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RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - unity100 - 10-09-2011
(10-09-2011, 02:03 AM)zenmaster Wrote: You must be new here. Every other post is about 'signs of change' and digging for evidence of such, as if that evidence would somehow be crucial as an important validation. lol.
then again maybe you are failing to see things because you are forcing whatever you learn to be compliant and congruent with your perspective of your scholastic academic education heritage.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - zenmaster - 10-09-2011
(10-09-2011, 09:39 AM)unity100 Wrote:I am 100% certain that I fail to see things because of scholastic academic education heritage (and racial mind). I know this because there was a lot to unlearn after school when intuition suggested a deeper meaning was more compelling, for example. Education provides a significant part of one's worldview. Our reality emerges into our awareness from this worldview.(10-09-2011, 02:03 AM)zenmaster Wrote: You must be new here. Every other post is about 'signs of change' and digging for evidence of such, as if that evidence would somehow be crucial as an important validation. lol.then again maybe you are failing to see things because you are forcing whatever you learn to be compliant and congruent with your perspective of your scholastic academic education heritage.
Our expectations are formed from what we think is possible. Such limits are taught (explicitly or not). Some part of ourselves knows there is something more, and when we contact that part we are in a position to manifest it. That is the primary reason for the pace of "evolution", the opportunities we bother to provide ourselves, not those which we perceived were denied to ourselves from the "PTB". That reacting or opposing mode of consciousness comes from a place of lack, and is capable of only addressing lack (and associated bitterness). But, initially it seems that we must make some level noise in order to hear ourselves.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - unity100 - 10-09-2011
(10-09-2011, 11:09 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(10-09-2011, 09:39 AM)unity100 Wrote:I am 100% certain that I fail to see things because of scholastic academic education heritage (and racial mind). I know this because there was a lot to unlearn after school when intuition suggested a deeper meaning was more compelling, for example. Education provides a significant part of one's worldview. Our reality emerges into our awareness from this worldview.(10-09-2011, 02:03 AM)zenmaster Wrote: You must be new here. Every other post is about 'signs of change' and digging for evidence of such, as if that evidence would somehow be crucial as an important validation. lol.then again maybe you are failing to see things because you are forcing whatever you learn to be compliant and congruent with your perspective of your scholastic academic education heritage.
most unfortunately this assessment is correct.
despite it should have been totally to the opposite in fact. inventors vs academicians. one side there is a lot of intuition leading an inquiring mind, on the other side bureaucrats cataloging, shuffling and reshuffling what was previously learned and written.
being aware of that is a major step though. then should come refusal of the mindset that is associated with the undesired approach. a rebellion, if you will.
Quote:Our expectations are formed from what we think is possible. Such limits are taught (explicitly or not). Some part of ourselves knows there is something more, and when we contact that part we are in a position to manifest it. That is the primary reason for the pace of "evolution", the opportunities we bother to provide ourselves, not those which we perceived were denied to ourselves from the "PTB". That reacting or opposing mode of consciousness comes from a place of lack, and is capable of only addressing lack (and associated bitterness). But, initially it seems that we must make some level noise in order to hear ourselves.
instead all of these can be dumped, the mind can be set free as it has been at the start, and intuition after observation can be allowed to led the wandering mind into unknown territories to discovery.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - zenmaster - 10-09-2011
(10-09-2011, 11:16 AM)unity100 Wrote:(10-09-2011, 11:09 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(10-09-2011, 09:39 AM)unity100 Wrote:I am 100% certain that I fail to see things because of scholastic academic education heritage (and racial mind). I know this because there was a lot to unlearn after school when intuition suggested a deeper meaning was more compelling, for example. Education provides a significant part of one's worldview. Our reality emerges into our awareness from this worldview.(10-09-2011, 02:03 AM)zenmaster Wrote: You must be new here. Every other post is about 'signs of change' and digging for evidence of such, as if that evidence would somehow be crucial as an important validation. lol.then again maybe you are failing to see things because you are forcing whatever you learn to be compliant and congruent with your perspective of your scholastic academic education heritage.
most unfortunately this assessment is correct.
despite it should have been totally to the opposite in fact. inventors vs academicians. one side there is a lot of intuition leading an inquiring mind, on the other side bureaucrats cataloging, shuffling and reshuffling what was previously learned and written.
being aware of that is a major step though. then should come refusal of the mindset that is associated with the undesired approach. a rebellion, if you will.
Conversely, I also know that I would fail to see things if I missed the opportunities provided by that learning. We can only apprehend that which we are prepared to accept, both socially and individually.
(10-09-2011, 11:16 AM)unity100 Wrote:The mind can be "set free". But freedom and opportunity are different things. Opportunity must be provided in order for that freedom to find use. This is an ongoing experiment where we can and do provide such opportunity to ourselves and other-selves. The "blame game" becomes ridiculous once it is known that the patterns which we create in time/space are of our own making ("reality" unfolds from what has been made possible, not from what was thought to be denied) and that, as J. Krishnamurti said, the individual and society are the same thing.Quote:Our expectations are formed from what we think is possible. Such limits are taught (explicitly or not). Some part of ourselves knows there is something more, and when we contact that part we are in a position to manifest it. That is the primary reason for the pace of "evolution", the opportunities we bother to provide ourselves, not those which we perceived were denied to ourselves from the "PTB". That reacting or opposing mode of consciousness comes from a place of lack, and is capable of only addressing lack (and associated bitterness). But, initially it seems that we must make some level noise in order to hear ourselves.
instead all of these can be dumped, the mind can be set free as it has been at the start, and intuition after observation can be allowed to led the wandering mind into unknown territories to discovery.
In the process of understanding this relationship, we always find something to reject that symbolizes the "old way". The dissatisfaction must be externalized in order to find expression, because we have not yet consciously created the would-be "new way" (something perceived to be better). In effect, because we have not bothered to come up with a new way, we are asking the old way to explain what this new way might be. The baby tends to unconsciously test the parent with its tantrums, and in this way learn something.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - apeiron - 10-09-2011
Quote:instead all of these can beI agree. For all practical purposes, most of the so called academia accomplishments have provided as a result, an extra "layer" to be eliminated in trying to penetrate the veil. This is even more so of psychology who has failed in providing meaningful/correct explanations about the mind and body in general. Its alliance with the predominant elitist current system makes these studies at this point unfruitful.
dumped, the mind can be set free as it has been at the start, and
intuition after observation can be allowed to led the wandering mind
into unknown territories to discovery.
Psychiatry, part not only of the medical system but as psychology, a method of control has followed a more "official" path.
Then you have a situation in which,the purpose of academia and universities is to promote and justify the current system of control over the population and to maintain a societal class structure that allows this societal system to continue with the "blessings" of science.
At the end of the 3D cycle, all this just just becomes ephemeral thought and feelings.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - unity100 - 10-09-2011
(10-09-2011, 11:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The mind can be "set free". But freedom and opportunity are different things. Opportunity must be provided in order for that freedom to find use. This is an ongoing experiment where we can and do provide such opportunity to ourselves and other-selves. The "blame game" becomes ridiculous once it is known that the patterns which we create in time/space are of our own making ("reality" unfolds from what has been made possible, not from what was thought to be denied) and that, as J. Krishnamurti said, the individual and society are the same thing.
if everyone made their own reality, there would be no need for forgiveness or acceptance or control of others. you could just make up your own reality and live in it. in reality, there are needs for those things. so, it means we dont just make up our own reality.
and in that, there comes up blame, responsibility, guilt, mistakes, successes, failures. all of these will need to be balanced at points nearing infinity, but, that future situation does not change that they exist at this point.
Quote:In the process of understanding this relationship, we always find something to reject that symbolizes the "old way". The dissatisfaction must be externalized in order to find expression, because we have not yet consciously created the would-be "new way" (something perceived to be better). In effect, because we have not bothered to come up with a new way, we are asking the old way to explain what this new way might be. The baby tends to unconsciously test the parent with its tantrums, and in this way learn something.
in fact its not that complex.
societal mind has its biases, and the souls gathering together due to acceptance of any part of that societal mind's biases and methods make up aspects of that societal mind. in short, scholastic academicians who are investing in it, are souls which prefer to see the world that way, and want to see the world that way. and they will create a place in societal mind for themselves, and keep their activities going from there. anyone accepting that part of societal mind, sharing it, employing it, will join the group and be affected accordingly by that subset. anyone being in it, but not synchronizing with it, will create distortions and frictions in between himself/herself and that mind. anyone refusing/rejecting that subset, will push it and its effects from the self.
this is no different for anything else that goes in the mind of society. it is not something that is philosophical, more than it is an actual magical, spiritual phenomenon. hence the need for rejection or resistance to things undesired, and the necessity to seek the thoughts, ways and souls that are desired.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - loop - 10-09-2011
^^^ yup, by agreeing to other selves' reality, we are sharing it with these others. We form a collective.
The thing is that now, we appear to have much bigger freedom in forming different collectives with other like minded individuals.
I definitely see this manifesting a lot recently.
and in my time zone, this post is made at ... guess when:
Quote: Today, 11:11 PMCheers!
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - Conifer16 - 10-09-2011
(10-09-2011, 04:11 PM)knaumov Wrote: ^^^ yup, by agreeing to other selves' reality, we are sharing it with these others. We form a collective.
The thing is that now, we appear to have much bigger freedom in forming different collectives with other like minded individuals.
I definitely see this manifesting a lot recently.
and in my time zone, this post is made at ... guess when:Quote: Today, 11:11 PMCheers!
In mine it was made at 1:11
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - kia - 10-10-2011
Last day starts tomorrow, now really, fasten your seatbelts folks! If any of you do ascend good luck, have a safe journey back home
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - Namaste - 10-10-2011
(10-09-2011, 03:49 PM)unity100 Wrote:(10-09-2011, 11:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The mind can be "set free". But freedom and opportunity are different things. Opportunity must be provided in order for that freedom to find use. This is an ongoing experiment where we can and do provide such opportunity to ourselves and other-selves. The "blame game" becomes ridiculous once it is known that the patterns which we create in time/space are of our own making ("reality" unfolds from what has been made possible, not from what was thought to be denied) and that, as J. Krishnamurti said, the individual and society are the same thing.
if everyone made their own reality, there would be no need for forgiveness or acceptance or control of others. you could just make up your own reality and live in it. in reality, there are needs for those things. so, it means we dont just make up our own reality.
Not necessarily - lessons and catalyst would remain valid. The evolution of the soul would still be the reason for experience.
Whether the other selves in one's perceived reality were individuals (as such), or (philosophical) zombies, one's thoughts, words and deeds would still incur karma and catalyst.
Bashar offers the notion that we do indeed create our own reality, and our beliefs shape it. This includes the shaping of the people we encounter, and their actions towards us. In an infinite universe, we choose (either consciously or subconsciously) which 'version' of that person we experience. However, they are doing the same, and in their experience, they could be choosing an entirely different version of you.
Fascinating :¬)
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - 3DMonkey - 10-10-2011
(10-09-2011, 03:49 PM)unity100 Wrote: if everyone made their own reality, there would be no need for forgiveness or acceptance or control of others. you could just make up your own reality and live in it. in reality, there are needs for those things. so, it means we dont just make up our own reality.
Aren't these tools to create your own reality? Why would you create a reality without forgiveness?
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - unity100 - 10-10-2011
(10-10-2011, 03:57 PM)Namaste Wrote:(10-09-2011, 03:49 PM)unity100 Wrote:(10-09-2011, 11:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The mind can be "set free". But freedom and opportunity are different things. Opportunity must be provided in order for that freedom to find use. This is an ongoing experiment where we can and do provide such opportunity to ourselves and other-selves. The "blame game" becomes ridiculous once it is known that the patterns which we create in time/space are of our own making ("reality" unfolds from what has been made possible, not from what was thought to be denied) and that, as J. Krishnamurti said, the individual and society are the same thing.
if everyone made their own reality, there would be no need for forgiveness or acceptance or control of others. you could just make up your own reality and live in it. in reality, there are needs for those things. so, it means we dont just make up our own reality.
Not necessarily - lessons and catalyst would remain valid. The evolution of the soul would still be the reason for experience.
Whether the other selves in one's perceived reality were individuals (as such), or (philosophical) zombies, one's thoughts, words and deeds would still incur karma and catalyst.
necessarily.
if there is no act done, there is no consequence involved.
'perception' does not factor into this. regardless of how you perceive the other entities, and to what degree, forgiveness would only be necessary in an environment in which you do not create your reality.
if you create your reality, things would happen exactly like you desired, and there would be no need to forgive anyone for things would not unfold in any way than you really desire. that would make not only forgiveness totally unnecessary, but also would remove it as a necessity for development.
you would just create your reality as you wanted it.
Quote:Bashar offers the notion that we do indeed create our own reality, and our beliefs shape it. This includes the shaping of the people we encounter, and their actions towards us. In an infinite universe, we choose (either consciously or subconsciously) which 'version' of that person we experience. However, they are doing the same, and in their experience, they could be choosing an entirely different version of you.
bashar is wrong then.
if you shape the people you encounter and their actions to 100%, then it means there is no sentient entity with own self-will in your reality. and therefore you dont need to forgive anyone, for noone can do anything that you dont want.
and if you dont shape the people you encounter and their actions to 100%, then it means you are not creating your reality - people are collectively creating the reality, and that means not everything is happening in the way you desire it to happen. and then the necessity for forgiveness comes.
Quote:Fascinating :¬)
more like 'much desired, but incorrect'.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - Namaste - 10-10-2011
You do not always have to prove yourself right, and another wrong. Perhaps brother, you may treat my post as catalyst for balancing.
To clarify, the notion is that each entity does indeed have free will, and you choose which infinite variety of that said entity to interact with by your beliefs. Free will still remains. Do not assume that because Ra never spoke if infinite realities, they do not exist. We were limited to Don's lines of questioning.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - unity100 - 10-10-2011
(10-10-2011, 05:52 PM)Namaste Wrote: You do not always have to prove yourself right, and another wrong. Perhaps brother, you may treat my post as catalyst for balancing.
prove ? relevance ?
Quote:To clarify, the notion is that each entity does indeed have free will, and you choose which infinite variety of that said entity to interact with by your beliefs. Free will still remains. Do not assume that because Ra never spoke if infinite realities, they do not exist. We were limited to Don's lines of questioning.
infinite realities existing does not mean that everything happens the way you want it as an individual.
if free will exists, the will of other entities present in your reality, your universe, will conflict with your will at some point. and this is where forgiveness kicks in.
if everything in your reality happens as you yourself individually desire, then it means there is no other will in your reality than your own.
it doesnt matter if you approach it from a perspective like 'everything has free will, but there are infinite ways to interact so my desire perfectly matches the wills of the entities i am interacting with' -> that would still mean an existence in which there would be nothing conflicting with your free will, and forgiving others would be totally unnecessary - because everything happened, would happen because you wanted them exactly in the way you wanted them to happen.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - loop - 10-10-2011
^^^ but it usually does happen as "it should". does it?
meaning, it's not so difficult to forgive, actually
. All goes well, usually.btw, what I'm experiencing recently is that my reality is constantly meeting the realities of other people, who are totally different from mine currently. I believe this has a strong effect of challenging my point of view and desires. I find it to be quite enriching. Alternatives are bombarding me and I'm often very tempted to adopt many of them at the moments when I'm presented to them. Usually most appear as weak in a while, but I definitely appreciate the others' act of sharing a reality and I perceive it as a contribution for sure. Agreeing in the long run is something else.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - unity100 - 10-10-2011
(10-10-2011, 06:17 PM)knaumov Wrote: ^^^ but it usually does happen as "it should". does it?
no it doesnt - only in points nearing infinity, when everything balances and all the parallel existences combine, everything turn out to have happened 'as they should' - that is because all the different happenings which had not happened as they should, have been combined to create a complete whole which is balanced.
Quote:meaning, it's not so difficult to forgive, actually
this particular branch of discussion was not related to the ease or difficulty of forgiveness. it was about forgiveness being a totally unnecessary concept in a proposed reality in which the entities create their own realities.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - apeiron - 10-10-2011
It seems to me completion of parallel existences will occur much much sooner than at end of octave/beginning of next. For one thing, I have a hard time considering parallel existences beyond 4d. And even in 4d, since the veil is non-existent there will probably be awareness of the other parallel selves (if any).
Besides this. there is indeed a "law of attraction". Reflected not only from the metaphysical level but even space-time influencing the metaphysical. Limited, its true. Especially from third density.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - unity100 - 10-10-2011
(10-10-2011, 09:18 PM)apeiron Wrote: It seems to me completion of parallel existences will occur much much sooner than at end of octave/beginning of next. For one thing, I have a hard time considering parallel existences beyond 4d. And even in 4d, since the veil is non-existent there will probably be awareness of the other parallel selves (if any).
seems to start in mid 6d if you look at what Ra says about oversoul experiencing parallel existences according to its needs.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - zenmaster - 10-10-2011
(10-09-2011, 03:49 PM)unity100 Wrote:But I'm not implying a "separate" reality. What is viable from each "imagined" reality forms a "consensus" or a framework of opportunity. Consciousness/awareness/acceptance/polarization is what provides more choice or ability to choose within that framework. Whether that choice is exploitation via domination/repression or support/acceptance.(10-09-2011, 11:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The mind can be "set free". But freedom and opportunity are different things. Opportunity must be provided in order for that freedom to find use. This is an ongoing experiment where we can and do provide such opportunity to ourselves and other-selves. The "blame game" becomes ridiculous once it is known that the patterns which we create in time/space are of our own making ("reality" unfolds from what has been made possible, not from what was thought to be denied) and that, as J. Krishnamurti said, the individual and society are the same thing.
if everyone made their own reality, there would be no need for forgiveness or acceptance or control of others. you could just make up your own reality and live in it. in reality, there are needs for those things. so, it means we dont just make up our own reality.
(10-09-2011, 03:49 PM)unity100 Wrote:Didn't think that was complex? It's just one of many ways to depict the situation.(10-09-2011, 11:45 AM)zenmaster Wrote: In the process of understanding this relationship, we always find something to reject that symbolizes the "old way". The dissatisfaction must be externalized in order to find expression, because we have not yet consciously created the would-be "new way" (something perceived to be better). In effect, because we have not bothered to come up with a new way, we are asking the old way to explain what this new way might be. The baby tends to unconsciously test the parent with its tantrums, and in this way learn something.
in fact its not that complex.
(10-09-2011, 03:49 PM)unity100 Wrote: societal mind has its biases, and the souls gathering together due to acceptance of any part of that societal mind's biases and methods make up aspects of that societal mind. in short, scholastic academicians who are investing in it, are souls which prefer to see the world that way, and want to see the world that way. and they will create a place in societal mind for themselves, and keep their activities going from there. anyone accepting that part of societal mind, sharing it, employing it, will join the group and be affected accordingly by that subset. anyone being in it, but not synchronizing with it, will create distortions and frictions in between himself/herself and that mind. anyone refusing/rejecting that subset, will push it and its effects from the self.Sure, I think this type of dynamic is fairly well known.
(10-09-2011, 03:49 PM)unity100 Wrote: this is no different for anything else that goes in the mind of society. it is not something that is philosophical, more than it is an actual magical, spiritual phenomenon. hence the need for rejection or resistance to things undesired, and the necessity to seek the thoughts, ways and souls that are desired.Lots of ways to depict the situation. However, as Ra said "The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception". The intuition is the interface to the unconscious mind. Using that faculty, we may begin to apprehend what is and may be, but until those vagaries are addressed with some thinking or feeling approach, all we have is impotent hand waving of some possibility.
At an absolute level ("points at infinity"), we can't argue the phrase "all beings have equal worth or value". But until 6D, we indeed have relative value in the sense of learning that which has come time to be accepted - which is unique in space and time to the individual. In a society, we gather because we have the maximum opportunity of learning something held in common. And yes, there are groups of like minded or like valuing individuals who share a core learning framework. There are stages of these memes, which are the subdensities.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - Namaste - 10-11-2011
Let me put it another way my friend - no one here is an authority on how this place works. We have the veil to thank for that. No one can tell another they are right, or wrong. We each identify with certain distortions, and base our lives around them.
The Creator is ineffable. Attempting to restrict how the Creator offers this experience through intellectual understanding of current concepts and paradigms is a personal, highly limited, distortion(s). There are countless examples of this through history. Countless!
As an example, if Ra had mentioned that we phase between infinite parallel realities, choosing the other selves we experience (while retaining free will - as they are infinite versions of the same entity), we would not be having this conversation. You still couldn't prove it, but your beliefs would be different, based on another's influence.
Hence wisdom - learning through experience - is far more valuable than intellectual understanding (from a Wanderers stand point). In my opinion, of course.
Do you think Jesus, one of the greatest teachers of this planet, went around correcting people on their understandings of Cosmology and space/time and time/space?
Not at all, he offered one lesson; love.
We tend to get caught up identifying ourselves with our own understandings and beliefs, and in my opinion, miss the boat as to fulfilling the role of a Wanderer. But of course, herein lies further lessons, which will prove perfect for each person.
Acceptance of another's truths and experience is key to a harmonious planet. It's not this or that, it's this and that. That's how peace and harmony works, dear brother. Not everyone believing the same thing, but everyone accepting each other. It's a key to the progression of humanity, something which has held it back for untold centuries.
Much love, dear brother.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - unity100 - 10-11-2011
(10-10-2011, 10:38 PM)zenmaster Wrote: But I'm not implying a "separate" reality. What is viable from each "imagined" reality forms a "consensus"
that is most probably how it is. rather than imagined realities, the wills of entities form a consensus.
Quote:Lots of ways to depict the situation. However, as Ra said "The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception". The intuition is the interface to the unconscious mind. Using that faculty, we may begin to apprehend what is and may be, but until those vagaries are addressed with some thinking or feeling approach, all we have is impotent hand waving of some possibility.
one does not necessarily need to subscribe into a subset of societal mind in order to evade the vagaries of intuition. the mechanics of intuition, reason, should already be in place even without the society existing.
Quote:In a society, we gather because we have the maximum opportunity of learning something held in common.
the reason for socialization is probably much more simple - that the fragments desire to combine and merge into union.
Quote:There are stages of these memes, which are the subdensities.
maintained thought patterns can affect vibrations - but, i dont think that such thought patterns are responsible for creating subdensities. it is probably the vibration of the mind/spirit that determines the subdensity, and then the mind produces the behavior sets associated with that subdensity in whatever form they may be.
(10-11-2011, 07:06 AM)Namaste Wrote: Let me put it another way my friend - no one here is an authority on how this place works. We have the veil to thank for that. No one can tell another they are right, or wrong. We each identify with certain distortions, and base our lives around them.
no need to be an authority to see a contradiction in a proposed theory. if something conflicts, it cannot be real in a non-infinite subdensity continuum -> like the one we are living in.
Quote:The Creator is ineffable. Attempting to restrict how the Creator offers this experience through intellectual understanding of current concepts and paradigms is a personal, highly limited, distortion(s). There are countless examples of this through history. Countless!
believing 'the creator ineffable' does not change the fundamentals of existence. light will still travel in a straight line. with your proposition, it should be possible to live in existences in which light does not travel in straight line in OUR universe/reality. it isnt. this existence is built upon something called light traveling in a straight line. and everything else derives from it.
this exemplifies that there are common rules and laws that govern this existence so that an organized existence in which things can have meanings be possible. else, it would be impossible to perceive and make progress.
Quote:As an example, if Ra had mentioned that we phase between infinite parallel realities, choosing the other selves we experience (while retaining free will - as they are infinite versions of the same entity), we would not be having this conversation. You still couldn't prove it, but your beliefs would be different, based on another's influence.
ra says the more balanced an oversoul is, the less the need to experience parallel densities. that means, oversouls fragment to as much fragments as they need according to their balance -> NOT infinite fragments.
Quote:Hence wisdom - learning through experience - is far more valuable than intellectual understanding (from a Wanderers stand point). In my opinion, of course.
wisdom is not 'learning through experience', and there is no 'intellectual understanding' that is separate from cognitive power of mind. mind is mind everywhere. it is an archetype that existence in its base is founded upon. the central sun of this galaxy has it, the central sun of this universe has it. the first sun of all universes has it. there isnt a subset of mind you can dub 'intellectual'. thats a planet earth manufactured term.
Quote:Do you think Jesus, one of the greatest teachers of this planet, went around correcting people on their understandings of Cosmology and space/time and time/space?
actually he did. he went into jewish temple and kicked the tables down. which would amount to more than 'correcting' others on how they should perceive 'other selves' and 'creator' and experience it.
Quote:Not at all, he offered one lesson; love.
wrong, as described above.
Quote:Acceptance of another's truths and experience is key to a harmonious planet. It's not this or that, it's this and that.
if "another's truth" goes in lieu against the basics of how the universe works, proposing a contradiction to be accepted as 'truth', which in turn may bring more confusion in this veiled plane of 3d, you cannot 'accept' it.
and yes - it is 'this', or 'that' in regard to rules that govern existence -> as said, nomatter how you feel your 'truth' is in regard to this, light will still keep traveling in a straight line in this existence. noone's 'truth' will change it. follow similar spiritual laws that make an existence possible, like polarities, the properties of polarities and so on.
Quote:That's how peace and harmony works, dear brother.
no, thats how making-believe and denial works. you talk about a reality in which everything happens as you will, and then talk about forgiveness. that is not something workable. they cannot meld in the same pot. if everything happens as you please, there is no need to forgive anyone, for noone does anything that you do not particularly dislike, or dont desire, or find harmful to you. there is no point and logic to forgiving.
OR acceptance - for, if things happened exactly like you wanted them to happen, that means you dont need to accept anything - for, they are precisely as you wanted them to be in the first place.
Quote:Not everyone believing the same thing, but everyone accepting each other. It's a key to the progression of humanity, something which has held it back for untold centuries.
there is no relevance to what you say in above quote and the subject here. progress does not mean believing contradictions are possible in a 3d continuum. if so, then jump out of a window from 30th floor diving into the street below and just keep continuing living as if nothing happened.
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again, to summarize :
there is no need for forgiveness or acceptance in a reality in which everything happens as per your free will desires. in such a reality everything would happen and be like precisely as you willed, totally eliminating the need to forgive or accept because they are as you wanted them in the first place.
noone needs any authority or even any amount of spiritual information to conclude that. it is a simple contradiction. its no different than saying that you want freedom for everyone but enslave people, in appearance defying the mechanics of positive/negative.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - 3DMonkey - 10-11-2011
Imagined reality is the will at work, isn't it?
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - loop - 10-11-2011
In my case, in the majority of the cases forgiveness is not due to the others, but the to the self mostly. I need to learn to forgive myself for experiencing others' actions with a negative perception. Exclusion are these acts, which are severe infringements upon our own sovereignty, which have to be forgiven to other selves. But these are very few, compared to those on which I'm getting mad as I see the others' behavior and actions as not right and inappropriate.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - zenmaster - 10-11-2011
(10-11-2011, 11:18 AM)unity100 Wrote:It's where there is no "follow through" with the use of the intuition, to enable what is suggested by it to become experience.Quote:Lots of ways to depict the situation. However, as Ra said "The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception". The intuition is the interface to the unconscious mind. Using that faculty, we may begin to apprehend what is and may be, but until those vagaries are addressed with some thinking or feeling approach, all we have is impotent hand waving of some possibility.
one does not necessarily need to subscribe into a subset of societal mind in order to evade the vagaries of intuition. the mechanics of intuition, reason, should already be in place even without the society existing.
(10-11-2011, 11:18 AM)unity100 Wrote:Yes, we seek wholeness. Learning allows us to approach wholeness. Specific lessons need to be learned to efficiently address bias and to balance. Thus, it's a particular society at a particular place and time.Quote:In a society, we gather because we have the maximum opportunity of learning something held in common.
the reason for socialization is probably much more simple - that the fragments desire to combine and merge into union.
(10-11-2011, 11:18 AM)unity100 Wrote:Yes, the subdensities existed before the thought patterns, as with the densities. There is a particular structure in each subdensity whereby thought may find expression. We can identify these expressions as ways of "valuing" (or behavior sets). As with the densities, the general perspective oscillates between "me", "we", "me", "we", etc:Quote:There are stages of these memes, which are the subdensities.
maintained thought patterns can affect vibrations - but, i dont think that such thought patterns are responsible for creating subdensities. it is probably the vibration of the mind/spirit that determines the subdensity, and then the mind produces the behavior sets associated with that subdensity in whatever form they may be.
survival/subsistence/reproduction "me",
tribal/safety/security "we",
express self/rebel/control "me",
stability/order/obedience/conformance "we",
opportunity/success/meritocracy "me",
harmony/group sharing/earth caring/love "we",
indepedence/self-worth "me"
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - unity100 - 10-11-2011
(10-11-2011, 09:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It's where there is no "follow through" with the use of the intuition, to enable what is suggested by it to become experience.
there is no such mandatory chain from intuitive suggestion to experience. intuition may lead to answers about things happening in distant galaxies to a wandering mind, but these will not necessarily become experience of the entity.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - zenmaster - 10-12-2011
(10-11-2011, 11:28 PM)unity100 Wrote:Yes, intuition tells you from where something came and to where it's going. The intuition is about perceiving signposts and what they may suggest to the wandering mind. On the other hand, the thinking/feeling faculties are invoked to make the new information intelligible in our experience (the worldview). If these faculties are not used, there can be no experience created. So nothing is actually learned - no polarization may take place.(10-11-2011, 09:05 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It's where there is no "follow through" with the use of the intuition, to enable what is suggested by it to become experience.
there is no such mandatory chain from intuitive suggestion to experience. intuition may lead to answers about things happening in distant galaxies to a wandering mind, but these will not necessarily become experience of the entity.
And so we have stifling effect for learning when intuitive-level info, the unconscious suggestions (as compelling as they may be), are not actualized in some form due to some (unconscious) hope or fear of the resulting integration.
"There is no experience which is not purchased by effort of some kind".
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - 3DMonkey - 10-12-2011
(10-12-2011, 12:01 AM)zenmaster Wrote: If these faculties are not used, there can be no experience created. So nothing is actually learned - no polarization may take place.
And so we have stifling effect for learning when intuitive-level info, the unconscious suggestions (as compelling as they may be), are not actualized in some form due to some (unconscious) hope or fear of the resulting integration.
"There is no experience which is not purchased by effort of some kind".
No experience? Nothing learned? Stifling effect?
These are only relevant to a mind fixated on climbing a self created ladder.
Doing nothing is an effort of some kind.
" All things in manifestation may be seen in one way or another to be offering themselves in order that transformations may take place upon the level appropriate to the action"
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - Namaste - 10-12-2011
Jesus was unconditional love. Acceptance abounded. His teachings were simple, not to tell people what not to do, or who was wrong, but rather, to follow his way of life.
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - loop - 10-12-2011
source: http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/breaking-astral-news/theultimatescientificprooffortheaccuracyoftheascension-dateatthestargate111111
Quote:Steve`s Numerological Proof for the Accuracy of the Ascension Scenario at the Stargate 11.11.11Makes sense to me ...
"With regard to Calleman's interpretation of the Mayan calendar, I had a small revelation the other day that I posted over on Kauilapele's Blog that I think is worth passing along to RMN's readers.
In Calleman's research, the ninth and final wave completes this 16 billion year cycle on October 28th.
Each wave proceeds its 7 "days" and 6 "nights" 20 times faster than the wave before it.
The current wave has days/nights which are ~20 days in length.
The previous eighth wave had days/night of ~1 year, and the seventh wave had days/nights of ~20 years each. OK.
If the ninth wave ends on October 28th, a theoretical "10th wave" would start on October 29th.
Its days and nights proceed 20 times faster than those of the ninth wave.
That would be about 1 calendar-day per wave-day or wave-night.
7 wave-days and 6 wave-nights would be 13 calendar days, thus ending a theoretical 10th wave on November 10th.
A theoretical "11th Wave" would start (and complete) the following day - November 11th.
Yes, at the stargate 11/11/11.
Wave-days and wave-nights proceed 20 times faster than in the 10th wave.
1/20th of a calendar day is one hour and twelve minutes, which is as if the 10th-wave-days were actually just a "hair" shorter,
Easily becomes: one hour and eleven minutes. 1:11.
"11th Wave" -- 11/11/11. 1:11 wave-days/nights.
That's a whole lot of one's falling on the same day.
The numerological significance is kind of exciting, especially since much of the channeled material we see here also points to 11/11/11."
RE: Quite interesting - Mayan day/nights and earth periods - Namaste - 10-12-2011
Interesting to ponder. Many groups around the world are promoting ascension portals opening on 11/11/11 for those who choose (and are ready) to go. Some may stay around to help others.
I prefer to hold an excited view of the future, with a relaxed belief system; i.e. anything is possible :¬)