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RE: Book IV Study Group - otherself-jesse - 04-23-2010
(01-16-2009, 09:30 PM)Richard Wrote: I can't contribute now...but later after I finish all the books. In the middle of # 2 right now. But one of the things that stands out in all of this material...for me anyway...is Don Elkins...my god, what an intellect. I would have liked to meet that gentleman and just... talk to him.
As it is, I have his words.
Richard
I concur. Often, I stop in my reading to offer a moment of appreciation for a man who knew HOW and WHAT to ask.
RE: Book IV Study Group - βαθμιαίος - 04-23-2010
(01-16-2009, 09:30 PM)Richard Wrote: Don Elkins...my god, what an intellect. I would have liked to meet that gentleman and just... talk to him.
(04-23-2010, 04:08 PM)otherself-jesse Wrote: I concur. Often, I stop in my reading to offer a moment of appreciation for a man who knew HOW and WHAT to ask.
L/L Research used to sell a tape of a lecture Don gave after session 47 of the Ra contact. I'm not sure if it's still available, but it's great fun to listen to because you can hear Don's mind at work. Here's the link: http://www.llresearch.org/publications/pub_significance.aspx
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 06-23-2010
this thread is back from the dead.
most important thing to remember here before everything i think is, that this archetypical mind of the logos is specific to this logos (the creative node that manifests physically as sun), and it is not necessarily the archetypical mind of other logoi. though if i remember right Ra had said that the basic structure more or less is the same.
RE: Book IV Study Group - Monica - 06-23-2010
(06-23-2010, 03:25 AM)unity100 Wrote: this thread is back from the dead.
most important thing to remember here before everything i think is, that this archetypical mind of the logos is specific to this logos (the creative node that manifests physically as sun), and it is not necessarily the archetypical mind of other logoi. though if i remember right Ra had said that the basic structure more or less is the same.
Thanks for reviving the thread, unity! I look forward to discussing this with you and whoever else is interested. I'm going to start from the beginning of Book IV and re-read. I will send a pm to all those who expressed interest in this study group. I will be very busy the next couple of days, though, so probably won't post much on this topic until this weekend.
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 06-23-2010
It doesnt matter. book 4 is not a fast book anyway.
RE: Book IV Study Group - Monica - 06-27-2010
OK I have started re-reading Book IV. Turns out I actually did get thru about half of it before; it was the last half that I tried to read multiple times but never quite got. Still, I'm going to start from the beginning again.
For starters, this jumped out at me immediately:
Session 76
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. This group’s use of the Banishing Ritual of the Lesser
Pentagram has been increasingly efficacious. Its effect is purification,
cleansing, and protection of the place of working.
The efficacy of this ritual is only beginning to be, shall we say, at the lower
limits of the truly magical. In doing the working those aspiring to
adepthood have done the equivalent of beginning the schoolwork, many
grades ahead. For the intelligent student this is not to be discouraged; rather to be encouraged is the homework, the reading, the writing, the arithmetic, as you might metaphorically call the elementary steps towards the study of being. It is the being that informs the working, not the working that informs the being.
In light of the discussion on another thread about the value of learning beyond the 3D choice of STO, this seems to shed some light on that question. Such study seems to be optional, but certainly advantageous to those who choose to pursue it.
RE: Book IV Study Group - Cyclops - 06-27-2010
Monica the bolded part of that excerpt coincides with what I've been getting hints about for a while but only in the past two days have they bounded together to form a small picture of a truth to me.
If I may offer my view of it then it goes something like this: I've often looked at the way things work in my mind and the way I am, I sought to know why it was so. Gradually I began to kind of pierce the outer layers of the way things are for me. I can actually visualize it but it makes no sense to speak of it, it is like I'm looking at an opaque baby blue jolly rancher candy piece with a faint light source on the other side while being incased in a jagged pitch black cloud. This is confusing I know but what this shows me is that I'm looking at the true intentions and essence behind or under the outer and shallow layer.
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OK I have started re-reading Book IV. Turns out I actually did get thru about half of it before; it was the last half that I tried to read multiple times but never quite got. Still, I'm going to start from the beginning again.
For starters, this jumped out at me immediately:
Session 76
[quote]
Ra: I am Ra. This group’s use of the Banishing Ritual of the Lesser
Pentagram has been increasingly efficacious. Its effect is purification,
cleansing, and protection of the place of working.
The efficacy of this ritual is only beginning to be, shall we say, at the lower
limits of the truly magical. In doing the working those aspiring to
adepthood have done the equivalent of beginning the schoolwork, many
grades ahead. For the intelligent student this is not to be discouraged; rather to be encouraged is the homework, the reading, the writing, the arithmetic, as you might metaphorically call the elementary steps towards the study of being. It is the being that informs the working, not the working that informs the being. [/quote]
When trying to connect this I would like to use this with the concept of polarity.
The doing of the working in the excerpt of the aspiring adept is said to be as skipping grades which overall has a weak magical charge if I see the quote correctly. I would see this with connection to adepthood and polarity. The goal of polarity and thus choosing to serve others I feel is the equivalent of skipping grades and that weak magical charge. That picture of small truth I saw which I mentioned showed that polarity by itself to the true adept would be meaningless.
So I would look at this as does the adept serve because he wills to evolve? Or does the adept serve because his polarity is meaningless to him in concept as a false goal. The true goal being that elusive and hidden essence of when an adept truly loves others. Does not pure polarity spring forth from this true sense of being which does not really care for any fruit and thus is truly selfless as that love lets say from the Christ.
Seeking the essence really made me ask myself what my deepest intentions were, I found that polarity, graduation and any other fruit were meaningless and second to that deep inner urge to simply love all that I see and don't see. This to me is living as one truly is as Ra mentioned the adept would try to do, this to me is entering the present moment when future and past is halted and I simply say I don't care about the future or past but care of only if I am true to myself. Am I true to myself now or is there something of the future or past influencing me to be as I am, these questions let me peer deeper.
So going back to the excerpt I would say that I think it is beautiful how Ra had put it that being informs the working not the working informing being. I even see this concept in other library sessions while I write this post. Not only deeply resonating but this also opens up other aspects of the same concept like first grounding yourself as a human before service and not grounding yourself as a wanderer and longing back for higher densities which pulls you away from the present moment, same with knowing that the unmanifest portion is first to everything and is that bare essence from which all manifestations spring. Elementary steps for sure but oh what magical power would there be if the foundations are laid first!
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 06-28-2010
My approach has always been doing things with the force of one's own soul strength, personally. tho, now when i reflect, i can see that there had been times i have paid attention to things which could be in line with such magical looking measures that the contact group employed while contacting with Ra. but then again maybe we can group most of these stuff with various 'sensitivities'. ie, preferring to sit in the room of the house that gives out the most feeling of warmth, change the situation when an unseemly feeling hits etc.
granted, there might actually be a need to use sharper tools in my approach. not too much probably, but, in a balanced fashion.
RE: Book IV Study Group - Monica - 08-04-2010
I find Book IV to be the most challenging. I've tried numerous times to read it from start to finish, but somehow some of the sessions towards the end get skimmed over and not fully absorbed. Anyone else experience this?
So I started this thread, in the hopes that we could study it together. And what happens? I find the same pattern: I try to get it going but it fizzles out.
I would like to personally make a commitment to this thread. I think the study of Book IV is important, because it's not just interesting knowledge about the pyramids, the Cosmos etc. but about the very fabric of our being! What could be more important than understanding our body-mind-spirit complex? And yet, Book IV seems to be the most neglected.
Thus, I hereby commit to reading a little of Book IV, and posting some comment or question, on a regular basis. I cannot promise every day, but I will do my best to keep this thread alive.
Anyone with me?
I'll start with this:
Quote:78.10 Questioner: I realize that we are on very difficult ground, you might say, for precise terminology. It is totally displaced from our system of coordinates for evaluation in our present system of language.
These early Logoi that formed in the center of the galaxy wished, I assume, to create a system of experience for the One Creator. Did they then start with no previous experience or information about how to do this? This is difficult to ask.
Ra: I am Ra. At the beginning of this creation or, as you may call it, octave there were those things known which were the harvest of the preceding octave. About the preceding creation, we know as little as we do of the octave to come. However, we are aware of those pieces of gathered concept which were the tools which the Creator had in the knowing of the self.
These tools were of three kinds. Firstly, there was an awareness of the efficiency for experience of mind, body, and spirit. Secondly, there was an awareness of the most efficacious nature or, if you will, significator of mind, body, and spirit. Thirdly, there was the awareness of two aspects of mind, of body, and of spirit that the significator could use to balance all catalyst. You may call these two the matrix and the potentiator.
Significator, matrix, potentiator. These terms are used throughout Book IV. Anyone want to offer some definitions?
RE: Book IV Study Group - βαθμιαίος - 08-04-2010
(08-04-2010, 10:20 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I find Book IV to be the most challenging. I've tried numerous times to read it from start to finish, but somehow some of the sessions towards the end get skimmed over and not fully absorbed. Anyone else experience this?
Yes, definitely.
(08-04-2010, 10:20 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Significator, matrix, potentiator. These terms are used throughout Book IV. Anyone want to offer some definitions?
I don't know if the terms are ever defined, but this quote has a pretty good explanation, I think, for the matrix and potentiator of mind, body, and spirit:
79.19 Wrote:79.19 Questioner: I would like to try to understand the archetypes of the mind of this Logos prior to the extension of the first distortion. In order to better understand that which we experience now I believe that this is a logical approach.
We have, as you have stated, the matrix, the potentiator, and the significator. I understand the matrix as being that which is what we call the conscious mind, but since it is also that from which the mind is made, I am at a loss to fully understand these three terms especially with respect to the time before there was a division in consciousness. Could you expand even more upon the Matrix of the Mind, the Potentiator of the Mind, and the Significator of the Mind, how they differ, and what their relationships are, please?
Ra: I am Ra. The Matrix of Mind is that from which all comes. It is unmoving yet is the activator in potentiation of all mind activity. The Potentiator of the Mind is that great resource which may be seen as the sea into which the consciousness dips ever deeper and more thoroughly in order to create, ideate, and become more self-conscious.
The Significator of each mind, body, and spirit may be seen as a simple and unified concept. The Matrix of the Body may be seen to be a reflection in opposites of the mind; that is, unrestricted motion. The Potentiator of the Body then is that which, being informed, regulates activity.
The Matrix of the Spirit is difficult to characterize since the nature of spirit is less motile. The energies and movements of the spirit are, by far, the most profound yet, having more close association with time/space, do not have the characteristics of dynamic motion. Thusly one may see the Matrix as the deepest darkness and the Potentiator of Spirit as the most sudden awakening, illuminating, and generative influence.
This is the description of Archetypes One through Nine before the onset of influence of the co-Creator or sub-Logos’ realization of free will.
That's a definition before the veil, but I think it applies after the veil for the matrix and potentiator. Ra says (79.16) that the significators are different before and after the veil.
Ra says (79.36) that the significator of the mind is "that dynamic entity which absorbs, seeks, and attempts to learn," and that (80.17) "the Significator of the Spirit is that living entity which either radiates or absorbs the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator, radiates it to others or absorbs it for the self." I don't believe they gave a definition of the significator of the body after the veil.
78.11 also has a definition of matrix and potentiator of mind, body, and spirit.
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-05-2010
(08-04-2010, 10:20 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I find Book IV to be the most challenging. I've tried numerous times to read it from start to finish, but somehow some of the sessions towards the end get skimmed over and not fully absorbed. Anyone else experience this?
yes.
Quote:I would like to personally make a commitment to this thread. I think the study of Book IV is important, because it's not just interesting knowledge about the pyramids, the Cosmos etc. but about the very fabric of our being! What could be more important than understanding our body-mind-spirit complex? And yet, Book IV seems to be the most neglected.
Thus, I hereby commit to reading a little of Book IV, and posting some comment or question, on a regular basis. I cannot promise every day, but I will do my best to keep this thread alive.
Anyone with me?
yes. this is very important.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. At the beginning of this creation or, as you may call it, octave there were those things known which were the harvest of the preceding octave. About the preceding creation, we know as little as we do of the octave to come. However, we are aware of those pieces of gathered concept which were the tools which the Creator had in the knowing of the self.
it is always to be remembered here, i think, that there was a previous octave, and there is a next octave. things known in this octave were not known in the prior one.
Quote:These tools were of three kinds. Firstly, there was an awareness of the efficiency for experience of mind, body, and spirit. Secondly, there was an awareness of the most efficacious nature or, if you will, significator of mind, body, and spirit. Thirdly, there was the awareness of two aspects of mind, of body, and of spirit that the significator could use to balance all catalyst. You may call these two the matrix and the potentiator.
(08-04-2010, 10:20 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Significator, matrix, potentiator. These terms are used throughout Book IV. Anyone want to offer some definitions?
matrix seems to be the shapegiver, male. potentiator seems to be the female, inspirer, potential giver. significator, i remember to be the mainfesting end result of all of these, the mind/body/spirit complex, ie, the entity in its physical body manifestation. (wherever that is, may be a 2d, 3d, etcetc 7d body).
but then, the definitions below seem to tell otherwise.
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The Matrix of Mind is that from which all comes. It is unmoving yet is the activator in potentiation of all mind activity. The Potentiator of the Mind is that great resource which may be seen as the sea into which the consciousness dips ever deeper and more thoroughly in order to create, ideate, and become more self-conscious.
the potentiator seems more male here. isnt it ?
potentiator here is more active, it does activity.
Quote:The Significator of each mind, body, and spirit may be seen as a simple and unified concept. The Matrix of the Body may be seen to be a reflection in opposites of the mind; that is, unrestricted motion. The Potentiator of the Body then is that which, being informed, regulates activity.
matrix of the body seems to be our manifestation, ie, the body (in whatever plane, space/time or time/space it is, or whichever density) ?
the potentiator sounds like, the brain, or the part of consciousness, the mind that resides in the brain ?
Quote:The Matrix of the Spirit is difficult to characterize since the nature of spirit is less motile. The energies and movements of the spirit are, by far, the most profound yet, having more close association with time/space, do not have the characteristics of dynamic motion. Thusly one may see the Matrix as the deepest darkness and the Potentiator of Spirit as the most sudden awakening, illuminating, and generative influence.
here it sounds like that the matrix is something related to motion though. it kinda fits in the definition of word matrix. ie, it seems like an arranged, shaped situation which can be moved about in.
potentiator of the spirit sounds here more femaleish tho, relevant to inspiration, realization of something and so on.
Quote:78.11 Questioner: Could you elaborate please on the nature and quality of the matrix and the potentiator?
Ra: I am Ra. In the mind complex the matrix may be described as consciousness. It has been called the Magician. It is to be noted that of itself consciousness is unmoved. The potentiator of consciousness is the unconscious. This encompasses a vast realm of potential in the mind.
aha then.
potentiator is female principle. the mover. the moved is the male, which is the matrix. potentiator of consciousness, ie potentiator of the matrix is unconscious.
so, the mover is unconscious, female, moved is conscious, male.
and, here we have the glimpses of the polarity of last octave ; the mover and the moved.
Quote:In the body the matrix may be seen as Balanced Working or Even Functioning. Note that here the matrix is always active with no means of being inactive. The potentiator of the body complex, then, may be called Wisdom for it is only through judgment that the unceasing activities and proclivities of the body complex may be experienced in useful modes.
its get blurry here.
Quote:The Matrix of the Spirit is what you may call the Night of the Soul or Primeval Darkness. Again we have that which is not capable of movement or work. The potential power of this extremely receptive matrix is such that the potentiator may be seen as Lightning. In your archetypical system called the tarot this has been refined into the concept complex of the Lightning Struck Tower. However, the original potentiator was light in its sudden and fiery form; that is, the lightning itself.
this doesnt fit too well with the male/female polarizaton too. matrix of the spirit seems female here. yet, lightning, which is an active principle ....
then again maybe not. now, in the instant of realization, the realization, there may be male and female principles acting to and with each other. so, the darkness may be unmoving and male, yet, when potentiated by potentiator, it transforms into lightning.
Quote:This is the description of Archetypes One through Nine before the onset of influence of the co-Creator or sub-Logos’ realization of free will.
hmmm
RE: Book IV Study Group - βαθμιαίος - 08-05-2010
Matrix of the mind is male (archetype 1).
Potentiator of the mind is female (archetype 2).
Matrix of the body is female (archetype 8).
Potentiator of the body is male (archetype 9).
Matrix of the spirit is darkness (archetype 15).
Potentiator of the spirit is light (archetype 16).
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-05-2010
can you provide links to q/as in lawofone.info ?
RE: Book IV Study Group - βαθμιαίος - 08-05-2010
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=Tarot&sc=1&ss=1
Click on the particular archetype you want to pursue.
RE: Book IV Study Group - βαθμιαίος - 08-06-2010
Here's a question I've been wondering about. Ra says that the standing archetypes I and IX are unmoving and the seated archetypes II and VIII are associated with motion. Doesn't that seem backwards? Wouldn't it be easier to move if you're standing than if you're seated?
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-06-2010
im still thinking on the male/female concepts and matrix/potentiator.
i probably wont move onto anything else until i settle these.
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-07-2010
now, this :
Quote:Matrix of the mind is male (archetype 1).
Potentiator of the mind is female (archetype 2).
Matrix of the body is female (archetype 8).
Potentiator of the body is male (archetype 9).
Matrix of the spirit is darkness (archetype 15).
Potentiator of the spirit is light (archetype 16).
now, we know that, body is a product of mind. and, mind is the conduit in between the spirit and the body.
so, mind channels the spirit's energy into the body, and the catalyst (or whatever energy) comes from the body, and goes up to mind to spirit. also, all feelings, this that, experience, consciousness are experienced in the mind. various blockages etc may occur in between the route etc etc.
then,
matrix is female in the body, potentiator is male in the body.
matrix is male in the mind, potentiator in the mind is female
then, for there to be a full circle, shouldnt matrix of the spirit be female, and potentiator of the spirit be male ? this also fits in with the saying that goes like 'fetid darkness'.
RE: Book IV Study Group - βαθμιαίος - 08-08-2010
(08-07-2010, 09:38 AM)unity100 Wrote: then, for there to be a full circle, shouldnt matrix of the spirit be female, and potentiator of the spirit be male ? this also fits in with the saying that goes like 'fetid darkness'.
Why? I don't see how that follows. Ra says that the matrix of the spirit is the deepest darkness and the potentiator sudden illumination. (79.19) How or why would male and female enter in there?
RE: Book IV Study Group - Peregrinus - 08-08-2010
(08-07-2010, 09:38 AM)unity100 Wrote: shouldnt matrix of the spirit be female, and potentiator of the spirit be male ?
The spirit is androgynous, for it contains all that is. There is no separation other than preference for the incarnate physical vehicle which the spirit may find to be accustomed to over several incarnate experiences.
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-08-2010
(08-08-2010, 12:05 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Why? I don't see how that follows. Ra says that the matrix of the spirit is the deepest darkness and the potentiator sudden illumination. (79.19) How or why would male and female enter in there?
polarity and duality in everything. the mover and the moved remember, the polarity of the earlier octave.
in this too, one is the mover, and one is the moved. one can move but cannot move without being affected to move, being made move. one causes the other to move.
Quote:The spirit is androgynous, for it contains all that is. There is no separation other than preference for the incarnate physical vehicle which the spirit may find to be accustomed to over several incarnate experiences.
spirit may remain androgynous, but, the principles acting on it to manifest can be polarized. just like how mind is. does mind complex have a polarity ? no. but there are mover and the moved for mind, and conscious part is male, the matrix, and unconscious is female, the potentiator. the resulting thing is, mind. same goes for body.
why shouldnt same go for spirit ?
RE: Book IV Study Group - βαθμιαίος - 08-08-2010
I'm still not sure why mover and moved has to equal male and female.
The archetypes of motion don't cause the unmoving archetypes to move. They are each states of mind, body, or spirit that can be invoked by the adept as appropriate.
If you look at all the archetypes of the spirit ( http://www.lawofone.info/images/ ), you'll see that most are not specifically male or female. The spirit is a shuttle.
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-09-2010
the mover and the moved did not equate to male and female, though, there seems to be a certain attraction of certain aspects of mind body and spirit to male and female respectively. (remember how Ra says the subconscious mind was attracted to the female, and conscious to male, after the veiling).
what i am brainstorming is, since there is reciprocality in between the mover and the moved (matrix and potentiator) in mind, body and spirit respectively, and at each matrix and potentiator is attracted to male or female predominantly, it has to be as such in the spirit complex too.
RE: Book IV Study Group - 3D Sunset - 08-09-2010
I have come to think of the matrix of the spirit as a battery. Containing all dichotomies (male/female STS/STO love/light, etc) in potentiation. I see the potentiator of the spirit as the spark that briefly arcs between the poles of the battery, thus converting the potential energy to kinetic in a blinding flash.
3D Sunset
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-09-2010
then wouldnt all the other complexes (mind, body) have to be like that.
RE: Book IV Study Group - 3D Sunset - 08-09-2010
(08-09-2010, 11:15 AM)unity100 Wrote: then wouldnt all the other complexes (mind, body) have to be like that.
Not at all. Ra says that many of the archetypes have a male or female polarity associated with them, but he never says they all do.
Law of One, Book Iv, Session 87 Wrote:Questioner: Why is the male and the female nature different?
Ra: I am Ra. When the veiling process was accomplished, to the male polarity was attracted the Matrix of the Mind and to the female, the Potentiator of the Mind, to the male the Potentiator of the Body, to the female the Matrix of the Body. May we ask if there are any brief queries before we close this working?"
and
Law of One, Book Iv, Session 94 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. Your question is certainly interesting and your confusion hopefully productive. We cannot learn/teach for the student. We shall simply note, as we have previously, the attraction of various archetypes to male and to female. We suggest that this line of consideration may prove productive.
Although there are various patterns, images and associations found across the card of the Major Arcana, I think we should not force them into our interpretations. Better to let each card speak to us as it will, and then we shall hear whatever is best for us to hear.
3D Sunset
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-09-2010
(08-09-2010, 11:36 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Not at all. Ra says that many of the archetypes have a male or female polarity associated with them, but he never says they all do.
the deal is, while the manifestation of existence happens in mover/moved male/female polarities, spirit cant just be devoid of them. spirit exists in the same manifestation, not only that, but all the derivative manifestations like body come from that source, reflections, mirrors.
Law of One, Book Iv, Session 94 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. Your question is certainly interesting and your confusion hopefully productive. We cannot learn/teach for the student. We shall simply note, as we have previously, the attraction of various archetypes to male and to female. We suggest that this line of consideration may prove productive.
then that means there could be an attraction of different parts of spirit complex to male and female too.
RE: Book IV Study Group - Peregrinus - 08-09-2010
As I stated before, "There is no separation other than preference for the incarnate physical vehicle which the spirit may find to be accustomed to over several incarnate experiences."
I meant this in terms of male/female.
To elaborate, once the spirit has gone beyond the automated process for the selection of the incarnate mind/body/experience, selection is done via viewing the Akash, allowing choice of male/female mind/body for several different experiences which will provide for the lessons desired. The spirit then may become accustomed to, and gain a preference to, a particular gender and desire to choose further experiences in that gender.
The spirit contains all there is.
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-09-2010
this is not related to the habitation of the physical vehicle.
this is related to the male/female attractions of the spirit complex in its potentiator and the matrix. regardless of the spirit, there is a potentiator and the matrix, and, what we learn up until this point suggests us that one probably gets attracted to the male, other to the female. even more, maybe matrix and potentiator of the spirit are the roots from where all this male/female business comes from ...
RE: Book IV Study Group - 3D Sunset - 08-09-2010
(08-09-2010, 01:06 PM)unity100 Wrote: then that means there could be an attraction of different parts of spirit complex to male and female too.
Perhaps there could, but that is not to say there must, as you seem to imply. I see most of the archetypes of spirit attracting both male and female polarities equally. I see no need for these polarities to be be attracted by the matrix and potentiator of the spirit. This also makes sense to me in that the mind and body were most affected by the veil. Logically, it would seem that the spirit was much less affected, as its primary existence is in t/s, not s/t as are the mind and body.
Notice also that Ra says that after the veil, the male was attracted to the Matrix and the female was attracted to the potentiator, i.e., that genders were attracted to the archetypes, not that the archetypes were attracted to the gender qualities. I think this is significant, in that it implies that before the veil, the action of mover and moved became associated with genders that were not there before the veil. This would then mean that the representations of male and female on certain cards would communicate more implicitly some of the qualities that the student could associate with the given archetype.
Personally, I still see no need to emboss male/female polarities on the matrix or potentiator of the spirit. That said, if you do see the polarities represented on the cards, then I'm sure you are seeing it for a reason.
3D Sunset
RE: Book IV Study Group - unity100 - 08-09-2010
(08-09-2010, 03:38 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Perhaps there could, but that is not to say there must, as you seem to imply. I see most of the archetypes of spirit attracting both male and female polarities equally. I see no need for these polarities to be be attracted by the matrix and potentiator of the spirit. This also makes sense to me in that the mind and body were most affected by the veil. Logically, it would seem that the spirit was much less affected, as its primary existence is in t/s, not s/t as are the mind and body.
and why isnt there any need for them to be attracted to the aspects of spirit, despite they have been attracted to the aspects of body, and mind ?
spirit is just a higher manifestation of energy in this universe, and body, for example, is a slower manifestation.
body's nature being totally different in fundamentals from spirit is far off. everything in the universe seems designed on opposite polarities - positive/negative male/female mover/moved dark/light. at this point, it is only natural that spirit also be comprised of two polarities.
Quote:Notice also that Ra says that after the veil, the male was attracted to the Matrix and the female was attracted to the potentiator, i.e., that genders were attracted to the archetypes, not that the archetypes were attracted to the gender qualities. I think this is significant, in that it implies that before the veil, the action of mover and moved became associated with genders that were not there before the veil. This would then mean that the representations of male and female on certain cards would communicate more implicitly some of the qualities that the student could associate with the given archetype.
or is it really significant ?
the manifestation of existence in this universe happens as thus, as male attracted to archetype x, female archetype y, here and there. the manifestation in this universe doesnt happen in any different way. there is no different manifestation of consciousness as thus. so, are male and female really attracted to these archetypes, or these archetypes are attracted to them, or are they both reflections of each other ...
the veil, was probably more a tool in stressing and emphasizing the polarity differences. at least, in the case of positive/negative, it was.
Quote:Personally, I still see no need to emboss male/female polarities on the matrix or potentiator of the spirit. That said, if you do see the polarities represented on the cards, then I'm sure you are seeing it for a reason.
no i am not looking at the cards at all. im just reflecting on the relations of the potentiators and matrixes of the various complexes that create the manifestation of consciousness in this universe as Ra tells it.
im thinking, and saying that, it is impossible for there to be a kind of relation in between polarities and archetypes of body, mind, and then everything go totally irrelevant in the spirit. mind, is the channel of the spirit, and body is the product of mind. that means, there is continuation.