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RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-12-2013
(01-12-2013, 01:35 PM)Peregrinus Wrote:(01-11-2013, 10:56 AM)ShinAr Wrote: I do not agree with the Ra Material if it correlates the Left hand Path with STS.
I believe the Ra Materials to be the foundation from which discussion is built upon in this forum, and I'm sure that is easily seen in the forum readme and the tens of thousands of posts. Your very apparent personal opposing view of the understanding of paths/polarities, in regard to the Ra Materials, is noted, and in my mind invalidates any and all discussion you present regarding the Law of One. There must be a common ground to begin a foundation of discussion, and though to many the Law of One appears to be written in stone, you have come with a pick and shovel.
As I said above, if this is a place where people are worshiping the Ra Material, then yes, I am in the wrong place. But I happen to know many here who do not think the way you and Ankh do.
What you are proposing is that all those who come here to discuss the Ra material do so with the immediate stance that anything that they might bring with them will have no bearing on their efforts to discern how the material might meet with those understandings.
And you are suggesting that while in the process of discerning this material that we not offer our thought processes around it as we compare it to our own understandings.
So what exactly are you expecting?
Seems as though you want to have people come here in discussion with intentions only to offer support to, or to accept without consideration, the material which is supposedly being scrutinized.
How exactly do you go about scrutinizing and discerning the worth and merit of material that you study?
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-12-2013
(01-12-2013, 05:02 PM)ShinAr Wrote: How exactly do you go about scrutinizing and discerning the worth and merit of material that you study?
Might help to read it first.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-13-2013
(01-12-2013, 05:06 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(01-12-2013, 05:02 PM)ShinAr Wrote: How exactly do you go about scrutinizing and discerning the worth and merit of material that you study?
Might help to read it first.
So in order for one to gain anything from this Material it must be thoroughly and completely understood in its entirety?
I would like to know who here would dare to claim that they have read this Material in its entirety and will claim to be able to come to a full and complete understanding of it which cannot be argued or further discussed.
In lieu of such arrogance, I would say that leaves your claim a little short.
Why must we argue as though we are in some battle with each other Greek? Why is it that some here are so offended and evading of any effort to thoroughly discern this material?
What exactly is the problem with having others come here to scrutinize the material to see what it has to offer and compare it with information they have already acquired? Unless it a person's mindset that it doesn't matter whether or not the Ra Group makes an accurate interpretation. If one does not care about the accuracy or credibility of the information they study, and are willing to simply accept it on faith, then I could understand where you are coming from.
In your unnecessary defense of it you come across as religious zealots defending their religion.
In my case this is completely unnecessary, as much of the material offered by the Ra Group appeals to me.
It seems that you have a problem with it being questioned at all, or that you have a problem with my being a pagan druid.
In either case, I think you should reconsider how you think of me and give me the benefit of the doubt.
Why not just do what you will with the material, and allow others to do as they will?
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-13-2013
This is an excerpt from the guidelines of this Archetype Forum posted by JustLikeYou, found here,
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4478
"While each may have her own reasons for seeking to view this blueprint in a conscious and hopefully relatively undistorted way, it is this seeking which we all share. Our effort here is therefore to both collectively and individually seek not only to bridge the myriad gaps which Don and Ra left in describing this blueprint, but also to assist each other in approaching a vision of the Archetypical Mind which does not rely on any outside source.
The above quotations are often taken as fundamental guiding principles as to how this study can most efficiently proceed, but Ra also tells us that each must come to know the Archetypical Mind from her own unique perspective. So in this forum, we seek to walk the careful balance between the shared structure of the concept complexes within the Archetypical Mind and the unique vision that each of us brings to these concept complexes. For though it is the same Archetypical Mind which we all share, each of us has a different way of touching upon and ultimately becoming these twenty-two archetypes."
I ask therefore that others like Ankh, Greek, Peregrinus and any others who would think that this is not a study of discernation/a study in consideration, but rather an attempt to /accept/absorb the material on faith and trust without the attempt to discern it by comparison.
Thank You.
I love you all.
Namaste,
Shin'Ar
(01-11-2013, 10:22 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(01-11-2013, 10:00 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Are you able to provide any Ra quotes that further illuminate their actual definition of the left hand path?
"the left-hand path or, as you might refer to it more simply, the service-to-self path..."
Based upon this statement made by the Ra group as their interpretation of The Tarot, and because it is my unique perspective, which is supported by thousands of years of left hand path teachings of The Tarot revelation, I will state with confidence that those in the Ra group have had a seriously misleading and mistaken impression of The Tarot.
Whether deliberate for some reason, or mere ignorance of the teachings of the actual Left Hand Path for the last few thousand years, I cannot say, but if one was to bother to actually study the various cultures and teachings across the planet regarding the left hand path, and COMPARE THOSE to the Ra interpretation, one would certainly see the mistake made by those in the Ra group here. Or by Don or Carla in their transcription effort.
Have the Ancient Masters of this planet been teaching in error all these millennium? Now that is a different topic altogether, which would also suggest that it was NOT our own human brethren that devised the term 'left hand path', and that it has been misrepresented by all of our teachers around the world in many religions for thousands of years.
Would this surprise me? Not ta all; EXCEPT, and this is the vital key right here,
Shin'Ar is exceptionally intimate with The Tarot interpretation based upon the left hand path teaching of Lord Thoth, and I can attest to its absolute and unmistakable correlation with the many symbols, and those ancient teachings.
And when read accurately, The Tarot reveals a key revelation to all of those who are able to vibrate in communion with it. This was the reason for its establishment, and also the variable which affirms its enchantment.
When the puzzle pieces are put together and everything fits with precision to establish a specific picture, then that alone is the evidence which confirms its true substance.
I can attest to this from both personal communion, and with its correlation to the ancient left hand path teachings of our Ancient Masters.
Now this is NOT what those like the Greek and Ankh want to hear because of their appreciation for the Ra material. And I respect that and understand completely. It is like a Christian being told that there is a mistake in the Bible. It offends their desire to place faith in the material.
But may I remind you, that those in the Ra group are not gods, nor beings that cannot themselves make mistakes. This is simply their profession of their understanding of it. Just as this is mine.
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4643
It would be remiss of us not to have this in mind as we study any of this material.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-13-2013
Shin'Ar, what are you looking for, exactly? If Ra is wrong about the tarot, why waste your time here?
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-13-2013
(01-13-2013, 11:27 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Shin'Ar, what are you looking for, exactly? If Ra is wrong about the tarot, why waste your time here?
That I might be wasting my time searching for information here is not what should concern you Greek.
If you believe that nothing in the Ra material can be inaccurate, then the far more important question for yourself should be 'why are you here?'
However I will answer your question to me.
I am remaining here, now that I have accomplished that for which I originally came, to both, observe how people are absorbing this information, and also to see if there is anything within this information which can be useful to my own quest for truth and knowledge.
In that effort I have seen some things that contradict my understandings as well some things that contribute to them. In my thinking, this is what should naturally take place, given the many similarities found throughout our planet with regard to the transmission of cosmic and esoteric information and teaching.
However I am not here to worship Ra.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-13-2013
(01-13-2013, 02:00 PM)ShinAr Wrote: the far more important question for yourself should be 'why are you here?'
I am here (at this subforum in particular) to attempt to understand better what Ra had to say about the tarot and the archetypical mind.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-13-2013
(01-13-2013, 02:06 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(01-13-2013, 02:00 PM)ShinAr Wrote: the far more important question for yourself should be 'why are you here?'
I am here (at this subforum in particular) to attempt to understand better what Ra had to say about the tarot and the archetypical mind.
Obviously, but are you also going to accept whatever is offered in the material as absolute indisputable fact?
Or do you also have your own prior understandings with which you will make a comparison?
RE: The Choice - AnthroHeart - 01-13-2013
I know I've had my own learnings beyond what the material stated. For instance my experience of hearing multiple big bangs.
In my experience failure was not an option.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-13-2013
(01-13-2013, 02:14 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Obviously, but are you also going to accept whatever is offered in the material as absolute indisputable fact?
No. But I'm not here to discuss whether to accept the material or not but instead to try to understand it.
(01-13-2013, 02:14 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Or do you also have your own prior understandings with which you will make a comparison?
Of course.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-13-2013
(01-13-2013, 02:19 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(01-13-2013, 02:14 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Obviously, but are you also going to accept whatever is offered in the material as absolute indisputable fact?
No. But I'm not here to discuss whether to accept the material or not but instead to try to understand it.
(01-13-2013, 02:14 PM)ShinAr Wrote: Or do you also have your own prior understandings with which you will make a comparison?
Of course.
And in the case that what you find here is acceptable to you, do you not accept the things which you come to understand? Is that not what understanding means?
RE: The Choice - Ankh - 01-13-2013
(01-13-2013, 09:35 AM)ShinAr Wrote: This is an excerpt from the guidelines of this Archetype Forum posted by JustLikeYou, found here,
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4478
"While each may have her own reasons for seeking to view this blueprint in a conscious and hopefully relatively undistorted way, it is this seeking which we all share. Our effort here is therefore to both collectively and individually seek not only to bridge the myriad gaps which Don and Ra left in describing this blueprint, but also to assist each other in approaching a vision of the Archetypical Mind which does not rely on any outside source.
The above quotations are often taken as fundamental guiding principles as to how this study can most efficiently proceed, but Ra also tells us that each must come to know the Archetypical Mind from her own unique perspective. So in this forum, we seek to walk the careful balance between the shared structure of the concept complexes within the Archetypical Mind and the unique vision that each of us brings to these concept complexes. For though it is the same Archetypical Mind which we all share, each of us has a different way of touching upon and ultimately becoming these twenty-two archetypes."
I ask therefore that others like Ankh, Greek, Peregrinus and any others who would think that this is not a study of discernation/a study in consideration, but rather an attempt to /accept/absorb the material on faith and trust without the attempt to discern it by comparison.
Thank You.
I love you all.
Namaste,
Shin'Ar
(01-11-2013, 10:22 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(01-11-2013, 10:00 AM)ShinAr Wrote: Are you able to provide any Ra quotes that further illuminate their actual definition of the left hand path?
"the left-hand path or, as you might refer to it more simply, the service-to-self path..."
Based upon this statement made by the Ra group as their interpretation of The Tarot, and because it is my unique perspective, which is supported by thousands of years of left hand path teachings of The Tarot revelation, I will state with confidence that those in the Ra group have had a seriously misleading and mistaken impression of The Tarot.
Whether deliberate for some reason, or mere ignorance of the teachings of the actual Left Hand Path for the last few thousand years, I cannot say, but if one was to bother to actually study the various cultures and teachings across the planet regarding the left hand path, and COMPARE THOSE to the Ra interpretation, one would certainly see the mistake made by those in the Ra group here. Or by Don or Carla in their transcription effort.
Have the Ancient Masters of this planet been teaching in error all these millennium? Now that is a different topic altogether, which would also suggest that it was NOT our own human brethren that devised the term 'left hand path', and that it has been misrepresented by all of our teachers around the world in many religions for thousands of years.
Would this surprise me? Not ta all; EXCEPT, and this is the vital key right here,
Shin'Ar is exceptionally intimate with The Tarot interpretation based upon the left hand path teaching of Lord Thoth, and I can attest to its absolute and unmistakable correlation with the many symbols, and those ancient teachings.
And when read accurately, The Tarot reveals a key revelation to all of those who are able to vibrate in communion with it. This was the reason for its establishment, and also the variable which affirms its enchantment.
When the puzzle pieces are put together and everything fits with precision to establish a specific picture, then that alone is the evidence which confirms its true substance.
I can attest to this from both personal communion, and with its correlation to the ancient left hand path teachings of our Ancient Masters.
Now this is NOT what those like the Greek and Ankh want to hear because of their appreciation for the Ra material. And I respect that and understand completely. It is like a Christian being told that there is a mistake in the Bible. It offends their desire to place faith in the material.
But may I remind you, that those in the Ra group are not gods, nor beings that cannot themselves make mistakes. This is simply their profession of their understanding of it. Just as this is mine.
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4643
It would be remiss of us not to have this in mind as we study any of this material.
Shin'Ar, ever since you became member of this board, I've provided you quotes after quotes after quotes after quotes, showing you the nature of the Ra contact, who Ra is and the way it was transmitted to human beings via L/L Research. I'm not going to continue speaking about it anymore to you.
In regards to Archetypes, Ra is the oldest group of the mind/body/spirit complexes of this local sub-Logos who provided information about this resource of deep mind in a most undistorted way it is possible upon this third density Earth.
In regards to other sources and teachings, I've been spiritually seeking for 19 years. I've read "ancient" texts, so I know what these are. I've read the Bible, studied hunduism, paganism, buddhism, this that. Most of the teachings and philosophies were/are so confused and mixed in their orientation that I don't even remember them. Then finally, at the age 33, I found IT. I know what I found that night. The purity, the beauty, of the Ra material, which I have never seen upon the surface of this Earth.
Each path though is unique. Therefore, seeing that there is no match between your seeking and my seeking, I'm leaving these discussions, because they are not of the same orientation and seeking.
This is crazy! Not only there is little focus on uncovering deeper understandings of the Ra material in this entire forum, one can not even study it in peace in the forum which was specifically created and dedicated to the studies of this material. I'll take my leave now. I have better things to do than continue these yappings.
RE: The Choice - βαθμιαίος - 01-13-2013
(01-13-2013, 02:21 PM)ShinAr Wrote: And in the case that what you find here is acceptable to you, do you not accept the things which you come to understand? Is that not what understanding means?
By "what you find here" do you mean your interpretations of the tarot? They're so different than Ra's that it's hard to see their relevance.
RE: The Choice - Shin'Ar - 01-13-2013
(01-13-2013, 03:05 PM)Ankh Wrote: In regards to Archetypes, Ra is the oldest group of the mind/body/spirit complexes of this local sub-Logos who provided information about this resource of deep mind in a most undistorted way it is possible upon this third density Earth.
Now you see, upon hearing emotional opinion like this I hear what sounds to me like one who is insulted by any questioning or consideration of 'the many quotes provided', as though the simply offering of the quotes should be all that is necessary to believe that this is a " ...resource of deep mind in a most undistorted way it is possible upon this third density Earth."
Just the statement alone that ," Ra is the oldest group of the mind/body/spirit complexes of this local sub-Logos who provided information..." gives me the chills. Can you not hear how you are coming across?
Ankh, why do you choose to believe that the Ra group must be the oldest source of information ever provided to us?
And why do you believe in it as being the most undistorted way possible? What exactly does that even mean? Are you implying that because it is Ra that it can have no mistakes in it?
I appreciate the many quotes that you put out here, for they enable to read the material without having to become so immersed in it that I begin to lose focus on my own understanding.
And I have no intentions of studying this material without considering every sentence within it and discerning it for worth.
(01-13-2013, 03:05 PM)Ankh Wrote: In regards to other sources and teachings, I've been spiritually seeking for 19 years. I've read "ancient" texts, so I know what these are. I've read the Bible, studied hunduism, paganism, buddhism, this that. Most of the teachings and philosophies were/are so confused and mixed in their orientation that I don't even remember them. Then finally, at the age 33, I found IT. I know what I found that night. The purity, the beauty, of the Ra material, which I have never seen upon the surface of this Earth.
Then I rest my case. this material has become your Bible and you are insulted and offended by any scrutiny of it that may not be in praise and adoration of it.
That's fine as long as you do not expect the same of me. To me, this is information provided for us to discern, from beings that may or may not be of this planet, and I accept it gladly and search within it to see how it stands up to my understanding.
You have obviously come to the conclusion that it meets entirely with all that you have come to understand in all of your whole 20 years of studying every philosophy and culture on the planet, and having cast them all aside in their entirety seeing no truth or merit within any of them at all.
You do realize that there are countless others who would seriously disagree with you on that matter.
And I am sure that you will also acknowledge that there are millions of Christians out there who will also declare exactly as you have, that they found IT, or at least that which appeals to them the way that they would want something to appeal to them.
(01-13-2013, 03:05 PM)Ankh Wrote: Each path though is unique. Therefore, seeing that there is no match between your seeking and my seeking, I'm leaving these discussions, because they are not of the same orientation and seeking.
If you realize that each path is unique Ankh, then what is your rationale behind leaving the discussion because it is not of the same orientation. Is that not what unique means? I think you need to ask yourself why you are so offended by someone who questions the material the way that it should be scrutinized, and the way that the Ra group advised it to be taken in the first place?
What exactly is your problem? Can you consider that at all?
(01-13-2013, 03:05 PM)Ankh Wrote: This is crazy! Not only there is little focus on uncovering deeper understandings of the Ra material in this entire forum,...
How do we uncover the depths of it without scrutinizing it with an open mind? And I would disagree that there is not indepth consideration and discussion being had on the material here. I take part in it daily, and often hear many offer their recognition of that very opportunity.
(01-13-2013, 03:05 PM)Ankh Wrote: ...one can not even study it in peace in the forum which was specifically created and dedicated to the studies of this material. I'll take my leave now. I have better things to do than continue these yappings.
Again thank you for making my point as obvious as it can be made. I hope your watching now Greek while your trying to decide whether or not to hit the like button is support of this, because this is exactly what I have been trying to get through to you.
Anyone who wants to accept this material as some sort of godly offering of absolute truth can do so if they choose. That is their right just as it is the right of every other believer of any religious dogma/yappings.
But the Ra group has offered it to us to be scrutinized and absorbed according to our own individual abilities and understandings.
(Ankh, be a dear and post that quote for me will ya?)
Yes, I am antagonizing her now, sorry folks but she did open that door.
She is obviously having some sort of a biblical relation with this material and I hope she enjoys the journey. I have no problem with that in her case.
I would have a serious problem with anyone who try to expect the same blind faith from me. I left that behind long ago.
I too. will leave this discussion, as now Ankh has clearly emphasized the point I had tried to make. Some here become so emotionally insulted about discussions over philosophy. This is nothing personal against you Ankh, so why do you take it that way. We do not even know each other. You believe in whatever you want to believe in. It's not like I am insulting you or the Ra group by stating my thoughts as I read the material. is that not what it was offered for, or am I supposed to building some sort of an altar or something?
Hopefully some others will see this and learn from it as well.
Some of us are sponges, and some of us are magnifying glasses.
Geez, I wish my boyfriend was a moderator.
Hey, Mon, wanna go for a coffee?
RE: Basis of Ra Material Interpretation and Focus of Law of One Study - Aaron - 01-13-2013
Shin'Ar, you have come to a web forum in which many people are studying a specific material. Due to its nature, most people find little interest in it, some resonate with it, and some REALLY resonate with it. To this last group of people, this material gives light to their seeking and purpose to their life. To this last group, the material is not only knowledge for study, but it becomes a part of themselves, a sort of link to the divine within, and a real and genuine basis of understanding for the experience they find themselves in in this life. I am one of that third group of people. And I believe that the people who you are encountering difficulty with are also those who see a real, true light in the material.
Think of this forum, especially the Strictly Law of One Material forum and the Archetypes sub-forum, as a study group for the Ra Material. When one walks into a study group that is focused on a certain material, and begins to question the credibility of that material based on their own understanding of esoterica, and begins to expect those in the study group to converse with him on his own understanding, with his own terminology, then of course friction arises.
Bring4th is an L/L Research website. This forum, as a whole, is for communing with eachother in the light of the love we discover within ourselves, and which the Confederation material as channeled by L/L Research helps us to discover within ourselves. And the Strictly and Archetypes forums are for in-depth study of the material which gives L/L Research life, and with which some of us feel a deep, deep resonance with, for various reasons. So it's kind of expected that one entering this study group be prepared to study the material which is the focus of the group, and if not that, then at least have a willingness to read the material.
This forum is not elite or closed off to anyone except those who would seek to intentionally abuse it. This is because it is a positively oriented place. The goal is to be of service to everyone who it is possible to serve. Due to this openness, it's understandable that a great number of people will join, with varying resonance to the Ra Material. It's understandable that you do not have such a deep resonance with the material as some do. In my understanding, the deepest of resonance with the material is due not to outer interests, but inner identity. Thus, not all will resonate with it at the deepest levels. To those who aren't resonating with it as deeply, it may appear as a worshiping of the material or a belief in a complete infallibility of Ra's words. Please understand that that is not where our passions come from. They come from a place closer to identity.
Regardless, the best way to be of service is to attempt to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the self. So this mis-match in understanding between you and those who seek to use this forum to earnestly study the material on its own terms, can definitely be reconciled. It just takes a little willingness to hear eachother out, willingness to give eachother space to express themselves, and willingness to see each as the Creator.
So with that said, I would like to ask you to be understanding of those who see this material as the highest light, and to attempt to share your self and your understandings with regard and respect both to forum focus, and to those who you are sharing with. I promise to attempt to be understanding of you and your path of learning as well. Let's compare the knowledge that you and Ra has, and come to a greater understanding, instead of digging in our heels and being attached to certain methods of communication.
Thank you, all.
RE: Basis of Ra Material Interpretation and Focus of Law of One Study - drifting pages - 01-14-2013
Removed.
RE: Basis of Ra Material Interpretation and Focus of Law of One Study - Shin'Ar - 01-14-2013
(01-13-2013, 04:57 PM)Bring4th_Aaron Wrote: Shin'Ar, you have come to a web forum in which many people are studying a specific material. Due to its nature, most people find little interest in it, some resonate with it, and some REALLY resonate with it. To this last group of people, this material gives light to their seeking and purpose to their life. To this last group, the material is not only knowledge for study, but it becomes a part of themselves, a sort of link to the divine within, and a real and genuine basis of understanding for the experience they find themselves in in this life. I am one of that third group of people. And I believe that the people who you are encountering difficulty with are also those who see a real, true light in the material.
Think of this forum, especially the Strictly Law of One Material forum and the Archetypes sub-forum, as a study group for the Ra Material. When one walks into a study group that is focused on a certain material, and begins to question the credibility of that material based on their own understanding of esoterica, and begins to expect those in the study group to converse with him on his own understanding, with his own terminology, then of course friction arises.
Bring4th is an L/L Research website. This forum, as a whole, is for communing with eachother in the light of the love we discover within ourselves, and which the Confederation material as channeled by L/L Research helps us to discover within ourselves. And the Strictly and Archetypes forums are for in-depth study of the material which gives L/L Research life, and with which some of us feel a deep, deep resonance with, for various reasons. So it's kind of expected that one entering this study group be prepared to study the material which is the focus of the group, and if not that, then at least have a willingness to read the material.
This forum is not elite or closed off to anyone except those who would seek to intentionally abuse it. This is because it is a positively oriented place. The goal is to be of service to everyone who it is possible to serve. Due to this openness, it's understandable that a great number of people will join, with varying resonance to the Ra Material. It's understandable that you do not have such a deep resonance with the material as some do. In my understanding, the deepest of resonance with the material is due not to outer interests, but inner identity. Thus, not all will resonate with it at the deepest levels. To those who aren't resonating with it as deeply, it may appear as a worshiping of the material or a belief in a complete infallibility of Ra's words. Please understand that that is not where our passions come from. They come from a place closer to identity.
Regardless, the best way to be of service is to attempt to share the love of the Creator as it is known to the self. So this mis-match in understanding between you and those who seek to use this forum to earnestly study the material on its own terms, can definitely be reconciled. It just takes a little willingness to hear eachother out, willingness to give eachother space to express themselves, and willingness to see each as the Creator.
So with that said, I would like to ask you to be understanding of those who see this material as the highest light, and to attempt to share your self and your understandings with regard and respect both to forum focus, and to those who you are sharing with. I promise to attempt to be understanding of you and your path of learning as well. Let's compare the knowledge that you and Ra has, and come to a greater understanding, instead of digging in our heels and being attached to certain methods of communication.
Thank you, all.
Extremely well spoken young man.
You, among many that I have dealt with here, have the true markings of a diplomat, and you will be of even greater service to humanity at some time in the future. You have always shown me respect and spoken with eloquence in your efforts to resolve issues that involved me.
You have earned my respect. You are the exact opposite of Ankh and so that will probably work in your favor, for you know the old adage. Ankh is much more like me in that she speaks her mind forthright. Although she does tend to be much more offended when she meets debate of her thinking.
Now that which you have pointed out here is wise counsel, but it is wisdom I have been practicing , or at least trying to practice, since I came into this community. Believe me that I am well aware of the different group dynamics in this place. I had just made mention of that in another thread to a new member in the Wanderer thread just yesterday. I do effort to remind myself of this daily, and sometimes get caught up in typing my thoughts in a post while at the same time trying to live life beyond this community, and sometimes the diplomatic struggle does get lost in that shuffle.
But for the most part I think I usually always have a good grip on the fact that I am dealing with specific fields which have varying degrees of attraction to the Ra Material. I also think that I have been in interaction with enough of the more veteran members to know which category they fall into.
Although I may not be able to converse with some of them easily because of the delicate need for that diplomatic trait that you bear so well, I do make the effort if they address me on a topic. And especially when they 'confront' me on an issue. Just as they would challenge such confrontation themselves.
I try to avoid the insults or the deliberate attempts to inflame the discussion. Anyone can go to any of my posts and I am pretty confident that you will not find any where I would be deliberately and without compassion, insulting another member here. And if someone takes something that I say as an insult just because I am not responding the way they think I should, THAT is not deliberate personal insult. And my attempt to tell them what my impressions might be is also not an insult.
Having pointed that out, I want to make sure that Ankh and Monica, especially because of their emotional sensitivity, and constant tendency to hear me in a manner that, if they were actually here with me personally, would not assume that manner, understand that I hold no ill feelings or dislike for anyone here in this community just because we may have disagreements in philosophic understanding and speculation.
That would be like me hating everyone in the library that uses the Christian reading material aisle. Please give me a little more credit than that.
Now, I understand completely what you are saying about the Strictly forum. It is a place for the in-depth study of the material. I think it should probably be somewhat redefined though, as a place for both cherishing what the Ra group has sent to us, for those like Ankh and yourself, to enjoy, but below I have another option more in tune for us all.
The discussion which Ankh came into problem with was one between the Greek and I about Ra's accurate use of the term 'Left Hand Path', in which I offered my definition of it, and we were having that discussion in mutual respect until a couple of others stepped in with their dismay, which supported Greek's reasoning, which I then had to address with my own reasoning. This sort of thing will take place in any forum, and is the reason those threads end up here.
Fort example, in that very thread, JustLikeYou responded to another member's post with this post,
"I still object. The manipulated are still served by being manipulated. If they do not have the will or the strength to polarize in response to an attempt to control, then such persons require more experience of being controlled in order to tire of it. Extreme acts of violence can also be grandfathered into this same conception, given the laws of karma which necessitate a reverse experience eventually.
When one serves the Creator, one serves All. This cannot be avoided."
He objects. His thinking is different from that of the other and he offers his objection and attempts to explain why.
If we are going to change the dynamics of the Strictly forum to be board, where only cherishing and interpretation that cannot be argued is the rule of thumb, you are not going to be able to avoid the clash of thought processes in the struggle to interpret according to personal understanding.
If you are going to challenge my thought processes and reasoning then you will have to do the same in JustLikeYou's case, and in every case where any disagreement over interpretation occurs.
I think the problem here is that those like you and Ankh, who do cherish the material and do not challenge any aspect of it all, (actually I happen to know that there are some aspects that you, yourself, have doubts over, but that is between you and I alone), have the mindset that it is absolute truth and that there should be no argument for that reason. In Ankh's case she takes offense whenever she confronts any challenge of the material she worships.
The problem is not in the challenges being made during interpretation of material regardless of what thread it is in, because it is the natural facade of any interpretation to have differences of thought processing by the various interpreters. This has been the way of life seen in virtually every religion amongst its students for thousands of years,
There will always be challenge to one thought over another when discussing interpretation because we do not all think alike, or interpret alike.
The real problem is the expectation/demand that there should be no difference. And I know that you know this, and I also know that many are PMing you about me with their distastes, tugging at your coattail, and you are doing your best to address it.
I also know that many here have concerns about my presence at all in the community because they are disturbed whenever my words tug at their desires and they sense the accuracy with which I make them feel guilty about certain matters.
But, if this community truly wants to be acknowledged as one of an open mind, without fear of scrutiny of their attraction to the Ra material, then they cannot have their cake and eat it too.
If this community wants to shut down all discerning and scrutiny of the Material, it will not be one of open minded thinking, which should be the essence and manifestation of Light and enlightenment.
I understand that you would like to have one forum where certain aspects of this community can go to worship without having to be affected by scrutiny. So why not open a specific forum for that to be had?
However, one which is claimed to be a board where, and I use your words,
"Discussion and questions in this study forum should be directly related to Law of One material. Whether asking a question or writing a thesis, whether writing about the chakras, physics, or Zach Galifianakis, all posts should be tied into, and make reference of, and be about the information within the Law of One books in some fashion."
... is not a forum designated fro worship or cherishing. It is clearly designated as a study forum, and no mention is made that there should not be any individual interpretations made in the course of that study,(as there really should not be), in an open minded group.
Below is the description of the Archetype forum,
"Welcome to our study of the Archetypical Mind of the local sub-Logos we lovingly call "the Sun". In Book IV of the Law of One Material, Don and Ra begin a deep, yet incomplete exploration of this "blueprint" of our 3D experience. This blueprint goes by a number of different titles in esoteric circles, but most they are commonly known as: the Major Arcana of the Tarot, the twenty-two paths on the Tree of Life, and the 10 planets plus the 12 signs in astrology. Each of these provides a different angle on the Archetypes. The angle that Don and Ra used was the Tarot.
While each may have her own reasons for seeking to view this blueprint in a conscious and hopefully relatively undistorted way, it is this seeking which we all share. Our effort here is therefore to both collectively and individually seek not only to bridge the myriad gaps which Don and Ra left in describing this blueprint, but also to assist each other in approaching a vision of the Archetypical Mind which does not rely on any outside source"
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Now first of all I point that you do acknowledge that the Ra Material offers only an incomplete summary of The Tarot. Therefore that immediately opens the door to FURTHER INTERPRETATION and putting together the WHOLE, from OUTSIDE SOURCES. If incomplete, how could we possibly have a discussion on The Tarot as a whole dynamic. That would be akin to trying to understand The Tarot by only using three of its cards.
Secondly you espouse the honorable intention of trying to bridge the gap, a gap that Ankh and others with her mindset, would not like to bridge, and also to ,'approach... a vision of the Archetypical Mind which does not rely on any outside source..."
This immediately acknowledges both, that we are 'efforting to approach', and that until that goal is reached 'outside sources' will be resident.
Aaron, Ankh, and all, these guidelines do not describe accurately 'YOUR' hopes for the environment of those forums, nor should they if honest and open minded discussion is to be had.
It is my advise, and humble opinion, that what 'YOU' seek is a place of refuge from scrutiny, where ONLY cherishing the material and speculations of the Ra group is related.
In such a place, only those wishing to place faith in that material, and relish whatever appeasement they find from it, will enter. It will be a place free of personal interpretation and challenge of the material with thought process because all will of one mind and interest there. It will not be an open minded forum. It will be an elite forum for those wishing to drink from what they believe is the nutritional value of the material.
There is no reason why you should not have a forum like that and any who choose to enter it, should be free from the issues confronted in these other study forums.
I am not here to worship Ra. I am here to scrutinize the material to see if there is anything within that contributes to that which I have already acquired for understanding and wisdom.
Why others may come here is their own concern.
My advice to all is that if you want to offer a forum where people can scrutinize the material to discover what is there, then do without the wishful thinking that all would come to take advantage of such a generous offering to mankind, will accept on faith and without scrutiny.
I do not think that would be in line with what the Ra group had in mind for their offering. And I do not think that is what Don, Jim and Carla had in mind for going public with their find. They knew all too well that it would be scrutinized and only grasped by a few, which is the natural procession of such material.
That some have found it so appealing that they cherish it is wonderful, for them. Please do not try to impose that on everyone that comes here. And please do not suppose that everyone that comes here should have that same intention.
Your argument is that this seems to be exactly how you are considering the Strictly forum. Above I have clearly pointed out the folly of such expectation whenever interpretation and study is taking place.
Please consider opening another forum more specific to the dynamics which you would like it's environment to be. After all, is that not why the Mods are constantly having to rearrange these threads in the first place?
In understand your concerns and your desires.
I also understand your mistake.
With all respect and consideration,
Shin'Ar