(06-26-2012, 09:16 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(06-26-2012, 08:39 PM)Patrick Wrote: I would like to know more about the ways we could do away completely with animal products.

What sort of supplements are needed ? Or are there foodstuff that can fully replace all animal products for all humans ?

Thank you in advance my friends.

http://www.vegsoc.org/page.aspx?pid=519

(06-26-2012, 08:39 PM)Patrick Wrote: I would like to know more about the ways we could do away completely with animal products.

What sort of supplements are needed ? Or are there foodstuff that can fully replace all animal products for all humans ?

Thank you in advance my friends.

(06-26-2012, 09:52 PM)Patrick Wrote: Thank you.

(06-26-2012, 09:52 PM)Patrick Wrote: So Amaranth for complete protein, low-salt yeast extract for B12, ground flaxseed for Omega 3, seaweeds such as kelp for Vit K and Iodine and Sun for Vit D.

(06-26-2012, 09:52 PM)Patrick Wrote: Seems simple enough.

(06-26-2012, 09:52 PM)Patrick Wrote: Incidentally, I have some golden giant amaranth growing in my garden this summer.

(06-27-2012, 01:47 PM)Patrick Wrote: I am looking at it from the perspective of a vegan who would not have access to any supplements and who is pregnant. With what I listed, this mother and her baby should have all that is needed without any animals in the equation. I find this a bit surprising (a good surprise of course).

(06-19-2012, 03:29 PM)Bring4th_Admin Wrote: With the opening of the Health and Diet forum, we also re-open the temporarily closed discussion titled, In Regards to Eating Meat.

However, the discussion will take place in the course of a new thread, titled, A Friendly Conversation: Exploring Omnivorous vs. Vegetarian Diet. The old thread, In Regards to Eating Meat will remain closed and archived for reference purposes.

(06-19-2012, 03:29 PM)Bring4th_Admin Wrote: -----REVIEW-----
Those of vegetarian orientation have a conviction. Their conviction is, *in general*, that it is better not to consume or slaughter animal flesh, and not to contribute the self's personal energies to the system of that consumption..

Much in the way that most if not all of us feel that compassion is more evolved than hatred, humility more evolved than pride, spiritual seeking more evolved than dogmatic religious indoctrination, and iPods more evolved than 8-tracks, the vegetarians' is an unbending certainty that the path of vegetarianism is more evolved than the path of meat eating. The vegetarians' reasons rest principally on the compassion they feel for the suffering of second-density creatures, along with the benefits they feel that vegetarianism brings for the health of the planet’s biosphere and the health of individuals, among perhaps other reasons.

Those of vegetarian seeking wouldn’t be following this understanding and making it their way of life and communicating so passionately if they didn’t feel it was a higher path. When a conviction is felt and perceived so strongly that one dedicates ones life to its principles, then one feels it be the best choice for the self.

(06-19-2012, 03:29 PM)Bring4th_Admin Wrote: The use of the shorthand “vegetarians” and “meat-eaters” can save time, but the trap of this is that one loses the distinction between the label and the entity, the entity which is the Creator and perfect as he/she is.

(07-14-2012, 12:07 AM)indolering Wrote: Being vegetarian benefits the self as well as otherselves and environment. By not participating in animal cruelty and not ingesting animal products one's karma is less, and one's health and one's overall well-being are refined and enhanced. These are real improvements and spiritual indicators which may motivate one to abstain from such practices. Vegetarianism benefits everyone, most notably oneself.

(07-14-2012, 06:53 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(07-14-2012, 12:07 AM)indolering Wrote: Being vegetarian benefits the self as well as otherselves and environment. By not participating in animal cruelty and not ingesting animal products one's karma is less, and one's health and one's overall well-being are refined and enhanced. These are real improvements and spiritual indicators which may motivate one to abstain from such practices. Vegetarianism benefits everyone, most notably oneself.

I agree with this but would rearrange it a bit:

Vegetarianism benefits everyone, most notably the direct victims (the animals). Benefits to self are bonus.

(07-14-2012, 09:10 PM)indolering Wrote: I concur. But the benefits to oneself are not insignificant. To reach enlightenment by dint of hard work, discipline and dedication is the fruit of many, many lifetimes, and some would say is the primary purpose of human life. But we're quibbling here; the benefits are manifold for all involved and redound wholly to the Good.

(07-14-2012, 09:15 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(07-14-2012, 09:10 PM)indolering Wrote: I concur. But the benefits to oneself are not insignificant. To reach enlightenment by dint of hard work, discipline and dedication is the fruit of many, many lifetimes, and some would say is the primary purpose of human life. But we're quibbling here; the benefits are manifold for all involved and redound wholly to the Good.

Agreed! There is no down side to going vegetarian. None.

(07-14-2012, 09:56 PM)indolering Wrote: No the riders will not stop us
'Cause the only drug they'll find is paradise
Oh we'll belivin' in a paradise
The riders will not stop us
'cause the only love they'll find is paradise
(Future love paradise)

(07-19-2012, 08:20 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: C'mon admit it...Doesn't this look more appealing than a bloody chicken?

(07-19-2012, 08:20 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: C'mon admit it...Doesn't this look more appealing than a bloody chicken?

(06-27-2012, 03:04 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: And this book looks great but dang it's expensive!

Evie's Kitchen: Raising an Ecstatic Child by Shazzie

(07-24-2012, 06:47 PM)Goldenratio Wrote: Confirmed omnivore here, when talking with, or listening to people of assorted and sundry fauna restricted diets one of the words that comes up is "consumption". To me, if it merely referred to the eating of meat, such an... archaic(not sure if this is the right word to use) term denotes some sort of special meaning.

Im familiar with all the numerous reasons and explanations people give as to why they feel it a moral imperative to not eat animals. Out of all of those reasons, about the only that really... calls to me, is the manner in which industrial scale animal agriculture produces its products. One of my goals is to get to the point where near all the meat me and mine eat would have been hunted or otherwise personally harvested by me or mine. Now in the meantime, yeah, I still eat meat. There are a lot of things wrong with our modern system, id like to help push things over to a more responsible way, but im picking my battles so to speak.

I suppose why ive never really given the whole vegetarian thing a serious look, is that its concern for animals seems like the extraordinary length that Jains do in even sweeping the path on which they walk of insects.

(07-24-2012, 06:47 PM)Goldenratio Wrote: I suppose why ive never really given the whole vegetarian thing a serious look, is that its concern for animals seems like the extraordinary length that Jains do in even sweeping the path on which they walk of insects.

(07-24-2012, 06:47 PM)Goldenratio Wrote: im picking my battles so to speak.

(07-24-2012, 06:47 PM)Goldenratio Wrote: I suppose why ive never really given the whole vegetarian thing a serious look, is that its concern for animals seems like the extraordinary length that Jains do in even sweeping the path on which they walk of insects.

(07-26-2012, 12:41 AM)ocean50 Wrote: I think it would be so hard to raise and kill my own animals to eat. I would get attached very quickly. I totally could do the egg thing though. I could see maybe when the animals die naturally one could consider eating them, to kind of honor them in a way.
Actually I think almost everyone would be vegetarian if they had to kill their own food.

(07-26-2012, 07:54 PM)Spaced Wrote: Yeah . . . I have to say one of the most traumatizing days in my life came when I was really desperate for money and living out in the country. I took a job at a meat packing plant and I lasted about half a day. The job was to stand on a disassembly line in this super-heated room covered head to toe in protective gear while turkey after turkey came along hooked onto this rail that led back into a different room where the turkeys had been killed by means of boiling them alive and then having their heads and feet cut off. My particular role on that line was to reach up into the bird and grab it's little heart and tear it out along with the lungs. That interspersed with moving bins full of severed turkey feet or heads and mopping blood.

When it came time for lunch I just got my stuff and walked out of the place. Walked the 5 or so km home just not really thinking about anything. I smelled of death . . . When I was trying to get to sleep that night just as I was drifting off I would feel the exact sensation of my hand wrapping around a turkey's heart and I would wake up like a shot. That lasted for a week or more.

Now I think of that whenever I'm eating processed meats and it definitely does not appeal to me as much