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RE: Is the universe just? - Billy - 07-05-2014
If there were no such thing as karma, then wouldn't that mean that people truly are victims in some circumstances? If so, this bothers me. I'm wondering if every 'bad' feeling, experience and event can be linked to karma? If so, how can we be aware of it?
RE: Is the universe just? - anagogy - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 04:42 PM)Folk-love Wrote: If there were no such thing as karma, then wouldn't that mean that people truly are victims in some circumstances? If so, this bothers me. I'm wondering if every 'bad' feeling, experience and event can be linked to karma? If so, how can we be aware of it?
Materialists have this idea of "wrong place wrong time" as an explanation for some bad events that occur to people. However, even from a "create your own reality" standpoint there is such a thing as "wrong vibrational vicinity, wrong time".
In other words, even though your conscious thoughts determine exactly what happens to you at any given time, most people, even those that purport to have some measure of control over their thoughts, do not have absolute control of their thoughts, and thus, do not have absolute control of their realities.
So not everything can be attributed directly to karma (perhaps indirectly however). Sometimes, in our ignorance, and lack of finessed deliberate focusing, manifest ourselves unknowingly into negative situations -- much to our detriment. But even in that negative self created event we, in that moment of experiencing the unwanted, know more clearly what we do want, and unconsciously ask the universe for that preference. And that asking and answering to and from the universe is really what karma is about.
RE: Is the universe just? - Adonai One - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 04:42 PM)Folk-love Wrote: If there were no such thing as karma, then wouldn't that mean that people truly are victims in some circumstances? If so, this bothers me. I'm wondering if every 'bad' feeling, experience and event can be linked to karma? If so, how can we be aware of it?Victimhood is a mental construct. Victimhood only exists if one believes they are entitled to be treated a certain way.
RE: Is the universe just? - Billy - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 04:51 PM)anagogy Wrote: But even in that negative self created event we, in that moment of experiencing the unwanted, know more clearly what we do want, and unconsciously ask the universe for that preference.
So it can be seen as a way of refining the self and 'shedding' or 'dropping' whats not needed through experience? Thanks anagogy, you have been helpful.
RE: Is the universe just? - Adonai One - 07-05-2014
Once one believes and accepts anything can happen for any reason, the desire for reasons in this context falls away.
RE: Is the universe just? - Billy - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 05:10 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Once one believes and accepts anything can happen for any reason, the desire for reasons falls away.
What about morality?
RE: Is the universe just? - Adonai One - 07-05-2014
Morality doesn't exist.
Quote:1.7: In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things.
There is only one justice: The Law of One. And it inherently exists.
RE: Is the universe just? - anagogy - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 05:46 PM)Adonai One Wrote: There is only one justice: The Law of One. And it inherently exists.
But what does that actually mean, Adonai?
If you had to define the justice of the Law of One in a practical, down to earth way, how would you define it?
RE: Is the universe just? - Adonai One - 07-05-2014
Everything is acceptable and will inevitably be accepted.
RE: Is the universe just? - AnthroHeart - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 05:53 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Everything is acceptable and will inevitably be accepted.
This makes sense for true unity to exist. I believe you said that unity is inherent.
RE: Is the universe just? - Billy - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 05:46 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Morality doesn't exist.
Quote:1.7: In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things.
There is only one justice: The Law of One. And it inherently exists.
Does that mean there is no order in the universe? Seems there would have to be for it to work.
(07-05-2014, 05:53 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Everything is acceptable and will inevitably be accepted.
Aren't there more harmonious paths though? Or do you see this as a lack of acceptance? Thanks Adonai.
RE: Is the universe just? - Adonai One - 07-05-2014
The universe exists for the sake of itself. It doesn't have to work. It just happens to do so because the desires across octaves happened to become so consistent it formed unshakeable structures. They do not have to be there and can change and be dismantled the moment the universe decides it doesn't need them.
Order, again, is a mental construct. It's just consistent will.
(07-05-2014, 05:56 PM)Folk-love Wrote: Aren't there more harmonious paths though? Or do you see this as a lack of acceptance? Thanks Adonai.
Quote:4.20: Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator.
There are paths that are more resonant within the self. When one chooses to embrace The Law of One and see everything as resonant, nothing is disharmonious, everything is satisfactory.
RE: Is the universe just? - Billy - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 05:59 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The universe exists for the sake of itself. It doesn't have to work. It just happens to do so because the desires across octaves happened to become so consistent it formed unshakeable structures.
Why did these desires occur then?
RE: Is the universe just? - Adonai One - 07-05-2014
(07-05-2014, 06:05 PM)Folk-love Wrote:(07-05-2014, 05:59 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The universe exists for the sake of itself. It doesn't have to work. It just happens to do so because the desires across octaves happened to become so consistent it formed unshakeable structures.
Why did these desires occur then?
For the sake of themselves. I try to use meditation to go all the way back and I see an entirely white universe. Instead of black, there is just endless white light. Within the white light, there were winds of grey and black that expanded then contracted back into light with the light growing duller and duller. This continued for eons and eons and eons and eons until the first central sun appeared when all the light condensed, with black remaining surrounding it. This was many many many octaves/universes ago.
The original desire was just white light wishing to see what is is not: It flickered off then flickered a part of itself on again. That was the original desire: 1 then 0 then back to 1 again.
RE: Is the universe just? - Billy - 07-05-2014
We all have preferences though dont we? Cant it also be said the Logos has preferences and biases? I always though acceptance and non resistance were used to move into a more harmonious and loving existence. Nobody wants to suffer, no?
RE: Is the universe just? - Adonai One - 07-05-2014
I do not doubt that some universes wanted to suffer and suffered all the way through.
Indeed, everybody has preferences but all of these preferences are based on consciousness being aware of unconsciousness. 1 being aware of 0. Some choose to only be aware of 0 and deny the 1.
Indeed things will likely go into harmony but I believe the universe can go into infinite pain embraced as a subjective harmony, with peace being the truest pain to such beings. And everything would still be well and one because even though everything would be in pain, the pain would be enjoyed.
I think this answers the intent of your question.
RE: Is the universe just? - AnthroHeart - 07-05-2014
Your "everything would be in pain" sounds like once I thought I was headed for an Octave of only Light but no Love. It just kept getting hotter with no relief.
RE: Is the universe just? - Adonai One - 07-05-2014
Light without love could only be described as light always trying to find its source at the fastest rate.
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RE: Is the universe just? - AnthroHeart - 07-06-2014
(07-05-2014, 10:18 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Light without love could only be described as light always trying to find its source at the fastest rate.
A quasar doesn't sound like a pleasant place to live.