(08-23-2012, 03:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: What they would do in this case is to teach/learn:

Ra, 48:3 Wrote:Questioner: Thank you. If you, Ra, as an individualized entity were incarnate on Earth now with full awareness and memory of what you know now, what would be your objective at this time on Earth as far as activities are concerned?

Ra: I am Ra. The query suggests that which has been learned to be impractical. However, were we to again be naïve enough to think that our physical presence was any more effective than that love/light we send your peoples and the treasure of this contact, we would do as we did do. We would be, and we would offer our selves as teach/learners.

(08-23-2012, 09:42 AM)Huntress Wrote:

(08-22-2012, 07:44 PM)Cyan Wrote: I wrote a rather long (2000 word post) about how i think that Ra is probably not being "all that honest" about their motivation based on what I estimate to be the probable outcomes based on their past actions and cant shake the fact that a 6 million year old planetary scale entity would make such crude first contact mistakes as "hey, i'mma gonna go and play god with the locals"

If Gene Roddenberry can think of it, why cant Ra think of what will happen when they mess with a culture that is by and large not ready.

Or, are we Ra's first planet?

I held back posting due to consideration for other posters feelings.

Now i'm starting to think that i should actually post it.

If you feel it may offend others, feel free to pm. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this!

(08-23-2012, 08:12 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 03:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: And they would teach by *showing*:

4:19 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. We are not at this time incarnate among your peoples; thus, we can guide and attempt to specify, but we cannot, by example, show. This is an handicap.

Does this mean that all of Ra is in time/space (not incarnate), or that they are just not incarnate among us? I think the latter. Some of Ra is probably in space/time. That's where the balancing happens.

(08-23-2012, 08:15 AM)Cyan Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 08:12 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 03:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: And they would teach by *showing*:

4:19 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. We are not at this time incarnate among your peoples; thus, we can guide and attempt to specify, but we cannot, by example, show. This is an handicap.

Does this mean that all of Ra is in time/space (not incarnate), or that they are just not incarnate among us? I think the latter. Some of Ra is probably in space/time. That's where the balancing happens.

Based on observing several interactions in my life, i'm 99.995% sure that Ra has physical entities on earth 3d that are fully 6d. If that makes sense in the way that i think it does. Its very interesting.

Ra, 14:4 Wrote:The remaining part of the cycle, we have never been gone from your fifth dimension and have been working in this last minor cycle to prepare for harvest.

(08-23-2012, 08:51 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 03:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: And they would teach by *showing*:

4:19 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. We are not at this time incarnate among your peoples; thus, we can guide and attempt to specify, but we cannot, by example, show. This is an handicap.

Says right there that they are not allowed to show.

(08-23-2012, 10:46 AM)Pickle Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 03:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: What they would do in this case is to teach/learn:

Ra, 48:3 Wrote:Questioner: Thank you. If you, Ra, as an individualized entity were incarnate on Earth now with full awareness and memory of what you know now, what would be your objective at this time on Earth as far as activities are concerned?

Ra: I am Ra. The query suggests that which has been learned to be impractical. However, were we to again be naïve enough to think that our physical presence was any more effective than that love/light we send your peoples and the treasure of this contact, we would do as we did do. We would be, and we would offer our selves as teach/learners.

Yeah that's the one. Thanks!

(08-23-2012, 01:17 PM)Ankh Wrote: To be honest, in my thinking - there is something seriously distorted with our third density planetary consciousness, which is thinking that sixth density teach/learners who could teach/learn by showing by example (the answers to this very question in this very thread for instance!) would be and has been a mistake.

(08-23-2012, 01:55 PM)Patrick Wrote: I do not regret anything Ra did or said. Thank you Ra for all you've done, are doing and will do for us.

(08-23-2012, 03:01 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 01:55 PM)Patrick Wrote: I do not regret anything Ra did or said. Thank you Ra for all you've done, are doing and will do for us.

Thank the other people here too. Your brothers and sisters could be Ra wanderers. That shows amazing courage.

(08-23-2012, 01:55 PM)Patrick Wrote: I do not regret anything Ra did or said. Thank you Ra for all you've done, are doing and will do for us.

(08-23-2012, 01:55 PM)Patrick Wrote: I do not regret anything Ra did or said. Thank you Ra for all you've done, are doing and will do for us.

(08-23-2012, 03:30 PM)Parsons Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 03:01 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 01:55 PM)Patrick Wrote: I do not regret anything Ra did or said. Thank you Ra for all you've done, are doing and will do for us.

Thank the other people here too. Your brothers and sisters could be Ra wanderers. That shows amazing courage.

Isn't that already covered by his original statement, then?

(08-23-2012, 01:17 PM)Ankh Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 08:51 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 03:47 AM)Ankh Wrote: And they would teach by *showing*:

4:19 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. We are not at this time incarnate among your peoples; thus, we can guide and attempt to specify, but we cannot, by example, show. This is an handicap.

Says right there that they are not allowed to show.

To me it says that they can not teach/learn by showing by example because they are not incarnated in their sixth density mind/body/spirit complexes among us at this time. To not teach/learn by showing by example is an handicap.

(08-23-2012, 09:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I'd say the mission of their wanderers is already teach/learning according to what needs balancing, probably infinitely more effective than the premise suggested by Don's hypothetical question.

Quote:As we have noted, each of the true-color densities has the seven energy centers and each entity contains all this in potentiation. The activation, while in yellow ray, of violet-ray intelligent infinity is a passport to the next octave of experience. There are adepts who have penetrated many, many of the energy centers and several of the true colors. This must be done with utmost care while in the physical body for as we noted when speaking of the dangers of linking red/orange/yellow circuitry with true-color blue circuitry the potential for disarrangement of the mind/body/spirit complex is great. However, the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread.

Quote:He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 09:50 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I'd say the mission of their wanderers is already teach/learning according to what needs balancing, probably infinitely more effective than the premise suggested by Don's hypothetical question.

Currently, I don't agree with you on this. Wanderers become completely creatures of third density in mind/body complexes and subjects to the veil of forgetting, third density rules and free will when incarnating as third density entities. This means that they have to wake up, start serious seeking, and retrieve their memory of why the heck they came here and what their "mission" is.

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: God knows how many tries there has been before to have "Ra contact" before it finally succeeded in 80's.

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: Even an *angellically* positive entity like Nikola Tesla didn't completely succeed with his "mission" so to speak.

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: And think of those two 5D wanderers who incarnated on Venus and how far they came from the mission they actually planned; the results were opposite. Currenty I am more inclined to think in unity100's lines in this post about difficulties of wanderers when incarnating here and difficulties to penetrate the veil.

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: Under normal (more harmonious than bellicose) third density conditions and circumstances it is much much more effective to teach/learn by coming/landing directly upon the physical planes and show by example etc etc. However, this has been learned to not to work on Gaia. I get that. Egypt and what happened there isn't the only place where it learned to be impractical. The whole Confederation tried this and that and whatnot else in different places, and nothing is working upon this planet... But coming as a Wanderer isn't effective either, in my current opinion. Less than 10% penetrate their status intelligently and what was it, only to the half of those 10% the information like Ra material makes sense? Not speaking of Ra material (in my humble understanding which I know to be different from many many others) being the only source from Confederation which is not distorted and infected.

(08-24-2012, 07:51 AM)zenmaster Wrote: And yet their entire life's programming is related to raising planetary vibrations in accordance with this goal. The dispositions are there, the questions one asks, the virtues one cultivates, the way others are treated by example are really the important things with regards to that presence and what needs balancing here.

zenmaster Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: God knows how many tries there has been before to have "Ra contact" before it finally succeeded in 80's.

But that has so little importance with respect to participation that it's almost irrelevant.

zenmaster Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: Even an *angellically* positive entity like Nikola Tesla didn't completely succeed with his "mission" so to speak.

Sometimes the seeming ideal is not what is needed. Not achieving complete success is not lack of success.

zenmaster Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: And think of those two 5D wanderers who incarnated on Venus and how far they came from the mission they actually planned; the results were opposite. Currenty I am more inclined to think in unity100's lines in this post about difficulties of wanderers when incarnating here and difficulties to penetrate the veil.

Results were opposite, in part, due to the huge lack of balance on Venus creating conditions where people became desperate to correct it. There was lack of opportunity there for such balancing, and the 'solution' did not take into consideration the deep-seated culture. This balancing was not successful in their 3rd density, but eventually in 5th.

zenmaster Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: Under normal (more harmonious than bellicose) third density conditions and circumstances it is much much more effective to teach/learn by coming/landing directly upon the physical planes and show by example etc etc. However, this has been learned to not to work on Gaia. I get that. Egypt and what happened there isn't the only place where it learned to be impractical. The whole Confederation tried this and that and whatnot else in different places, and nothing is working upon this planet... But coming as a Wanderer isn't effective either, in my current opinion. Less than 10% penetrate their status intelligently and what was it, only to the half of those 10% the information like Ra material makes sense? Not speaking of Ra material (in my humble understanding which I know to be different from many many others) being the only source from Confederation which is not distorted and infected.

To me there's a lack of dignity in relying on outside assistance to balance things, as by so doing one necessarily can offer less uniqueness and creativity. It does impact free will choices and to that extent offers opportunities for the 'crusaders' to assist.

Ra responds to a calling and they are probably more effective in responding to those calling than interceding in our affairs in more down-to-earth methods. Remember, there are people that are *not* calling and so can not receive information even if they are capable of processing it. Majority rules here. You can only offer opportunities for them to learn and that is only the responsibility for those who are capable.

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote: Maybe you find this "awakening" unimportant or irrelevant, and it is fine. But again, I find it important due those three basic functions after the penetration of the forgetting. And third density can be quite crushing, in my own experience and understanding. More than 9 of 10 Wanderers do not function here.

(08-24-2012, 08:26 AM)Patrick Wrote: IMHO the simple presence of wanderers here changes our world even if these wanderers are caught in the maelstrom of our Earthly lives.

(08-24-2012, 07:51 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Results were opposite, in part, due to the huge lack of balance on Venus creating conditions where people became desperate to correct it. There was lack of opportunity there for such balancing, and the 'solution' did not take into consideration the deep-seated culture. This balancing was not successful in their 3rd density, but eventually in 5th.

(08-24-2012, 03:02 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote: Maybe you find this "awakening" unimportant or irrelevant, and it is fine. But again, I find it important due those three basic functions after the penetration of the forgetting. And third density can be quite crushing, in my own experience and understanding. More than 9 of 10 Wanderers do not function here.

Interesting that you see such a high number of those who have trouble adapting. I wouldn't have thought that high. But then, my own life doesn't have much conflict so I don't see it. Sure, it has its catalyst. But that number is remarkable. I will admit, the energies though do cause me a bit of anxiety.

(08-24-2012, 07:47 PM)Parsons Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 03:02 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote: Maybe you find this "awakening" unimportant or irrelevant, and it is fine. But again, I find it important due those three basic functions after the penetration of the forgetting. And third density can be quite crushing, in my own experience and understanding. More than 9 of 10 Wanderers do not function here.

Interesting that you see such a high number of those who have trouble adapting. I wouldn't have thought that high. But then, my own life doesn't have much conflict so I don't see it. Sure, it has its catalyst. But that number is remarkable. I will admit, the energies though do cause me a bit of anxiety.

You only seem to be considering the wanderers that have awakened, GW. There are many, many wanderers who are not awake or who have just awakened recently (such as myself). Even then, its only recently that I have balanced myself enough to keep my 'head above water' enough not to feel extremely troubled by the state of the world in general.

I think Ankh is seeing the much bigger picture where there is indeed a great many wanderers who have not awakened which is where *(s)he is getting this view of there being 9 out of 10 non-functioning wanderers.

Or perhaps I am misunderstanding Ankh's point as well and *(s)he is not talking about any of the unawakened wanderers in her 9 out of 10 reference?

*Everyone who puts "Sex:Undisclosed" under their forum profile are going to get an equally ambiguous "(s)she" or "he/she"

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: But coming as a Wanderer isn't effective either, in my current opinion. Less than 10% penetrate their status intelligently and what was it, only to the half of those 10% the information like Ra material makes sense? Not speaking of Ra material (in my humble understanding which I know to be different from many many others) being the only source from Confederation which is not distorted and infected.

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote: Besides, Ra said that Wanderers do have three basic functions but only once the forgetting is penetrated, meaning that these functions do not function before the penetration.

(08-24-2012, 09:49 PM)Bring4th_Austin Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: But coming as a Wanderer isn't effective either, in my current opinion. Less than 10% penetrate their status intelligently and what was it, only to the half of those 10% the information like Ra material makes sense? Not speaking of Ra material (in my humble understanding which I know to be different from many many others) being the only source from Confederation which is not distorted and infected.

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote: Besides, Ra said that Wanderers do have three basic functions but only once the forgetting is penetrated, meaning that these functions do not function before the penetration.

The 10% of Wanderers you reference are those who have "intelligently" penetrated their status, meaning they have become aware of exactly "who they are" (per Don's question). I don't think that this level of penetration is required for a Wanderer to successfully carry out its mission, especially given the level of pre-incarnational planning and knowledge of the difficulty of penetrating the forgetting to this extent.

In 36.24 Ra goes on to describe the remembering process as having "many gradations." They say that the three functions you reference can be carried out "once the forgetting is penetrated," not necessarily to the fullest and most intelligent extent. I believe it's completely possible for a Wanderer to fulfill these functions with lower gradations of remembering, being part of "over fifty percent of the remainder"...something like 40% of Wanderers on top of the 10% with the highest level of remembering.

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 07:51 AM)zenmaster Wrote: And yet their entire life's programming is related to raising planetary vibrations in accordance with this goal. The dispositions are there, the questions one asks, the virtues one cultivates, the way others are treated by example are really the important things with regards to that presence and what needs balancing here.

I was speaking of efficacy of teach/learnings. Ra themselves said that to not be able to teach/learn in the physical by showing is an handicap. Based upon my own personal life experiences I agree with Ra's statement. Efficacy of teach/learnings having a status of a Wanderer incarnated in third density space/time mind/body complex is much much less, again in my humble opinion, because there are limitations and many distortions of third density. Besides, Ra said that Wanderers do have three basic functions but only once the forgetting is penetrated, meaning that these functions do not function before the penetration.

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:

zenmaster Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: God knows how many tries there has been before to have "Ra contact" before it finally succeeded in 80's.

But that has so little importance with respect to participation that it's almost irrelevant.

The reason to why I brought up Ra contact is that it is, in my humble opinion, the only Confederation source which is undistorted and uninfected, being a guiding light for Wanderers and their awakening to their status and their function here. This was probably planned by Ra social memory complex and other Confederation entities for quite some time, but has not been succeeded until 80's.

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote: Maybe you find this "awakening" unimportant or irrelevant, and it is fine. But again, I find it important due those three basic functions after the penetration of the forgetting. And third density can be quite crushing, in my own experience and understanding. More than 9 of 10 Wanderers do not function here.

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:

zenmaster Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: Even an *angellically* positive entity like Nikola Tesla didn't completely succeed with his "mission" so to speak.

Sometimes the seeming ideal is not what is needed. Not achieving complete success is not lack of success.

I agree at some extent, and admit that intelligent infinity works in mysterious ways. But just want to add that an access to free energy upon this planet *could* be pointing in a more harmonious harvest, and positive direction of this planet.

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:

zenmaster Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: And think of those two 5D wanderers who incarnated on Venus and how far they came from the mission they actually planned; the results were opposite. Currenty I am more inclined to think in unity100's lines in this post about difficulties of wanderers when incarnating here and difficulties to penetrate the veil.

Results were opposite, in part, due to the huge lack of balance on Venus creating conditions where people became desperate to correct it. There was lack of opportunity there for such balancing, and the 'solution' did not take into consideration the deep-seated culture. This balancing was not successful in their 3rd density, but eventually in 5th.

Overabundance of love and compassion was sickening for those entities who were more inclined towards wisdom or negative path, yes. This compassion was balanced in 5D. However, the aim of those 5D Wanderers was in service to other selves, but instead they graduated in 4D-, and could only with great effort and after some time reverse their polarity, only to join Ra in their late 4D+ to recapitulate lessons of love. Looking at the planet as the whole, the harvest was 6 millions mind/body/spirit complexes during the first cycle. When these Wanderers joined Venus and started "holy war" during the second cycle the number of harvested mind/body/spirit complexes after the second and third cycles decreased to 500 thousand. This doesn't mean anything, I understand that. And shouldn't be presented as facts for firm opinions. Yet, I wonder: Ra mentioned one path being more efficious than the other. They said that be taken to negative time/space will make the journey longer, but that all is going to be alright at the end. They said that the lessons of third density is to learn ways of love. Looking at their harmonious environment during the first cycle there was many who graduated. Then there wasn't. Majority rules?

(08-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Ankh Wrote:

zenmaster Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 06:33 AM)Ankh Wrote: Under normal (more harmonious than bellicose) third density conditions and circumstances it is much much more effective to teach/learn by coming/landing directly upon the physical planes and show by example etc etc. However, this has been learned to not to work on Gaia. I get that. Egypt and what happened there isn't the only place where it learned to be impractical. The whole Confederation tried this and that and whatnot else in different places, and nothing is working upon this planet... But coming as a Wanderer isn't effective either, in my current opinion. Less than 10% penetrate their status intelligently and what was it, only to the half of those 10% the information like Ra material makes sense? Not speaking of Ra material (in my humble understanding which I know to be different from many many others) being the only source from Confederation which is not distorted and infected.

To me there's a lack of dignity in relying on outside assistance to balance things, as by so doing one necessarily can offer less uniqueness and creativity. It does impact free will choices and to that extent offers opportunities for the 'crusaders' to assist.

Ra responds to a calling and they are probably more effective in responding to those calling than interceding in our affairs in more down-to-earth methods. Remember, there are people that are *not* calling and so can not receive information even if they are capable of processing it. Majority rules here. You can only offer opportunities for them to learn and that is only the responsibility for those who are capable.

I understand what you are saying and accept it as valid. There are many reasons for Wanderers coming into third density incarnations. And these incarnations are probably needed by many many reasons, to lighten up planetary vibration for instance. I was speaking of efficacy of teach/learnings though, and that Ra themselves said about it being an handicap. It is however completely fine to disagree with Ra on that statement. I don't though due my own, as mentioned previous, personal life experiences in third density space/time mind/body complex.

(08-24-2012, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: There haven't been that many wanderers until the 80's.

(08-24-2012, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Probably most of the wanderers are from Ra.

Quote:A significant portion of sixth-density Wanderers are those of our social memory complex. Another large portion consists of those who aided those in South America; another portion, those aiding Atlantis.

(08-24-2012, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It's kind of incestuous.

(08-24-2012, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: There haven't been that many wanderers until the 80's.

zenmaster Wrote:Not sure what your point is. How many need to 'function'? I'm sure they are doing something, it's the best they have to offer. Why is that not sufficient?

zenmaster Wrote:Could also completely obliterate it. Remember world war II followed and Tesla wanted to build a Death Ray. Not really the culture to handle 'free' energy.

zenmaster Wrote:To be blunt, I'd recommend exploring what in your life right now does not seem to be effective.

(08-25-2012, 09:57 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: There haven't been that many wanderers until the 80's.

How do you know this?

(08-25-2012, 09:57 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(08-24-2012, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Probably most of the wanderers are from Ra.

Quote:A significant portion of sixth-density Wanderers are those of our social memory complex. Another large portion consists of those who aided those in South America; another portion, those aiding Atlantis.

(08-24-2012, 11:58 PM)zenmaster Wrote: It's kind of incestuous.

What do you mean?

(08-25-2012, 12:28 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Take a look at the world-population growth.

(08-25-2012, 12:28 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea that the same entity from which the wanderer's came is the same (and only one successful) to guide them to wake up to their status and function? The idea being a rather closed-loop system of learning would be in operation.

(08-25-2012, 12:58 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(08-25-2012, 12:28 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Take a look at the world-population growth.

So you think the number of wanderers is a function of world population size?

If there were 65 million wanderers in 1981, how many do you think there are now?

(08-25-2012, 12:58 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:

(08-25-2012, 12:28 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea that the same entity from which the wanderer's came is the same (and only one successful) to guide them to wake up to their status and function? The idea being a rather closed-loop system of learning would be in operation.

Well, there are certainly a lot of inputs into the loop from the day-to-day catalyst of living on earth.

(08-25-2012, 12:58 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: How many wanderers do you think have been woken up by the Ra material?