(08-21-2012, 11:25 AM)Patrick Wrote:

(08-21-2012, 09:41 AM)Xradfl Wrote: ...Logic ruled everything and if there wasn't a scientific explanation to it, it wasn't valid so I'm come quite a long ways in a short period of time...

Same here my friend. I know what you are going through.

(08-23-2012, 05:00 AM)Parsons Wrote:

(08-21-2012, 01:14 PM)Xradfl Wrote: Sometimes I swear these chanellings are arranged in an exact order of my needs this has happened countless times where I'm dealing with a particular issue and the first channeling I read, specifically deals with my issue.

http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1987/1987_1011.aspx

You are the first person that has pointed this out on this forums(that I'm aware of). I can't help but notice that this has happened to me more times than I can count. I will be mulling over a very specific concept and it will be brought up in the next Q'uo channeling I read. It always amuses me greatly.

In general, I just want to say from what I've read from you in this thread, you have a very strong grasp of the material intellectually/analytically. I am impressed especially considering the length of time since you joined.

(08-23-2012, 11:19 AM)Richard Wrote: I don't think spirituality, prayer and meditation are meant to solve our problems. I think they are meant to balance you, to encourage you and give you an inner peace that allows to physically and mentally deal successfully with the catalyst at hand.

Richard

Quote:19.13
Ra:[. . .]The quickest way to learn is to deal with other-selves. This is a much greater catalyst than dealing with the self. Dealing with the self without other-selves is akin to living without what you would call mirrors. Thus, the self cannot see the fruits of its beingness. Thus, each may aid each by reflection. This is also a primary reason for the weakening of the physical vehicle, as you call the physical complex.

(08-23-2012, 05:00 AM)Parsons Wrote:

(08-21-2012, 01:14 PM)Xradfl Wrote: Sometimes I swear these chanellings are arranged in an exact order of my needs this has happened countless times where I'm dealing with a particular issue and the first channeling I read, specifically deals with my issue.

http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1987/1987_1011.aspx

You are the first person that has pointed this out on this forums(that I'm aware of). I can't help but notice that this has happened to me more times than I can count. I will be mulling over a very specific concept and it will be brought up in the next Q'uo channeling I read. It always amuses me greatly.

In general, I just want to say from what I've read from you in this thread, you have a very strong grasp of the material intellectually/analytically. I am impressed especially considering the length of time since you joined.

(08-23-2012, 01:48 PM)Patrick Wrote: "...indeed it is the only activity worth doing: to learn/teach or teach/learn..." ~ Ra 1.9

"...However, our very being is hopefully a poignant example of both the necessity and the near-hopelessness of attempting to teach..." ~ Ra 1.9

So my friend, spending all your time learning seems like a good idea.

(08-23-2012, 07:19 AM)Cyan Wrote: If i am correct about how Ra channels then the "ra material" itself adjusts in real time around the reader because it is accepted as being "non logical" it has the same logic system as hallusinogens.

(08-23-2012, 11:55 AM)Xradfl Wrote: Yea I found the info via the hidden_hand info a couple months ago then made my way to Ra then the mountain of channelings outside of the Ra channelings. As soon as I started reading, I took off like a rocket when it came to reading as much as possible. I read at least 5 chanellings a day and generall more. I just can't get enough of it

* Parsons starts itching arm manically

(08-23-2012, 04:48 AM)anagogy Wrote:

(08-19-2012, 06:23 PM)zenmaster Wrote: emotions are more like what develops later, after ignoring your communication from your higher self. Communication actually starts more directly from the spirit, then more indirectly to mind, then more indirectly still from mind to body. Basically, subtle to less subtle. Here we have the faculty of intuitive perception to connect with spirit, and when that is ignored we have the unconscious emotional feedback at the lower level of mind and body. So if you're working with emotions, you are working within a much more transient, self-distorted framework of your 'personality shell'. This personal complexity and distortion is necessarily an abstraction layer from communication with higher self. As well as it should be to make things safe enough until there is sufficient acceptance.

I agree that communication from spirit is a translation from the subtle to the less subtle, or gross, however, I don't agree with your perception that emotions are necessarily a lower, or more transient distorted framework of the personality shell. Certainly, I would agree that is the case in some cases. There are "lower frequency emotions" I just don't feel all emotions can be pinned down so specifically.

Emotions are complex translations of vibrational variances in consciousness. Much as your eyes translate different wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation into "colors", or your ears translate different frequencies of vibration into "sounds", your emotions are a translation of vibration also. Emotions register the vibrational variance between belief and desire. Beliefs reside at the indigo, or form-maker level. That is the spectrum of consciousness they belong to. To the degree that these beliefs contradict your 3rd density desires, you translate that variance as "negative emotion". If you are sick, and want to be well, but do not believe you can be, you will necessarily feel bad. The beliefs held in your indigo body will keep your body sick, perpetually, until you change them.

To the degree that those beliefs support your desires, you feel positive emotion. So, in a sense, emotions *are* your communication from spirit. They *are* your intuition (which is only as reliable as you are undistorted). To me, the spirit complex is the relationship between the macrocosm (Logos) and the microcosm (mind/body/spirit complex). Emotions are your perception of this relationship. This is why they are extremely important to evolution. The less distorted the relationship is between the macrocosm and microcosm, the less distorted love/light or light/love one becomes privy to. There is only one emotion and it is love. When one partakes less purely in that love, due to negative belief structures, what we call "lower emotions" are the result.

Everything is a translation of vibration.

(08-23-2012, 09:14 PM)zenmaster Wrote: If you think emotions are a perception, or that they are the intuitive faculty, then this would not be what I was saying or meant. I'm using the term "emotions" in a Jungian, psychological context (as with "intuition"). By the way, "lower emotions" can also be due to positive belief structures so gotta balance that one out.

(08-23-2012, 09:14 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Remember, emotions are an unconscious reaction. The more "pure" one is, the more balanced, or less distorted. So things with personal emotive-charge content tend to diminish, becoming more and more subtle as one evolves. This is how it should be, as unconscious reactions would obviously be reduced with more consciousness. What does increase with that "purity", is the capacity for conscious feeling (again in the Jungian sense). http://tap3x.net/ENSEMBLE/mpage3c.html
Feeling, intuition and emotion are often confused, possibly due to their common time/space (interiors / from periphery of wholeness) natures. intuition would actually be that perception you're looking for, while feeling would be the active evaluation of something.

(08-24-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote: Perhaps that is the cause of our differences in viewpoints here, that you are looking at things through a "Jungian" lens. Since, there is no universally accepted definition for feeling, emotion, and intuition, naturally there will be differences in peoples viewpoints. My lens is definitely not a Jungian one.

(08-19-2012, 02:31 PM)Xradfl Wrote: Edit: It appears as if this should have been in the life on earth forum but I can't delete it so if a mod wants to move it, I'm ok with that

One of the hardest points right now for me is finding the balance between the two. At this current juncture in my life, I am in a precarious position in that to be able to pick myself back up financially speaking and get off of the mattress on my parents floor after a nasty divorce, I am forced to find a second job due to child support

I am an X-ray tech and jobs are ridiculously hard to find so I'm having to constantly check job sites along with various hospital sites to ensure that I can apply as soon as the job is posted so that I have a chance at it.

The problem that I run in to is that a some points, if I'm to have faith in my higher selfs path, it feels like I'm forcing the issue thus reenabling an already estalished pattern of impatience that I have come to realize.

So with that said, to have complete faith in your intended path, are you supposed to just sit back and allow your intended path to simply jump into your lap or is there some sort of benefit to having ambition to improve ones life outside of the spiritual path?

I realize that I have all that I need in this particular illusion to allow my spirtual evolution but it's to a point where I feel like I'm limiting the amount of service to not only my daughter but to my hopeful new relationship along with any hope of actually being self reliant ever again.

(08-24-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 09:14 PM)zenmaster Wrote: If you think emotions are a perception, or that they are the intuitive faculty, then this would not be what I was saying or meant. I'm using the term "emotions" in a Jungian, psychological context (as with "intuition"). By the way, "lower emotions" can also be due to positive belief structures so gotta balance that one out.

Can you explain what you mean by positive belief structures causing lower emotions (that is to say, negative emotions)? It has been my experience, that positive belief structures do the exact opposite of causing negative emotion. Perhaps an example, so I can better understand?

(08-24-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote:

(08-23-2012, 09:14 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Remember, emotions are an unconscious reaction. The more "pure" one is, the more balanced, or less distorted. So things with personal emotive-charge content tend to diminish, becoming more and more subtle as one evolves. This is how it should be, as unconscious reactions would obviously be reduced with more consciousness. What does increase with that "purity", is the capacity for conscious feeling (again in the Jungian sense). http://tap3x.net/ENSEMBLE/mpage3c.html
Feeling, intuition and emotion are often confused, possibly due to their common time/space (interiors / from periphery of wholeness) natures. intuition would actually be that perception you're looking for, while feeling would be the active evaluation of something.

Perhaps that is the cause of our differences in viewpoints here, that you are looking at things through a "Jungian" lens. Since, there is no universally accepted definition for feeling, emotion, and intuition, naturally there will be differences in peoples viewpoints. My lens is definitely not a Jungian one.

(08-24-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote: There are some things I can agree with however.

As one becomes more balanced, more in tune with the macrocosm, one becomes more conscious. Control over ones thoughts, or focus of consciousness, increases. Since emotions are reactions based on thoughts, control of these increase by default.

(08-24-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote: As a result, there are less contradictions, or distortions, within the balanced being. The emotional state becomes one of complete joy, love, happiness, acceptance, or appreciation. These words all approach, yet fall short, of the permanent state of consciousness we all exist in, but is hidden from our conscious minds by our egoic distortions.

(08-24-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote: The line between intuition, and emotions is very fine. You can't really separate them in my opinion.

(08-24-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote: From my perspective, intuition is a natural byproduct of the interconnectedness of all things. Since, ultimately, outside the illusion of separation, we are all One, we automatically have access to all things unconsciously.

(08-24-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote: We all have access to a sort of omniscience. The reliability of that omniscience is in direct proportion to the clarity of our minds -- a factor of how distorted or imbalanced we are. How distorted we are, is registered, at least partly, by our emotional state. The more distorted you are, less love/light you partake in consciously. Someone at inner peace, feeling love in their hearts, and existing in a state of joy will have a more comprehensive and accurate access to intuition, then someone who lives in a state of emotional disharmony. From my viewpoint, this would be indicative they had eliminated a great deal of the distortions within their consciousness. All distortions are the result of misaligned thought.

(08-24-2012, 01:52 AM)anagogy Wrote: Though there are differences in our perspectives, I can appreciate, in my own way, where you are coming from. Oftentimes people use different words to describe the same fundamental mechanism, but even so, one can still see the essential mechanism at work in the exchange of seemingly different descriptions.