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RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Minyatur - 07-29-2015
About catalysts, I do picture this earth as an healing environment. There are a lot hurt souls and other other souls trying to pervert it but ultimately the earth's vibration is of a healing nature.
Grounding and connecting with the Earth could be what you need, personally I have strong resistance in doing this which I am working on and am using other more "negative" ways of grounding myself instead. Should eventually switch to more positive ways.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Jade - 07-29-2015
Cainite: There is a choice to be made, positive, negative, or you can choose neutrality. Either way, a large shift polarity is unlikely to happen unless it's a conscious decision.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Cainite - 07-29-2015
Elros, are you saying that black magick or the manipulation of forces works better for you than harmonizing with the flow or white magic?
I have noticed the same thing.. you're like me. my and your desire to be positive might be just another selfish desire..
Jade, my fear is not being able to become harvested. I can't imagine remaining in 3d any longer. I have committed suicide before. many years ago when I wasn't worried about harvastablity. I have a strong potential to become like how Carla describes don's last days too..
so this third density world is not the best place for me and remaining here for another cycle is unimaginable
so what I'm planning with the neutrality is the idea of reaching intelligent infinity in a permanent manner so I can be harvested by choice
what do you guys think?
edit : another thing I should mention is that negative sources told me I was at the end of 4D positive before wandering here but I never trusted them to tell me the truth about such things.. I felt they wanted me to feel pity for the lost goodness that I've had! to decrease my nobility or sth
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Minyatur - 07-29-2015
(07-29-2015, 01:35 PM)Cainite Wrote: Elros, are you saying that black magick or the manipulation of forces works better for you than harmonizing with the flow or white magic?
I have noticed the same thing.. you're like me. my and your desire to be positive might be just another selfish desire..
Jade, my fear is not being able to become harvested. I can't imagine remaining in 3d any longer. I have committed suicide before. many years ago when I wasn't worried about harvastablity. I have a strong potential to become like how Carla describes don's last days too..
so this third density world is not the best place for me and remaining here for another cycle is unimaginable
so what I'm planning with the neutrality is the idea of reaching intelligent infinity in a permanent manner so I can be harvested by choice
what do you guys think?
Never worked with black magic as I always thought it was dull in itself (I've always been lacking any kind of passion), I'm starting to have an interest in white magic as a mean of working on myself. My means of grounding were more matrix ways to stay on low vibration.
Well we can't relate a 100% to each others, we may have come here for similar reasons yet have different backgrounds to work with.
About the path of neutrality it is your own choice. I did have a strong desire to remain neutral which slowly started to change with time.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Cainite - 07-29-2015
sounds like you're left brained.
I have strong right brained kind of passion and I enjoy battle. I am polygamous but don't have sex.
these may be our main differences.
I see myself in many aspects of the universe.. I see others in others alot too.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - tamaryn - 07-29-2015
@ Lighthead
Your high meditative states are simply elevating neutral or sick crystals in the m/b/s into positive thought crystals. You are obviously seeking 7D+ (emptiness awareness) in your meditation.
I would not say anyone has to switch polarity, why would anyone want to generate the opposite thought crystals unless that was their original distortion?
Ra's concept of polarity is so esoteric and high that everyone believes they have to volunteer at a soup kitchen or have a job to polarize positively. All is needed is conscious work in consciousness that is either with negative or positive crystal creation.
Think of it as a neutron, It needed to be charged by protons (understanding, positive force) which has electrons to balance (knowledge, negative, magnetic) and united to the all by quarks (neutral, love, unity). All that is needed is balance with the forces.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Cainite - 07-29-2015
everyone can't be incarnate and still have Ra's exact perspective on things.. just you.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Minyatur - 07-29-2015
(07-29-2015, 02:19 PM)Cainite Wrote: sounds like you're left brained.
I have strong right brained kind of passion and I enjoy battle. I am polygamous but don't have sex.
these may be our main differences.
I see myself in many aspects of the universe.. I see others in others alot too.
Extremely left brained, been working on that too and it recently started to get better.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Cainite - 07-29-2015
Yeah I know someone who's extremely left brained and detached with both positive and negative distortions but no passion whatsoever.. so he remains neutral.. but still in his dreams he's flying above mankind
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Lighthead - 07-29-2015
@Cainite:
You mentioned something about vampires. What was your experience with that?
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Cainite - 07-29-2015
vampirism is a condition of the spirit.. one who either consciously or unconsciously has the power to drain chi from external sources.. what I call feeding on humans
plus my best friend. also awakened and conscious in dreams has seen my vampire form in her dream
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Minyatur - 07-29-2015
(07-29-2015, 03:39 PM)Cainite Wrote: vampirism is a condition of the spirit.. one who either consciously or unconsciously has the power to drain chi from external sources.. what I call feeding on humans
plus my best friend. also awakened and conscious in dreams has seen my vampire form in her dream
And you're doing it consciously or unconsciously? Not that I see an actual difference between both, unconscious is a diffrent kind of conscious.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Cainite - 07-29-2015
I'm not doing it. so if any leeching is done it's not through conscious effort.
I told you about my being not my doing. my being is the result of an experiment.
btw I'm going to try my best now to not infringe upon anyone's freewill on this forum and withhold certain information that could harm innocents. or maybe I should leave
anyway.. sorry about my lack of discretion earlier
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Minyatur - 07-29-2015
(07-29-2015, 05:35 PM)Cainite Wrote: I'm not doing it. so if any leeching is done it's not through conscious effort.
I told you about my being not my doing. my being is the result of an experiment.
btw I'm going to try my best now to not infringe upon anyone's freewill on this forum and withhold certain information that could harm innocents. or maybe I should leave
anyway.. sorry about my lack of discretion earlier
Well I do not think you've said anything that would infringe upon anyone's freewill.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Cainite - 07-29-2015
good then. I returned to delete my posts but were unable to find the delete button!
if moderators think my posts are harmful plz delete them
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Lighthead - 07-29-2015
(07-29-2015, 05:55 PM)Cainite Wrote: good then. I returned to delete my posts but were unable to find the delete button!
if moderators think my posts are harmful plz delete them
I don't see anything at all wrong with your posts. I'm assuming that you meant that you were withholding certain information.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - APeacefulWarrior - 07-30-2015
(07-29-2015, 02:27 PM)tamaryn Wrote: Ra's concept of polarity is so esoteric and high that everyone believes they have to volunteer at a soup kitchen or have a job to polarize positively. All is needed is conscious work in consciousness that is either with negative or positive crystal creation.
Think of it as a neutron, It needed to be charged by protons (understanding, positive force) which has electrons to balance (knowledge, negative, magnetic) and united to the all by quarks (neutral, love, unity). All that is needed is balance with the forces.
I think, also, the reason Ra used "polarity" as his metaphor is that it goes along with the general idea of the universe being based in energy transfer. It's not the "fault" of a piece of polarized material that it twists light in a certain direction. It just happens, because that is the nature of the polarized material.
As I've experienced things, when a person is strongly polarized, they naturally "bend" the energies in one direction or another. At one extreme, you get the grouches who are simply unable to ever take pleasure in anything but the misfortune of others, and seem to possess an amazing ability to find the negative in any situation. Conversely, there are the Polyannas who could be living in Auschwitz and still find a way to tell themselves "Eh, it's not so bad."
That's why "going to work at a soup kitchen" or similar solutions really don't do much, unless the person involved strongly wants to use them as catalyst to shift their polarity in one direction or the other. A strongly negatively-polarized person working at a soup kitchen would just use it to confirm their existing biases against the poor, or that the world is totally crapsack, or whatever. They might even use that as a form of control, such as religious organizations that use food distribution to strongarm people into joining their flock.
There's nothing in the act of handing over a bowl of soup, in and of itself, that's directly polarizing either way. It's the intent of the people involved, and what they take away from the encounter, that forms the substance of the catalyst. At least from what I've seen.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - APeacefulWarrior - 07-30-2015
On the subject of vampirism... I wouldn't necessarily beat yourself up over it, Cainite. There's a certain amount of energetic give-and-take that's ALWAYS going on in pretty much any human interaction. (Or any Earthly interaction at all, for that matter.) Every entity on this planet "feeds" off other entities, in one way or another. It's absolutely unavoidable, and just part of the karmic burden of living here.
After all, even the most devout Jain can do nothing to prevent the nonstop microscopic warfare happening within their own bodies. Nor can the human body survive solely off byproducts like milk and honey, without directly consuming SOME form of life. It's literally impossible to live without also being a cause of death, at least on this dimensional plane.
If someone is aware this is going on, they're already ahead of most people, philosophically speaking. It means their eyes are open to the reality, and they can start consciously\deliberately choosing to change their actions to better fit their spiritual attitude. They can start self-examining, and looking at the energetic exchanges in their life, and trying to shift them to create a more positive (or negative) result.
So please, don't try to delete your posts. (And I think that's another impossibility anyway.
) Use them to reflect on your actions and consider how you might create better outcomes in the future. That's how growth and learning happen!
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Cainite - 07-30-2015
warrior, damn that green is beautiful. your humanity I crave and fear.. the positive me seeks humanity and green ray through martyrdom and self sacrifice/denial and sometimes other ways. my strong desire to become human has kept the beast in me dormant.. and also another desire to protect that which is pure and accept that which is true
light head, yes.. I didn't tell you about the positive me much. I don't have humans backing me up but animals are still on my side. I have served animals for some years and now we have a sort of metaphysical bond. my spirit is not a vampire. its condition is not static. it becomes like that by my own conscious effort now.
I wanted to appear more negative to get some blue responds
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Jade - 07-30-2015
(07-29-2015, 01:35 PM)Cainite Wrote: Elros, are you saying that black magick or the manipulation of forces works better for you than harmonizing with the flow or white magic?
I have noticed the same thing.. you're like me. my and your desire to be positive might be just another selfish desire..
Jade, my fear is not being able to become harvested. I can't imagine remaining in 3d any longer. I have committed suicide before. many years ago when I wasn't worried about harvastablity. I have a strong potential to become like how Carla describes don's last days too..
so this third density world is not the best place for me and remaining here for another cycle is unimaginable
so what I'm planning with the neutrality is the idea of reaching intelligent infinity in a permanent manner so I can be harvested by choice
what do you guys think?
edit : another thing I should mention is that negative sources told me I was at the end of 4D positive before wandering here but I never trusted them to tell me the truth about such things.. I felt they wanted me to feel pity for the lost goodness that I've had! to decrease my nobility or sth
Here's what I think: It seems you probably have a red ray blockage that you haven't fully addressed since your suicide (do you mean you attempted suicide or a previous life ended in suicide?). The red ray needs a *lot* of special work and attention if one forcibly attempts to remove oneself from incarnation in distress. It's a big deal. Either way, if your motivation to reach intelligent infinity is to be harvested to get off of this planet, you have a long journey ahead of you. I've mentioned this before recently to others, but if you aren't getting enjoyment out of life, then you are not on your we haven't found our "purpose", which is one of our reasons for incarnating. That's not to say we aren't on the right path at the right time if we are experiencing depression - it is another step in the staircase. But realizing that you have a specific goal while here (other than "beating the game" and harvesting yourself) and wanting to contribute [i]that goal[i] is an important step as we awaken. So if we live our entire life's miserable it's very unlikely that we've "succeeded" in what we came to do, and then will ascend from there. Our larger selves do not see 3D as strictly as we do, and can see the great benefits of our incarnations in the grand scheme of things. We chose to incarnate here and will likely choose to incarnate here again, even if we swear up and down that we'll never come back. We always come back... we are the wanderers.
Also, there are two ways to reach intelligent infinity with regularity while incarnated: Through the heart chakra, or bypassing the heart chakra. Neutrality is the end goal, but you can just sit in the middle your whole life and accomplish much energetically - polarity provides the difference in electrical charge that causes things to happen and energy to move. To raise your energy level to indigo ray, you have to do *something*.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - APeacefulWarrior - 07-30-2015
(07-30-2015, 05:23 AM)Cainite Wrote: warrior, damn that green is beautiful. your humanity I crave and fear.. the positive me seeks humanity and green ray through martyrdom and self sacrifice/denial and sometimes other ways. my strong desire to become human has kept the beast in me dormant.. and also another desire to protect that which is pure and accept that which is true
Perhaps then you should accept that -at least at the moment- your nature is gray, rather than white or black? After all, the ultimate goal of spiritual progression through the lower densities is that of unity and the rejection of polarity entirely. If you can already see both within yourself and accept both as you, then it seems to me you'd be taking steps towards that ultimate goal.
(And I say this as someone who also has something of a dark side; I just try to focus it towards positive ends and\or give it relatively harmless outlets like video games.)
Besides, there's no reason to necessarily think of the green energies as requiring self-sacrifice and martyrdom. When taken too far, such things usually end up breeding resentment, at least from what I've seen. What sacrifice does occur is really more of a casting-off of things one no longer wants. If the desire is gone, then there is no sense of loss. But that lack-of-desire is very hard to force, and simple denial often just makes it stronger.
Self-sacrifice for its own sake can easily wrap around to become a new form of selfishness. You know, like someone forced onto a diet, who then spends all their time focusing on how much they want a Big Mac.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Cyclops - 03-03-2016
(07-23-2015, 02:53 AM)Lighthead Wrote: @Cyclops:
But as Austin mentioned, that idea is inferred. Those quotes may, at most, imply that that is the case. I searched polarization and wanderer on the lawofone.info site, and that got me the closest hits, but nothing really that close.
I have tripped on something while reading the library for other questions that may be the clearest answer to this thread perhaps.
http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0731.pdf
Quote:Questioner:
Do wanderers ever consider the risks they are taking in incarnating? For example, what’s the impact on their social memory complexes and themselves?
We are those of Q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. Indeed, the commitment to become a wanderer is not taken lightly. It is thought out carefully and considered for a considerable amount of your time, indeed, centuries of your time, while the commitment to the work is perfected, refined and honed to a sharp edge. It is an act of great courage to be a wanderer. What wanderers usually do not realize is that that which is so obvious and easy from the other side of the veil is impossible to read and difficult to bear within the thick veiling of the third density of Earth, with its free will and its extremely thick veil. The danger always is that the wanderer will not wake up, or, if it is partially awake, that it will awaken only to complain that it is not comfortable, that it wants to go home, that it must leave this place that is so polluted and dirty.
This is the part that caught my eye.
Quote:As to what occurs if wanderers do not wake up. They, like all of the human tribe, walk the steps of light. If they have learned the lessons of love in this incarnation, they are free to move on. And if so, they may choose to go back to their native density. If they have instead remained asleep within this incarnation, then they shall have a refresher course in third- density living, moving with others who have not graduated to fourth density to another planet where they shall once again become students in third density’s refinery of souls. In either case, all is well. You have all the time in the universe to move through all natural energies and rhythms back to the Creator, who is waiting for you with great delight. And you do not wish to return too soon. For the Creator wishes to know of the fullness of your experiences, your feelings, and your emotions. That is the harvest that you bring to the Creator. Whatever it is, he will love it and you, now and forever.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - APeacefulWarrior - 03-03-2016
Yeah, I think some people get a bit too fixated on the "will I be part of the Harvest?" question. I tend to believe it's because of how many distorted ideas are floating around about heavens and hells and that some arbitrary idea of moral "worthiness" is what makes the difference in destination.
Not making the Harvest isn't a judgement on one's character. It's more like being told you can't learn calculus until you've learned algebra first, because calculus requires algebra to make sense. A kid might be absolutely brilliant and will one day be great at calculus, but until he's learned algebra, it would be completely pointless trying to teach calculus on its own. And in the same way, an entity simply can't graduate to the next density until they've learned the pre-requisite lessons of their current density.
That Harvest-focused attitude also concerns me a bit because some people who seem worried about the Harvest also don't seem to enjoy life very much. The ones Quo talks about who are only half-awake, and just want to go home. Ra and quite a few other respectable sources have emphasized, repeatedly, that part of learning the lessons of Love is learning to love the Earth and life on it. If someone is totally focused on the Harvest and "escaping" third-density, they could potentially end up preventing themselves from learning the lessons needed to make that graduation.
I particularly liked how Jeshua put it in one of his talks:
Quote:You are not here to make the world a better place. You are here to awaken yourself. And yes, when you do so the world will become a better place, because your light will shine upon it and bring joy and enlightenment to others as well. ... The world is what it is and the highest thing you can do for it is simply to love it for what it is. Love and see the beauty of every single being that is traveling through this plane of reality. Please realize that you are meant to enjoy life on earth!
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-08-2016
(03-03-2016, 03:13 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: That Harvest-focused attitude also concerns me a bit because some people who seem worried about the Harvest also don't seem to enjoy life very much. The ones Quo talks about who are only half-awake, and just want to go home. Ra and quite a few other respectable sources have emphasized, repeatedly, that part of learning the lessons of Love is learning to love the Earth and life on it. If someone is totally focused on the Harvest and "escaping" third-density, they could potentially end up preventing themselves from learning the lessons needed to make that graduation.
I never understood this. The Earth is not a paradise. The entropy is large. There is no way to accept the catalyst as something beautiful. The catalyst provides a learning process for the few who learn. For the majority, it's a tool to create chaos.
The world becomes never a better place because it's feeding catalyst. The only thing I've learned is that this isn't what I want. You can't love disharmony. If you can't save the planet, save yourself.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - APeacefulWarrior - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 09:23 AM)darklight Wrote: I never understood this. The Earth is not a paradise. The entropy is large. There is no way to accept the catalyst as something beautiful. The catalyst provides a learning process for the few who learn. For the majority, it's a tool to create chaos.
EVERYONE learns from the "chaos." Maybe only some realize that learning within a single incarnation, but every Earthbound life adds to the learning experiences of every entity experiencing it. And many more, undoubtedly, discover their learning only after the veil has been stripped away and they can see their lives within full context again.
This is why Ra emphasizes over and over how transient any Earth-focused questions are. Earth is a playground, a theater, a video game. Our veiled existence is here specifically so that we can go nuts and try out totally crazy concepts and generally be "chaotic." If we had wanted simple, easy existences we could have stayed in Higher-D timespace, or incarnated on a planet that's unveiled. Instead, we incarnated in the middle of the maelstrom.
We chose to embrace the chaos, or at least become part of it, while trying to help guide others through it and\or contributing energies to the planetary entity. That's hard to do without plenty of love.
Quote:The world becomes never a better place because it's feeding catalyst. The only thing I've learned is that this isn't what I want. You can't love disharmony. If you can't save the planet, save yourself.
Yet the Creator loves all things and all actions equally, because all things are OF the Creator equally. And to eventually become one with the Creator, we must learn to love the Creator as one.
Thus, one of the reasons Earth is here to challenge us to love that which some think unlovable.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Aion - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 09:23 AM)darklight Wrote:(03-03-2016, 03:13 PM)APeacefulWarrior Wrote: That Harvest-focused attitude also concerns me a bit because some people who seem worried about the Harvest also don't seem to enjoy life very much. The ones Quo talks about who are only half-awake, and just want to go home. Ra and quite a few other respectable sources have emphasized, repeatedly, that part of learning the lessons of Love is learning to love the Earth and life on it. If someone is totally focused on the Harvest and "escaping" third-density, they could potentially end up preventing themselves from learning the lessons needed to make that graduation.
I never understood this. The Earth is not a paradise. The entropy is large. There is no way to accept the catalyst as something beautiful. The catalyst provides a learning process for the few who learn. For the majority, it's a tool to create chaos.
The world becomes never a better place because it's feeding catalyst. The only thing I've learned is that this isn't what I want. You can't love disharmony. If you can't save the planet, save yourself.
I might be so bold as to say this attitude of helplessness is probably a large part of what prevents us from progressing positively. There are so few with any hope for the human race, it's no wonder we can't move forward when there are so many depressed who just don't want to be here. Shooting oneself in the foot, it seems.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 12:10 PM)Aion Wrote: I might be so bold as to say this attitude of helplessness is probably a large part of what prevents us from progressing positively. There are so few with any hope for the human race, it's no wonder we can't move forward when there are so many depressed who just don't want to be here. Shooting oneself in the foot, it seems.
In practical sense, the world is not positive. As Ra many times said, there will be a small harvest. Many will repeat third density.
A person can send much love as he/she can, but if people don't want to change, than it's their choice.
We can't change the world with an overdose of love.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Jade - 03-08-2016
What do you mean the world is not positive? It's vibrating at 4D+ vibrations. Soon only 4D+ entities will incarnate here. There's still some ugly unraveling from all the entities still trying to harvest negative (they are dying out), but the world is decidedly positive.
Quote:We can't change the world with an overdose of love.
Actually, I believe this is what we are supposed to be doing. "You are not here to fix it. You are here to love it." - Q'uo
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - darklight - 03-08-2016
(03-08-2016, 03:07 PM)Bring4th_Jade Wrote: What do you mean the world is not positive? It's vibrating at 4D+ vibrations. Soon only 4D+ entities will incarnate here. There's still some ugly unraveling from all the entities still trying to harvest negative (they are dying out), but the world is decidedly positive.
Actually, I believe this is what we are supposed to be doing. "You are not here to fix it. You are here to love it." - Q'uo
I meant to say in it's people, not the planet itself.
I can't love it, and I'm not happy with the result. There is very little love on this planet. We can't go any further, otherwise it will be an STS action.
Maybe the catalyst was too big, I don't know. People can't handle it.
RE: Wanderers have to polarize? - Minyatur - 03-08-2016
I think a funny aspect of it (because STO is related to non-control) is that if positive entities would've let negative entities polarize this planet as they want, then there would have been much less suffering in these planes.