(08-25-2014, 01:38 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Victor Frankl was a Jewish prisoner of a Nazi concentration camp who was miraculously able to survive thanks in no small part to a faith that he had a purpose and that there was greater meaning. In his small and heartbreakingly beautiful book, "Man's Search for Meaning" he contends that where people have a why, they can endure any how.

That is to say, when one has a sense of meaning or purpose, that meaning or purpose can, above all things, carry one through circumstances and modes of suffering that otherwise could not be endured.

(08-24-2014, 01:17 PM)manniz Wrote: True love needs understanding.
By providing honest feedbalc from the ground here in this heavily veiled third density, we are providing understanding to the whole of creation.

It may all be an illusion here, but creation takes it very seriously.

Quote:60.16 ↥ Questioner: The pyramid shape then, as I understand it, was deemed by your social memory complex at that time to be of paramount importance as, shall I say, a physical training aid for spiritual development. At this particular time in the evolution of our planet it seems that you place little or no emphasis on this shape. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. It is our honor/duty to attempt to remove the distortions that the use of this shape has caused in the thinking of your peoples and in the activities of some of your entities. We do not deny that such shapes are efficacious, nor do we withhold the general gist of this efficacy. However, we wish to offer our understanding, limited though it is, that contrary to our naïve beliefs many thousands of your years ago the optimum shape for initiation does not exist.

Let us expand upon this point. When we were aided by sixth-density entities during our own third-density experiences we, being less bellicose in the extreme, found this teaching to be of help. In our naïveté in third density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power. We were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.

We spent a much larger portion of our space/time working with the unmanifested being. In this less complex atmosphere it was quite instructive to have this learn/teaching device and we benefited without the distortions we found occurring among your peoples.

We have recorded these differences meticulously in the Great Record of Creation that such naïveté shall not be necessary again.

At this space/time we may best serve you, we believe, by stating that the pyramid for meditation along with other rounded and arched or pointed circular shapes is of help to you. However, it is our observation that due to the complexity of influences upon the unmanifested being at this space/time nexus among your planetary peoples it is best that the progress of the mind/body/spirit complex take place without, as you call them, training aids because when using a training aid an entity then takes upon itself the Law of Responsibility for the quickened or increased rate of learn/teaching. If this greater understanding, if we may use this misnomer, is not put into practice in the moment by moment experience of the entity, then the usefulness of the training aid becomes negative.

Quote:8.30 Questioner: Is this the type of craft that Dan Frye was transported in?

Ra: I am Ra. The one known as Daniel was, in thought-form, transported by Confederation thought-form vehicular illusion in order to give this mind/body/spirit complex data so that we might see how this type of contact aided your people in the uncovering of the intelligent infinity behind the illusion of limits.

8.31 Questioner: Would it be possible for any of us to have some type of contact with the Confederation in a more direct way?

Ra: I am Ra. In observing the distortions of those who underwent this experiential sequence we decided to gradually back off, shall I say, from direct contact in thought-form. The least distortion seems to be available in mind-to-mind communication. Therefore, the request to be taken aboard is not one we care to comply with. You are most valuable in your present orientation.

Quote:8.16 Questioner: What did they do to Charlie Hickson when they took him on board?

Ra: I am Ra. They used his mind/body/spirit complex’s life experience, concentrating upon the experience of the complexes of what you call war.

8.17 Questioner: How did they use them?

Ra: I am Ra. The use of experience is to learn. Consider a race who watches a movie. It experiences a story and identifies with the feelings, perceptions, and experiences of the hero.

Quote:27.8 ↥ Questioner: Now, I understand that the first distortion of intelligent infinity is the distortion of what we call free will. Can you give me a definition of this distortion?

Ra: I am Ra. In this distortion of the Law of One it is recognized that the Creator will know Itself.

27.9 ↥ Questioner: Then am I correct then in assuming that the Creator will know Itself the Creator, then grants for this knowing the concept of freedom— total freedom of choice in the ways of knowing? Am I correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct.

(08-24-2014, 01:17 PM)manniz Wrote: And solutions. Obviously, creation wants to exist, and for that it has to keep darkness in limits. Give free will to darkness, but also protect the free will of its victims.

(08-25-2014, 01:38 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: I am simply trying to find my own way through the mazed darkness, and share accordingly.

(08-26-2014, 02:09 PM)manniz Wrote: Confused, thanks a lot for the quotes.

(08-24-2014, 01:17 PM)manniz Wrote: [...] You would have understood the darkness, instead of ignoring it. True love needs understanding.
By providing honest feedbalc from the ground here in this heavily veiled third density, we are providing understanding to the whole of creation.

It may all be an illusion here, but creation takes it very seriously. [...]

Quote:30.1 ↥ Questioner: I am going to make a statement and then let you correct it if I have made any errors. This is the statement: Creation is a single entity or unity. If only a single entity exists, then the only concept of service is service to self. If this single entity subdivides, then the concept of service of one of its parts to the other part is born. From this concept springs the equality of service to self or to others. It would seem that as the Logos subdivided, parts would select each orientation. As individualized entities emerge in space/time then I would assume that they have polarity. Is this statement correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This statement is quite perceptive and correct until the final phrase in which we note that the polarities begin to be explored only at the point when a third-density entity becomes aware of the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others. This marks the end of what you may call the unselfconscious or innocent phase of conscious awareness.

Quote:82.29 ▶ Questioner: You stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize anything more than 50% service to self to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil? The same percentage polarization?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process. The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.

May we ask if there are any brief queries at this working?

Quote:Free will does not mean that there will be no circumstances when calculations will be awry. This is so in all aspects of the life experience. Although there are no mistakes, there are surprises.

(Words of Ra extracted from 69.17)

Quote:52.12 ↥ Questioner: Thank you. In mentioning, in the previous session, the harvest, you mentioned the light-bringers from the octave. Am I to understand that those who provide the light for the gradation of graduation are of an octave above the one we experience? Could you tell me more about these light-bringers, who they are, etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion.

Is there any brief query which you have at this time?

(08-24-2014, 01:17 PM)manniz Wrote: Give free will to darkness, but also protect the free will of its victims. No point to life without freedom. Even unconditional love needs freedom to experience, freedom to exist.

(08-28-2014, 03:42 PM)Confused Wrote: Till a new infinity comes around, probably there will be no direct satisfactory answer

Quote:The burning question I have is why was it necessary to take action in order to create the potential for, and then the reality of additional suffering if the goal is to explore the beauty of love? There are several assumptions in this question - please correct them if they are not accurate.

I understand your question, [Stranger], and this concerns once again the nature of suffering, the nature of the Creator that would permit suffering, and the associated questions - am I correct?

Yes, Father, thank you for clarifying that for me.

Now, once again, listen very intently for this answer is similarly complex to the preceding one. There is no suffering. It is as illusory as a mirage of smoke on the horizon at sunset, that is the truth. There is simply no reality to suffering that would allow it to be considered its own category of event in any sense that can be considered ultimate. Do you understand this?

No father, I do not.

I shall make another attempt. In the same way that you have realized that all existence is illusory, so is the experience of suffering, that is the truth. Within the context of suffering, there is truth to it. But in reality nothing suffers, and that is the truth. Things and beings, such as they are, consider themselves to be suffering, but underneath the very thin surface of that experience is an absolutely infinite ocean of loving-bliss, and that is the truth. Does that make better sense now?

You are saying that in the totality of a being's experience, suffering is a very light dusting, shall we say, on the surface of beingness that is always blissful, but forgets that it is so on a conscious level because of the various separators which have been put in place, such as the veil?

[Stranger], you have fully grasped the nature and meaning of what I was saying to you, and that is the truth. Do not doubt it. Just as you can feel extreme joy while having a tooth pulled - and yes, it is possible within the realm of your conscious experience, especially if the tooth had been infected - so does your inner being experience absolute bliss regardless of the surface suffering of which you may be aware, which may be expanded and focused upon to such an extreme extent that it begins to appear to fill the entirety of your being, but in reality nothing could be further from the truth.

(08-31-2014, 02:16 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I guess my purpose here is to have fun, however difficult that is sometimes.

Is that other people's purpose too? Are we here just to have fun, and trying to get all blissed out?

(08-31-2014, 07:01 PM)Unbound Wrote: What feels better about that?

(08-31-2014, 07:08 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Indeed, you're not free when you cling to purpose absolutely: You're controlling yourself and potentially others by forcing compliance with one goal.

(08-31-2014, 07:16 PM)Unbound Wrote: How does seeing all as one stop the flow of experience that may include any emotion or perceptual state?

Are all positives thus just immune to any kind of instigation? I don't believe so, myself.

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Pain still exists without the veil, it is just accepted more easily.

Quote:42.2: ...The catalyst of experience works in order for the learn/teachings of this density to occur. However, if there is seen in the being a response, even if it is simply observed, the entity is still using the catalyst for learn/teaching. The end result is that the catalyst is no longer needed. Thus this density is no longer needed. This is not indifference or objectivity but a finely tuned compassion and love which sees all things as love. This seeing elicits no response due to catalytic reactions. Thus the entity is now able to become co-Creator of experiential occurrences. This is the truer balance.