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RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - hogey11 - 03-28-2013
(03-28-2013, 03:55 PM)Not Sure Wrote: We still do have 700-900 years of conventional 3rd D remaining on Earth folks until all souls incarnated, disincarnated, and wanting to incarnate on this sphere have had a chance and we pack up the show and move somewhere else.
Quote:40.8 Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth density?
Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period.
This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.
I think the last line is something often overlooked. Did Ra know that the population would double over the last 30 years of cycle? Where did all these additional souls come from?
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Adonai One - 03-29-2013
All over the universe from other third-density planets. They'll go to other places in the universe after third-density life ceases if it successfully does. Freewill is paramount after all.
Ra only gives possibilities, not prophecy.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - kdsii - 03-29-2013
Yeah, from what I understand, the population surge is kind of a last-ditch effort for those from all around to graduate, as well as those who want to help.
I've read from another source that a 3rd density planet is optimal at 500k inhabitants, and not meant to be booked past that. (Interesting idea, anyway)
In our scenario, we have so much tampering, experimentation, mixes of groups from past failures, etc.
In that sense, this time in history is quite a spectacle, and definitely not the norm. Makes sense to me, this way, anyway
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - hogey11 - 03-29-2013
You don't think they may be wanderers here to help with the harvest and make the polarities more apparent and help to push the planet over the edge towards its 4D+ nature post harvest?
Where have these population growths happened? What are the conditions there? RA also spoke of wanderers coming to 'see' the harvest, as it's a bit of a spectacle for higher density beings. Considering 6D entities can incarnate as multiple wanderers at once (no singular identity as they are social memory complex), maybe we have a lot more help than we realize. Also, many of these wanderers are here as 'passive radiators' to help lift the vibrational energy of the planet. If we are shooting to jump to a 4D+ planet, this may be part of the catalyst of this change as well (imo)
Also, RA says that 3D souls that do not graduate need to repeat the 3D cycle... does 'repeat' mean they can piggyback at the last second on another planet's harvest point? They could be souls from other planets, but are there that many other planets that hit their own harvest points in the last 30 years alone? I feel there are too many factors that must align for that to be true. I think the wanderer option is much more valid (or a bit of both).
Regardless, if the wanderer quotient has risen more than Ra thought it would, it could mean the transition period might be quicker than first thought. This might be the reason behind the 'volatility of your peoples' quote; the line can slide quite easily depending on how things would play out over the next 30 years.
I will try to find some quotes on how non-graduated souls are treated, but I don't think it's very feasible in such a short window that they would all come from elsewhere. Remember, Maldek alone accounts for less than a billion souls. Same with Mars. 3.5 Billion extra souls is no small thing.... unless you are 6th density
Quote:I've read from another source that a 3rd density planet is optimal at 500k inhabitants, and not meant to be booked past that.
Do wanderers account for this quota or are they left outside of it? I believe Ra left wanderers out of their 'soul numbers' when speaking of earth as they are not here to graduate... i'd have to dig that up tho.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - darklight - 03-31-2013
(03-27-2013, 02:13 PM)greywolf Wrote: Earth is already 4th Density in nature. We are still 3rd density in nature, and this is the disconnect we all experience. We are 3D beings in a 4D world; not much of it is apparent to us nor does it make sense to us.
The space time is fourth density, this doesn't mean the Earth is fourth density at this time.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - hogey11 - 03-31-2013
(03-31-2013, 07:28 AM)darklight Wrote: The space time is fourth density, this doesn't mean the Earth is fourth density at this time.
Quote:40.11 Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase in vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage of the way through this increase of vibration are we right now?
Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level.
I would disagree. It is planetary consciousness which is still 3D (life on earth), but not the earth itself anymore... We now have to catch up (change our ways/transition) from the 'old way' of doing things before planetary consciousness matches the vibratory nature of the planet.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - zenmaster - 03-31-2013
Patterns of personal or collective mind may or may not resonate with the non-personal, local vibratory frequency. The earth, as "planetary mind" or logos, is wholly dependent upon its inhabitants in order to have anything meaningful expressed about provided "4D" frequencies. One can't become congruent with that frequency range without having established a prior integration of self up to that range.
It seems that many people greatly misunderstand what this integration entails. A higher "core" vibration comes from integrating aspects of self in this human condition - i.e. personal, social, psychological - and not from working directly on doing exercises to manipulate and experience circumstantial chakra energies. That is, an awareness of the flow of energies does nothing to increase awareness about self (and thus prepare self for higher vibration) except to signal to awareness that a certain confronted condition is not in balance.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - xise - 03-31-2013
(03-31-2013, 12:00 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Patterns of personal or collective mind may or may not resonate with the non-personal, local vibratory frequency. The earth, as "planetary mind" or logos, is wholly dependent upon its inhabitants in order to have anything meaningful expressed about provided "4D" frequencies. One can't become congruent with that frequency range without having established a prior integration of self up to that range.
It seems that many people greatly misunderstand what this integration entails. A higher "core" vibration comes from integrating aspects of self in this human condition - i.e. personal, social, psychological - and not from working directly on doing exercises to manipulate and experience circumstantial chakra energies. That is, an awareness of the flow of energies does nothing to increase awareness about self (and thus prepare self for higher vibration) except to signal to awareness that a certain confronted condition is not in balance.
Agreed. The chakras are a feedback system. Working on them directly seems much less useful then balancing the concepts they entail.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Peregrinus - 04-02-2013
Other than work within, all experience is distraction, up to the point of attained and maintained enlightenment.
That is my perspective. I accept your perspective may be different.
I therefore allow my self the simple pleasure of conversing within this theatre, with you each and all, my other self.
There shall be no cupcakes, for cupcakes are a third density manifestation serving no purpose in any higher planes.
There shall be rainbows, as many as are manifest by our brothers of 1st density, water and air, or by you if you choose it to be so.
I see those seeking answers still, so I shall place within you some thoughts. Mother Earth is fourth density. The populace is mostly third density, with some of duel activated third and fourth bodies.
Over the next 100 to 150 years, the third density populace continue with a natural expiration rate. However, there will be a sharp decline in the number of populace due to the efforts of our dear service to self brothers which has already come to pass. The reduction of populace serves the purpose of removal of a great number which are not yet ready to "graduate", as it were, into fourth density.
All is perfect. All is well.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - kainous - 04-13-2013
(03-28-2013, 02:43 PM)kdsii Wrote: 4th density WILL be cupcakes, rainbows, unicorns (quadracorns?) and fairies for me.
Alicorns maybe? Have you been watching MLP? In some ways, it almost appears to be 4D in a way.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - reeay - 04-16-2013
The 4D meme - it's still 3D.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - AnthroHeart - 04-16-2013
(04-02-2013, 12:20 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: The reduction of populace serves the purpose of removal of a great number which are not yet ready to "graduate", as it were, into fourth density.
All is perfect. All is well.
That goes against the theory that we have all already been harvested, those that are still alive today. With all the violence still abounding, I believe that not everyone is harvestable to 4D.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Ashim - 04-16-2013
Those who 'leave' their physical body will indeed be included in the Harvest. It's just that they require the somewhat excellerated learning of the time/space experience prior to graduation.
If you are 'here and now' in the physical, regardless of knowledge of the LOO then you are most certainly 4d.
Even some of the most dark personalities are also included. This can be difficult for many to see right know.
Just think for one moment - where were you spiritually 20 odd years ago?
I was SO asleep!
Now imagine this progress for some souls that you may consider 'pure evil'.
They will make it too.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Adonai One - 04-16-2013
Ashim, what you are saying is not consistent with Ra's material. Are you aware of this?
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Parsons - 04-16-2013
Which part? You are aware that you can be harvested in the negative or 'evil' sense, Adonai?
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Adonai One - 04-16-2013
(04-16-2013, 06:58 PM)Parsons Wrote: Which part? You are aware that you can be harvested in the negative or 'evil' sense, Adonai?Of course but that's very hard to attain except for the most dedicated of service-to-self entities. Most service-to-self people will not be harvested negatively.
My correction: A good majority of people on Earth will go to another third-density planet when humanity ceases to exist. A large amount of people are harvestable but not all. We are not all 4d.
It seems I may have misunderstood Ashim.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - AnthroHeart - 04-16-2013
Just saw scenes from Eight Below which made me cry, set to some sad music. I don't know in 4D if we'll have beloved pets that we end up losing to death. I dread the day that my pets pass on. And if we have pets in 4D, do we fully understand there is no separation even after death? To where we no longer lose that connection with those we were close to.
Here's what I watched if you want to shed some tears: http://www.wimp.com/christmasfriendship/
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - untilbeyond - 05-13-2013
"I wonder how 4th density negative ends up serving the Creator."
The average polarization on earth prior to 12/21 was less than 51% positive, so earth has been third density negative for a long time. It might still be less than 51% on average, so we could still be classified as third density negative.
Without the abuse from 4D negative earth could be very positive.
The adversarial dynamics create challenge. The challenges are there to be overcome. Most of us humanoids have fallen in one way or another as a result of these challenges, and then we had to recover and learn how to integrate our higher nature when society was pressuring us to hide our heads in the sand.
Humans need to see the influence of both HD plus and minus and then find themselves in both and gradually select a preference. How could humans learn anything without the simultaneous influence of both HD plus and minus? Isn't that how they serve the creator? Their adversarial influence stimulates evolution.
Their influence also adds a lot of dimension to all art forms. Great music includes dark themes, and the negatives have contributed to music art and dance.
Case in point: The Godfather movies.... or the Sopranos... as a most obvious example where art was imitating life that was also imitating art.
I could never figure out why I hated Richard Wagner so much. Then I journeyed into my experience on HD negative as composer droid. Long story.... the punch line is how the negatives are often overly passionate
about their art. A lot of them adore Wagner. I already hated Wagner before I was born as I had an association between really shitty classical music with HD negative anti-consciousness. If I need to trigger my human shadow, I only need to play crappy classical music.
Rakshasas were the demonic kingdom ancient India. Rakshasas were advanced with music. I think a lot of them have graduated from rakshasha to human, and some have helped develop rock music. Progressive rock delves into dark themes, and it's entertaining the way
R rated movies can be entertaining. Heavy metal is often dark and I don't care for it. However, some people find heavy metal useful for getting connected to their anger.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - GentleReckoning - 05-13-2013
(03-27-2013, 04:34 PM)hogey11 Wrote:Quote:To me it seems you contradict yourself, on one hand it's a "goal" set by some sub-Logos on the other hand change depends on personal change.
All is one, my friend. All work in concert with another on behalf of the One Infinite Creator.
I don't mean to characterize the sub-logos as having goals or being in control in any way. According to Ra, the reason earth will become a 4D positive planet is because it was decided as much by the Council of Saturn, or by the beings who abide in the realms above our own. In terms of negative polarization on earth, we have to remember there have only been a handful of harvestable STS entities on this planet over the entire 3D cycle, and we're talking about the baddest mofos that ever lived. Genghis Khan was apparently one of these; today, 1 in 200 men are direct descendants of him due to his rape and pillage copulation habits; he was known to make his enemies eat their own body parts under his capitivity; he nearly took over the entire known world at one point. This is a harvestable STS entity. Who fits that bill today? If any, there can only be a few. Why then would we argue that Earth might turn 4D negative when there are only a handful of entities from our history that could ever steer it that way in the first place? We are 'slated' to become 4D positive because our playground doesn't support that level of progression for negative STS entities in the first place. We will become either a 4D+ society, or the planet will experience a cataclysm in protest of us and our vibrational energies (if we go by Ra's teachings). 4D- is just not in the cards for Planet Earth.
You underestimate how simple it would be to harvest STS. Potentially, one could simply view every other self as a potential source power. Simply lie whenever you won't get caught. Manipulate people to serve you by allowing them to care about you. Fake love so that they are willing to give you more. Cheat as often as you safely can, steal as often as you safely can. Maintain your physical body so that you can intimidate and lead others more easily.
You don't even need to cause that much harm. While I was clearing out some stuff, I went through a 2-3 hour period of attempting to harvest sts. It's pretty straightforward.
If your anger at life is greater than your love for others, it's all the motivation you need. If you're a psychopath, and can't empathize (feel love) for others, it's probably the easiest thing in the world.
(03-31-2013, 02:57 PM)xise Wrote:(03-31-2013, 12:00 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Patterns of personal or collective mind may or may not resonate with the non-personal, local vibratory frequency. The earth, as "planetary mind" or logos, is wholly dependent upon its inhabitants in order to have anything meaningful expressed about provided "4D" frequencies. One can't become congruent with that frequency range without having established a prior integration of self up to that range.
It seems that many people greatly misunderstand what this integration entails. A higher "core" vibration comes from integrating aspects of self in this human condition - i.e. personal, social, psychological - and not from working directly on doing exercises to manipulate and experience circumstantial chakra energies. That is, an awareness of the flow of energies does nothing to increase awareness about self (and thus prepare self for higher vibration) except to signal to awareness that a certain confronted condition is not in balance.
Agreed. The chakras are a feedback system. Working on them directly seems much less useful then balancing the concepts they entail.
Working on the chakras can manifest the distortions (or highlight them for you) in your environment so that you can clear them.
I wonder if you could 'energize' a chakra if you knew that you were going to be facing a certain type of catalyst that you were having trouble choosing love through. That might be one of the more useful applications to simple chakra work.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Jamie35 - 05-15-2013
All the positive thinking & moving towards service to others can not prepare us for what awaits our soon to be reality in 4th density. It is not going to be a pretty transition even for the positive. Starting a new existence, new understandings, explorations, technologies, & self conscience.
The possibility exists that we are going to be at war in with the Zeta Reticulins as they are going to attempt to control us & takeover the Earth in 4th density.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - zenmaster - 06-06-2013
(05-15-2013, 08:40 PM)Jamie35 Wrote: The possibility exists that we are going to be at war in with the Zeta Reticulins as they are going to attempt to control us & takeover the Earth in 4th density.Not if we yield to their greatness and join their glorious empire.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - reeay - 06-06-2013
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Aloneness - 06-07-2013
(06-06-2013, 09:31 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-15-2013, 08:40 PM)Jamie35 Wrote: The possibility exists that we are going to be at war in with the Zeta Reticulins as they are going to attempt to control us & takeover the Earth in 4th density.Not if we yield to their greatness and join their glorious empire.
What do you mean by their greatness?
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - zenmaster - 06-07-2013
(06-07-2013, 06:17 AM)Aloneness Wrote:Well the recognition of our masters' dominance and general superiority in all realms of existence. Through that greatness, with the aid of the Illuminati handlers, we have been allowed us to lead our meager lives here. Slowly advancing to the point where we can choose a better way. Once we recognize and understand that obvious fact and not attempt resistance there will be no war. Submission and obedience under their more enlightened, true law requires no war only glorious servitude under true and universal might.(06-06-2013, 09:31 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-15-2013, 08:40 PM)Jamie35 Wrote: The possibility exists that we are going to be at war in with the Zeta Reticulins as they are going to attempt to control us & takeover the Earth in 4th density.Not if we yield to their greatness and join their glorious empire.
What do you mean by their greatness?
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Aloneness - 06-07-2013
(06-07-2013, 07:44 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-07-2013, 06:17 AM)Aloneness Wrote:Well the recognition of our masters' dominance and general superiority in all realms of existence. Through that greatness, with the aid of the Illuminati handlers, we have been allowed us to lead our meager lives here. Slowly advancing to the point where we can choose a better way. Once we recognize and understand that obvious fact and not attempt resistance there will be no war. Submission and obedience under their more enlightened, true law requires no war only glorious servitude under true and universal might.(06-06-2013, 09:31 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-15-2013, 08:40 PM)Jamie35 Wrote: The possibility exists that we are going to be at war in with the Zeta Reticulins as they are going to attempt to control us & takeover the Earth in 4th density.Not if we yield to their greatness and join their glorious empire.
What do you mean by their greatness?
What exactly do you mean by 'more' enlightened, 'true' law?
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - zenmaster - 06-07-2013
(06-07-2013, 08:02 AM)Aloneness Wrote: What exactly do you mean by 'more' enlightened, 'true' law?More as in greater than. True as in that which is genuine as oppose to false and foolhardy.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Hototo - 06-07-2013
(06-07-2013, 07:44 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-07-2013, 06:17 AM)Aloneness Wrote:Well the recognition of our masters' dominance and general superiority in all realms of existence. Through that greatness, with the aid of the Illuminati handlers, we have been allowed us to lead our meager lives here. Slowly advancing to the point where we can choose a better way. Once we recognize and understand that obvious fact and not attempt resistance there will be no war. Submission and obedience under their more enlightened, true law requires no war only glorious servitude under true and universal might.(06-06-2013, 09:31 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-15-2013, 08:40 PM)Jamie35 Wrote: The possibility exists that we are going to be at war in with the Zeta Reticulins as they are going to attempt to control us & takeover the Earth in 4th density.Not if we yield to their greatness and join their glorious empire.
What do you mean by their greatness?
Someone is trollingz hard
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Jamie35 - 06-13-2013
(06-07-2013, 08:42 AM)Not Sure Wrote:Well this is the first time I've seen that reply, you see I have been kind of busy gathering materials & feeling a great joy doing something. Especially when I heard a voice in meditation tell me "push." Since then its been all go & do.(06-07-2013, 07:44 AM)zenmaster Wrote:(06-07-2013, 06:17 AM)Aloneness Wrote:Well the recognition of our masters' dominance and general superiority in all realms of existence. Through that greatness, with the aid of the Illuminati handlers, we have been allowed us to lead our meager lives here. Slowly advancing to the point where we can choose a better way. Once we recognize and understand that obvious fact and not attempt resistance there will be no war. Submission and obedience under their more enlightened, true law requires no war only glorious servitude under true and universal might.(06-06-2013, 09:31 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(05-15-2013, 08:40 PM)Jamie35 Wrote: The possibility exists that we are going to be at war in with the Zeta Reticulins as they are going to attempt to control us & takeover the Earth in 4th density.Not if we yield to their greatness and join their glorious empire.
What do you mean by their greatness?
Someone is trollingz hard
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - Peregrinus - 06-14-2013
So it is easy to be harvested 4th density by acting like a 12 year old boy? I would suggest, for your consideration, that is somewhat naive.
If one can kill 10,000 people before breakfast and feel good about them self, that is a beginning, for almost total and utter disregard for other-self is required. It requires the consciousness of disciplined apathy, lower triad ray focus in the orange and yellow, culminating in extraordinary communication skills and control manifest through blue ray. Every harvested negative entity worked towards their polarity for many lifetimes. Even in one life Genghis Khan meditated in prison for more than a decade. Hitler and Himmler took decades to cause the harm they were able to do. Rasputin likewise.
This is not so simple a thing.
RE: I think the shocker will be that 4th density isn't cupcakes and rainbows... - zenmaster - 06-14-2013
(06-14-2013, 12:15 AM)Peregrinus Wrote: So it is easy to be harvested 4th density by acting like a 12 year old boy?Yes, in fact. If one had a violet ray which had appropriate balance, any "acting" would be rather inconsequential.