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RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Unbound - 01-27-2014
After I made my last post and started walking to work I had some very freeing realizations. I think I am finally starting to understand the nature of the orange ray.
"The orange ray is what it is, without difference."
It does not matter what state I am experiencing, if that is my experience and I am honest about it then that is what it is and I have no need to explain it to anyone. The assessments of others are part of their own experience and I can only respond from within the scope of my own.
I don't need to be any particular way to be accepted by myself, I only need to accept that which I am and that which I experience. My conduct in the world is my responsibility and I know for myself that although I change my techniques or outwards behaviours there is a core that is following a path and despite what anyone says I have to know and discern for myself what and who I want to be.
All of identity is a story told in consciousness, and there is that which actually occurs as a function of that kaleidescope of identities. It does not matter which identity I choose to create myself as, none are wrong. Whether I am sad, angry, depressed, violent, pacifist, happy, bubbly, excited, lonely, having self esteem issues, being arrogant, it does not matter because it is acceptable for me to experience myself in whatever way I do. What is truly important is how I choose to manage myself within my own life.
Thank you guys for this diverse catalyst, I feel I have gotten exactly what I needed from this even if I wasnt fully aware what I desired from it.
Ultimately I just wanted to engage in interaction with you all, I feel I spend a lot of time expressing things and I enjoy experiencing the expressions of others and am trying to do so more, because I feel I grow the most that way.
I feel content right now in the knowing that regardless of how crazy I might ever seem to be, everyone else is just as crazy as I am! We have all come here to experience these bodily forms and we are all subject to the Law of Confusion. I am confused, and I am happy with that fact, for at least then I know where I am at.
(01-27-2014, 01:51 PM)rie Wrote: Teach/learn and learn/teach can have very spontaneous flow to it. We share ideas with each other, and depending on where we are at in that specific moment, we may learn something new even when the idea or concept is familiar. There's a concept called the Beginner's Mind, coined by Suzuki Roshi, a zen buddhist monk. The beginner's mind is a mind that is open to all possibilities. An expert's mind is closed to possibilities so learning new things is a bit of a challenge. When we encounter something that we think is familiar, we can take a step back and let go of our crystalized knowledge, and discover something new about it.
Make something familiar, unfamiliar
Make something unfamiliar and make it more familiar.
Fresh perspectives. More neurons firing and making new connection. Ahaaaaa lol
Aha! In balancing the mind we find the opposites in all things. In all that is familiar we must find the unfamiliar and vice versa, yes?
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Rake - 01-27-2014
Disconnect to reconnect in new ways.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Unbound - 01-27-2014
(01-27-2014, 06:09 PM)Rake Wrote: Disconnect to reconnect in new ways.
Well put, sometimes we have to distance ourselves in order to gain a new perspective. Makes me think of this quote:
Quote:It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Parsons - 01-27-2014
(01-27-2014, 08:58 PM)Tanner Wrote:(01-27-2014, 06:09 PM)Rake Wrote: Disconnect to reconnect in new ways.
Well put, sometimes we have to distance ourselves in order to gain a new perspective. Makes me think of this quote:
Quote:It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.
Great advice and quote... I had forgotten about that. I tend to feel something similar to guilt when another seeker firmly offers a viewpoint which seems to conflict with my own and I just don't resonate with it.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - zenmaster - 01-27-2014
(01-27-2014, 10:56 PM)Parsons Wrote: I tend to feel something similar to guilt when another seeker firmly offers a viewpoint which seems to conflict with my own and I just don't resonate with it.Why? Do you have some kind of "inner critic" that demands resonation?
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Zachary - 01-27-2014
Hey Tanner,
I don't know you as well as some of the other people on this forum. So my comment are based on just my general impression of you.
Embrace vulnerability and continue to open up to those you care about and speak from the heart.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Parsons - 01-28-2014
(01-27-2014, 11:08 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-27-2014, 10:56 PM)Parsons Wrote: I tend to feel something similar to guilt when another seeker firmly offers a viewpoint which seems to conflict with my own and I just don't resonate with it.Why? Do you have some kind of "inner critic" that demands resonation?
I'm not exactly sure... It's not that I feel obligated to agree with their viewpoint. I think maybe its because they are so sure of themselves and I tend to put myself in other's shoes that it implants doubt into my own viewpoint.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - zenmaster - 01-28-2014
Do you want to know why you feel that way?
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Rake - 01-28-2014
(01-28-2014, 12:48 AM)Parsons Wrote:(01-27-2014, 11:08 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(01-27-2014, 10:56 PM)Parsons Wrote: I tend to feel something similar to guilt when another seeker firmly offers a viewpoint which seems to conflict with my own and I just don't resonate with it.Why? Do you have some kind of "inner critic" that demands resonation?
I'm not exactly sure... It's not that I feel obligated to agree with their viewpoint. I think maybe its because they are so sure of themselves and I tend to put myself in other's shoes that it implants doubt into my own viewpoint.
Accept their viewpoint as it is based on thier own experiences. It may not resonate but it may still be a valid opinion from there perspective/ experience. It could highlight an idea that perhaps you need to look at again. The guilt is interesting, I would really think about the reason for it? Is it guilt you dont offer your own opinion? .
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - greywolf - 01-28-2014
I believe adept is inherently yellow ray, if one is drawn to that line then integrity and self-sufficiency (like another poster pointed out) are paramount. You seem to be aware of deficiency in this area yourself, but still ask questions and/or approval from others. You seem to have concluded your original intent was wrong and the world was right, and maybe developed some issues that way. There is no infringement of free will if the assistance is given in response to a request, only if there is paternalism and holier-than-thou attitudes.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Fastidious Emanations - 01-28-2014
Isn't an 'adept' just good at penetrating the forgetting, and therefore the title would inherently describe a yellow-ray entity?
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - greywolf - 01-28-2014
(01-28-2014, 11:44 AM)primordial abyss Wrote: Isn't an 'adept' just good at penetrating the forgetting, and therefore the title would inherently describe a yellow-ray entity?
No adept is about balancing of the opposites fundamentally, but in terms of sts or sto polarity I believe it is neither blue or red but yellow. That is why Ra emphasises the techniques are similar for adepts of both polarities, the intent is what makes the difference.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Parsons - 01-28-2014
(01-28-2014, 01:48 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Do you want to know why you feel that way?
I have just consciously noticed this, so I'm still mulling it over. However, I'm open to other's viewpoints on this (ironically), so go ahead if youre offering.
(01-28-2014, 08:01 AM)Rake Wrote: Accept their viewpoint as it is based on thier own experiences. It may not resonate but it may still be a valid opinion from there perspective/ experience. It could highlight an idea that perhaps you need to look at again. The guilt is interesting, I would really think about the reason for it? Is it guilt you dont offer your own opinion? .
No... I still feel guilty if I offer my opinion; in fact, sometimes more so.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - xise - 01-28-2014
I think guilt might simply be the feeling that you did or thought something unacceptable.
Of course, total acceptance of the self is important for orange, and total acceptance of the present and others is important for green....
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Unbound - 01-28-2014
(01-28-2014, 02:43 PM)Parsons Wrote:(01-28-2014, 01:48 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Do you want to know why you feel that way?
I have just consciously noticed this, so I'm still mulling it over. However, I'm open to other's viewpoints on this (ironically), so go ahead if youre offering.
(01-28-2014, 08:01 AM)Rake Wrote: Accept their viewpoint as it is based on thier own experiences. It may not resonate but it may still be a valid opinion from there perspective/ experience. It could highlight an idea that perhaps you need to look at again. The guilt is interesting, I would really think about the reason for it? Is it guilt you dont offer your own opinion? .
No... I still feel guilty if I offer my opinion; in fact, sometimes more so.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. Each entity must, in order to completely unblock yellow ray, love all which are in relationship to it, with hope only of the other-selves’ joy, peace, and comfort.
Could it be that you feel guilty because you may perceive your difference as a lack of acceptance for the other, which you perhaps translate as unloving?
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - AnthroHeart - 01-28-2014
I find it hard to accept others totally. This is the good and the bad of people. I've never had a gun held to my head, so I can't say how I'd find love in that moment.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Parsons - 01-28-2014
(01-28-2014, 05:01 PM)Tanner Wrote: Could it be that you feel guilty because you may perceive your difference as a lack of acceptance for the other, which you perhaps translate as unloving?
Very compelling food for thought, that may be it... I will contemplate that. Thank you brother.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - AnthroHeart - 01-28-2014
I'd want someone to help me discover why I don't feel very loving towards others. And why I don't feel compelled to serve.
Funny, it's not all the time that I feel this way.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Unbound - 01-28-2014
Sometimes it is more comfortable to be at a distance from others, and especially when we perceive helping others to be a responsibility rather than an intention. I find that often we delve in to habitual patterns of feeling whereby we will get used to a certain state and the more we dwell in it the more comfortable it will become and the less enticing the idea of breaking that comfort will be.
I think maybe for lots of people serving others equals work and effort, and this effort is usually preferred to be spent in other ways if the idea of serving others seems to be too much of a burden.
For me, I stopped 'trying' to help others and instead sought to find the ways my own natural flow can also be used to assist others. It is hard though because sometimes the desire to serve is greater than the perceived desire to receive service from the other and I think that may also create some guilt for individuals who actually do desire to serve, but don't always see that there are opportunities to do so.
(01-28-2014, 09:27 AM)greywolf Wrote: I believe adept is inherently yellow ray, if one is drawn to that line then integrity and self-sufficiency (like another poster pointed out) are paramount. You seem to be aware of deficiency in this area yourself, but still ask questions and/or approval from others. You seem to have concluded your original intent was wrong and the world was right, and maybe developed some issues that way. There is no infringement of free will if the assistance is given in response to a request, only if there is paternalism and holier-than-thou attitudes.
This is a great post and I think actually brings some light to this discussion on guilt and intention. Perhaps it is that when we do not agree with someone else or have a desire to share our own opinion we take this as a questioning of our own intentions and we challenge ourselves with whether or not we actually do have good intentions. I think this can be a deep trap for many spiritually oriented individuals because there are all sorts of memes that try to say this or that action is the 'most positive' and so when we perceive ourselves to be doing other than these habitually learned meme patterns we attack ourselves as being out of line with our "highest intention".
Pro-tip: It is okay to be confused, and make mistakes, and to not always be positive. In most cases honesty will reveal that this is part of the natural process for many people. We perhaps shouldnt be so concerned with "flawless living" which I know, for myself as a perfectionist, is difficult aha
Quote:The key to balance may then be seen in the unstudied, spontaneous, and honest response of entities toward experiences, thus using experience to the utmost, then applying the balancing exercises and achieving the proper attitude for the most purified spectrum of energy center manifestation in violet ray. This is why the brilliance or rotational speed of the energy centers is not considered above the balanced aspect or violet-ray manifestation of an entity in regarding harvestability; for those entities which are unbalanced, especially as to the primary rays, will not be capable of sustaining the impact of the love and light of intelligent infinity to the extent necessary for harvest.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - AnthroHeart - 01-28-2014
That's a good point that serving others can be seen as work and effort, and that it could be spent in other ways. Sometimes the prize gained might not be worth the effort. Big effort put forth for such little gained. How much are we to serve?
Fascinating about natural flow being able to assist others. So I don't have to go out of my way to try to serve if I deem it to be a futile exercise. Stretch myself to the limits in other words.
I don't usually think about receiving service from another. I am a pretty independent person.
I don't usually see opportunities to serve, except to cater to the whims of my mother. There are many tasks she wishes me to fulfill.
If it came down to my own graduation, I'd fight tooth and nail to make the cut. But sometimes it's easy in this veil of forgetting to become lazy. There is so much distraction.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Unbound - 01-28-2014
If you have to go out of your way to serve, then I would say the desire to serve is secondary to whatever your actual desire is. I try to unify my desire to serve with my other desires, personally, so that way I am always striving to be of service through whatever way of life I am choosing to live.
Also, remember it is a service to others to receive service from them. If no one ever received service then no one could polarize positively because there would be no other to be of service to.
Forgive me if I am projecting, but it seems as though your desire to be of service is actually perhaps just a means to an end in your mind, that is, the "requirement" for graduation?
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - AnthroHeart - 01-28-2014
I have no difficulty serving at work, but at home it's difficult to serve my mother because of how demanding she can be. I hope actual service vs not servicing is not a requirement for graduation.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - zenmaster - 01-28-2014
(01-28-2014, 02:43 PM)Parsons Wrote:Was not offering, just wondering if the opportunity was being used in a manner that promoted awareness of the reactive condition's cause.(01-28-2014, 01:48 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Do you want to know why you feel that way?
I have just consciously noticed this, so I'm still mulling it over. However, I'm open to other's viewpoints on this (ironically), so go ahead if youre offering.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Unbound - 01-28-2014
(01-28-2014, 10:07 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I have no difficulty serving at work, but at home it's difficult to serve my mother because of how demanding she can be. I hope actual service vs not servicing is not a requirement for graduation.
Service isn't really about just doing things for others or bending over backwards for them, sometimes the greatest service we can do is being honest and saying, "No" when we are not comfortable with something. I am especially bad for this in my life, I have a hard time saying no aha
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - AnthroHeart - 01-28-2014
Good advice there man. But sometimes I feel by repeatedly saying no, I'm just being lazy. For instance my mom wants me to cut the carpet to replace it with tile. We have 1/2 of our living room cut already. I am just too lazy to cut the rest. But I probably could if I just decided to.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Unbound - 01-28-2014
Then the question is, are you saying no to your mom, or to yourself?
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - xise - 01-28-2014
(01-28-2014, 10:14 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Good advice there man. But sometimes I feel by repeatedly saying no, I'm just being lazy. For instance my mom wants me to cut the carpet to replace it with tile. We have 1/2 of our living room cut already. I am just too lazy to cut the rest. But I probably could if I just decided to.
Sounds like you are being pretty judgmental and harsh toward an other self there.
The other self being you, Gemini Wolf.
All is acceptable. Laziness is acceptable. Though you I doubt you are actually being lazy.
Self-judgment and self-condemnation is an unhealthy but workable way to motivate oneself. Another more balanced way is to think about why you desire or want to do it (it being cutting the living room floor). Perhaps you like to do it for exercise. Or perhaps you want to improve your carpentering skills so you can apply those skills to some other hobby. Perhaps you think it'll look awesome on your resume. There are basically an infinite amount of reasons to look forward to doing something. Just find whats works for you.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - AnthroHeart - 01-28-2014
To me the sight of 1/2 carpet doesn't bother me. I'd rather do work and watch tv after. And I drink sometimes, because it relaxes me and I like the buzz.
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - Unbound - 01-28-2014
Did you do the first half of the living room?
RE: If you could only teach me one thing... - AnthroHeart - 01-28-2014
(01-28-2014, 10:23 PM)Tanner Wrote: Did you do the first half of the living room?
Yes. My mom did some of it as well. The rest of it would require moving furniture which I'm not looking forward to.