(03-20-2015, 02:03 PM)Lighthead Wrote: What evidence do you have from the Ra material that this is the case? I'm not trying to argue; I'm genuinely curious.

Quote:19.14 Questioner: Then we have second-density beings who have primarily motivation towards service to self and possibly a little bit of service to others with respect to their immediate families going into third density and carrying this bias with them but being in a position now where this bias will slowly be modified to one which is aimed toward a social complex and then ultimately toward union with the all. Am I correct?


Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.

(03-20-2015, 02:24 PM)Monica Wrote:

(03-20-2015, 02:03 PM)Lighthead Wrote: What evidence do you have from the Ra material that this is the case? I'm not trying to argue; I'm genuinely curious.

Here:

Quote:19.14 Questioner: Then we have second-density beings who have primarily motivation towards service to self and possibly a little bit of service to others with respect to their immediate families going into third density and carrying this bias with them but being in a position now where this bias will slowly be modified to one which is aimed toward a social complex and then ultimately toward union with the all. Am I correct?


Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.

(03-20-2015, 01:50 PM)Minyatur Wrote: The 2D experience can shape the 3D experience which can shape the 4D experience in my opinion. Maybe the animal slaughter creates native 3D negative-oriented entities which in turn perpetuate the 3D mixed-polarity experience. Everything has a cause and effect.

(03-20-2015, 02:11 PM)Minyatur Wrote: 1D should have a great importance also. Not necessarily about the polarization in itself but the manner of being of entities.

(03-20-2015, 01:58 PM)Lighthead Wrote: What I meant to say is not that they're not aware enough, but that they have a different type of awareness than 3rd density beings. I can't remember where it is, but Ra at one point mentions that the main difference in 3rd density from other densities (including 2nd density) is the veiled experience. So you could almost assume that, to a certain extent, animals have a knowledge of the Source to fall back upon.

(03-20-2015, 01:58 PM)Lighthead Wrote: The only thing that makes me think I'm wrong is that Ra specifically stated that meat that is slaughtered is impure because of the basic trauma. It almost seems contradictory to me. I can't reconcile the two ideas.

I don't know. I guess I sort of plead ignorance.

(03-20-2015, 02:24 PM)Monica Wrote:

(03-20-2015, 02:03 PM)Lighthead Wrote: What evidence do you have from the Ra material that this is the case? I'm not trying to argue; I'm genuinely curious.

Here:

Quote:19.14 Questioner: Then we have second-density beings who have primarily motivation towards service to self and possibly a little bit of service to others with respect to their immediate families going into third density and carrying this bias with them but being in a position now where this bias will slowly be modified to one which is aimed toward a social complex and then ultimately toward union with the all. Am I correct?


Ra: I am Ra. You are correct.

(03-20-2015, 02:39 PM)Lighthead Wrote: How strange. That question is right before the one I just quoted.

(03-20-2015, 02:40 PM)Monica Wrote:

(03-20-2015, 02:39 PM)Lighthead Wrote: How strange. That question is right before the one I just quoted.

Yeah, amazing how we can reread the Material and see things we missed before. It's deep stuff, eh?

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(03-20-2015, 02:33 PM)Monica Wrote:

(03-20-2015, 02:11 PM)Minyatur Wrote: 1D should have a great importance also. Not necessarily about the polarization in itself but the manner of being of entities.

Not sure I follow you. Can you explain?

Quote:28.14 Questioner: Is there any reason for some portions being much more efficient in learning?

Ra: I am Ra. Is there any reason for some to learn more quickly than others? Look, if you wish, to the function of the will … the, shall we say, attraction to the upward spiraling line of light.

(03-20-2015, 07:41 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I've been studying this thread by going back to the OP and looking at certain posts. You have a really good thread here. It certainly opened my eyes. I'd say that it's definitely one of those life-changing threads.

Thanks!

(03-19-2015, 12:33 AM)Monica Wrote: Ra sees fit to answer the call of 2D entities. 2D entities begin their polarization. What direction is that cow or pig likely to polarize in?

What causes a child to become a sociopath? Lack of bonding, coupled with abuse. This is well established.



Billions upon billions of these young souls - these younger other-selves - are waking up to full self-awareness in a state of fear and pain...extreme abuse. Is this planet producing a huge harvest of sociopathic, STS entities? Newly harvested 3D entities...with a distinct bias towards STS?

By eating animals, not only is it inherently STS towards that particular entity, but it is also aiding in the polarizing of great numbers of young 3D STS entities.

What dark planet is being inhabited right now by all those tortured farm animals who are graduating to 3D through the intense catalyst they just experienced?

I offer these thoughts in the context of the Law of One. Again, this is NOT yet another debate about eating meat. I ask these questions in all sincerity: Have you given any thought as to the seriousness of this situation? Again, Ra sees fit to answer the call of 2D entities.

Are we working with Ra to answer their call? Or...are we creating a nightmare population of sociopaths?

(03-20-2015, 07:54 PM)Diana Wrote: I think the question: "Are we working with Ra to answer their call? Or...are we creating a nightmare population of sociopaths?," has to be qualified by whether or not the 3D entity, or person, is even aware of there being a choice.

(03-20-2015, 07:54 PM)Diana Wrote: However, whether a person is aware of the choice or not doesn't change the consequences of sustaining a system of cruelty. In countries where genocide takes place, it creates a population of people who are wounded not only physically, but mentally and emotionally, whether or not the people in a neighboring country are even aware of it.

(03-20-2015, 07:54 PM)Diana Wrote: Regarding answering the call, as Dolores Canon talks about in her book, "The Three Waves of Volunteers," some wanderers came here to help. Just having the vibration of love here may be enough. But how does that work if the wanderer is also knowingly contributing to suffering, and really cruel suffering at that, by doing something that isn't even necessary?

(03-20-2015, 07:54 PM)Diana Wrote: From a physical perspective, anyone who buys factory-farmed meat is affecting supply and demand and thereby contributing to enabling the system to continue, no matter how small the person's consumption of the product—that is simply a fact. 

(03-21-2015, 02:01 PM)Minyatur Wrote: Maybe present day humans do eat meat because they were once the meat eaten.

Bring4th Forums One > Olio  > 2D Entities Evolving?

(03-21-2015, 01:34 PM)Monica Wrote: Here is a former rancher sharing his observations and revelations from growing up on a farm. He has some very profound things to say about animals, compassion, and consciousness. Profound stuff!

http://suprememastertv.com/aw/?wr_id=425 (Watch both parts! Nothing graphic...just an interview.)

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(03-21-2015, 01:54 PM)Monica Wrote: What are the traits of a mind/body complex as compared to a mind/body/spirit complex? What are the traits of 2D as compared to 3D? or of early 2D as compared to late 2D?

We know from Ra that all the energy centers are in potentiation, in 2D. We also know that the criteria for graduation into 4D is 51% Service to Others, and we know that that has to do with the opening of the heart. An STS-oriented entity is one who has bypassed the heart.

What is service to others? What does it mean to open the heart?

Can we agree that love and compassion towards other-selves are attributes of an open heart? Love and compassion are green-ray traits.

The 2D entities have green ray open, in potentiation. And yet, they can form a bias towards STO or STS while still 2D. What does this mean?

It is commonly believed that animals operate primarily on instinct. Yet, this has now been effectively refuted, as is shown in the video I posted in post #1.

Check this out:

Bear Saves A Crow From Drowning

WHY did the bear decide to save the crow? What does this show about the awareness of this bear?

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(03-21-2015, 05:28 PM)Lighthead Wrote: What is your view on supposedly carnivorous animals? Why do they choose to eat meat, at times?

(03-21-2015, 05:24 PM)Lighthead Wrote: That was an amazingly beautiful video. My short attention span (at times) told me not to watch it, but, trust me, the time just flew!

(03-21-2015, 05:24 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I really do feel that one of the components of this Earth becoming 4D is how we treat other entities on this planet. I think that that's a major component, and something that we have control over.

(03-21-2015, 07:55 PM)Monica Wrote:

(03-21-2015, 05:28 PM)Lighthead Wrote: What is your view on supposedly carnivorous animals? Why do they choose to eat meat, at times?

They only hunt for survival, so it isn't polarizing for them. Their bodies are designed that way: notice the sharp fangs. They don't really have a choice; apparently the Logos designed them that way, to provide a way for the weak and injured animals to conveniently exit their bodies, rather than dying a slow, prolonged death. In the wild, carnivores hunt and kill the weakest of the herd. (In contrast to human hunters who go after the strongest buck with the largest rack, for their trophies.) So, like carrion birds and ants, they provide a service in the balance of Nature. Indigenous peoples, traditionally, also hunted the weakest of the herds...the ones left behind, old or injured, and for survival only.

We live on a very heavily veiled planet. I wonder if that has anything to do with why the Logos decided to design such a system. I also wonder how different Nature is on other planets.

Incidentally, Lighthead, you might find this interesting. It really challenged what I thought about my cats and dogs.

Obligate Carnivore

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(03-21-2015, 08:03 PM)Monica Wrote: And you're right: We do indeed have control over it. It's simple supply and demand.

(03-21-2015, 08:15 PM)Lighthead Wrote: I get the very strong impression that the Logos has designed a way out. :exclamation:

Quote:Novelist and slaughterhouse journalist Upton Sinclair once wrote, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” But while it may be difficult, it is not impossible. The following profiles are hope-filled proof that even those who stand to lose most by renouncing animal exploitation are frequently brave enough, and caring enough, to do so.

1. Jan Gerdes, former dairy farmer
Hof Butenland is a farmed animal sanctuary in North Germany founded by Jan Gerdes & Karin Mück. Jan was a dairy farmer for many years but after a change of heart that included the decision to go vegan, he converted the farm into a sanctuary and vowed to devote the rest of his life to caring for farmed animals and working to end their exploitation. Speaking about the animals he once used, ate, and routinely sent to slaughter, Jan says:

“Before, I denied that I liked them. There was no other way. I wanted to earn a living. And now they are more like comrades. You are happy, you talk, you talk to them. You talk to a cow as well as to a pig or to a cat or a dog; I don’t see any difference. They all have their qualities and they are happy when I talk to them— and they tell me something. It really is a great way of living together.”

Quote:2. Harold Brown, former beef and dairy farmer: "“I have often heard the word “humane” used in relation to meat, dairy, eggs, and other products… I have always found this curious, because my understanding is that humane means to act with kindness, tenderness, and mercy. I can tell you as a former animal farmer that while it may be true that you can treat a farm animal kindly and show tenderness toward them, mercy is a different matter.

…I hardly thought twice about the things I had to do on the farm: driving cattle, castrations, dehorning, and I did my fair share of butchering too.

Nowadays I ask myself from both the perspective of the old me and the new me, what does humane mean in the way it is being used? The old me says, “That is an odd word to associate with meat, dairy, and eggs, but hey, if it sells more products, why not?” The new me asks, “Back in the day, I could, and did, raise animals with kindness and tenderness, but how did I show them mercy?” Mercy — a unique human trait of refraining from doing harm.”

Quote:3. Cheri Ezell was working as a goat milk farmer when she met her husband, Jim Vandersluis, a dairy farmer.

She writes:

“One day I entered the barn while he was milking and noticed an obviously ill calf. When I questioned what would happen to her, he told me regardless of the calf’s illness, she would be sent to a livestock dealer where she would be sold for meat. I learned that dairy cows have to be bred every year in order to continue to produce milk, and how their calves are taken from them shortly after birth...sent to slaughter or the veal operations, which is a very short life, and not a happy life.

The verbalizations made by mother and baby as they bond are just one small aspect of their emotional lives that we humans tear apart. The mother calls for her baby for many days after they’re separated. How can such a thing ever be called “humane?”

Quote:In certain communities, it’s tradition to have baby goat meat during the Easter holiday. So our farm was overwhelmed every Spring by people looking for baby goats. We would weigh the 25-35 pound kids, and the customers paid. They were then hogtied and literally thrown into a trunk or the back of a pick-up truck like a piece of luggage. Jim soon was saying, “I will carry the goat,” and he would gently put the goat into their vehicle. One day we were standing by the gate of the goat barn, listening to one of our baby goats being driven away, crying in the trunk of the car. It was at this horrific moment that Jim and I looked at each other with tears in our eyes and began our journey to a no-kill life.

Jim and I have since left the dairy industry and converted our farm into a sanctuary for farmed animals, wildlife, and companion animals…for Jim and me, there is now a very clear distinction between humane and inhumane farming. Humane farming is cultivating a plant-based diet. Inhumane farming is breeding any sentient being for production and consumption.”

Quote:4. Howard Lyman is a fourth generation cattle farmer who converted a small organic dairy farm into a massive factory-style dairy and beef feedlot operation with 7,000 cattle. He also raised chickens, pigs and turkeys, farming animals for more than 20 years. In 1990, extremely overweight and facing health problems related to sky-high blood pressure and cholesterol levels, he decided to become a vegetarian. Experiencing a complete turnaround in his health, Lyman went vegan a year later and soon had a profound change of heart about the ethics of eating animals.

Quote:Harold: The people I knew involved in animal production were good people just trying to do the best they knew how for what they envisioned were the right reasons — feeding a hungry America. They believed they were providing an absolute necessity: first-class protein. It was ingrained in them from the time they were kids: ‘Eat your meat’.

Quote:Lyman recalls the difficult moment he discovered that he could no longer turn away from the question of killing animals we have no need to harm at all:

“Not, ‘Am I nice to my animals?’ or, ‘Do I feed them well?’ but, ‘My God, should we be eating them?’ … I was in the bathroom and I was looking in the mirror: it was so traumatic for me that I damn near tore the sink off the wall.

That was a door of my soul that I had never opened before. And once I’d opened it, I could never close it again because I knew what those animals looked like when they went onto the kill floor. I knew what was in their eyes, and I was the person putting them there. It was like everything that you believe to be righteous and holy was all of a sudden at risk. Could I actually allow my mind to sort through that?

And did I have the intestinal fortitude to know the difference and to make a change? Do you go to your wife when you have a multimillion dollar operation and say, ‘Wait a minute: I think what we are doing is wrong’? I realized that my livelihood was built on sand. Everything I’d believed in my entire life was at risk because there I was with a business built on killing animals.”

Lyman has written two books, Mad Cowboy: Plain Truth from the Cattle Rancher Who Won’t Eat Meat and No More Bull! The Mad Cowboy Targets America’s Worst Enemy: Our Diet. He also maintains an educational website, madcowboy.com. Howard Lyman’s life and work are also the subject of Mad Cowboy: The Documentary, and his story is featured in Peaceable Kingdom: The Journey Home.