(09-09-2013, 05:07 AM)Tanner Wrote:

(09-09-2013, 05:00 AM)Not Sure Wrote: If you wish to study the things which are not of the one that is everything there is don't you need to potentiate that which is not yet in existence to bring it into existence? You know, to potentiate that which is not (yet)? Since we are apparently having an argument about core logics in a way that cant be solved, I thought I'd thrown in a spoon of confusion.

(sits back and watches the chaotic ants of Tanner and Adonai self run around and try to make heads or tails of this comment, or entirely ignore it)

What is confusing about this? Such is the mystery, the well of the unknown, which infinity is ever making kinetic from within itself. imo

(09-09-2013, 05:07 AM)Not Sure Wrote:

(09-09-2013, 05:00 AM)Adonai One Wrote:

Quote:Vervex: "You ascribe too much human intelligence to the original intelligence which is so united that its abstraction is minimal. You deny it its true nature and give it the persona of a bearded man in the sky." - YOU DO THIS, YOU DO THAT, YOU SAY THIS, YOU DENY, YOU BELIEVE IN A BEARDED MAN. this is very aggressive.
and dictating

I want to give my apologies for my poor choice in tone. Let me say that I really appreciate the mirror you provide here, Tanner. And that I value your words. Let me really put myself in your shoes and relax and I'll respond to your post.

Good Girl V

(09-09-2013, 07:47 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Let's start at the roots:

I believe there is only one self in the beggining and the end, Tanner.

I also believe Infinity/Finity is a duality that is resolved and completely united.

There can only be one in the end, eh?

(09-09-2013, 11:54 AM)Tanner Wrote: What end? Cycles are endless, the universe is process.

Or did I just step in to the Highlander movie?

So much power seeking, the story goes on as it always has. I do hope one day the need for dominance can be let go.

(09-09-2013, 11:54 AM)Tanner Wrote:

(09-09-2013, 07:47 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Let's start at the roots:

I believe there is only one self in the beggining and the end, Tanner.

I also believe Infinity/Finity is a duality that is resolved and completely united.

There can only be one in the end, eh?

What end? Cycles are endless, the universe is process.

Or did I just step in to the Highlander movie?

So much power seeking, the story goes on as it always has. I do hope one day the need for dominance can be let go.

Quote:Questioner: Thank you. I would like to consider the condition at a time or position you might say, if time is a bad word, just prior to the beginning of this octave of experience. I am assuming that, just prior to the beginning of this octave, intelligent infinity had created and already experienced one or more previous octaves. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You assume correctly. However, the phrase would more informatively read, infinite intelligence had experienced previous octaves.

Quote:Questioner: Are you saying then there are an infinite number of octaves of densities one through eight?

Ra: I am Ra. We wish to establish that we are truly humble messengers of the Law of One. We can speak to you of our experiences and our understandings and teach/learn in limited ways. However, we cannot speak in firm knowledge of all the creations. We know only that they are infinite. We assume an infinite number of octaves.

However, it has been impressed upon us by our own teachers that there is a mystery-clad unity of creation in which all consciousness periodically coalesces and again begins. Thus we can only say we assume an infinite progression though we understand it to be cyclical in nature and, as we have said, clad in mystery.

(09-09-2013, 12:37 PM)Tanner Wrote: The universe begins and ends in mystery, beyond time, space and expectation.

(09-09-2013, 12:35 PM)Adonai One Wrote:

(09-09-2013, 11:54 AM)Tanner Wrote:

(09-09-2013, 07:47 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Let's start at the roots:

I believe there is only one self in the beggining and the end, Tanner.

I also believe Infinity/Finity is a duality that is resolved and completely united.

There can only be one in the end, eh?

What end? Cycles are endless, the universe is process.

Or did I just step in to the Highlander movie?

So much power seeking, the story goes on as it always has. I do hope one day the need for dominance can be let go.

I am just going to assume a Palpatine avater and be the STS being you assume I am. Heehee.

Feel free to scan my mind a bit deeper.

(09-09-2013, 12:41 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(09-09-2013, 12:37 PM)Tanner Wrote: The universe begins and ends in mystery, beyond time, space and expectation.

So the Universe/Octave exists beyond thought?

Quote:Questioner: Why does this partaking in the original thought have a gradient radially outward? That’s the way I understand your statement.

Ra: I am Ra. This is the plan of the One Infinite Creator. The One Original Thought is the harvest of all previous, if you would use this term, experience of the Creator by the Creator. As It decides to know Itself It generates Itself into that plenum, full of the glory and the power of the One Infinite Creator which is manifested to your perceptions as space or outer space. Each generation of this knowing begets a knowing which has the capacity, through free will, to choose methods of knowing Itself. Therefore, gradually, step by step, the Creator becomes that which may know Itself, and the portions of the Creator partake less purely in the power of the original word or thought. This is for the purpose of refinement of the one original thought. The Creator does not properly create as much as It experiences Itself.

(09-09-2013, 02:13 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Anagogy, you are aware that time/space (inner planes) came as a byproduct of the investment of spirit complexes into the bodies of our physical reality? That the physical Logos and its creations preceded the creation of an afterlife?

Quote:29.11 Questioner: Thank you. Yesterday you stated that planets in first density are in a timeless state to begin with. Can you tell me how the effect we appreciate as time comes into being?

Ra: I am Ra. We have just described to you the state of beingness of each Logos. The process by which space/time comes into continuum form is a function of the careful building, shall we say, of an entire or whole plan of vibratory rates, densities, and potentials. When this plan has coalesced in the thought complexes of Love, then the physical manifestations begin to appear; this first manifestation stage being awareness or consciousness.

At the point at which this coalescence is at the livingness or beingness point, the point or fountainhead of beginning, space/time then begins to unroll its scroll of livingness.

Quote:63.25 Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere?

Ra: I am Ra. At this time the cosmic influxes are conducive to true-color green core particles being formed and material of this nature thus being formed. However, there is a mixture of the yellow-ray and green-ray environments at this time necessitating the birthing of transitional mind/body/spirit complex types of energy distortions. At full activation of the true-color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable upon its own and the birthing that takes place will have been transformed through the process of time, shall we say, to the appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time.

Quote:78.5 Questioner: The instrument would like for me to ask if there is any problem with her kidneys?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is more complex than its brevity certifies. The physical complex renal system of this instrument is much damaged. The time/space equivalent which rules the body complex is without flaw. There was a serious question, due to psychic attack, as to whether the spiritual healing of this system would endure. It did so but has the need to be re-enforced by affirmation of the ascendancy of the spiritual over the apparent or visible.

When this instrument began ingesting substances designed to heal, in a physical sense, among other things the renal complex, this instrument was ceasing the affirmation of healing. Due to this, again, the healing was weakened. This is of some profound distortion and it would be well for the instrument to absorb these concepts. We ask your forgiveness for offering information which may abridge free will, but the dedication of the instrument is such that it would persevere regardless of its condition, if possible. Thusly we offer this information that it may persevere with a fuller distortion towards comfort.

(09-09-2013, 03:50 AM)Adonai One Wrote: They are inherently united. The different perspectives only shift when the first energetic body hatches from a physical one. The first experiences of life were space/time.

Quote:28.6 Questioner: When does individualization or the individualized portion of consciousness come into play? How does this individualization occur and at what point does individualized consciousness take over in working on the basic light?

Ra: I am Ra. You remain carefully in the area of creation itself. In this process we must further confuse you by stating that the process by which free will acts upon potential intelligent infinity to become focused intelligent energy takes place without the space/time of which you are so aware as it is your continuum experience.

The experience or existence of space/time comes into being after the individuation process of Logos or Love has been completed and the physical universe, as you would call it, has coalesced or begun to draw inward while moving outward to the extent that that which you call your sun bodies have in their turn created timeless chaos coalescing into what you call planets, these vortices of intelligent energy spending a large amount of what you would call first density in a timeless state, the space/time realization being one of the learn/teachings of this density of beingness.

Thus we have difficulty answering your questions with regard to time and space and their relationship to the, what you would call, original creation which is not a part of space/time as you can understand it.

(09-09-2013, 03:50 AM)Adonai One Wrote: In the context of our system, souls are not just randomly spawned. They are a product of physical life being invested by the Sun that can then become disincarnate.

Quote:30.5 Questioner: I would like to know how the mind/body/spirit complexes originate. How, going back as far as necessary, does the— Do they originate by spirit forming mind and mind forming body? Can you tell me this?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider that you are attempting to trace evolution. This evolution is as we have previously described, the consciousness being first, in first density, without movement, a random thing. Whether you may call this mind or body complex is a semantic problem. We call it mind/body complex recognizing always that in the simplest iota of this complex exists in its entirety the One Infinite Creator; this mind/body complex then in second density discovering the growing and turning towards the light, thus awakening what you may call the spirit complex, that which intensifies the upward spiraling towards the love and light of the Infinite Creator.

The addition of this spirit complex, though apparent rather than real, it having existed potentially from the beginning of space/time, perfects itself by graduation into third density. When the mind/body/spirit complex becomes aware of the possibility of service to self or other-self, then the mind/body/spirit complex is activated.

(09-09-2013, 03:59 AM)Adonai One Wrote: The inner planes are creations created by individual entities like you and me after realizing they can be disincarnate, otherwise incarnation is automatic. These realms had no existence until they were willed. They are not divine, they are not predestined. They are sandboxes and recreation areas created by individuals.

(09-09-2013, 04:04 AM)Adonai One Wrote: There is no god here molding things directly. I'm not that religious to buy into such magical thinking.

Quote:The experience or existence of space/time comes into being after the individuation process of Logos or Love has been completed 

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. The second density strives towards the third density which is the density of self-consciousness orself-awareness. The striving takes place through the higher second-density forms who are invested by third-density beings with an identity to the extent that they become self-aware mind/body complexes, thus becoming mind/body/spirit complexes and entering third density, the first density of consciousness of spirit.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. Entities do not become enspirited. They become aware of the intelligent energy within each portion, cell, or atom, as you may call it, of its beingness.

This awareness is that which is awareness of that already given. From the infinite come all densities. The self-awareness comes from within given the catalyst of certain experiences understanding, as we may call this particular energy, the upward spiraling of the cell or atom or consciousness.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. You are existing at all levels simultaneously. It is specifically correct that your higher self is you in mid-sixth density and, in your way of measuring what you know of as time, your higher self is your self in your future.

Quote:Questioner: When this Earth was second-density, how did the second-density beings on this Earth become so invested?

Ra: There was not this type of investment as spoken but the simple third-density investment which is the line of spiraling light calling distortion upward from density to density. The process takes longer when there is no investment made by incarnate third-density beings.

(09-10-2013, 07:31 AM)Adonai One Wrote: If you gentlemen want to believe that the primordial universe was wizards and angels wandering around shaping planets and that the Sun has intelligence similar to a human, so be it.

Quote:The fact is time/space and space/time are united. One did not precede the other. They rely on each other.

Quote: We are The Creator. He is not above us for we are him. We shape this reality.

Quote:I do not fear the "God" character you create because he does not exist. There is no such deity, individuality, abstraction within that united intelligence....This "God" character simply doesn't exist.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. That which you say is correct upon its own merits, but is not a repetition of our statement. Our suggestion was that within the experiential nexus of each entity within its second-density environment and within the roots of mind there were placed biases indicating to the watchful eye the more efficient of the two paths. Let us say, for want of a more precise adjective, that this Logos has a bias towards kindness.

Quote:The harvest from the previous creation was that which included the male and female mind/body/spirit. It was the intention of the original Logoi that entities mate with one another in any fashion which caused a greater polarization. It was determined, after observation of the process of many Logoi, that polarization increased many fold if the mating were not indiscriminate. Consequent Logoi thusly preserved a bias towards the mated relationship which is more characteristic of more disciplined personalities and of what you may call higher densities. The free will of each entity, however, was always paramount and a bias only could be offered.

(09-10-2013, 03:00 AM)Adonai One Wrote: You have cited no passage that falsifies the fact that self-aware beings do not exist until investment by the Sun.

(09-10-2013, 03:00 AM)Adonai One Wrote: The thought-forms that grow in the astral are formed by 3rd-density beings that were originally created by investment.When I see a passage that clearly states concious beings and clear realms randomly popped out of nowhere in the void of space and time, I will concede. None of your passages have done that. You cite changes in 4th-density, not the creation of realms themselves from the start.

Quote:13.8 Questioner: Can you state the next step?

Ra: The next step is still at this space/time nexus in your illusion achieving its progression as you may see it in your illusion. The next step is an infinite reaction to the creative principle following the Law of One in one of its primal distortions, freedom of will. Thus many, many dimensions, infinite in number, are possible. The energy moves from the intelligent infinity due first to the outpouring of randomized creative force, this then creating patterns which in holographic style appear as the entire creation no matter which direction or energy is explored. These patterns of energy begin then to regularize their own local, shall we say, rhythms and fields of energy, thus creating dimensions and universes.

13.9 Questioner: Then can you tell me how [the] galaxy and… and this planetary system were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.

The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

(09-10-2013, 03:00 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Sleeping conciousness does evade the archetypal space and time. We inherently are the Logos through our actions. There are no direct biases that mold our actions. Even 1st-density life relies on the physical for its beingness. The conciousness that alivens it does not precede it. Only in potentiation it does.

(09-10-2013, 03:00 AM)Adonai One Wrote: I also encourage you to visit the inner planes one day. It's more tangible than you think. Conciousness relies on a form of sorts in this universe. Feel free to falsify that for me.

(09-10-2013, 03:00 AM)Adonai One Wrote: The fact is time/space and space/time are united. One did not precede the other. They rely on each other.

(09-13-2013, 03:15 PM)Tanner Wrote: Define "death" and "end"? If everything is the Creator, then really the Creator is just going through modular transformations.

Quote:70.17 ...

Ra: I perceive a basic miscalculation upon your part in that time/space is no more homogenous than space/time. It is as complex and complete a system of illusions, dances, and pattern as is space/time and has as structured a system of what you may call natural laws.

Quote:13.7 Questioner: After this, what happened?

Ra: Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.

13.8 Questioner: Can you state the next step?

Ra: The next step is still at this space/time nexus in your illusion achieving its progression as you may see it in your illusion. The next step is an infinite reaction to the creative principle following the Law of One in one of its primal distortions, freedom of will. Thus many, many dimensions, infinite in number, are possible. The energy moves from the intelligent infinity due first to the outpouring of randomized creative force, this then creating patterns which in holographic style appear as the entire creation no matter which direction or energy is explored. These patterns of energy begin then to regularize their own local, shall we say, rhythms and fields of energy, thus creating dimensions and universes.

Quote:13.9 Questioner: Then can you tell me how [the] galaxy and this planetary system were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.

The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

Quote:40.1 Questioner: I thought that I would make a statement and let you correct it. I’m trying to make a simple model of the portion of the universe that we find ourselves in. Starting with the Logos, or sub-Logos, our sun, we have white light emanating from this. This is made up of frequencies ranging from the red to the violet. I am assuming that this white light then contains the experiences through all of the densities and as we go into the eighth density we go into a black hole which emerges on the other side as another Logos or sun and starts another octave of experience. Can you comment on this part of my statement?

Ra: I am Ra. We can comment upon this statement to an extent. The concept of the white light of the sub-Logos being prismatically separated and later, at the final chapter, being absorbed again is basically correct. However, there are subtleties involved which are more than semantic.

The white light which emanates and forms the articulated sub-Logos has its beginning in what may be metaphysically seen as darkness. The light comes into that darkness and transfigures it, causing the chaos to organize and become reflective or radiant. Thus the dimensions come into being.

Conversely, the blackness of the black hole, metaphysically speaking, is a concentration of white light being systematically absorbed once again into the One Creator. Finally, this absorption into the One Creator continues until all the infinity of creations have attained sufficient spiritual mass in order that all form once again the great central sun, if you would so imagine it, of the intelligent infinity awaiting potentiation by free will. Thus the transition of the octave is a process which may be seen to enter into timelessness of unimaginable nature. To attempt to measure it by your time measures would be useless.

Therefore, the concept of moving through the black hole of the ultimate spiritual gravity well and coming immediately into the next octave misses the subconcept or corollary of the portion of this process which is timeless.