(01-14-2009, 09:30 PM)3D Sunset Wrote:

(01-14-2009, 08:21 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Ra says that those who were destroyed by the energy release found their spirit complexes "to be completely disarranged without possibility of re-integration."

To me, that doesn't sound like the loss of just one lifetime's experiences.

When Don asks if the fact that Ra is able to reintegrate souls who die by nuclear energy release makes it no more traumatic than death by a bullet, Ra says no, it would be more traumatic. But the entity would remain an entity.

I read that to mean that absent Ra's reintegration of the destroyed spirit complex, the entity would no longer be an entity.

In a like vein, Ra says that some of our weapons "redound to the last echoes of potential destruction."

Hi βαθμιαίος (I could use some help with the pronunciation here),

I'm not really sure if there's anything to disagree about. I never meant to imply that it wasn't a serious issue. Indeed, I agree that Ra indicated that without their help the spirit complexes would have been disintegrated.

There is, as is frequently the case with Ra, some room for interpretation of what exactly he meant by the phrase "unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex" when he refers to what was "completely disarranged" by the blast. To me, this is addressing the spirit complex that is a portion of the Higher Self and is tied into the unique 3D mind/body of that incarnation. This gets into an entirely different discussion about the relationship between the Higher Self, or ageless spirit and the "spirit" of an incarnational instance of the Higher Self. Some people believe that they are one in the same, I am of the opinion that there are a number of spirits, simultaneously at various levels of spiritual evolution distinct from the spirit of the 3D mind/body/spirit complex and the Higher self. Distinct from, yet wholely conatined in the Higher Self. (Sorry, if this is getting rather esoteric).

As a simple example of why I feel this way, I find it absolutely incomprehensible that the Higher Self would be remotely affected by it's 3D incarnation's proximity to a nuclear bomb. Thus, we are left with the question "what is the 'spirit' portion of the 3D mind/body/spirit complex that would have been disintegrated"? I bellieve that it is just that, a spirit fragment or holographic instance of that portion of the Higher Self that is appropriate for the incarnation. Hence my analogy to losing all the work of a single semester in college if that spirit is disintegrated. On another level, it's a moot question since we do have those of the Confederation and Ra looking out for us, just in case our worldly leaders get too aggresive with the Bomb or some other human made application of Intellegent Energy.

I would be delighted, however, to continue this in it's own thread if you'd like to have further dialog.

All the best,

3D sunset

(01-14-2009, 09:30 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Hi βαθμιαίος (I could use some help with the pronunciation here),

(01-14-2009, 09:30 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: As a simple example of why I feel this way, I find it absolutely incomprehensible that the Higher Self would be remotely affected by it's 3D incarnation's proximity to a nuclear bomb.

(01-14-2009, 10:25 PM)DreamingPeace Wrote: 1. For something to be 'disarranged' implies that it still exists...just in a different form. If it were annihilated, it seems that Ra would have used a term like 'destroyed' ...but Ra said 'disarranged.'

(01-14-2009, 09:30 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: There is, as is frequently the case with Ra, some room for interpretation of what exactly he meant by the phrase "unique vibratory complex you have called the spirit complex, which we understand as a mind/body/spirit complex" when he refers to what was "completely disarranged" by the blast. To me, this is addressing the spirit complex that is a portion of the Higher Self and is tied into the unique 3D mind/body of that incarnation. This gets into an entirely different discussion about the relationship between the Higher Self, or ageless spirit and the "spirit" of an incarnational instance of the Higher Self. Some people believe that they are one in the same, I am of the opinion that there are a number of spirits, simultaneously at various levels of spiritual evolution distinct from the spirit of the 3D mind/body/spirit complex and the Higher self. Distinct from, yet wholely conatined in the Higher Self. (Sorry, if this is getting rather esoteric).

As a simple example of why I feel this way, I find it absolutely incomprehensible that the Higher Self would be remotely affected by it's 3D incarnation's proximity to a nuclear bomb. Thus, we are left with the question "what is the 'spirit' portion of the 3D mind/body/spirit complex that would have been disintegrated"? I bellieve that it is just that, a spirit fragment or holographic instance of that portion of the Higher Self that is appropriate for the incarnation. Hence my analogy to losing all the work of a single semester in college if that spirit is disintegrated. On another level, it's a moot question since we do have those of the Confederation and Ra looking out for us, just in case our worldly leaders get too aggresive with the Bomb or some other human made application of Intellegent Energy.

(01-14-2009, 10:28 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: It's funny, I seem to get that response a lot

βαθμιαίος
β = Beta = B
a = alpha = a
θ = theta = th
μ = mu = m
i = iota = i
a = alpha = a
i = iota = i
o = omicron = o
ς = sigma = s

So all together it's Bathmiaios, which means (I hope!) step by step.

Quote:I see why you say that but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Or perhaps I should say, let's agree that it's a dangling thread

Quote:Really, though, it's a moot point. Perhaps the entities would have ceased to exist or maybe just one incarnation's experiences would have been lost. Either way it's pretty bad and we can be grateful to Ra that they intervened, and we can also take their implied suggestion to "attempt feelings of love towards the planetary sphere and comfort and healing of the scars and the imbalances of these actions."

DreamingPeace Wrote:Remember, Hitler's soul got rearranged, due to his extreme confusion and intense mixture of polarity... (As an aside, I wonder where that soul is now? Not a question Q'uo is likely to answer, that's for sure!)

Quote:Ra, Book I, Session 11,

Questioner: Can you tell us what happened to Adolf (Hitler)?

Ra: I am Ra. The mind/body/spirit complex known as Adolf is at this time in an healing process in the middle astral planes of your spherical force field. This entity was greatly confused and, although aware of the circumstance of change in vibratory level associated with the cessation of the chemical body complex, nevertheless, needed a great deal of care.

(01-15-2009, 03:04 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Ask and ye shall receive,

(02-03-2009, 01:04 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Another dangling thread I'm curious about: Ra said that the one known as Lucifer can be seen as the true light-bringer. Is there actually a being named Lucifer, or is it instead a principle/idea/concept?

(02-03-2009, 06:53 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Yeah, I have some idea of what Hidden Hand says, but I'd be much more interested in what Ra had to say!

(02-03-2009, 01:04 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Another dangling thread I'm curious about: Ra said that the one known as Lucifer can be seen as the true light-bringer. Is there actually a being named Lucifer, or is it instead a principle/idea/concept?

Quote:Ra, Book IV, Session 84

Questioner:...It occurs to me that many statues or drawings of the one known as Lucifer or the Devil are shown with an erection. Is this a function of orange-ray blockage, and was this known in a minimal way by those who devised these statues and drawings?

Ra: I am Ra. There is, of course, much other distortion involved in a discussion of any mythic archetypical form. However, we may answer in the affirmative and note that you are perceptive.

(02-03-2009, 09:49 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: One thing I've never been clear on is whether Lucifer and Satan are supposed to be one entity or two. I have no problem thinking of Satan as evil. I believe the name comes from the Egyptian "Set". But it's hard to think of anyone whose name means light bringer as purely evil. (I hope that's not too blasphemous a thought for this forum.)

Quote:...Still, I do believe that is the underlying message from Ra about the equivalence between STS and STO. They are both sides of the same coin, with equal stature to the One Infinite Creator....

(01-09-2009, 01:42 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Oh! Another Law of confusion occurred to me. When Don was asking about the creation of the atomic bomb, Ra mentioned that most of the developers of the bomb were fairly polarized to STO, but said that there was one significant exception who he refrained from naming because he was still alive. It's funny, but the first time I read that, I immediately thought of Edward Teller (father of the Hydrogen bomb), who did recently die. It might be interesting to get a confirmation of that from Q'uo. In looking at Teller's life, it's certainly easy to place him in the STS role.

Quote:To this modest gathering have—we correct this
instrument—has come myriads of what you would
term inner planes and outer planes entities, which
flock to those places where light is being generated
by natives, shall we say, of your sphere in order both
to join in the joy of the experience and to lend their
limitless light to the light which, by your seeking
together, you have also begun to create yourselves.

Quote:For a great portion of your last major cycle of
75,000-plus years, those who have graduated to
fourth density have felt it necessary to defend their
polarity from the opposite polarity as if they were
still in third density. The entities involved in this
war are of the inner planes rather than coming from
outside the planet. Fourth-density wanderers are not
coming in to carry on this war. Rather, there are
entities coming in which, having reached
harvestability, have chosen not to go on to fourth
density but to remain in the inner planes of third
density.
Their awareness is that of fourth density, yet their
prejudices remain those of third density. So, they are
convinced that they must defend the souls of planet
Earth from negative polarity. Likewise, those who
have graduated in the negative sense see it as their
business to battle the light.

Quote:Session 78
These tools were of three kinds. Firstly, there was an awareness of the efficiency for experience of mind, body, and spirit. Secondly, there was an awareness of the most efficacious nature or, if you will, significator of mind, body, and spirit. Thirdly, there was the awareness of two aspects of mind, of body, and of spirit that the significator could use to balance all catalyst. You may call these two the matrix and the potentiator.

My interest is in the significator of the body. I interperet this as a Christ-like entity in that the sacrifice is about giving without the expectation of anything in return like the ultimate price.The indication is also given, I believe that the concepts and value of the incarnation live on.
I guess only the first seven (those of the mind) are detailed so we can try to unlock the rest over time in this forum.
Here's another one since I somewhat figured it out:
(I still don't see the quotation bubble above the chat box but I will keep trying.)


Ra: I am Ra. The original significators may undifferentiatedly be termed the mind, the body, and the spirit.

Questioner: Then we have, at the beginning of this galactic evolution, an archetypical mind that is the product of the previous octave which this galaxy then used as and acts upon under the first distortion so as to allow for what we experience as polarity. Was there any concept of polarity carried through from the previous octave in the sense of service-to-others or service-to-self polarity?

Ra: I am Ra. There was polarity in the sense of the mover and the moved. There was no polarity in the sense of service-to-self and service-to-others.

Now we see the significator before the veil being (innocently polarized) This I see as a state of balance, instinctually unblocked?
After looking at this it leads me to think this is where the blockage of previous incarnations would have sway also probably very vast in effect depending on the nature of the previous experience.

Quote:Session 92
Ra: I am Ra. The Potentiator of Mind and of Body are both involved in the questing of the infant for new experience. The mind/body/spirit complex which is an infant has one highly developed portion which may be best studied by viewing the Significators of Mind and Body. You notice we do not include the spirit. That portion of a mind/body/spirit complex is not reliably developed in each and every mind/body/spirit complex. Thusly the infant’s significant self, which is the harvest of biases of all previous incarnational experiences, offers to this infant biases with which to meet new experience