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RE: spiral lights in norway - Monica - 12-11-2009
(12-11-2009, 01:07 AM)Questioner Wrote: It was amazing to see the depth of fear. Their headlines gave these messages: Be afraid of the violent government that oppresses you; after all, you're a victim. Be angry about popular online services that violate your privacy rights; after all, you're a victim. Be terrified and hopeless about the evil elites destroying the middle class: after all, you're a helpless victim. Be terrified of those who misuse science for their evil policies that make you a victim. By the way, there was a spiral in the sky in Norway, just a bad rocket from those evil government, don't waste more time here when there's a need to feel scared about how economics and mass media make you a victim.
Wow, that is so true!!! That's exactly how a mindset of fear interprets the world! That's so wild that people are so willing to give their power over to other humans (or aliens in human bodies or whatever). I mean, look at this logically: We have stunning geometric designs in our fields, we see a stunning display in the sky, and they'd rather believe evil humans did it? Which is more logical: benevolent, advanced aliens or humans who tend to fumble?
Taken at face value, the crop circles and this spiral are awe-inspiring, not fear-inducing. Why take something so beautiful and turn it into something negative and fearful?
I showed these better videos to my son (who said the pix were photoshopped) and he scrutinized them and gave them his stamp of approval - no photoshopping on the videos!! (A moment of triumph for Mom, ha!) He is an objectivist-agnostic and a Carl Sagan fan...he thinks some alien teenagers were out for a joy ride and probably got into trouble for scaring the humans.
RE: spiral lights in norway - Ali Quadir - 12-11-2009
As a side note: The stills that look fake are actually long disclosure shots. They capture more light over time and this makes them look a bit surreal. But they seem legit to me. Especially because there are multiple sources of images. It's not just one guy. Others used normal cameras and they show much fainter activity.
RE: spiral lights in norway - Monica - 12-11-2009
(12-11-2009, 11:37 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: The stills that look fake are actually long disclosure shots.
Oh, that helps! Thanks! I will tell him.
RE: spiral lights in norway - 3D Sunset - 12-11-2009
(12-11-2009, 11:37 AM)Ali Quadir Wrote: As a side note: The stills that look fake are actually long disclosure shots. They capture more light over time and this makes them look a bit surreal. But they seem legit to me. Especially because there are multiple sources of images. It's not just one guy. Others used normal cameras and they show much fainter activity.
Hi Ali. This struck me as an entertaining Freudian Slip. Didn't you mean, long exposure?
Love and Light (at least enough for a short disclosure)
3D Sunset
RE: spiral lights in norway - fairyfarmgirl - 12-11-2009
Word on the Conspiracy Alleys is it is HAARP and Nuclear Weapons... Totally irrelevant.... It is only truly discernable by the HEART... all the rest in just little truths and ego dramas. For Good Grief... I really wish the World would stop for a moment... put down their weapons of words and war and FEEL what their HEARTS are saying... PEACE
--fairyfarmgirl
RE: spiral lights in norway - Bring4th_Steve - 12-11-2009
Not sure if anyone caught this yet, but this is the first channeled text that I've seen about the Norway Spiral. It's from Matthew, channeled by Suzanne Ward. If anyone has read Matthew, it is entirely love-based, and matches other sources of love-based channeling. Here's what the Matthew group said:
"Matthew says this is the most profound sign yet from our brothers and sisters in other civilizations that the time is nearing for their presence to be properly acknowledged -- there is no way that those who do not want that to happen can explain away this dramatic sign. The overall spiral represents the unbroken interconnectedness of all souls from our Beginnings in the light -- the intense light at the center -- and the blue spiral aimed at Earth is the most forceful evidence to date of their desire for us to consciously connect with them in the same spirit they have come. The timing and location are significant, selected to mark the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Obama for his vision and dedication to achieving world peace and to indicate that they are here to assist us reach this goal."
Love, Light and a bright future lie just ahead!
Thought that was cool, and it validates my original thoughts that this was never a man-made event!
Take care,
Steve
RE: spiral lights in norway - ayadew - 12-11-2009
Wow, awesome
If there are more stuff like this in the near future I bet some really wild stuff is gonna happen soon
More on Steve's http://lightworkers.org/channeling/94619/matthew-message-special-addendum-turning-tide-history-3
"I heard, out of the blue, while I was in a very high state of soul/God attunement with all other souls reaching out together to welcome our soul family from abroad, near the end of this past Sunday's focus meditation, a voice suddenly popping into my consciousness and stating firmly: "Access Granted" which - in a nutshell - I understood as being the response from our larger galactic soul family confirming that we have reached collective mass awakening in sufficient numbers and quality to be formally acknowledged as ready for first global contacts with and integration into the Galactic Light Federation - it was also signaling our global ascension process is well underway. It felt like an important threshold had been crossed..."
RE: spiral lights in norway - artichoke - 12-11-2009
After talking with a friend, here's the most mundane explanation I could come up with: it's a Russian rocket all right. But instead of being a failure, it's a success! They are showing off their new technology for pinpoint guidance and control of a rocket or other flying object. It's a military air-show so that people start to respect Russian weaponry and military capabilities.
It's certainly not a failure in the normal sense. Things don't fail so beautifully and regularly, just like random mutations don't actually produce successful ecological adaptations and more complex ordered biological systems.
RE: spiral lights in norway - Lavazza - 12-11-2009
Hmm, well, after watching the videos over and over again, and reading a few other news articles, I think this is actually probably a malfunctioning rocket of some kind. The Russians denied launching it at first because they only like to talk about successful launches- of course this being such a visible failure they were forced to take responsibility.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2009/1210/norway-spiral-a-rocket-scientist-explains-the-mystery
Russia confirms:
http://www.barentsobserver.com/russia-confirms-failed-missile-launch.4663955-116320.html
I was really let down to read these things of course, but to me at least they seem plausible. At least as plausible as the more interesting (and my preferred) ET explanation. True that there are some elements of this display that seem to defy common sense such as the way the spiral 'arms' radiate out so far and evenly, but then again these missles reach extremely high altitudes where exhaust like that may behave differently.
Well, who knows. Following my adopted preference towards the unknown, I will leave it open for any explanation.
What we do know FOR SURE is that it was beautiful, and inspirational, maybe it will even prompt a few individuals to begin researching UFOs and eventually 'wake up' as we say. Also, the fact that every major news media outlet picked up on this right away is very telling. It proves that if something amazing happened such as a huge 'federation of light' type craft were to enter the atmosphere and call the attention of an entire city, the news would NOT ignore it. I had assumed previously that they would in much the same way as happened in Phoenix in '97. (further speculating, maybe ET's purposefully manipulated the Russian rocket in just such a way as to create this sort of display, to see how we would react? Now that is actually a very interesting train of thought..!)
RE: spiral lights in norway - fairyfarmgirl - 12-11-2009
Good Greetings All:
Look with your HEART instead of YOUR EYES and your Fallible HUMAN MIND... The Sirians are HERE now With the opening of the Star GATE... They are here to Assist us during this transition. They are here on behalf of the EARTH and all Lightworkers. Listen with your HEART... This is what Lady ISIS says: Norway UFO . . .
It was an IFO . . . Identified Flying Object . . . Identified by Archangel Michael . . . it was a Sirian Ship. The media is controlled and only tells us what they want us to hear. I got goose-bumps when I read the article and saw the photo before sending it out and "knew it was true." I later checked with Archangel Michael.
Don't always believe what you hear in the mainstream media go with "your own inner guidance." They won't tell the truth about the sighting in Norway anymore than they did about Roswell, New Mexico.
The time for using conspiracies to divide ourselves into us and them has to end... it is time for HUMANITY to begin to work as ONE.
fairyfarmgirl
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - Peregrinus - 12-12-2009
I agree that I trust the media to tell the truth as much as I would trust a habitual liar, as both are the one and the same. As being trained in interrogation techniques, I would suggest that the more details they provide, the less likely their story is true. Just as a liar continues to add things with detail to their story, so does the media.
One thing I notice to be errant in their story is the lack of a smoke trail following the trajectory of the "rocket" which they claim it was. Every rocket I saw in the video Steve posted showed a very clear smoke trail. Secondly, I think we all know what happens when rockets leak fuel. They don't expel it in a pretty light show; they BLOW UP into little pieces. Rocket fuel is somewhat flammable (understatement).
Discounting that as a typical lie, I have come to the conclusion that it was either space based or earth based. My question is, can anyone post a link of the area for a Google map? I'd like to see what is on the other side of that well lit up mountain where the blue beam met earth.
Looking at the medieval picture, it is a very similar thing, but where was that sighting?
At any rate, no matter what I "think" or how this scientific mind of mine works, my higher self tells me in the affirmative that it was as fairyfarmgirl suggests.
I have discussed aliens with several people as of late, and all have told me they find it ludicrous to think we are alone in the universe, so I wonder why disclosure is being stalled and stalled. We all know it will happen, but why not just put it out? Of course, getting mainstream media to say such a thing would be detrimental, so it will have to be done some other way...
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - peelstreetguy - 12-12-2009
After looking and watching over and over again, I don't think it was a rocket.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - Bring4th_Steve - 12-12-2009
I think we've seen enough higher-dimensional material channeled by respected sources to know it is no longer a rocket. Too many people are still believers of the mainstream media and their logic instead of listening from the heart and determining whether they resonate with it or not.
For those that believe it's a rocket still... Did you know this happened in China as well? And no one ever admitted to rockets being launched.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/3863333/china_spiral_ufo_same_as_norway/
Hmm! Seems very similar, doesn't it? And it was shown that event was not a rocket.
Use your hearts, folks! The media is very powerful, and they will fabricate any evidence they want to make you believe. I'm sure we'll see more of these events to make it more than obvious that these are events that are beyond human.
Steve
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - peelstreetguy - 12-12-2009
If it was a rocket, it would be pretty easy for the Russians to prove it. They must have filmed the entire flight of the rocket. If they were to show the film to the world of the flight from beginning to end, it would be proof that it was a rocket.
I still don't think it was a rocket.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - Peregrinus - 12-12-2009
According to: http://www.epdlp.com/cuadro.php?id=2349 the medieval picture was from 1486, as one can see in the bottom right of the picture.
The Latin means:
Libertas = Liberty/ Freedom/ Independence
Ecclesiastica = Church
I would suggest that what this painting was supposed to show was the freedom found in the light of God and the teachings of the church, and the light shining down was supposed to represent the light of God.
I would therefore conclude this painting is meaningless in regards to what happened over Norway, as it shows something completely different in both meaning and context.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - Peregrinus - 12-12-2009
Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14f7cosjR9w
And this, the same thing from 2007.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGrRTdolTv4&feature=player_embedded#
Also, check out the crop circle at the end of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIg5eczY5Ms
I believe if we come to the conclusion as that which the swirl was not, the remaining choice must be that which it is.
Then I find more evidence of the HAARP facility again...
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - Monica - 12-13-2009
(12-12-2009, 07:40 PM)Peregrinus Wrote: Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14f7cosjR9w
Oh wow! That's even more amazing, in the sense that it's obviously not any sort of man-made anything...I mean, a pyramid?
Although, that newsguy did have a good point...if the image were real, then why didn't the public report it? Did they?
Could be a hoax, to indicate ships slipping thru the wormhole...?
This guy's got a good point:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message941278/pg1
Quote:How many times are you stuck in traffic and then as the traffic frees up you see a car accident on the other side of the highway. You realize it was just a******* slowing down to get a good look at it.
You can bet your bottom dollar if there was a huge pyramid whirling in the air over Moscow, traffic would be at a dead standstill and everybody would be out of their cars pointing their cell phone cameras at it and taking pictures.
Also Moscow is a major city, there would have been at least 1000 video clips uploaded of this event.
This guy says the China incident happened in 1988...!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI7a5OmUq0U
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - ayadew - 12-13-2009
Archangel Metatron on the subject
http://www.ashtarcommandcrew.net/forum/topics/message-from-metatron
This spiral of light in the sky is an opening through a portal. This is the beginning of the
Cosmic Burst of Love StarGate Portal Opening. [...] Everyone will be able to feel the effects of love and bliss
pouring out over the Planet. It will be in this extremely high energy where miracles will
occur. This is a dispensation and it is the largest burst of love energy to be emitted to Earth
in all her history. We have been bringing a message to Earth regarding changes in the
financial, political, and religious sectors. This is the Celestial Sign you have been waiting to
see. Decloakings cannot occur until we have PEACE. This burst of Cosmic Love entering
through StarGate Portal Opening, pictured here, is the bringer of Peace.
Obama's Nobel Prize speech - Questioner - 12-13-2009
Video and full text available at: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/obama-lecture.html
I've extracted and highlighted the parts that I think are most relevant to the Law of One perspective.
I highly recommend that people watch or read, as they prefer, the entire talk. It has quite a bit of deep thought about war as an expression of something toxic in human nature, and about war as a necessary act of government even if the leader would personally prefer nonviolence. It also openly takes a moral claim to evaluate both the successes and drawbacks of American politics and culture from a higher perspective, rather than accepting them as givens.
In my opinion, this speech is the most outspoken affirmation possible of the Law of One's tenets, rejecting a mentality of tribalism or divisive religious dogma, while still accepting the current political system.
Title: A Just And Lasting Peace
Excerpts:
[The Nobel Peace Prize] is an award that speaks to our highest aspirations - that for all the cruelty and hardship of our world, we are not mere prisoners of fate. Our actions matter, and can bend history in the direction of justice.
The capacity of human beings to think up new ways to kill one another proved inexhaustible, as did our capacity to exempt from mercy those who look different or pray to a different God.
I do not bring with me today a definitive solution to the problems of war. What I do know is that meeting these challenges will require the same vision, hard work, and persistence of those men and women who acted so boldly decades ago. And it will require us to think in new ways about the notions of just war and the imperatives of a just peace.
[discussion of the concepts of just war] .... And yet this truth must coexist with another - that no matter how justified, war promises human tragedy. The soldier's courage and sacrifice is full of glory, expressing devotion to country, to cause and to comrades in arms. But war itself is never glorious, and we must never trumpet it as such.
...peace is not merely the absence of visible conflict. Only a just peace based upon the inherent rights and dignity of every individual can truly be lasting.
.... if human rights are not protected, peace is a hollow promise. .... And within America, there has long been a tension between those who describe themselves as realists or idealists - a tension that suggests a stark choice between the narrow pursuit of interests or an endless campaign to impose our values.
I reject this choice. I believe that peace is unstable where citizens are denied the right to speak freely or worship as they please; choose their own leaders or assemble without fear. Pent up grievances fester, and the suppression of tribal and religious identity can lead to violence. We also know that the opposite is true. Only when Europe became free did it finally find peace.
.... So even as we respect the unique culture and traditions of different countries, America will always be a voice for those aspirations that are universal.
.... true peace is not just freedom from fear, but freedom from want.... The absence of hope can rot a society from within.
.... And yet, I do not believe that we will have the will, or the staying power, to complete this work without something more - and that is the continued expansion of our moral imagination; an insistence that there is something irreducible that we all share.
As the world grows smaller, you might think it would be easier for human beings to recognize how similar we are; to understand that we all basically want the same things; that we all hope for the chance to live out our lives with some measure of happiness and fulfillment for ourselves and our families.
And yet, given the dizzying pace of globalization, and the cultural leveling of modernity, it should come as no surprise that people fear the loss of what they cherish about their particular identities - their race, their tribe, and perhaps most powerfully their religion.
.... no Holy War can ever be a just war.....
Such a warped view of religion is not just incompatible with the concept of peace, but the purpose of faith - for the one rule that lies at the heart of every major religion is that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us.
Adhering to this law of love has always been the core struggle of human nature. We are fallible. We make mistakes, and fall victim to the temptations of pride, and power, and sometimes evil. Even those of us with the best intentions will at times fail to right the wrongs before us.
But we do not have to think that human nature is perfect for us to still believe that the human condition can be perfected. We do not have to live in an idealized world to still reach for those ideals that will make it a better place. The non-violence practiced by men like Gandhi and King may not have been practical or possible in every circumstance, but the love that they preached - their faith in human progress - must always be the North Star that guides us on our journey.
For if we lose that faith - if we dismiss it as silly or naïve; if we divorce it from the decisions that we make on issues of war and peace - then we lose what is best about humanity. We lose our sense of possibility. We lose our moral compass.
Like generations have before us, we must reject that future. As Dr. King said at this occasion so many years ago, "I refuse to accept despair as the final response to the ambiguities of history. I refuse to accept the idea that the 'isness' of man's present nature makes him morally incapable of reaching up for the eternal 'oughtness' that forever confronts him."
So let us reach for the world that ought to be - that spark of the divine that still stirs within each of our souls.
We can acknowledge that oppression will always be with us, and still strive for justice. We can admit the intractability of depravation, and still strive for dignity. We can understand that there will be war, and still strive for peace. We can do that - for that is the story of human progress; that is the hope of all the world; and at this moment of challenge, that must be our work here on Earth.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - fairyfarmgirl - 12-13-2009
I Loved the Speech by Pres. Barack Obama! I also LOVED the blue Spiral... this is also seen in antiquity... in cave paintings no less... So it is not the first or last time we will see this...
I believe the peaceable kingdom is at hand.
Love--
fairyfarmgirl
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - Questioner - 12-13-2009
You know what else the spiral reminds me of?
![[Image: bat-signal.jpg]](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/bat-signal.jpg)
If the spiral is from ET's, it seems obvious to interpret it as meaning something like "Hey, check this out, good work, you're on the right track, we like how we're getting helped down there."
Obama really couldn't have been more outspoken without having to say, "You know what, we don't really need these institutions called nations that go to war with each other." But he couldn't successfully say that on behalf of the American people without that being what most people really felt, wanted, and believed in with their hearts. Same thing for the people of other nations.
I agree that it's a very inspiring speech.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - fairyfarmgirl - 12-14-2009
FEAR is clouding the minds of many: they are not able to percieve the gift of LIGHT at this time. It is imperative that as lightworkers we work gently and firmly to assist those around us in releasing their fears and clearing their minds. The best way for us to do this is to be strong in the TRUTH of LOVE and act accordingly.
fairyfarmgirl
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - Ali Quadir - 12-14-2009
So... Any of you guys know how I might find out the weather in Finland for that day? Particularly if the sky was overcast? I've noticed there are no reports about the spiral from Finland and sweden. Yet if the rocket theory is correct there should be.. Unless of course they were covered in rain at the time. Just another nail in the coffin for the rocket theory. But I do need to get the facts first.
You might be surprised at how hard it is to answer that question a week after the date.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - ayadew - 12-14-2009
Actually there is no info at all (Sweden). I've been skimming newspapers etc and the whole thing is simply ignored.
I find this sad; the best way to make people forget about something is to not mention it at all, right?
I checked the weather for sweden at 2009-12-09 22:00
It was very cloudy, hazy, foggy over the whole country. We didn't see a thing.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - Ali Quadir - 12-14-2009
Of course,
We have a viking on board, I totally forgot about that. Thanks ayadew for checking this for me.Out of curiosity, I assume you took last weeks newspaper? If there's an international site with a history of weather reports for the world I'd like it for my toolkit. I was surprised at how difficult it was to find something this simple.
Well that explains that then. Unfortunately this nail turns out to be unwarranted. I'll save it for another day.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - ayadew - 12-14-2009
I did, yes. There was likely a little notice about the Norway spiral in some papers though, but nothing 'noticeable'.
Also, I checked on Swedish sites for the weather. I think those would be of little use to you. An international site for history of weather could be quite useful.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - Ali Quadir - 12-14-2009
Thanks a lot buddy, I owe you one.
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - transiten - 12-14-2009
Hello
Another viking here that had to cancel her trip to Stockholm because of healthissues both for herself and her dog. Anyway for you who are brave enough to dare to go to Project Camelot you can hear David Wilcock talk about his and Richard Hoaglands take on this as displayed by the HAARPfacility situated close to Tromsöy.
transiten
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - ayadew - 12-14-2009
transiten: Could you link that?
RE: Spiral Light Show over Norway - transiten - 12-14-2009
Sure
www.projectcamelot.org
Under Interviews and reports click on Audio Interviews and to the right you will find Whistleblower Radio David Wilcock Dec 10 pt 1 and 2
Enjoy:idea: