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RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Adonai One - 10-15-2013
(10-15-2013, 03:56 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Are you one of the "extremely rare" third-density entities capable of magical defense in a trance state?I know such principles. I am willing to take risk. The potential price of losing one physical shell out of many for the working I wish to take on is worth it to me.
With the said, I've deduced such to be highly unlikely.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Unbound - 10-15-2013
It also appears to me that you are building a pedestal upon which to place your workings.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Adonai One - 10-15-2013
(10-15-2013, 04:12 PM)Tanner Wrote: It also appears to me that you are building a pedestal upon which to place your workings.
I can't say I understand what you mean.
The materials I release will be released under the public domain and will be available freely. Just not on this website for various reasons.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Unbound - 10-15-2013
So you trust the public but not this group of individuals? That seems to be a strange bias, to me.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - βαθμιαίος - 10-15-2013
(10-15-2013, 04:11 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The potential price of losing one physical shell out of many for the working I wish to take on is worth it to me.
That's not anywhere near the biggest risk.
Quote:68.6 Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?
Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is on-going, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Adonai One - 10-15-2013
(10-15-2013, 04:15 PM)Tanner Wrote: So you trust the public but not this group of individuals? That seems to be a strange bias, to me.
It's not about trust. It's about avoiding potential personal conflict.
The mass of the public will have access. Invariably, most of the forum will find about my material in one way or another.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Unbound - 10-15-2013
Also, you are "hyping" right now with all of your ominous suggesting yet hiding behind secrecy as though this working is of such a nature that it cannot be revealed with trust. That, to me, is a pedestal to the workings, the mystery being used to hold up the importance of the work.
If the work is so important, and of such positive intent towards everyone, why will you not share it with those who are genuinely interested and concerned?
You say you are doing this "for the masses", but honestly that just seems like an alibi for yourself. It seems that way because of the mistrust with which you treat "the masses", of which the members of this forum are a part.
Also, are you not prepared to have your works challenged? You want to avoid personal conflict, but is that because you are at personal odds with members of this forum? Will that colour and bias your work, that avoidance?
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Adonai One - 10-15-2013
(10-15-2013, 04:17 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(10-15-2013, 04:11 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The potential price of losing one physical shell out of many for the working I wish to take on is worth it to me.
That's not anywhere near the biggest risk.
Quote:68.6 Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?
Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is on-going, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well.
It's not an option nor a possibility for me. I know how this game works and it requires a degree of deception to fall into such a trap.
If I fall into such a trap, unity and peace is inevitable regardless.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Unbound - 10-15-2013
Also, I say you are mistrusting because you do not trust others to not create conflict with you.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - AnthroHeart - 10-15-2013
(10-15-2013, 04:17 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(10-15-2013, 04:11 PM)Adonai One Wrote: The potential price of losing one physical shell out of many for the working I wish to take on is worth it to me.
That's not anywhere near the biggest risk.
Quote:68.6 Questioner: Could you tell me what the plan of the fifth-density negatively oriented entity was and how it would have accomplished it and what the results would have been if it had worked?
Ra: I am Ra. The plan, which is on-going, was to take the mind/body/spirit complex while it was separated from its yellow body physical complex shell, to then place this mind/body/spirit complex within the negative portions of your time/space. The shell would then become that of the unknowing, unconscious entity and could be, shall we say, worked upon to cause malfunction which would end in coma and then in what you call the death of the body. At this point the higher self of the instrument would have the choice of leaving the mind/body/spirit complex in negative sp— we correct— time/space or of allowing incarnation in space/time of equivalent vibration and polarity distortions. Thus this entity would become a negatively polarized entity without the advantage of native negative polarization. It would find a long path to the Creator under these circumstances although the path would inevitably end well.
Worst case scenario. Millions of years in 4D- without having hardly any polarity to do work. I once had a fear that this would happen to me. That's why I don't give up my soul to Ra, though I have done meditations with them in the sun. I'm still not in a trance. It makes me back off of wanting to do anything magical.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Unbound - 10-15-2013
I just want to add that I am not trying to deter you or to stand against your working, I am simply asking those questions which I feel are pertinent to ask because I care and am curious about the working. I would be asking these same things to anyone.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Adonai One - 10-15-2013
(10-15-2013, 04:22 PM)Tanner Wrote: Also, you are "hyping" right now with all of your ominous suggesting yet hiding behind secrecy as though this working is of such a nature that it cannot be revealed with trust. That, to me, is a pedestal to the workings, the mystery being used to hold up the importance of the work.Well, Tanner it seems you couldn't take the hint.
If the work is so important, and of such positive intent towards everyone, why will you not share it with those who are genuinely interested and concerned?
You say you are doing this "for the masses", but honestly that just seems like an alibi for yourself. It seems that way because of the mistrust with which you treat "the masses", of which the members of this forum are a part.
Also, are you not prepared to have your works challenged? You want to avoid personal conflict, but is that because you are at personal odds with members of this forum? Will that colour and bias your work, that avoidance?
I'm channeling Ra and Ra only. I don't want to be seen as a competitor. I just wanted to make it generally known that new material was going to be out there. That was the goal of this thread. Heh.
People here are going to have problems with me trying to channel Ra for whatever reason, as if it's a sacred thing to pursue, especially the admins of L/L Research.
I've spoken with the social memory complex in my own way, I believe they are my family and they have assured me through all of my endless challenging that I am in no danger and that my magical ability is sufficient.
If I am delusional or being deceived and if there is somebody that holds themselves as a better source, please inform me. Please save me from my own fruitless pursuit, if it is such.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - AnthroHeart - 10-15-2013
Are you channeling the same individualized portion of the Ra complex as did Carla?
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Unbound - 10-15-2013
See? Now that wasn't so hard aha
May I ask, do you think there will be discrepencies between your channeling and the L/L channelings, and if so, how do you account for that?
I will share with you that I have contemplated channeling Ra myself, although my intention was to do so in allyship with L/L Research, using the techniques given by Ra, rather than in spite of them, but I have not yet determined a sufficient reason to do so.
I do not think there is anything wrong with your endeavour. What I am most curious about and interested in is the ripple effects and influences/interactions which will arise from such an endeavour.
I apologize if I am a stark mirror, I do not intend to be so, I really am trying to help by playing the "devils advocate". A good way to gauge ones own intention is to examine the self in reaction to opposition.
To be honest, I do intend to do a full trance channeling at some point myself, once it becomes fully clear the purpose for such.
Frankly, I think this is an intense catalyst for many who are connected to the Ra material and that will result in both positive and negative use of the catalyst.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Adonai One - 10-15-2013
I encourage you to look at any techniques "given" by Ra. Ra gave no techniques. If anything he encouraged principles through the type of techniques they were predisposed to. Ra conforms to biases to enable the freewill of the learner.
Carla and Don had a thing for white-magic before the contact.
(10-15-2013, 04:44 PM)Tanner Wrote: May I ask, do you think there will be discrepencies between your channeling and the L/L channelings, and if so, how do you account for that?
I'll deduce the source of such discrepancy and work from there. If it's clear I'm channeling something totally different, I'll probably throw the whole project out and become completely agnostic indefinitely. My faith would probably be gone indefinitely.
I am not attached to any outcome. I'm only doing what I perceive as being called to do with a blindfold on. I am not even convinced entirely of this phenomenon but I believe in it enough to pursue.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Unbound - 10-15-2013
So, are you doing this to an extent to prove/evidence the objective reality of Ra, even if just to yourself?
I apologize if I seem to be scrutinizing, that is not my intention, I am more attempting to be a whetstone you may sharpen yourself upon. I am no master or adept, there is still much I do not know and have not experienced, but I feel a kinship in our seeking and I challenge you only that you may be absolutely certain of the path you are choosing to take.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - AnthroHeart - 10-15-2013
Now I'm happy for you. Don't be too discouraged if something doesn't happen right away.
I'll be curious to know if they say "I am Ra" before every topic.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - xise - 10-15-2013
(10-15-2013, 04:50 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I'll deduce the source of such discrepancy and work from there. If it's clear I'm channeling something totally different, I'll probably throw the whole project out and become completely agnostic indefinitely. My faith would probably be gone indefinitely.
How is your faith related to this endeavor? It's not that I don't doubt that it is, I wish to understand in what way it is related to your channeling.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Adonai One - 10-15-2013
(10-15-2013, 05:06 PM)Tanner Wrote: So, are you doing this to an extent to prove/evidence the objective reality of Ra, even if just to yourself?
I apologize if I seem to be scrutinizing, that is not my intention, I am more attempting to be a whetstone you may sharpen yourself upon. I am no master or adept, there is still much I do not know and have not experienced, but I feel a kinship in our seeking and I challenge you only that you may be absolutely certain of the path you are choosing to take.
I intended to do that through astral travel. I am still trying to do such. The fact is I am pretty sure Ra exists. I attribute the UFO phenomenon I saw to the Confederation and to Ra.
I am just simply open to the possibility of this all being imaginary. I am agnostic.
(10-15-2013, 05:08 PM)xise Wrote:(10-15-2013, 04:50 PM)Adonai One Wrote: I'll deduce the source of such discrepancy and work from there. If it's clear I'm channeling something totally different, I'll probably throw the whole project out and become completely agnostic indefinitely. My faith would probably be gone indefinitely.
How is your faith related to this endeavor? It's not that I don't doubt that it is, I wish to understand in what way it is related to your channeling.
Faith is not a huge factor here beyond it enabling the contact. My main motive is the desire for more wisdom.
I believe and disbelieve. I have gotten over most of my hunger for proof although it would be nice.
In other words, Tanner, I am not attached to the idea of contact proving things for me. Although it would be nice.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Bring4th_Austin - 10-15-2013
In my opinion, if the primary motive is for more wisdom, perhaps it would be more effective to set your intention to channel the highest, best, and most compatible energy for your own situation and vibration. If that happens to be Ra, and Ra is willing to play that role, then it will be so. If there happens to be a better source, or if Ra is not willing to play that role, then you will still achieve your goal of bringing in more wisdom.
Just my two cents.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Unbound - 10-15-2013
So what is not imaginary, exactly? Aha
You may not realize it, but I am trying to help you to shed any doubts you may have. If there is one thing I know it is that doubt, fear and uncertainty all distorts and dilutes magic and intention. The greatest challenge in this kind of working isn't really danger from negative entities so much as distraction, doubt, uncertainty, mistrust and ultimately the opposition from other self. Do you think everyone around Jim, Carla and Don accepted and believed in their endeavour? Likely not. What was the one true goal of the negative entity that greeted them? To cease the contact.
If you discover discrepencies, do not simply give up, because the fact of the matter is that it is a process, and not a perfect one, so there will be mistakes, confusions and distortions. These should not be treated as a flaw in the channeling, but rather as part of the tuning and balancing process that goes along with the channeling experience. Yes, sometimes your tuning may be off and you may get things other than Ra, or distorted messages, but this should teach you about your own nature as a channel, rather than deter you from continuing to seek the truth.
If you want my opinion, one of the advantages that L/L had was that they channeled multiple entities before they channeled Ra, they learned what a genuine contact is like and how to notice consistency in a contact. I would, personally, and you may already have, spend some time just getting the tuning process solid and consistent before actually getting in to the heavy questioning.
Basically what I am saying is build your trust and faith in yourself through practice before you get in to the "real deal", as I am sure you are well aware and have been doing already. There is no time limit, you have all the time you need to hone yourself, do not rush, stay calm, cool and collected and keep your intentions clear.
It appears to be somewhat easy to trigger you, and of all things within yourself that is what I would be especially attentive to.
I would add that the one thing that protected the three channeling Ra before was their dedication to loving, to being honest and being of service.
They loved even those that doubted them, and eachother, without taking on those doubts themselves. They strived for the highest honesty with Ra and with eachother, and every working was dedicated to being of service to other self. As Ra said, there is no magic greater than the honest distortion towards love.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Brittany - 10-15-2013
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RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - AnthroHeart - 10-15-2013
I'm thinking that all that time that I thought I was working with Ra, I was instead working with a negative being, posing as Ra. That would be the last 3 years of contacts I have had. They have been nothing but fear based, and I was defiant towards others. Thought people were against me. I heard things and saw "Proof", which was another negative feature. When I asked Ra to kill me, I had an experience almost right away of being in the sun. I don't know if that was negative being or not.
But I have not been focused on service to others. I have not loved others like I should. That's why my schizophrenic experiences have landed me in jail, twice. And in a mental hospital three times. It started 3 years ago when I first came across the Ra material and wanted to work with Ra. The episode of building a galaxy and a Universe could also have been negative. I have been very naive in my seeking. Easy it was to fool me.
I'm not saying you'll have the same experience. But I ran into these problems where I couldn't tell reality from illusion, simply from focusing on Ra and seeking them. That was why I imagine they told m to stop seeking them. I'm glad I didn't turn my soul over to them.
I still adore Ra very much, it's just that I've been easily taken advantage of.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Unbound - 10-15-2013
I want to add that I am in no way attempting to discount the fact that it is a risky endeavour, it is indeed so, however I feel that it is not fair to you to project doubt on to you. I am concerned, I cannot deny that, but I also know that you have free will and you will make your own choices regarding the path of experience of your own life regardless of the words of anyone or anything, although they may influence you at your choosing. This means you may or may not choose to ultimately pursue this exact path, and I do not know, I cannot predict your free will. With that in mind, I am choosing to address the possibility that you do pursue it by giving all I feel, from my own experience, will assist you to avoid the possible pitfalls on such a path insofar as I am aware of.
I suggest the utmost discernment, caution and attentiveness, and a connection to the power of love and light which comprise some of the pure elements of unity. Try to stay well grounded in the reality of your life and keep context in mind when considering the meaning and purpose of the ideas you are percieving. The mind has endless rabbit holes and the traveller that moves unawares will quickly become lost in its possibilities.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Fastidious Emanations - 10-16-2013
Adonai, If I plan to go out east, or if you plan to come out west, I'd be glad to help create a chaotic, completely faith/will-powered spontaneous magical catalyst for what cause the Infinite Being may have in design, if that be in the works lol.
And what's so scary about becoming incarnate negatively polarized? I mean what flavour will that add to the experience? If the Universe wants that of It's self then it will come to know such... then so be it.
Even I believe it is possible to imagine what it is like to be a fully negative being, without acting upon such ideas, in order to familiarise/polarise positively, as the true positive path involves becoming that which seeks All..?
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Hototo - 10-16-2013
After some of my recent trance channelings, I feel that it is more important than ever to stress the need for silence, calm and appreciation for the moment itself.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - xise - 10-16-2013
Don't let this trance channeling become your version of Oscar Wilde's trial.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Aloysius - 10-17-2013
Quote:I'm channeling Ra and Ra only. I don't want to be seen as a competitor. I just wanted to make it generally known that new material was going to be out there. That was the goal of this thread. Heh.
People here are going to have problems with me trying to channel Ra for whatever reason, as if it's a sacred thing to pursue, especially the admins of L/L Research.
There is new material out there, heaps of it, even some available on this site. As for the “sacred” comment lol no, this is not the case and you’ve actually been informed in depth numerous times as to why people are against the idea (such as the issue with L/L Research affiliation of this site, queries as to your intention and deception and other well thought out logical arguments), you do yourself and others no favours by holding this notion. The “narrow band vibration” Ra talk about isn’t just because Ra is 6th density, they picked Carla specifically for the endeavour.
Quote:I'll deduce the source of such discrepancy and work from there. If it's clear I'm channeling something totally different, I'll probably throw the whole project out and become completely agnostic indefinitely. My faith would probably be gone indefinitely.
I am not attached to any outcome. I'm only doing what I perceive as being called to do with a blindfold on. I am not even convinced entirely of this phenomenon but I believe in it enough to pursue.
If you want to be better equipped to figuring out what is “imaginary” and “real” I would suggest studying other fields of inquiry rather than to channel spirits, lol. It seems like you’re very susceptible to whatever satisfies your biases, this is what worries me. You are frustrated you can’t convert your seemingly tacit knowledge to an explicit output and seek to do that through channelling Ra which will satisfy all your personal queries? You do realize you are putting you and your fiancee's lives at risk for such a petty reason?
Seeking Ra personally in an effort to gain more knowledge from them is probably not the best idea if the original material is not entirely understood (build from a firm foundation and all that).
Quote:The fact is I am pretty sure Ra exists. I attribute the UFO phenomenon I saw to the Confederation and to Ra.
I am just simply open to the possibility of this all being imaginary. I am agnostic.
Agnostic in what sense? In the sense of not knowing if Ra is legit? Or in the sense of accepting that you don’t know of the nature of the things which are above you?
The medium is the message my friend. If you ignore the process which forms the content then you will never understand the true nature of the content.
The Ra material is heavily influenced by Don’s worldview, your channelling will be heavily influenced by you and Vervex’s biases and unconscious expectations, and thus be of a different nature. If you get something that is actually really close to the way the Ra material is conveyed, I would say that would be more likely actually to be a negative greeting satisfying your expectations and then feeding you subtle misinfo (which you intend to spread far and wide no less hehe).
The Ra material isn’t just Ra, it’s Ra/Don/Carla/Jim, I don’t know why you can’t accept this. Your "Ra" will (should) be different. The Ra material is not an ultimate beacon of truth. It is an experience that happened to people and was processed through human minds. I give the material credence for many reasons but it is not perfect and was not intended to be (which is why it’s been so perfect for people lol).
So it has to be Ra? You say you want to be convinced of their existence and by extension message I guess? If that’s the case then why have you been trying to spread the material on the internet (through deceptive means) if you don’t even believe it? Lol
Why have you been pontificating your own interpretation of the material and archetypes as the best and telling people to drop all the beliefs they had and accept your interpretations as undeniable truth if you don’t hold stock in the material you’ve been basing it all off?
Why, Why!? Lol
Quote:To put the mass of the public on equal grounds with the powers that be in terms of metaphysical information.
For too long has humanity been in darkness.
This speaks for itself, along with that you wish to be personally credited for the action. I believe Ra (this dude you all seem to like so much) said with "sleepers" what they would do is to provide that which gives comfort for sleep, rather than rouse them unasked.
Look, odds are you’re either going to get quite mediocre material or one of you is going to suffer extreme loss for the price of quality output (or suffer the loss and get trash material anyway). It's not like you two aren't capable of producing quality material but the fact that it has to be Ra for you and that you don't seem quite aware of the dangers is what worries me.
Do what you will.
Edit: I'm sorry if this came across as super harsh man. I've done something similar (and for similar motivations) in my past and I don't think the scars are gonna heal while I'm in this incarnation, I just don't want to see you guys get hurt when you don't need to.
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Hototo - 10-17-2013
When I first started reading Channelings / Carla / L&L material I heard a distinct thought appear that said "you are being deceived, there is another way to channel, re-read the material" but never conveyed it forward at that moment due to the desire of the participants. BTW a synchronous great tit (the green bird, not the pair of great birds) just flew on my windowsill and looked at me.
Anyway, long story short, my equivelant of what you are doing is jumping from an airplane with a crash chute onto the top of the Everest with the intention of snowboarding the entire way down while at the same time attached to the parachute. Now I'm not saying that its impossible, or that it by default should not be attempted, but may I suggest a local hill, no parachute and a gentle practice first? If not, then can I at least film this while I eat popcorn, the high probability of a satisfying thump / splash sound and the resultant front page in one of the popular video/image macros on this internet makes this a worthwhile quest. Jackass wasn't filmed in a day, Time/space equivelant of it certainly not.
But that being said, I'm still going to change my name, may not be as glorious as what you're doing but I'm sure it will have some, minor, effects somewhere *looks around*...
RE: So I will be taking on complete trance channeling... - Parsons - 10-17-2013
Look, I agree with most of what has been said here of why this is a bad idea in it's present form, but it seems like the arguments are becoming less reasonable.
The biggest discrepancy I've noticed is the notion that ONLY Carla, Jim and Don could channel Ra. The idea of that is pretty ridiculous. The criteria for that contact is very narrow, I agree, but it is not impossible as some have implied. Since we have such a vivid description of the circumstances and preparations that led up to that contact, it is possible to reproduce the contact. That would require at a minimum (IMO) years of 4th/5th density confederation contact, fine tuning, and dedication to the group. On top of that, there would need to be at least one (possibly two) Ra wanderer(s) in the group. That criteria is pretty narrow and would take a great deal of work, but certainly is possible.
Perhaps it's possible to achieve contact with Ra with less stringent criteria, but in order to narrow those criteria down, contact with Ra would have to be reestablished and questions asked about reestablishing contact in the future, but at first under the same stringent criteria of the original contact.
I will go so far as to say that perhaps you could fulfill the role of questioner, but you have a long way to come to get to a level where (relatively) safe contact could be established. To use a cliché (but apt) analogy, you must learn to walk before you can sprint the 100 yard dash.