Quote:I don't see anything striving for balance. I don't see anything balancing. I don't see a "highest good" or even a seperate Creator. I see everything as the Creator. I see everything as already balanced and infinitely perfect.

(05-29-2013, 01:29 AM)TheEternal Wrote: Also, I will say that in no way do I enjoy the raw concept of murder and killing, it is not pleasant and, in my opinion, is not meant to be. That is the point of killing someone or something, to exert your absolute power upon its existence, to take life and death in to your hands and make you feel powerful. No matter how seemingly big or small the life is, it makes one feel powerful, and therefore safe and secure.

However, what I do understand is the thrill, the adrenaline, like a drug, and the vampiric absorption of another's life force. Truly killing a being is an act of great significance, as there is a lot of energy in a life, but to murder is to forfeit one's own life. When you kill another you kill part of yourself until all you are is the desire for death, for power.

We have to kill to survive, to eat, although that is also disputed, but murder is killing which is done for anything other than survival.

Can I ask you, Adonai One, have you ever killed anyone/anything or been to war?

(05-29-2013, 01:32 AM)TheEternal Wrote:

Quote:I don't see anything striving for balance. I don't see anything balancing. I don't see a "highest good" or even a seperate Creator. I see everything as the Creator. I see everything as already balanced and infinitely perfect.

So, what are you going to do with your infinite time?

(05-29-2013, 01:33 AM)TheEternal Wrote: Also, you are using the word illusion a lot. What does that word mean to you?

(05-29-2013, 01:38 AM)TheEternal Wrote: Doesn't the truth of infinity include non-sense? I am confused, you say you strive to love all things, but don't love non-sense? Aha

(05-29-2013, 01:39 AM)Adonai One Wrote:

(05-29-2013, 01:38 AM)TheEternal Wrote: Doesn't the truth of infinity include non-sense? I am confused, you say you strive to love all things, but don't love non-sense? Aha

I love that I love that I don't love non-sense.

(05-29-2013, 01:32 AM)TheEternal Wrote:

Quote:I don't see anything striving for balance. I don't see anything balancing. I don't see a "highest good" or even a seperate Creator. I see everything as the Creator. I see everything as already balanced and infinitely perfect.

So, what are you going to do with your infinite time?

(05-29-2013, 01:37 AM)xise Wrote: Adonai One, if you, hypothetically speaking, loved both:
(1) all consciousness/entities (which I agree with) as well as
(2) all actions (which I disagree with loving all actions in their entirety),

What would you do when if another self encouraged and wanted you to do the action of murder?

Would you do so? Why or why not?

(05-29-2013, 01:39 AM)xise Wrote:

(05-29-2013, 01:39 AM)Adonai One Wrote:

(05-29-2013, 01:38 AM)TheEternal Wrote: Doesn't the truth of infinity include non-sense? I am confused, you say you strive to love all things, but don't love non-sense? Aha

I love that I love that I don't love non-sense.

That's still not loving non-sense itself though.

(05-29-2013, 01:43 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Why don't I murder? Because I would probably not sleep at night and go insane.

(05-29-2013, 01:46 AM)TheEternal Wrote: You are making amusing loopholes for yourself.

(05-29-2013, 01:25 AM)Adonai One Wrote: All that I argue is that if all things are in unity inherently and that even seperation itself as a concept is within this unity, the duality doesn't truly exist. I argue that duality is an illusion. The concept of distortion is just as illusive as the concept of illusion itself.

I don't see anything striving for balance. I don't see anything balancing. I don't see a "highest good" or even a seperate Creator. I see everything as the Creator. I see everything as already balanced and infinitely perfect.

(05-29-2013, 01:48 AM)Adonai One Wrote:

(05-29-2013, 01:46 AM)TheEternal Wrote: You are making amusing loopholes for yourself.

You call them loopholes. I call them the inherent paradoxes of this illusion.

(05-29-2013, 01:49 AM)anagogy Wrote:

(05-29-2013, 01:25 AM)Adonai One Wrote: All that I argue is that if all things are in unity inherently and that even seperation itself as a concept is within this unity, the duality doesn't truly exist. I argue that duality is an illusion. The concept of distortion is just as illusive as the concept of illusion itself.

I don't see anything striving for balance. I don't see anything balancing. I don't see a "highest good" or even a seperate Creator. I see everything as the Creator. I see everything as already balanced and infinitely perfect.

My point was that there is the intellectual understanding of "illusion", and there is the visceral understanding of illusion.

Many, especially those on this forum, have that intellectual understanding, but if they had the visceral understanding, they would not even be incarnate on this density, myself included.

Everything is an illusion, sure, but I still have to deal with action and reaction (i.e. balance).

I just stubbed my toe. It hurt. Everything's perfect, sure, but I've still got to deal with this world. See my point?

(05-29-2013, 01:46 AM)xise Wrote:

(05-29-2013, 01:43 AM)Adonai One Wrote: Why don't I murder? Because I would probably not sleep at night and go insane.

Love is a vibration my friend. True understanding of love is not of the mind, it is of the heart. If you truly loved murder, you would have no problems sleeping and not going insane.

Perhaps you are exploring this topic as you are trying to decide, at the level of the mind, what the unity of love encompasses. But clearly, if you have trouble sleeping over an action, you cannot be anywhere close to loving it, because obviously your heart disagrees.

My advice if you are indeed exploring the unity of love, is move from your mind, to your heart. It speaks much more coherently on this subject than the mind ever can.

(05-29-2013, 01:54 AM)Adonai One Wrote: I see your point and I agree except for your point on incarnation: Some wander. Many here have migrated from the unity of 6th density to here. Densities aren't grade levels. They are creations open for whatever use and whatever purpose.

(05-29-2013, 01:57 AM)TheEternal Wrote: Then what's all that stuff Ra says about graduation and needing to be able to hold certain degrees of light to function in each density?

(05-29-2013, 02:03 AM)TheEternal Wrote: So as long as you've done it once, you never have to again? Doesn't every part of the oversoul have to make the journey?

Quote:The heart alone acts without wisdom and it will try to love in such a discriminate direction it begins to reject a lot and even one's true intentions.

(05-29-2013, 01:58 AM)anagogy Wrote:

(05-29-2013, 01:54 AM)Adonai One Wrote: I see your point and I agree except for your point on incarnation: Some wander. Many here have migrated from the unity of 6th density to here. Densities aren't grade levels. They are creations open for whatever use and whatever purpose.

I never said they were grade levels. But even a wanderer takes upon themselves distortion in order to operate in this reality. A 3rd density activated wanderer is no different from a native 3rd density as far as distortion is concerned. That is, until after the agreed amount of time of "wandering", at which point, they are allowed to "remember" what they've learned or transcended.

(05-29-2013, 02:03 AM)TheEternal Wrote: So as long as you've done it once, you never have to again? Doesn't every part of the oversoul have to make the journey?

(05-29-2013, 02:04 AM)xise Wrote:

Quote:The heart alone acts without wisdom and it will try to love in such a discriminate direction it begins to reject a lot and even one's true intentions.

I've only ever heard of the folly of the bright green without blue/indigo resulting in martyrdom.

Quote:Exactly and even martyrdom isn't an act of true universal love.

(05-29-2013, 02:12 AM)xise Wrote:

Quote:Exactly and even martyrdom isn't an act of true universal love.

I disagree.

Obviously, it depends on the example of martrydom. But let's take Jesus - his was an act of universal love, it just lacks wisdom for there are other paths that could also increase universal love while maintaining the life of the martyr. I don't think his martyrdom stemmed from a weak red or orange or yellow in his case, I think it's from a lack of blue/indigo, which was also implied from Ra.

(05-29-2013, 02:16 AM)Adonai One Wrote: The real question is can an entity discover the love that exists in all things without wisdom?

Quote:10.14 Questioner: For general development [of the] reader of this book, could you state some of the practices or exercises to perform to produce an acceleration toward the Law of One?
Ra: I am Ra.

Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and usable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions. The first attempt is the cornerstone. Upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. The third seeking powers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. As with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. However, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.

Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.

Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.

Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit.