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RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - darklight - 03-06-2015
(03-06-2015, 04:56 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I thought walking the steps of light was required for graduation. But I've had experience of doing that in a vision. It was the sun's warmth that got brighter.
In other words, the choices you make in your 3D life experiences.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - darklight - 03-06-2015
And there is no law or higher beings that decides for you. If you want leave 3th density and enter the 4th density, than you will enter the 4th density.
Most people care only for career, money, cars, etc, the sinkhole of indifference, which means that they are not ready to leave. There is nothing wrong about that, they are what they are in the present incarnation.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - AnthroHeart - 03-06-2015
(03-06-2015, 08:25 PM)darklight Wrote: If you want leave 3th density and enter the 4th density, than you will enter the 4th density.
I'd like to believe that. Maybe I'm just not ready, but I'd give up my career to go to 4th density if I knew I were there for real. I imagine it's a more natural state of being. Like woods and outdoors.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - darklight - 03-06-2015
(03-06-2015, 08:31 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:(03-06-2015, 08:25 PM)darklight Wrote: If you want leave 3th density and enter the 4th density, than you will enter the 4th density.
Maybe I'm just not ready
You are a seeker, why you doubt yourself?
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - AnthroHeart - 03-06-2015
I haven't seen it manifest yet. That's why I doubted.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - darklight - 03-06-2015
(03-06-2015, 08:54 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I haven't seen it manifest yet. That's why I doubted.
The veil. So we can make our own choices without interfering.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - AnthroHeart - 03-06-2015
I've been focusing on entering 4D, and I feel a pressure in my heart chakra. Something's happening.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - anagogy - 03-06-2015
(03-06-2015, 07:24 AM)andreazzi Wrote: So, you agree that the 100-700 years period of transition could be the period in which the fourth density population is adapted to it's new conditions? Thus we would have a harvest in time/space and space/time around 2011 and then a period of transition in which third density would be suspended while fourth density population learns the means of it's new reality?
As I said, that would be my guess, but I'm not so sure. Again, I cannot understand why you guys think harvest would be a time/space event, is there a quote from Ra or Q'uo that lays the foundation for this line of thinking?
Q'uo stated that:
"It is very difficult for entities to imagine how such a large population, all across your globe, could just shrink and disappear. And yet we say to you that entities moving into incarnation here will more and more be those which are dual-activated until finally, within say one of your centuries by most probability/possibility vortices, you will have no pure third-density entities living upon your planet."
But, guys, really, is that what we see in the world today? This just doesn't resonate with me. To me, this statement implies some kind of evolution in consciousness brought by the dual activated children been born lately, but I just can't see this happening, I just see things getting darker and darker, lower and lower in vibration (please, tell me I'm wrong), though I am amazed how my own perception of reality has been raising in the last years, I do not see this vibration getting higher to most of the people, including children and teens.
The 100-700 year mark is the length of harvest. That, as far as I understand it, is the amount of time, roughly, it will take for evolution to physically manifest the fully fourth density mind/body/spirit complex. Also, all who die during this time period, will walk the steps of light in time/space through the gateway of intelligent infinity.
The reason why I believe harvest is a time/space event is A) I feel like it "fits" a lot better with what Ra said and B) also primarily due to this quote:
"17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest."
Ra says that those who aren't incarnate during this time period will be included in the harvest. Note that they do not explicitly say that those who are in incarnation will be. The implication being that your spirit complex isn't harvested till the present incarnation ceases.
Also, I don't put as much stock in the Q'uo transcripts as I do the Ra material, but I believe Q'uo has also stated that the steps of light are walked after incarnation ends.
And yes, I disagree about things getting darker and darker. I think that more and more people are waking up to spirituality every day. But who is right? Hard to know what life is actually like beyond our personal biases, but that is my current perceptual filter. I think the process of transformation is going to sharply accelerate as more and more dual bodies are born, and psychic perception becomes a common everyday occurrence in the general population. See how much violence there is when you actually FEEL the pain you cause others, and vice versa. It is very difficult to cause disharmony in such an environment, and it will only increase as the transition continues to hold sway over the next 100--700 years. It will be a great "aha" moment for us collectively. This is the birth of 4th density empathy/compassion.
Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of PHYSICAL effects of the harvest, but time/space molds space/time, and space/time is always lagging behind the time/space transformation which almost always occurs first.
Anyway, that is my current view on the matter.
(03-06-2015, 04:49 PM)darklight Wrote: I remember Ra said that early 4th density beings do not know how to hide themselves from 3th density beings, because they are probably not yet aware of their graduation. Can someone find the link in the Law of One?
It could indeed possible that a minority is already graduated, but doesn't aware of that. Maybe, in some cases, time/space is not necessary...
"62.29 Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third density.
Thus in fourth density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo."
To be honest though, I think once you are fully 4th density, you know full well you are 4th density, and that you have graduated from 3rd density. And naturally, 4th density is invisible to 3rd density, but I think in the beginning certain things could cause you to lower your vibrations enough that you become semi visible to 3D inhabitants. Uncontrolled thought, uncontrolled emotion. After these are well established, the illusion is probably easily maintained.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - Shemaya - 03-06-2015
About a year ago I had a really cool experience. I think it was fourth density. It is hard to explain, but I felt like I was out of this world but also very present. It lasted a few days. It was like being immersed in an ocean of peace, bliss, love. Maybe it was just a really expansive heart activation, but that is probably what 4 D is like , I imagine.
It was awesome! My interpretation was that it was what the New World will feel like. It will be a really wonderful world, that's a Louie Armstrong song btw.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - darklight - 03-07-2015
Important to note is that harvest and graduation are two different things.
And the world today is not significant changing in the positive sense. I don't know what influence have those dual activated children, but the world is not getting more positive.
A lot of souls will trap in the wheel of karma, and a small amount of people will graduate. I believe the 100-700 years period is needed to slowly dismantle the reincarnation cycle, it has not much to do with the people who graduate.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - AnthroHeart - 03-07-2015
(03-07-2015, 12:25 AM)darklight Wrote: Important to note is that harvest and graduation are two different things.
And the world today is not significant changing in the positive sense. I don't know what influence have those dual activated children, but the world is not getting more positive.
A lot of souls will trap in the wheel of karma, and a small amount of people will graduate. I believe the 100-700 years period is needed to slowly dismantle the reincarnation cycle, it has not much to do with the people who graduate.
Do we graduate during this lifetime? And harvest after it?
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - 1109 - 03-07-2015
Here is my understanding of this interesting topic.
The 'cut off point' has happened, no 3D entities are born now. I don't remember the exact q'uote.
100 years from now all or most 3D entities Will have died due to old age.
When no 3D entities remain the 4d reality can manifest in full, although this probably Will still take some time.
The increasing 4d energies and having no 3D entities around Will greatly increase the abilities of 4d entities who Will become more and more as They are through evolution.
Harvest happens to 3D entities as they die. Therefore harvest Will be complete in about a century.
3D social structures and ideologies have inertia and Will remain for some time but Will collapse more and more because they are in essence incompatible with 4d.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - darklight - 03-07-2015
(03-07-2015, 04:32 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Do we graduate during this lifetime? And harvest after it?
1) Harvest is a time/space event (dis-incarnation) for all (the great harvest), including the ones who are not graduate according Ra.
2) Graduation (STO or STS) is a space/time event (incarnation) in the next level or density after the harvest.
3) Repeating is a space/time event (reincarnation) in 3th density after the harvest for the ones who are not graduated.
Repeating and graduation are two different aspects of the harvest.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - andreazzi - 03-09-2015
(03-06-2015, 09:36 PM)anagogy Wrote: "17.29 Questioner: Am I to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread?
Ra: I am Ra. This is an approximation. We have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. This is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. Those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest."
Ra says that those who aren't incarnate during this time period will be included in the harvest. Note that they do not explicitly say that those who are in incarnation will be. The implication being that your spirit complex isn't harvested till the present incarnation ceases.
Thanks for pointing that out. Ra doesn't say those who are in incarnation will be included in the harvest, he says that those who are not in incarnation will, so that's a foundation for believing in the harvest as a time/space event only. That makes sense.
So, basically what you're saying is that harvest has probably already occurred. Been a time/space event, it happens only to those not in incarnation, and will continue to happen as third density only activated bodies die, and the 100-700 years period of transition is that which will happen to space/time Earth while emerging into fourth density through this gradual process?
It surely makes a lot of sense.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - darklight - 03-09-2015
Quote:including the ones who are not graduate according Ra.
They also will die and include in the harvest.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - AnthroHeart - 03-09-2015
I hope I get plenty of time to heal before I have to walk the steps of light.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - anagogy - 03-11-2015
(03-09-2015, 10:15 AM)andreazzi Wrote: Thanks for pointing that out. Ra doesn't say those who are in incarnation will be included in the harvest, he says that those who are not in incarnation will, so that's a foundation for believing in the harvest as a time/space event only. That makes sense.
So, basically what you're saying is that harvest has probably already occurred. Been a time/space event, it happens only to those not in incarnation, and will continue to happen as third density only activated bodies die, and the 100-700 years period of transition is that which will happen to space/time Earth while emerging into fourth density through this gradual process?
It surely makes a lot of sense.
Yes, indeed.
The human bodies will keep doing what they do best -- making more human bodies via sexual reproduction -- and each generation of bodies will be a bit more fourth "density-ish". The human race will become increasingly sensitive or psychic/clairvoyant, and will exist in 2 worlds, the green ray Earth, and the yellow ray Earth. Eventually there will be a tipping point to the green ray Earth. If there were purely 3rd density humans frolicking about during this transition (there won't be) they would see the dual bodied beings gradually become more and more "ghost-ish" and transparent until they were no longer physically visible at all. Of course, the fourth density beings won't see each other that way, they will look solid as ever to each other, as their perception will easily perceive these more subtle forms of matter.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - Bluebell - 03-12-2015
i didn't even graduate high school.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - Shemaya - 03-12-2015
(03-12-2015, 04:07 AM)Bluebell Wrote: i didn't even graduate high school.
Well then get your GED or enrol in a program where you learn some skills. You need to develop your gifts and talents and that is hard to do without some mentoring and structure.
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - Bluebell - 03-12-2015
...r we talking metaphorically?
can u get a GED w/o math? i think i have a math related PTSD
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - Shemaya - 03-12-2015
(03-12-2015, 08:37 AM)Bluebell Wrote: ...r we talking metaphorically?
can u get a GED w/o math? i think i have a math related PTSD
I don't think it is hard to get a GED. Look it up online, I am not familiar with any specifics. It just requires a little diligence, effort, and determination on your part.
It's a really good thing to get that done and out of the way so the road ahead is clearer ( that's a metaphor
)
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - Bluebell - 03-12-2015
if i had such a lovely teacher i'd be all for it
RE: Harvest - Instantaneous vs. Long Term - AnthroHeart - 03-12-2015
My current job didn't require a college degree I don't believe. Just the experience I had, and knowing someone who worked there.