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RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Adonai One - 07-03-2014
Balancing:
Acceptance of what is desired in balance with what can be fulfilled.
(07-03-2014, 12:21 AM)Spaced Wrote:(07-03-2014, 12:14 AM)vervex Wrote: Oh no! My money isn't leaving my wallet!
This is a silly bet in my opinion; there is no need for such monetary incentive as people here inherently share their thoughts freely. Besides, Immanuel can't afford to throw money by the windows nowadays. So, consider this wager most likely improbable, as if anyone "convinces" him, I'll steal his cash and hide it somewhere hehe
It almost seems as if . . . he never intended to make the pay-out at all :exclamation: Shocker!
Oh I will if somebody can really wreck my brain into considering their philosophy hard enough. If somebody can give me a good abstract of what polarity is all about and bring me anywhere near being convinced, then I'll write the check.
Vervex threatens to steal my cash but I won't let her.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - vervex - 07-03-2014
(07-03-2014, 12:21 AM)Spaced Wrote: It almost seems as if . . . he never intended to make the pay-out at all :exclamation: Shocker!
Oh, Immanuel isn't a liar. He does intend to make a pay-out, if he is convinced, as he says. I just don't think I'd be very happy about it, or wouldn't try to do something to prevent it. I am actually honestly a bit upset but that issue is mine (and Immanuel's) to resolve.
Thanks for the definitions Immanuel. Is this universally accepted as truth or is it your interpretation? Could you provide me with a quote for the nature of positive polarization and balancing? Thank you in advance.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Spaced - 07-03-2014
(07-03-2014, 12:35 AM)vervex Wrote:(07-03-2014, 12:21 AM)Spaced Wrote: It almost seems as if . . . he never intended to make the pay-out at all :exclamation: Shocker!
Oh, Immanuel isn't a liar. He does intend to make a pay-out, if he is convinced, as he says. I just don't think I'd be very happy about it, or wouldn't try to do something to prevent it. I am actually honestly a bit upset but that issue is mine (and Immanuel's) to resolve.
Oh I'm sure, but it would only happen if someone were to meet his very narrow criteria for what would be acceptably convincing of an argument. It's like James Randi and his million bux for anyone who can demonstrate that paranormal phenomena are real. It'll never happen.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Adonai One - 07-03-2014
All I need is two premises and a conclusion, truly, as a sufficient format.
Socrates is mortal because all men are mortal.
Because all men are mortal and Socrates is a man, Socrates is mortal.
Vervex:
Quote:46.10 Questioner: Then as I understand it you are saying that if the positively polarizing entity fails to accept the other-self or if the negatively polarizing entity fails to control the other-self, either of these conditions will cause cancer, possibly. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. The first acceptance, or control depending upon polarity, is of the self. Anger is one of many things to be accepted and loved as a part of self or controlled as a part of self, if the entity is to do work.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Spaced - 07-03-2014
Ra is a positively polarized entity whose stated purpose is to teach/learn the Law of One. Ra emphasizes the importance of balance in achieving polarization, which provides momentum to the seeking of the Law of One.
Ra is a sixth density entity and is beyond polarity, including happiness/unhappiness.
Therefore positive polarity and balancing is not motivated by the search for happiness, it's motivated by the search for unity.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - xise - 07-03-2014
There are a number of passages in the Ra material that put balancing and polarization in terms of the love concepts contained in the energy centers. A good portion of the material involves discussion of energy center belief balance.
You might disagree with it Adonai and there's nothing wrong with that at all, but the Ra material makes it clear that there is more to balance and polarization than only acceptance, though if you redefine acceptance into a variety of variations to model each energy center, then I think you may well be in agreement. But one area where acceptance misses the mark as commonly understood is when balancing of wisdom is done. You can try and put wisdom in terms of acceptance, but it's not a natural fit linguistically.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Adonai One - 07-03-2014
Wisdom is the acceptance of the responsibility of fulfilling the desires of the self and people that have been accepted?
(07-03-2014, 01:09 AM)Spaced Wrote: Ra is a positively polarized entity whose stated purpose is to teach/learn the Law of One. Ra emphasizes the importance of balance in achieving polarization, which provides momentum to the seeking of the Law of One.
Ra is a sixth density entity and is beyond polarity, including happiness/unhappiness.
Therefore positive polarity and balancing is not motivated by the search for happiness, it's motivated by the search for unity.
Why is unity not equal to happiness?
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Adonai One - 07-03-2014
Core reason for this thread: Just want to see if there will ever be an agreement of any sense of terminology between me and this forum. Anyways, I'm always available for discussion.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Hotsizzle77 - 07-03-2014
Balancing is about not going through life with an immense amount of energy blockages caused by tramatic life events/ any blockage associated with the chakras. It's all about releasing distortions.
Positive polarization is just the path that we can choose to take.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Spaced - 07-03-2014
(07-03-2014, 01:49 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Why is unity not equal to happiness?
Why would it be?
Both those concepts have clearly defined meaning in the English language. The language we are using.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Karl - 07-03-2014
1. All humans are selfish
2. All human hate themselves (and others) for it
Therefore not being selfish, makes them inhuman, which makes them not hate themselves, which makes them not-miserable. Give me money.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Phoenix - 07-03-2014
It is about happiness. But the happiness that comes from purpose.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - GentleReckoning - 07-03-2014
(07-02-2014, 08:28 PM)xise Wrote: Not interested in the money.
Quote:82.21 ▶ Questioner: Then even though, from our point of view, there was great evolutionary experience it was deemed at some point by the evolving Logos that an experiment to create a greater experience was appropriate. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may benefit from comment. The Logos is aware of the nature of the third-density requirement for what you have called graduation. All the previous, if you would use this term, experiments, although resulting in many experiences, lacked what was considered the crucial ingredient; that is, polarization. There was little enough tendency for experience to polarize entities that entities repeated habitually the third-density cycles many times over. It was desired that the potential for polarization be made more available.
82.22 ▶ Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service-to-others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirit complexes at that time? Were they aware of the necessity for the polarization or unaware of it? And if so, why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?
Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.
Positive polarization isn't all about happiness.
I'm actually working on that through video games. I met a an old friend in MN that worked 20-30 hours a week, had his small social network and played video games. He was in now way successful, but he simply radiated content. Being around him made me feel as though he was an aspect of the bhudda so simple was his life. I felt more at peace just being around him.
I feel it's a useful skill to develop. Complete contentedness through simple catalyst.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - AnthroHeart - 07-03-2014
Ah, if I could radiate well being, that would be nice.
Polarization - anagogy - 07-03-2014
(07-02-2014, 05:35 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I will send $100 to the person that convinces me that positive polarization and balancing is not about satisfaction and feeling happiness with everything that occurs and can occur, in other words, not about simply being at peace and happy. Additionally, you will have to convince me that serving the desires of others is not a natural act that comes from accepting all things.
There is a relationship between happiness and connection, or oneness, but I wouldn't exactly equate them with the exact same thing. Happiness, an emotional response, is our perception of the vibrational variance between our physical thoughts, and the thoughts of the higher self. When the variance is zero, you feel the joy that is inherent in intelligent infinity.
So your emotions are your perception of oneness, or lack thereof, but they are not the oneness in and of itself. Though one would be hard pressed to identify something that was not a part of oneness (no such thing).
But you are right, when you are in the midst of the flow of intelligent infinity, you will feel like helping people. Someone in that state has something to offer someone, where as someone who is imbalanced has little to offer due to their disconnection with the cosmos.
(07-02-2014, 05:35 PM)Adonai One Wrote: If you can convince me that balancing is only about attaining a goal higher than the self, acting in a certain way or something totally removed from personal happiness, you will receive $100 in the mail. All you have to do is PM me your address to claim.
Convince me.
Balancing is about obtaining a goal higher than yourself, because it eventually results in transcending the self. But to say "only" would be incorrect. And to say, "totally removed from personal happiness" would be a misnomer too, because balance starts in the lower chakras which are all about self. And what a horrible existence that would be, if we weren't allowed to be happy and follow our soul path.
However, balance is its own reward. Connection is its own reward. Feeling in tune with your own beingness is its own reward. Your consciousness broadens to the point where it encompasses all selves, and then, in the eighth density beyond all selves.
Though we are a ways off from that, naturally.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Adonai One - 07-03-2014
Infinity is not myself?
infinity - anagogy - 07-04-2014
(07-03-2014, 11:51 PM)Adonai One Wrote: Infinity is not myself?
Infinity extends beyond the structure we call "self". A self is a focused perspective -- a kinetic state of energy. Unpotentiated intelligent infinity goes beyond that, as the container for all possibility.
A self creates a distinction between inner and outer. Intelligent infinity has no such boundary or edge. There is nothing external to an unbounded essence.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Adonai One - 07-04-2014
Quote:1.7 Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation...
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infinity - anagogy - 07-04-2014
(07-04-2014, 12:53 AM)Adonai One Wrote:Quote:1.7 Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation...
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You see a contradiction where there is none.
I never said the self went away. I just said that infinity transcended the self. Everything is present in infinity, including the self. All I said is that infinity is not limited to the self.
But the contained is not the container.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Adonai One - 07-04-2014
Does not every person contain the creator according to Ra? Are we not all things?
Is not every person a container of the creator and all?
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Unbound - 07-04-2014
Can we not be both contained and the container? This is what I think of when I consider the self beyond the self.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Adonai One - 07-04-2014
I consider myself all. I don't see why I should be considered contained within anything. I don't see anything beyond me. Why should I? In the course of infinity, the inevitability is us becoming aware of all and seeing everything at once, including this moment. It's going to happen no matter what we do so why should I put it above me?
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Spaced - 07-04-2014
Adonai, how come you never responded to my last comment? Convince Me™ that happiness and unity are the same thing.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Adonai One - 07-04-2014
Love is inherently a happy action.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness - native - 07-04-2014
Ever work with lazy co-workers? How did it make you feel? Another person's free ride (happiness) does not always beget happiness (it annoys the hell out of us in this example).
The workplace is a microcosm of the macrocosm. Not everyone just gets what they want. Nothing would get done. Life requires giving and taking..working together. In the workplace I'm able to not be bothered by people's laziness..up to a point..I can see myself and it makes me chuckle, but there are things that do bother me and I speak up.
We can accept the conditions in the world, understanding them as the creator experiencing itself, and perhaps know that there isn't much that we can change, but we can change ourselves and the decisions we make. Our choices related to our own happiness have consequences on another's happiness. So it's a balance as always. Some things you're just going to annoy others with and oh well, they're gonna have to deal with it. But in other cases we have to consider both sides.
I think we have to be careful when we look outwards and become dull to the suffering around us in the name of being enlightened. The best description for that I've heard is "Being bred out of our humanity."
By the way, depending on where you work, the workplace can be a great place to understand and experience yourself, putting things you're learning into practice in terms of acceptance, speaking up etc.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - ChickenInSpace - 07-04-2014
Adonai One Wrote:Love is inherently a happy action.
Yes ^^.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - Bring4th_Austin - 07-04-2014
(07-04-2014, 09:57 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Love is inherently a happy action.
I see love as a state of being from which happy actions spring, including what could be called "loving."
Edit PS.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - reeay - 07-04-2014
"Convince Me™" is a game set up for failure and discord and long threads w/ circular arguments. It's like picking up cards and playing w/ 'opponents'. Why would somebody who feels so strongly about being indoctrinated and 'changed' by others request to Convince Me™?
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for - Horuseus - 07-04-2014
(07-02-2014, 05:35 PM)Adonai One Wrote: about satisfaction and feeling happiness with everything that occurs and can occur, in other words, not about simply being at peace and happy.
How about being happy and satisfied with not being happy and satisfied?
Personally speaking I've never placed much (If any) weighting on 'polarisation' as some sort of goal one must strive for. It is a natural byproduct of experience that is the fulcrum of life itself. We are always 'polarising', or rather, moving towards reintegration with Source/Creator/Whatever, as even if one takes 2 steps backwards in a life, it is still a step in a process that is ultimately moving forward. An 'efficient' way (for lack of a better term) is to stop trying to polarise, and obviously to accept and acknowledge ones own unique essence and place in the Universe, working with that. It can only work in a holistic way if we are playing our roles. If we're trying to be something other than that, we meet with resistance, which is ultimately what the issue comes down to.
Stop trying to aim for STO/STS. Just go straight to your personal source that is your Higher Self that has already 'been there and done that', and is waiting with an open hand for it's aspect/you to take hold of it.
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. These are my personal opinions and should only be used for entertainment and fictional purposes. Seek medical advice of a Doctor if you must, just don't sue my ass.
Money plz.
RE: Convince me that positive polarization and balancing isn't about happiness for $100 - AnthroHeart - 07-04-2014
(07-04-2014, 05:47 PM)Horuseus Wrote: Personally speaking I've never placed much (If any) weighting on 'polarisation' as some sort of goal one must strive for. It is a natural byproduct of experience that is the fulcrum of life itself. We are always 'polarising', or rather, moving towards reintegration with Source/Creator/Whatever, as even if one takes 2 steps backwards in a life, it is still a step in a process that is ultimately moving forward. An 'efficient' way (for lack of a better term) is to stop trying to polarise, and obviously to accept and acknowledge ones own unique essence and place in the Universe, working with that. It can only work in a holistic way if we are playing our roles. If we're trying to be something other than that, we meet with resistance, which is ultimately what the issue comes down to.
Stop trying to aim for STO/STS. Just go straight to your personal source that is your Higher Self that has already 'been there and done that', and is waiting with an open hand for it's aspect/you to take hold of it.
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. These are my personal opinions and should only be used for entertainment and fictional purposes. Seek medical advice of a Doctor if you must, just don't sue my ass.
Money plz.
Good words. I have been placing utmost importance on how I polarize. Been worried about it. Been trying to be STO, and it sometimes makes it hard to live when I feel I must serve one who does not appreciate being served.