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RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - reeay - 08-24-2013
I think just by putting loving awareness onto that which needs to heal would help. Call it intent or whatnot. We grow up learning that miracles happen by praying to external sources but not quite realizing we are tapping into self for healing. I certainly feel better when I sit with a friend and talk about what frustrates me, and experience a sense of understanding from friend. We can do that with self... sit with our emotions and pains and lovingly listen or simply observe whats unfolding within us... just being with it. That's kind of how meditation works - silently observing self. Buuut it's quite a challenge to 'meet' with that mature, nurturing, soothing part of self. It's there tho. Inner-angel lol.
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - zenmaster - 08-24-2013
(08-24-2013, 03:49 PM)rie Wrote: I think just by putting loving awareness onto that which needs to heal would help.The key is what need the healing? The idea of "wholeness" changes as distortion lessens, and so does "loving awareness". If there is no realization of that which is healthy, regardless of intent, there is no contribution to healing. (And that goes for the planet as well.)
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - ScottK - 08-24-2013
The way that I read this question is not as "Are you doing enough?" - rather, I see the question as "What, specifically, can I be doing now to make a difference?". I personally have always felt that those who understand the meaning of the Law of One *could* significantly help the world as we go through the changes we are going through, if they/we apply ourselves properly.
I believe many feel powerless here to do anything significant, so they focus on what they best feel could help, which would be more associated with inner work, which is appropriate. At the end of the day though, tangible actions are what change the world far more greatly.
If I may, let me suggest some other things people can work on..
1. Balance out your personal shortcomings and those areas that make you uncomfortable. Speaking for myself as an example, I am a major introvert. I've learned over time to become quite comfortable and have fun around others. Being able to do that will help my real talents shine through. Everybody has shortcomings, but there's no reason you must hold onto them and limit yourself and your potential future impact.
2. Our systems within society are a complete mess. Find the area that makes you interested and excited - study it, learn what they do today, then figure out the *right* way to do it if you had the ability to do it right. There will come a time when that knowledge you accumulate can be used for the betterment of the world. People with knowledge are far more valuable than those who don't know.
3. When you see something that you are interested in that's working for the betterment of the world, take action. The internet is a vast sea of inaction and disinformation, generally speaking.
4. This is the biggest one I've found for myself in my travels - develop discernment with regards to who you can trust, and make an effort to work with those people. A group working together with a number of people of high integrity is far, far more powerful than working by yourself.
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - Aaron - 08-25-2013
(08-24-2013, 01:01 PM)Ankh Wrote: Hey Aaron,
Thanks for your input!
In regards to what you said about the self and the sixth density social memory complex, there is very little, in my personal opinion, that can be known, and perhaps even less understood, so I will put this discussion aside, and address only what you said about workings with the self in third density.
It is absolutely necessary to have a detachment to the outcome when offering service to others, if this service is to be of the positive nature of course. But I don't agree, for the moment, that this detachment applies to workings with the self. I think that it is important with that manifestation of the self which is desired by the self, as one is correcting the imbalances in the self, which, as stated in Icaro's post can only be corrected in space/time.
Self-judgement can be put upon the self, based upon the expectation of a certain outcome when serving others; that the efforts made did not have the outcome that one was expecting, so one starts to judge the self for not doing "enough". That's one thing. But what I am talking about is the imbalances in the self and workings with these imbalances. As imbalances can only be corrected in space/time, should one not expect a certain outcome from the work with balancing exercises?
With love,
L.
Yeah, I don't think I clarified my thinking about expecting results. When seeking to correct imbalances in the self, an entity has to take an incarnation and manifest in space/time some result in order to make progress, right? One's own growth and the correcting of imbalances is one's own responsibility, so it makes sense that some kind of result be expected from the self by the self, as an outcome of that work. But this expectation would have no yellow ray attachments, as it only concerns the self. Maybe there is a connection between that and the following quote?:
Quote:(16.54) Questioner: Does what we do, when we think of possibilities that can occur, say daydreaming: Do these become real in these densities?
Ra: I am Ra. This depends upon the nature of the daydream. This is a large subject. Perhaps the simplest thing we can say is, if the daydream, as you call it, is one which attracts to self, this then becomes reality to self. If it is contemplative general daydream, this may enter the infinity of possibility/probability complexes and occur elsewhere, having no particular attachment to the energy fields of the creator.
I would imagine that there might be a difference in expectations held of the self between an entity who is green ray activated and an entity who is not, regarding workings with the self. There also would probably be a huge difference sometimes between whatever "expectations" that the third density conscious self sets in place during the life experience, and whatever expectations that the self outside of third density has had regarding the incarnation.
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - Aaron - 08-25-2013
I've considered that motivation might have a lot to do with it. If an entity is motivated to do the work from the lower 3 rays, there might be an attachment. If the motivation is from the green ray, there wouldn't be any attachment at all to the outcome.
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - AnthroHeart - 08-25-2013
But we must bring our lower three chakras into balance before we can work with the green, correct?
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - xise - 08-25-2013
(08-25-2013, 05:53 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: But we must bring our lower three chakras into balance before we can work with the green, correct?
I think you can do some green work without balancing the lower three, but your progress is much harder and much more distorted, and I think you can hit barriers to progression due to lower imbalances where one is unable to process something at the green level due to imbalances in the red/orange/yellow rays. At least, this has been my experience.
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - Ankh - 08-26-2013
Aaron, what I understand that you are trying to say is that you are trying to put the work itself (with the self) in different rays. Please correct me if I am wrong in this understanding of your thoughts. If this is indeed what you are trying to say, then I find it personally not useful for me.
What we have been discussing here is wise attitude or detachment to the outcome when we are doing manifested actions/service. This detachment is essential if one is trying to polarize in the positive way. And then I asked plenum what he thought about this detachment in regards to work with the self.
Through this thread I, personally, came to the conclusion that perhaps this question that I asked and these thoughts that I had were maybe confusing and not helpful. It is well to relax sometimes I think and just remember to breath from all the work done with the self. You know, take a drink and enjoy the creation. But there is still work that needs efforts, that needs to be done.
Whether one then is attached to the results of this work, well... Maybe it is still a good question? Or maybe it is unnecessary, confusing question. I don't know. But speaking in slightly different concepts, considering the Archetypical blueprint in our deeper mind, we have this:
"Again, doubt not that which the coin is called to represent, for does not the Magus strive to achieve through the manifested world?"
So, the Matrix of the Mind is striving to achieve something through the manifested world. What is it? My belief is that this is the result or attachment or manifestation that I am trying to understand here. There is a *desired* mind complex attitude which I want to bring into manifestation, and speaking of detachment/attachement to this manifestation is perhaps just confusing?
In the same Archetype we have also this:
"The folded wing in this image is intended to suggest that just as the Matrix figure, the Magician, cannot act without reaching its wingèd spirit, so neither can the spirit fly lest it be *released into conscious manifestation and fructified thereby*."
(08-25-2013, 05:56 PM)xise Wrote:(08-25-2013, 05:53 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: But we must bring our lower three chakras into balance before we can work with the green, correct?
I think you can do some green work without balancing the lower three, but your progress is much harder and much more distorted, and I think you can hit barriers to progression due to lower imbalances where one is unable to process something at the green level due to imbalances in the red/orange/yellow rays. At least, this has been my experience.
I agree with xise here, GW. Ra said a similar thing:
"Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One."
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - Aaron - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 10:30 AM)Ankh Wrote: Aaron, what I understand that you are trying to say is that you are trying to put the work itself (with the self) in different rays. Please correct me if I am wrong in this understanding of your thoughts. If this is indeed what you are trying to say, then I find it personally not useful for me.
What we have been discussing here is wise attitude or detachment to the outcome when we are doing manifested actions/service. This detachment is essential if one is trying to polarize in the positive way. And then I asked plenum what he thought about this detachment in regards to work with the self.
Through this thread I, personally, came to the conclusion that perhaps this question that I asked and these thoughts that I had were maybe confusing and not helpful. It is well to relax sometimes I think and just remember to breath from all the work done with the self. You know, take a drink and enjoy the creation. But there is still work that needs efforts, that needs to be done.
Whether one then is attached to the results of this work, well... Maybe it is still a good question? Or maybe it is unnecessary, confusing question. I don't know. But speaking in slightly different concepts, considering the Archetypical blueprint in our deeper mind, we have this:
"Again, doubt not that which the coin is called to represent, for does not the Magus strive to achieve through the manifested world?"
So, the Matrix of the Mind is striving to achieve something through the manifested world. What is it? My belief is that this is the result or attachment or manifestation that I am trying to understand here. There is a *desired* mind complex attitude which I want to bring into manifestation, and speaking of detachment/attachement to this manifestation is perhaps just confusing?
In the same Archetype we have also this:
"The folded wing in this image is intended to suggest that just as the Matrix figure, the Magician, cannot act without reaching its wingèd spirit, so neither can the spirit fly lest it be *released into conscious manifestation and fructified thereby*."
At this point, it seems I can no longer help you. Good luck finding whatever it is you're seeking, whether it's attention and validation from Ra or something else. Just don't hurt anyone else on your way.
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - Ankh - 08-26-2013
(08-26-2013, 05:26 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: At this point, it seems I can no longer help you. Good luck finding whatever it is you're seeking, whether it's attention and validation from Ra or something else. Just don't hurt anyone else on your way.
Brother, this got into a direction I didn't expect. It got personal, I guess.
I'm sorry if I said something in my post that got you upset. Your post suggests that I hurt people on my way, and that I'm seeking attention and validation from Ra...?
Well, what can I say?... You never listened to me, my brother, but that's ok.
May you walk in the peace and the *majesty* of the Infinite One. Much love and light to you.
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - Aaron - 08-27-2013
(08-26-2013, 09:23 PM)Ankh Wrote:(08-26-2013, 05:26 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: At this point, it seems I can no longer help you. Good luck finding whatever it is you're seeking, whether it's attention and validation from Ra or something else. Just don't hurt anyone else on your way.
Brother, this got into a direction I didn't expect. It got personal, I guess.
I'm sorry if I said something in my post that got you upset. Your post suggests that I hurt people on my way, and that I'm seeking attention and validation from Ra...?
Well, what can I say?... You never listened to me, my brother, but that's ok.
May you walk in the peace and the *majesty* of the Infinite One. Much love and light to you.
Post redirected to the appropriate spot.
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - Ashim - 08-27-2013
The title of this thread just made me remember an incident about 2 years ago, somewhat of a turning point (one of many) in my life.
I'll tell it as it happened.
I was in a hurry to go get something and return quickly with the car. My wife was waiting and she had allowed me to use her vehicle to go and fetch something. I'm not sure exactly what but it was of no great importance.
Whilst driving down the main road out of our village I noticed an older man stumbling along the pavement. He seemed to be having trouble, on closer inspection he seemed to be under the influence of alcohol and/or injured. He could only manage a few steps forward before resting - yes it was your typical 'bum' with shopping bag etc. I thought that I recognized him from somewhere.
Anyway, I sped past thinking only of my task at hand, but somehow the thought occured to me that I should be of help.
'Practice what you preech'.
It was a split second decision.
At the next possible spot I did a U turn and headed back towards him. I pulled over and saw that he was injured - his leg was bleeding, not too bad, but it was hindering his progress. He was fairly drunk but still quite able to talk.
I asked him where he lived, it was not too far away, but he would probably have taken ages under his own steam.
He smelled awful too.
I said "come on jump in, I'll take you home".
His first reaction was to reach into his pocket to offer me some change for giving him a ride. I said it was ok, he should Keep his money.
I helped him into the car and drove hime home, making sure that someone answered the door when we got there.
He said his wife was home and would look after him.
He said "thanks" and looked me in the eyes.
Later my wife enquired about me having been gone so long and the strange smell in the car.
I told her.
She said "YOU DID WHAT.....!"
I'll spare you the rest of her comments.
I felt that I had been asked to serve. I had the choice. I chose the way I felt.
Have I always done enough?
No, I'm human, but that time I think I got the message.
RE: are you doing enough? (to serve) - reeay - 08-27-2013
(08-24-2013, 08:24 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(08-24-2013, 03:49 PM)rie Wrote: I think just by putting loving awareness onto that which needs to heal would help.The key is what need the healing? The idea of "wholeness" changes as distortion lessens, and so does "loving awareness". If there is no realization of that which is healthy, regardless of intent, there is no contribution to healing. (And that goes for the planet as well.)
To understand what is healthy we have to understand what makes us sick too. The process of being aware and observing that which bothers us may lower emotional charge so the problem can be understood... just by sitting with what frustrates/distresses/bothers us we can go deeper into that problem (bc the likelihood that what is currently bothering us is not the original problem is high).