Wrote: Next someone gets upset because I'm "helping to disseminate conspiracy theories".
This, I told the poster, was being silly. Then said poster says I'm using insults, being disrespectful etc, goes in the huff and heads for bed.
Like so many 'spiritual types' things are fine, lovey dovey and space bunny until someone disagrees with them. I'm not sure about  APeacefulWarrior, sure seemed fairly aggresive to me.

Ashim, I didn't even reply to you directly, initially.  I replied to Peregrine about what I felt was a problem with spreading conspiracy theories in general.  I did not address you or even mention you, and I certainly did not accuse you specifically of anything.  Then you chose to respond to me directly, and in the process, misrepresented what I said and judged me on it.  Then when I tried to clarify my intentions, you did this again, and again.  You didn't respond to my words, but to rewritten versions of them which often had very little direct relationship to what I had really written.  

Then you called me silly, and immediately denied it afterward.  I'm still baffled by that, but at least you're admitting it now.  Otherwise, virtually everything you wrote about me saying you "should not come on here and spread information about the Law of One" or your "dark machinations" was simply NOT part of anything I actually wrote.  Your rewritten versions of my posts are vastly more aggressive than anything I really said.  As far as I can see, the worst thing I wrote was asking if your idea of integrating the darkness involved disseminating conspiracy theories.  But you ignored the question and insulted me instead.

Do you honestly not understand why I'd get sick of this behavior and give up on trying to have a productive discussion?

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So... you "integrate" conspiracy theories by helping disseminate them, whether they're true or not? 



Well, it's your choice, but I tend to think that negative entities can fend for themselves and don't need much extra help. I'm more concerned about the damage such tall tales do to the unwary and the unprepared. Accepting that dark elements unavoidably exist doesn't necessarily mean disregarding the pain they can cause. 

(09-10-2016, 04:57 AM)Ashim Wrote: Ok Peaceful, let me put it this way, you appear to be occuping somewhat raised if not higher moral ground. It is not your place to censor information to others. There are forum rules in place that deal with this. I really believe that you are concerned about the potential for damage that "tall tales" may cause, but I do not think that you should take up position as a self appointed guardian of the conspiracies. The "unwary and the unprepared" do not need you to contribute a bias. I would genuinly welcome a discussion based on the information that I linked too because I found it enlightening. I say nothing about it being 'truthful', as this, I believe, is the responsibility of the reader to pass judgement on.
To be honest this is a forum about similar information 'channeled through the ether' from space aliens claiming to come from venus and having built pyramids using "thought". I mean come on, how this 'conspiracy theory' differers from any of the stuff I posted is beyond me.

(09-10-2016, 05:33 AM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: If you want to view me as being on higher moral ground, that's your choice - but I didn't say anything like that.  I was just speaking to one of my own perceived forms of service.  Nor did I say anything whatsoever about censorship or being a "guardian of the conspiracies" or nearly everything else you wrote!  Come on, man.  Are you doing this on purpose?  I'm having a hard time understanding why you seem incapable of replying to me without first rewriting my posts to say things I didn't.  (Then accusing me of being aggressive based on it.)

I never said anything to the effect that someone shouldn't share their views.  Only that it would be wise to consider the overall impact their words might have.  

As for the necessity of contributing a bias, that's kind of an odd statement to make.  Every post in every thread ever is ultimately contributing a bias.  Everyone has the right as free entities to do so, for whatever reasons they choose.  One could just as easily question why you believe contributing your own biases is necessary.  But I won't, because -again- that's simply what discussion IS: A comparison of biases, none more necessary or not than any other.
   
But either way, if you are honestly unable to respond to me without turning everything I write into a strawman, I'm just not going to bother.  You're giving me absolutely no reason to try having an actual discussion with you.  It's becoming outright exhausting trying to disentangle my real words from what you imagine them to be.

Quote:Even if every word in these documents is true -which I highly doubt- disseminating it would amount to little more than acting as an Illuminati PR agent. 

(09-10-2016, 06:21 AM)Ashim Wrote: You began with this:

Quote:Even if every word in these documents is true -which I highly doubt- disseminating it would amount to little more than acting as an Illuminati PR agent. 

You are essentially demonizing anyone who cares to post the documents, myself included. I did not post this info in a random fashion, it was most certainly within the framework of the topic at hand and even came with a disclaimer for the squeamish. You glanced at it and decided it was your job to ensure that others were discouraged from reading it, branding it a 'conspiracy theory' and suggesting that I was either knowingly or unwittedly furthering the agenda of a certain "Illuminati". This is essentially what I object to. A simple "I don't like/believe it." would have sufficed. Thus I implied that you were being silly, not that you were silly.
See, with all that psyops training you learn to use weasel words correctly. :-/

(09-10-2016, 03:28 AM)Ashim Wrote: Let's look at what, in my opinion, played out in this thread.
The discussion was about Orion, destruction of Humanity and control, etc. Glow had pondered on the "value" of the negative polarity and the possibility that they were offering a great service. I posted a link to the Hidden_Hand discussion as I thought that this contained an interesting take on this very subject. The info is very much related to the Law of One and contains many similarities.
Someone then asked about the "tinkering" that the negative must do to gain polarity, so I posted a link to information about Svali, a case also discussed with Hidden_Hand. I specifically suggested that this testimony may be either true or not and that I regarded the information worthy of discussion despite the uncertainty of its origins.
Next someone gets upset because I'm "helping to disseminate conspiracy theories".
This, I told the poster, was being silly. Then said poster says I'm using insults, being disrespectful etc, goes in the huff and heads for bed.
Like so many 'spiritual types' things are fine, lovey dovey and space bunny until someone disagrees with them. I'm not sure about  APeacefulWarrior, sure seemed fairly aggresive to me.

(09-09-2016, 02:06 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 01:32 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: Hidden hand to me seems like an ordinary person who has done there Ra homework. I personally do not like the feeling get from hidden hand. I read some of her rhetoric on her being from s m c lucifer, and how Yahweh asked for help in his creation. When she spoke on Yahweh it was with obvious distain. It was pretty clear to me one of her main sources of information was the Ra Material. I don't like how she portays herself being of the bloodlines, and openly says she's a negative adept. Then a paragraph down will then flip to sto variations of material. So basically in my opinion of your interested in hidden hand, just skip to the source and read Ra. Everything else is her subjective view of what is. f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

How about real critical thinking as aposed to whataboutism?
Discuss.

Quote: The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

(09-20-2016, 11:56 PM)Infinite Wrote: Well, in my humble opinion H_H said the truth. I've very reasons to believe.

First, the person that showed me the dialogue is someone that we can call "illuminated". He remember of all your incarnations. I asked to him if this planet was a prision and he answered me with the link of H_H.

Second, in all my searchs about Lucifer I found the same context: He is the Light of the Morning Star, in opposition the Prime Light of the unity. Like H_H said, the fall of the man was when the duality and freewill were implemented. Drunvalo Melchizedek* explains how Lucifer tried create a separated reality of the Infinite Creator. The "experential system" duality (to which we are submitted now)  is work of Lucifer.

Finally, is possible to feel sincerity in the words of H_H.

One thing that H_H not said: the existence of beings like the greys and reptilians is consequence of the Lucifer's Rebellion. The Orion situation is consequence of this.

*In your books "The Ancient Secret of The Flower of Life Vol. I and II" he talks about the Law of One and he have informations similar to Ra. Including, Drunvalo speaks that Ra was one of the builders of the Great Pyramid of Giza!

(09-21-2016, 04:57 PM)Glow Wrote: I'm not really in this debate but I think you must admit things are about perspectives. There are no complete distortion free understandings here.

However stuff like earth being a prison

(09-21-2016, 04:57 PM)Glow Wrote: and Orion being a consequence of lucifer a rebellion.... Seems less like "light" and more like the human mind grasping at filling in the blanks and creating a storey.

(09-21-2016, 04:57 PM)Glow Wrote: Much like the Ra stuff sometimes there is a lot of unnessisary debris added to the truth.

All Ra really needed to get across is we are all one but humans wanted the rest.
Same as HH saying the dark serves the light, well that's just a restating of we are all one. All truly serving the one. The rest of the HH stuff could similarly be taken as a version of distortion and more just storeys the human want.

We are all one. Serving in different ways that's why there is no wrong path only a path that is more direct. No real need to get hung up on the storey. The point we are one. That's it.

From that it should change your behaviour enough the dogma is nice/entertaining/inspiring but largely irrelevant.
Anyways my two cents. Perhaps worth less than two cents.

Quote:Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad.
It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.
Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character
when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

(09-21-2016, 05:21 PM)Infinite Wrote:

(09-21-2016, 04:57 PM)Glow Wrote: I'm not really in this debate but I think you must admit things are about perspectives. There are no complete distortion free understandings here.

However stuff like earth being a prison

I'm sorry, the problem was my English. My friend said that Earth is NOT a prision. And so he showed me the H_H material.

(09-21-2016, 04:57 PM)Glow Wrote: and Orion being a consequence of lucifer a rebellion.... Seems less like "light" and more like the human mind grasping at filling in the blanks and creating a storey.

This information is of the Drunvalo's work. It's not a direct consequence but a indirect consequence.

(09-21-2016, 04:57 PM)Glow Wrote: Much like the Ra stuff sometimes there is a lot of unnessisary debris added to the truth.

All Ra really needed to get across is we are all one but humans wanted the rest.
Same as HH saying the dark serves the light, well that's just a restating of we are all one. All truly serving the one. The rest of the HH stuff could similarly be taken as a version of distortion and more just storeys the human want.

We are all one. Serving in different ways that's why there is no wrong path only a path that is more direct. No real need to get hung up on the storey. The point we are one. That's it.

From that it should change your behaviour enough the dogma is nice/entertaining/inspiring but largely irrelevant.
Anyways my two cents. Perhaps worth less than two cents.

I agree. Drunvalo justly said that the way of "not live in unity" is consequence of the Lucifer's Experiment. According with the traditional esoteric philosophies like Teosophy, Gnosis, etc. this can be real.

And another thing. Ra about Lucifer:

Quote:Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad.
It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.
Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character
when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

Basically the same concept of the H_H message. Ra confirmed that Lucifer is a Logos and that free-will is a catalyst of evolution. Now, if H_H simply copied concepts of The Material Ra or if he was a really Luciferian it's another question. Peace, love and light.

(09-20-2016, 09:16 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 02:06 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 01:32 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: Hidden hand to me seems like an ordinary person who has done there Ra homework. I personally do not like the feeling get from hidden hand. I read some of her rhetoric on her being from s m c lucifer, and how Yahweh asked for help in his creation. When she spoke on Yahweh it was with obvious distain. It was pretty clear to me one of her main sources of information was the Ra Material. I don't like how she portays herself being of the bloodlines, and openly says she's a negative adept. Then a paragraph down will then flip to sto variations of material. So basically in my opinion of your interested in hidden hand, just skip to the source and read Ra. Everything else is her subjective view of what is. f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

How about real critical thinking as aposed to whataboutism?
Discuss.

Quote: The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

I was giving a small over-view of what my personal opinion of hidden hand. Nothing more. With the f*** channeling part it seems I went a little far, and possibly offended some entities. I am sorry, this was not the aim of my intent. I associated her messages with the term rhetoric, in how she would present herself one way, and a paragraph down she would flip coins, this does not resonate with me. Some may take this as just a token. However for me it was a much larger red flag. I never once said she was wrong about lucifer, or her theory of lucifer. However when one further analyzes what is said, who truly are orions? are orions just lucifer playing this game? So in short her negative adept speeches and stories of bloodlines, dressed in sto decor, isnt my thing. Nothing more.

(09-22-2016, 10:22 AM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-20-2016, 09:16 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 02:06 PM)Ashim Wrote:

(09-09-2016, 01:32 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: Hidden hand to me seems like an ordinary person who has done there Ra homework. I personally do not like the feeling get from hidden hand. I read some of her rhetoric on her being from s m c lucifer, and how Yahweh asked for help in his creation. When she spoke on Yahweh it was with obvious distain. It was pretty clear to me one of her main sources of information was the Ra Material. I don't like how she portays herself being of the bloodlines, and openly says she's a negative adept. Then a paragraph down will then flip to sto variations of material. So basically in my opinion of your interested in hidden hand, just skip to the source and read Ra. Everything else is her subjective view of what is. f*** all the channelings, and just follow your own path.

How about real critical thinking as aposed to whataboutism?
Discuss.

Quote: The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

I was giving a small over-view of what my personal opinion of hidden hand. Nothing more. With the f*** channeling part it seems I went a little far, and possibly offended some entities. I am sorry, this was not the aim of my intent. I associated her messages with the term rhetoric, in how she would present herself one way, and a paragraph down she would flip coins, this does not resonate with me. Some may take this as just a token. However for me it was a much larger red flag. I never once said she was wrong about lucifer, or her theory of lucifer. However when one further analyzes what is said, who truly are orions? are orions just lucifer playing this game? So in short her negative adept speeches and stories of bloodlines, dressed in sto decor, isnt my thing. Nothing more.

No offence taken, in fact I like it when folks display passion. If it's not your thing then , of course, fine. 
Just one question: what makes you think that H_H is female? I don't think that was mentioned in the postings.

(09-18-2016, 02:08 AM)Chandlersdad Wrote: As the original creator of this thread, I am amazed at the direction it has taken in assuming a life of its own. I wonder if the LOGOS ever feels this way?

(09-23-2016, 05:18 PM)Minyatur Wrote: The way I see it differs a bit, love always was full and perfect but we are relative view points of this infinite energy and we complexify the One's understanding of Love through each of our gazes. We give strange shapes to love and create strange scenarios to experience love through, to forever always distill the whole of it as Love, always because Love is all we witness.

We are facets of intelligence contained within Intelligent Infinity and while we seem to experience this is never really so, each moment that is always is, yesterday did not vanish and the experience you had yesterday is still now, is still true and is still frozen into the eternal moment you had an impression from moving away from. Intelligent Infinity never is not full and always is in parralel to any point of experience of Infinity.  Free will being the first illusion of experience, there is no free will as there is just the infinity we are and always were and always will be.

(09-23-2016, 05:52 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: I will agree in full contentment in everything you say in this post. However the relationship betwixt lovers, that fire, that want, that passion. Is more then just parallel facets in time. Frozen in eternal awareness/memory.  I believe in a creator/unity/love symbiotic relationship. I believe we are direct potentiators for the creator, in a sense.