(05-23-2012, 11:01 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:

(05-23-2012, 03:01 AM)Meerie Wrote: How can you know the intent of a person giving the like?
how can you say it is divisive?
Isn't it more that maybe you didn't agree with the message conveyed in the post, and thusly you might feel uncomfortable someone else expressing a like for this post?
I think it belongs to everyone's free will to press the like button, or not. Why speculate on any kind of motivation behind it?

I agree with all that Pablisimo said in answer to your questions, and add this:

My only issue with the like button is when people use it not to like, but to dislike.

What I mean by that is when someone says something harsh, critical, or even downright nasty about someone, and that negative post gets the most likes of any post in the whole thread.

That is divisive. There's no speculation here. It's blatant. It's negative, it's divisive, it's hurtful, and it's contrary to the original intention of the like button. It's using something that was intended to be positive and uplifting, to tear someone down.

I've seen this happen many, many, many times here at B4. And what's interesting is that it's almost always the same clusters of people. A year or so ago, there was a certain cluster of people who 'liked' negative posts directed at a certain individual. Later, a different cluster of people did the same thing, directed at a different individual. And then that same cluster of people did it towards yet another individual. So I've observed maybe 2 or 3 clusters of people using the like button in a negative way, towards maybe 5 or 6 particular people.

At one of these times, the term dog-pile was used. That sums it up. It's a subtle, sneaky way to ostracize.

I don't think this has any place in a community with such high values as Bring4th. I think the negative outweighs the positive. Of course, as with any tool, it's not the fault of the tool. It's just a tool. Like a knife intended to chop vegetables, being used to kill someone. It's not the fault of the knife; the fault is in how it's used. But as long as people are going to use something that was intended as an uplifting thing, in a way to hurt others, then at least we shouldn't make it easy for them by handing over the knife.

(05-24-2012, 07:18 AM)Oldern Wrote: Uhm, you could, maybe, just maybe, ignore the likes given to a "hurtful" post? And whether something is hurtful or not is entirely determined by that who is supposed to be "hurt" by the comment. I think that it is more than ridiculous to even contemplate on removing a button that does nothing but adds a like number to a post because you do not like when a group of people empower each other against their percieved opponent. What is the difference between cliques liking ech other's post (something which I have seen in arguments from BOTH sides quite a few times) or cliques discusing things in PM and then coming up with a consensus answer? One is transparent, other is not. Liking something is transparent, it is clear, it is visible. The interpretation? That is up to the individual.

(05-24-2012, 07:30 AM)Shemaya Wrote: I don't think it's divisive, I just use it to express appreciation.

(05-24-2012, 07:30 AM)Shemaya Wrote: And I feel appreciated if someone likes my post. And if no one likes my post than I have some catalyst to reinforce self-esteem within myself.

(05-24-2012, 07:30 AM)Shemaya Wrote: I can see it being divisive in the vegetarian/meat thread, but that topic was divisive and the like button was not the cause of the contention.

(05-24-2012, 01:30 PM)Oceania Wrote: i think you're over thinking it. it just means like. that's a good thing.

(05-24-2012, 01:06 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: Let's take it a step further then. Let's just ignore all hurtful comments altogether, and eliminate guideline #1. It's all so subjective.

(05-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Oceania Wrote: depends on what you mean dogpiled. i dunno what happened.

i think if the intention of the giver is to just like the post, then that's all that should matter.

(05-24-2012, 01:58 PM)Oceania Wrote: if you project something to it that makes you feel offended i think you're just trying to be offended.

(05-24-2012, 02:21 PM)Oldern Wrote: I see no point in living in the past - it does not matter what happened there. It literally does not matter: it is past for a reason. We past by it.

(05-24-2012, 02:21 PM)Oldern Wrote: Forum comments are also a tool for expressing contradictory, hurtful-to-some posts. Should they be removed as well?

(05-24-2012, 02:21 PM)Oldern Wrote: And this is not an analogy or an exaggeration: if you go on the internet, you WILL find opposition to any idea, as long as you are consciously looking for it. If you accept this, you will no longer be bothered with it.

(05-24-2012, 02:34 PM)Oceania Wrote: you got offended on their behalf. same thing. why not just leave it alone when it has nothing to do with you? did someone write to you pleading for help to rescue them from likes? that sounds absurd.

(05-24-2012, 02:32 PM)Patrick Wrote: LOL Monica ! You're a good story teller. Really Laughing Out Loud here.

(05-24-2012, 02:44 PM)Oceania Wrote: i don't think you see how compassion sometimes works.

(05-24-2012, 02:55 PM)Oceania Wrote: i'm sorry Monica i didn't mean to imply you don't understand compassion. maybe i just don't get your point on this. i really don't. we're lucky if all we get in life is a few likes on posts that hurt our feelings.

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and your intent to stick up for people is admirable. but i'm just saying there's caution and there's overcaution.

(05-24-2012, 02:44 PM)Oceania Wrote: i don't think you see how compassion sometimes works. sometimes you gotta let people fight their own battles.

(05-24-2012, 03:25 PM)Pickle Wrote:

(05-24-2012, 02:44 PM)Oceania Wrote: i don't think you see how compassion sometimes works. sometimes you gotta let people fight their own battles.

Compassion is what causes us to intervene on someones behalf. We are moving to 4D where compassion is the rule, not 5D where wisdom is the rule. I see some confusing higher density compassion with non intervention. This would be fine if this were 5D.

I am 3D moving in the flow to 4D, I have no imaginations of myself being some 128D entity here just to "believe" in change. I have to make change.

(05-23-2012, 11:01 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: [quote='Meerie' pid='86534' dateline='1337756512']
How can you know the intent of a person giving the like?
how can you say it is divisive?

(05-23-2012, 11:01 AM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I don't think this has any place in a community with such high values as Bring4th. I think the negative outweighs the positive. Of course, as with any tool, it's not the fault of the tool. It's just a tool. Like a knife intended to chop vegetables, being used to kill someone. It's not the fault of the knife; the fault is in how it's used. But as long as people are going to use something that was intended as an uplifting thing, in a way to hurt others, then at least we shouldn't make it easy for them by handing over the knife.

(05-24-2012, 03:33 PM)Oceania Wrote: also, there's nothing wrong with sticking up for people, but i think a like is the same as a post.

(05-24-2012, 03:33 PM)Oceania Wrote: if someone posts something mean and another person likes it they both show themselves to be mean people equally and that only reflects badly on them, not the person they intend to hurt with it. also a like button goes both ways, it can give someone support. what if missdolly got picked on and someone posted a comment in her defence and everyone like that post, that would let missdolly know she has that much support even from people who don't wanna chime in verbally for some reason, they can still show support with a like.

Quote: i mean look at that bill where they wanna make everyone have to post under their own name on the internet. if that happened we'd be so effed to the uck.