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RE: Are you polarized - AnthroHeart - 10-25-2013
(10-25-2013, 04:01 PM)Adonai One Wrote:(10-25-2013, 03:59 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we begin to accept more things, and work towards accepting all that we are able to, will this cut short our incarnation, because we have learned the lessons we needed to learn. What if we wish for our incarnation to be shorter rather than say 90 years, is acceptance of everything a good way to do that? Will we depart once we learn all our lessons?
It doesn't work like that, Gemini. Our incarnations parameters are set by many factors that may or may not include such a paradigm.
Basically, mostly no. There's a chance it may work like that for some entities.
So acceptance is mainly used to build positive polarity? Nothing more?
RE: Are you polarized - xise - 10-25-2013
Acceptance is required in order to begin to understand infinity.
RE: Are you polarized - AnthroHeart - 10-25-2013
Is acceptance about faith? If we accept the Ra material as true, is that the acceptance we are talking about? Because faith means we don't have to hope.
Or acceptance in terms of allowing?
RE: Are you polarized - Unbound - 10-25-2013
(10-25-2013, 03:51 PM)Adonai One Wrote: What else is polarity? Just feel-good morality? Just hand-outs?
You can only polarize negatively by successfully subverting the will of others/things and putting it under your reign, with some exceptions. Inversely, positive polarity is attained by uniting with the will of others. One becomes one with all by embracing the will of all.
The lack of free will is only defined by more and more unity with all. To the last question, there is no difference.
(10-25-2013, 03:43 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So the higher self accepts all? Or is it the Totality that accepts all?
Accepts things as far as resistances in regards to wishing to guide, if you consider the higher self a true entity. True total acceptance of all entails dissolution into all things.
What you are saying only applies to polarity in this octave though, the next octave and previous octave don't pertain to the use of will in terms of service.
Also, what do you define as "dissolution into the all", like, how do you imagine that taking place on a consciouss-energy level? It is something I have seen said by lots of people, but so far no one really seems to be able to explain the purpose or function of such apparent dissolution. What is the point of a conscious entity going through an enourmous, expansive journey of self, just to be completely erased?
My point being that I don't believe the self is ever lost, every personality is retained, but the amalgamation of those personalities creates a composite which is merely incomprehensible to most humans. Dissolution isn't destruction, it is permeation. At least, that is how I see it.
RE: Are you polarized - xise - 10-25-2013
(10-25-2013, 09:17 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Is acceptance about faith? If we accept the Ra material as true, is that the acceptance we are talking about? Because faith means we don't have to hope.
Or acceptance in terms of allowing?
Acceptance is about experience. You accept experiences. Experiences only occur in the present.
RE: Are you polarized - Parsons - 10-25-2013
Very helpful/interesting thread so far.
(10-25-2013, 03:59 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we begin to accept more things, and work towards accepting all that we are able to, will this cut short our incarnation, because we have learned the lessons we needed to learn. What if we wish for our incarnation to be shorter rather than say 90 years, is acceptance of everything a good way to do that? Will we depart once we learn all our lessons?
This question reoccurringly comes up in my mind, so I know I haven't sufficiently answered it for myself. Thank you for posing it.
I would tentatively say "yes", you can leave once the lessons are learned. That being said, I think it is much more challenging to achieve than most people realize. It clearly doesn't happen just after you make the Choice. Can anyone expand on this or have an entirely different opinion?
RE: Are you polarized - anagogy - 10-25-2013
(10-25-2013, 12:57 PM)We are God Wrote: I personally don't think unity is 50/50 positive/negative. I think it's positive. Remember, 6th density is the unity density, and it is within this density that only positive remains. In this state, all is seen as self, thus it is a positive polarization.
Love of self is not negative. Negative is simply when other-self is denied.
Does this make sense?
Of course, when there is only one polarity there is no longer any polarity, but I still don't think it fits into the 50/50 idea because that assumes duality whereas there is none.
Positive polarity accepts. Negative polarity controls.
It is interesting to consider that these are fundamentally opposite modes of action. Why would one have a need to control anything, unless, they have deemed it "unacceptable" in some fashion in its current state of affairs?
So we can see that control, in context, actually amounts to a kind of "rejection" of something, whatever that something may be, at a fundamental level.
So, what I'm getting at is that I agree with you, WAG. In unity, there is no rejection of anything so it is fundamentally positive in nature.
Rejection is the negative polarity, it is only possible in distortion. True acceptance is only possible in the context of illusion being let go of.
(10-25-2013, 03:59 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: If we begin to accept more things, and work towards accepting all that we are able to, will this cut short our incarnation, because we have learned the lessons we needed to learn. What if we wish for our incarnation to be shorter rather than say 90 years, is acceptance of everything a good way to do that? Will we depart once we learn all our lessons?
Yes. When your lessons are learned, or whatever reason for your incarnation is fulfilled, you will depart the illusion. The invisible guidelines, maintained by the Higher Self, that shape the events of your incarnation will form those conditions necessary for your physical body to cease viability.
Having said that, if you become conscious enough, you may program the catalyst of your incarnation from the incarnate standpoint. This would be akin to getting good at "creating your own reality" or conscious manifestation. This does not negate your programmed "curriculum" for this incarnation, however. You will still be faced with the lessons you came here to learn.
Ra has stated that those who penetrate the gateway to intelligent infinity may choose the manner of the leaving of this density. They can harvest themselves at any point they choose. But they also state that, "it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong."
RE: Are you polarized - Adonai One - 10-26-2013
(10-25-2013, 09:21 PM)Tanner Wrote:So you believe in an anthromorphic god that sits at the end of this?(10-25-2013, 03:51 PM)Adonai One Wrote: What else is polarity? Just feel-good morality? Just hand-outs?
You can only polarize negatively by successfully subverting the will of others/things and putting it under your reign, with some exceptions. Inversely, positive polarity is attained by uniting with the will of others. One becomes one with all by embracing the will of all.
The lack of free will is only defined by more and more unity with all. To the last question, there is no difference.
(10-25-2013, 03:43 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: So the higher self accepts all? Or is it the Totality that accepts all?
Accepts things as far as resistances in regards to wishing to guide, if you consider the higher self a true entity. True total acceptance of all entails dissolution into all things.
What you are saying only applies to polarity in this octave though, the next octave and previous octave don't pertain to the use of will in terms of service.
Also, what do you define as "dissolution into the all", like, how do you imagine that taking place on a consciouss-energy level? It is something I have seen said by lots of people, but so far no one really seems to be able to explain the purpose or function of such apparent dissolution. What is the point of a conscious entity going through an enourmous, expansive journey of self, just to be completely erased?
My point being that I don't believe the self is ever lost, every personality is retained, but the amalgamation of those personalities creates a composite which is merely incomprehensible to most humans. Dissolution isn't destruction, it is permeation. At least, that is how I see it.
As far as I'm concerned, intelligence came from a simple "I am" presence. It will return to such again. It's not a waste. It's just when a story has been told, a new one entirely begins. What remains is a memory.
Everything comes to an end, that's just the nature of things. The purpose is that clinging to the same spiritual personality is fruitless once all desires have been fulfilled.
RE: Are you polarized - Unbound - 10-26-2013
I do not believe in an end, I believe in cycles. I don't disagree with what you say, but it still doesn't explain anything. How does presence have or gain intelligence?
Also, no, I do not believe "God" is anthropomorphic except when perceived as such from the self that is the Creator or God, that is, I believe we, as God, are capable of interacting with ourselves as God through anthropomorphized forms, but that is a lens of perception and not the complete nature, although in all things is contained completion.
My point is that memory is made through experience and all identity is made of memory. So at what point does memory become identity and where are the ends of identity? I can identify myself as infinity but I then, by default, am then identifying myself with nothing. Identity only has substantial experience in finite modes of experience.
All of this is to say that there is a point to polarity besides the avoidance of it. It is pointless to identify myself with unity because unity already IS, it isn't anything I am adding to myself or my experience, it is just what is already there. Unity is not something that defines identification, it is the spectrum within unity that allows identity to exist. If unity consisted entirely of sameness, then there would be nothing beyond identity, but the fact is that beyond identity there is awareness and presence.
What is the purpose of unity if anything can simply be anything? What is the use of a zero-sum game? If it is entirely about the experience of consciousness, then why does consciousness go through experience? I am not necessarily asking for these things to be answered, but they are things that come to my mind.
I have no desire to desire, but even that is a desire. The Yogis talk of "moksha" which means liberation and desire-lessness is considered to be liberation, however what is the nature of experience without desire or the dominance of an individually perceived will? What experience does the Creator seek?
If it seeks itself, then how does it not already know itself? This is like the way we use the brain to study the brain. Or the mind to study the mind. Why doesn't the brain already know everything about itself? Or if it does know itself, what is the relevance of our experience?
What I am trying to get at is that there is still a mystery that lies behind the "motives" of the Creator. If we are the Creator, then we also contain that mystery. We seek here to "experience all desires", but are we not really just seeking to explore the mystery of experience? Is not desire simply a vehicle for experience, a propulsion system? If so, then what is, ultimately, the use of individuated experience?
RE: Are you polarized - Adonai One - 10-26-2013
I currently believe experience exists for itself and that each octave evolves upon its forefathers to create more novel experiences.
RE: Are you polarized - AnthroHeart - 10-26-2013
It must be really easy in 6D to experience all things desired. I don't see how that's possible in 3D. So I don't think the purpose of 3D is to experience all things desired. That's an Octave long thing.
RE: Are you polarized - Unbound - 10-26-2013
(10-26-2013, 05:18 AM)Adonai One Wrote: I currently believe experience exists for itself and that each octave evolves upon its forefathers to create more novel experiences.
So how can something as abstract as experience be "for itself", especially when experience is an augmentation to awareness and presence? There is no experience in the One because there is nothing that is not already existent. Experience is a vehicle used by consciousness to exist as finite values, but without those finite values then infinity is insubstantial.
My point is, what is the use of experience to itself? What is this predicated by? Also, what do you mean by "novel"?
(10-26-2013, 11:59 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: It must be really easy in 6D to experience all things desired. I don't see how that's possible in 3D. So I don't think the purpose of 3D is to experience all things desired. That's an Octave long thing.
I was referring to this quote:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.