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RE: Being in service to others - fairyfarmgirl - 01-08-2009

(01-04-2009, 01:33 AM)WhiteBear Wrote: I think Ra might have tried a few ways, but then he/she/it probably felt like I do when I try to explain algebra to my cat BigSmile

WB

Please share with us your understanding of crystallization. There are many references to crystallization, but I don't think I ever really grasped what it really is.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

Absolutely! This is a knowing not a telling experience.
fairyfarmgirl


RE: Being in service to others - ChakRAmon - 01-08-2009

I agree with DreamingPeace AugustEarth, very astute!!! You have hit on something that I was trying to shine a light on, the heart and soul of the equation instead of just considering the math. If one were simply trying to get it right as per the math so well covered in L of O, one could be technically attempting to satisfy the requirements from a somewhat selfish perspective. I really don't think this is the case for the vast majority of L of O students, but your getting to the heart and soul of how the universe works (service to others) is displayed very well in your comment. By the way, is that you FFG? So cool that you are here!!!!! Love/Light, ChakRAmon


RE: Being in service to others - Bring4th_Steve - 01-08-2009

(01-08-2009, 02:55 PM)ChakRAmon Wrote: I agree with DreamingPeace AugustEarth, very astute!!! You have hit on something that I was trying to shine a light on, the heart and soul of the equation instead of just considering the math. If one were simply trying to get it right as per the math so well covered in L of O, one could be technically attempting to satisfy the requirements from a somewhat selfish perspective. I really don't think this is the case for the vast majority of L of O students, but your getting to the heart and soul of how the universe works (service to others) is displayed very well in your comment. By the way, is that you FFG? So cool that you are here!!!!! Love/Light, ChakRAmon

Oh, cool.. ChakRamon, I didn't consider that people could selfishly try to pump up their numeric contributions.. That's a good point.

These posts have been outstanding. I have gone from thinking it could be somewhat quantitative to realizing that our graduating point has to be qualitative and completely based on our own judgment. And for those who have been reading the other forum about what Crystallization means, this would be the perfect time to interject that it is entirely possible we judge ourselves based on how crystallized we are in our being in service to others.

Well done, everyone!
Steve


RE: Being in service to others - ChakRAmon - 01-09-2009

I so love this ongoing discussion Steve!!!! Several of us at the Transformation Team portal were trying to jumpstart a Law of One discussion by using the Introduction as the first forum, and then we got as far as a book one forum where it ended up being just two of us posting what we were getting out of each session (in book one). I anticipate great things for this new Bring4th project! Very exciting!!! I loved your comment about qualitative instead of quantitative. One of mankind's most common "cryptonite" habits is to reduce something fundamentally sound like the Law of One data to mere religion. I have a feeling that what we are experiencing when learning the Law of One message which is such a common message also very well featured in Secrets of the UFO 4 years prior to L of O, that what we are experiencing is the wonderful lesson of getting away from the concept of earning something like gold stars or brownie points through personal effort and getting on to the understanding of wonderful synchronicity, spontaneity and the quite natural processes of the Creator's playhouse (3 dimensions of space and 3 dimensions of time) and our place and interaction in and with these natural processes as we begin to willfully submit ourselves back to reality, that which we have forgotten for a spell while playing in this particular 3rd density playground of self conscious illusion.

We are returning to understanding and with understanding and remembering will come, quite naturally and spontaneously, ascension toward the next level of spiritual evolution, and all of this while we already exist infinitely as our higher self or over soul in the much higher densities. We spontaneously move there, not because we have somehow earned the right, but because we have reached a level of unconflicted understanding that activates the very natural and simple processes that this amazing playhouse is grounded in and founded on in Love and Light.....

I say these things to keep them at the forefront of my awareness until these truths be so firmly grounded in the root of mind that spontaneity is reached by natural critical mass, just like the changing frequency of the photon.... I do not believe in the supernatural - I believe ALL of it is quite natural while the full scope of this awesome celestial divine sacred nature awaits our personal and collective willful deliverance from willful ignorance, pride and fear.... and with that naturally comes enlightenment, the awakening from the dream through the unconflicted heartfelt unwavoring desire for understanding....
Love/Light, ChakRAmon


RE: Being in service to others - Steppingfeet - 01-11-2009

Quote:I say these things to keep them at the forefront of my awareness until these truths be so firmly grounded in the root of mind that spontaneity is reached by natural critical mass, just like the changing frequency of the photon....

Well said chakRAmon!! This reminds me of something Ra said about the entity becoming "smoothly activated" by, what I interpret to mean, the constant, unending, repeated attempts to focus upon the Creator.

Quote:Session #52
At some point the mind/body/spirit complex is so smoothly activated and balanced by these central thoughts or distortions that the techniques you have mentioned become quite significant. However, the universe, its mystery unbroken, is one. Always begin and end in the Creator, not in technique.

This, like the seeking of love within the moment, is so "central an act of will" that it empowers our progress. Even if there are flaws due to insincerity, we are calling upon a power buried within every fiber and within every cell of our beings. That power, that truth begins to awaken and begins to respond to our attempts to seek and honor it, to bring it into conscious manifestation.

We continually keep this focus in the, as you said, forefront of our minds and in so doing, coupled with the practice of meditation, this focus sinks down and connects with the roots of mind, transforming these separate selves.

Love and Light,
GLB


RE: Being in service to others - 3D Sunset - 01-11-2009

Thanks for another great thread, Steve. I have several passing thoughts that I'd like to share.

First, I think it is quite possible (but also very unusual) for someone that has lived strongly STS to instantly transform to a harvestable STO configuration. A great example of one from literature would be Ebenezer Scrooge from A Christmas Carol. I use that example because I think it points out how such a thing is both plausable and achievable. Can't we all relate to both aspects of Scrooge in the story?

As for the math involved in calculating harvestabilty, Ra was clear on many occasions that the true measure of such was evident from the violet or ray of the individual. Note that the violet ray is different for harvestable STS and STO individuals.

Quote:Ra Book II Session 33

Questioner: Yes, here is one question. Is there any difference in violet ray activity or brightness between entities who are at entrance level both positive and negative to fourth-density?

Ra: I am Ra. This correct. The violet ray of the positive fourth-density will be tinged with the green, blue, indigo triad of energies. This tinge may be seen as a portion of a rainbow or prism, as you know it, the rays being quite distinct.

The violet ray of fourth-density negative has in its aura, shall we say, the tinge of red, orange, yellow, these rays being muddied rather than distinct.

Other diffrerences are also noted

Quote:Ra Book II, Session 34

Ra: I am Ra. This violet ray is the only consideration for fourth-density positive. In assessing the harvestable fourth-density negative, the intensity of the red as well as the orange and the yellow rays is looked upon quite carefully as a great deal of stamina and energy of this type is necessary for the negative progression, it being extremely difficult to open the gateway to intelligent infinity from the solar plexus center. This is necessary for harvest in fourthdensity negative.

And also in regards the violet ray during the actual process of Harvest:

Quote:Ra Book II, Session 48

Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true color yellow.

Much discussion is also focused on the need for balance of energy centers, wherein each individual's optimum balance between centers is different. The following quote is within the context of healing, but clearly has significance beyond that.

Quote:Ra Book III, Session 75

Ra: I am Ra. Any entity may at any time instantaneously clear and balance its energy centers. Thus in many cases those normally quite blocked, weakened, and distorted may, through love and strength of will, become healers momentarily. To be a healer by nature one must indeed train its self in the disciplines of the personality.

Ra also equates "Balance" with "Crystalization"

Quote:Ra Book II, Session 29

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct only in so far as the crystalline physical
structure is charged by a correspondingly crystallized or regularized or
balanced mind/body/spirit complex.

So to summarize, what is of utmost importance for Harvestability is the violet ray, which represents the measure of the overall balance of the individual (and hence it's ability to tap into Intelligenct infinity). For a deathbed epiphany to take place, a harvestable or nearly harvestable STS entity would have to significantly transform his/her energy center activation, and activate largely dorment Green and Blue rays, while reconfiguring their Red, Orange and Yellow Rays. A pretty impressive feat, but again, one not entirely unheardof, I'm sure.

3D Sunset


RE: Being in service to others - BrotherAsa - 01-11-2009

What a fascinating dual thread. Crystallization and service to others, a perfect match.

The only way I have of visualizing crystallization is what I have been able to gather from plasma physics. When a plasma/energy field is subjected to certain frequencies of vibration the field will form without any outside influence certain geometric patterns which can be thought of as being crystall patterns. The most fascinating portion of this to me is that those patterns will often take the shape of what is known as sacred geometric figures. I think of crystallization as being able to process the in-streaming intelligent infinity/energy through the chakras which in turn causes the energy center to form one of these sacred geometric figures. If I have not opened up to the Law of One I will block the flow of energy through the centers which will be manifested externally by various "symptoms" such as blaming others, etc.

As for the determination of whether one is sufficiently either STO or STS for harvest, I think that the post relating to Ra indicating that it is the violet ray which determines whether one is ready for fourth density or not is on the mark. I think that the violet ray or gateway to intelligent infinity for a person to be considered sufficiently STO would have to be at least 51% open. To achieve such opening a person would have to be sufficient spiritually advanced to have the chakras from red to green open with green not necessarily fully open but sufficient to be able to process over half of the incoming intelligent infinity.

When we speak of STO I can't see it as being simply going out and working in a soup kitchen, helping the nearest panhandler, etc. as something mechanical. Rather I see STO as being something one does spontaneously from the heart on the spur of the moment. You could see a child standing alone in a mall crying and you, instead of walking by not wanting to get involved, stop and help the child. You hear of a family that needs help and without joining some organized effort you do what you can to help. If the ability to be harvestable was merely the racking up of "points" then it would become a game and that's not what the Law of One is about.

I guess the underlying unspoken question is how do you know whether you are harvestable or not. Personally, I believe that if you ask yourself and truly listen for the answer you will know whether at this you have or haven't progressed to that point. If you haven't quite gotten there is it something to fret about? No, you ask for guidance how to move toward being more open hearted but the progress, in my opinion, should never be pursued for the purpose of "making 4D" but rather to become as One with Creator.

Movement toward 8D will occur eventually anyway, I try to dedicate the living of this incarnation to becoming closer to being One with Creator without setting any goals other than to provide as much experiencing feedback to Creator as possible. If when I walk the steps I am such that I am sufficiently of violet ray to be 4D then I will at some point make the decision as to what it is I will do in the next incarnation.

I only express my view and none other. I do not ask that you accept my view but merely acknowledge that is the view I hold and from your heart simply allow me to do so. As Ra has indicated there is no right and no wrong and truth is relative to the point of progression.


RE: Being in service to others - ChakRAmon - 01-12-2009

Reading the wonderful comments from Bring4th_GLB, 3DSunset and BrotherASA today is pure celestial delight! Not only is the discussion alive and well, but the understanding is enlightened. When GLB quoted, (is so) "central an act of will" (that it empowers our progress), I instantly thought of two unrelated (as far as I know anyway) examples of other teachers (student/teachers - learn/teach, teach/learn) who also stress "intent" over technique - The Dog Whisperer and Jonathan Goldman of healingsounds.com.

There is a growing/expanding understanding of "conscious intent" under way in both the scientific disciplines and more esoteric disciplines which is very exciting. Many messages have similarly stated that science and spirituality will finally merge and cooperate, and this will send real knowledge and understanding of the way things really work on a more parabolic curve. We live in such exciting times!!! Ra and so many others so long involved in helping to encourage growth and understanding must be doing back flips right now as they witness the fruits of their very patient labor of Love and Light, as they witness such a positive and passionate organically growing result of understanding and expanded Consciousness.

GLB's quote from session #52 made me think back to Ra's fascinating description of what black holes actually are, a most phenomenal manifestation of an extremely intense seeking/desire by each galaxy (I believe they now know that there is a black hole at the center of every galaxy), each sub-Logos galactic intelligent entity ever seeking to be closer in undistorted Union with their Source/Creator. To know that gravity is so much more than a mathematical equation, to know that it is the manifestation of all of Creation in this construct of many-ness ever swirling back toward the Source, the One, the Prime Creator, Unity. I have a feeling that pondering the intense behavior of black holes may be a very useful asset during meditation.

And then the wonderfully enlightened erudite comments of 3D Sunset and BrotherASA concerning crystalline structure/behavior as it relates to spiritual growth and comment on chakra colors, balance and violet ray variations of the crown chakra. The comment on crystalization and frequency relating to sacred geometry made me think upon the Merkabah, Star Tetrahedron, nature's sacred geometry chariot. I will never look at the Star of David the same way again. I often wonder how many of the Jewish faith actually know what they really have there in that geometric shape of two tetrahedrons....

Love/Light, ChakRAmon


RE: Being in service to others - irpsit - 01-23-2009

It's a great joy to here sharing this conversations (and energies) with you!
Blush

I see it the green ray as becoming heart-open to understand and link to other people or entities. This is what is called by compassion or understanding. It is love in a sense, don't you think?

Green ray is when we feel love for a situation in which we help or act for the common good or the good of another-self.
Like the beautiful example mentioned here of hearing a child crying in the street and help them out.

Furthermore, catalyst seems to be brought in many way, for example by Karma (when something happens, or you feel something), or by an astrological period of change or confrontation with an issue or an energy. The catalyst makes you deal with some situation and bring from you, some of your being (and hence the STO option).

And there is always free will potential for choice.

I must, in a humble way, admit that I still feel in many situations the need for a catalyst to make me ponder a choice towards STO from my neutral state.
I have come to cross with the issue of questioning if my job had any value for otherselves (it is medicine research), but then I was reaching out the conclusion I was struggling with that and maybe alignment more with serving myself than otherselves!
Anyway, I also think we should care for a maximum state of inner peace, joy and love, so that we can fully give them out to otherselves.
But the 51% would come, by having something to choose in favour of others in situations you will well know in your heart Wink

All the best, sweet dreams to everybody here... Angel

(01-12-2009, 05:13 PM)ChakRAmon Wrote: Reading the wonderful comments from Bring4th_GLB, 3DSunset and BrotherASA today is pure celestial delight! Not only is the discussion alive and well, but the understanding is enlightened. When GLB quoted, (is so) "central an act of will" (that it empowers our progress), I instantly thought of two unrelated (as far as I know anyway) examples of other teachers (student/teachers - learn/teach, teach/learn) who also stress "intent" over technique - The Dog Whisperer and Jonathan Goldman of healingsounds.com.

There is a growing/expanding understanding of "conscious intent" under way in both the scientific disciplines and more esoteric disciplines which is very exciting. Many messages have similarly stated that science and spirituality will finally merge and cooperate, and this will send real knowledge and understanding of the way things really work on a more parabolic curve. We live in such exciting times!!! Ra and so many others so long involved in helping to encourage growth and understanding must be doing back flips right now as they witness the fruits of their very patient labor of Love and Light, as they witness such a positive and passionate organically growing result of understanding and expanded Consciousness.

GLB's quote from session #52 made me think back to Ra's fascinating description of what black holes actually are, a most phenomenal manifestation of an extremely intense seeking/desire by each galaxy (I believe they now know that there is a black hole at the center of every galaxy), each sub-Logos galactic intelligent entity ever seeking to be closer in undistorted Union with their Source/Creator. To know that gravity is so much more than a mathematical equation, to know that it is the manifestation of all of Creation in this construct of many-ness ever swirling back toward the Source, the One, the Prime Creator, Unity. I have a feeling that pondering the intense behavior of black holes may be a very useful asset during meditation.

And then the wonderfully enlightened erudite comments of 3D Sunset and BrotherASA concerning crystalline structure/behavior as it relates to spiritual growth and comment on chakra colors, balance and violet ray variations of the crown chakra. The comment on crystalization and frequency relating to sacred geometry made me think upon the Merkabah, Star Tetrahedron, nature's sacred geometry chariot. I will never look at the Star of David the same way again. I often wonder how many of the Jewish faith actually know what they really have there in that geometric shape of two tetrahedrons....

Love/Light, ChakRAmon



RE: Being in service to others - micjer - 01-24-2009

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbk980jV7Ao


This short video demonstrates to me what STO really means...


RE: Being in service to others - AppleSeed - 01-26-2009

So much food for thought in this thread.

I am someone who have over the years been greatly helped by finding the LOO and Quo material online - many many thanks for making this available! One of the most helpful ideas for me has been that of facing our shadows (unprocessed catalyst) and balancing the same, as the shadows will surface when the time is right, whenever they are blocking further progress. The place I am in now is so much lighter than that of just a few years ago...

Balancing can also be utilized in polarizing, I believe. As we tune our desire to more fully be of service, we can also rest fully in the knowledge that the present moment is perfect. It is quite possible to at the same time have an insatiable thirst for change and a full acceptance of that which is given. I love paradox. The fear of not reaching 51% seems to suggest a slight imbalance towards the yearning part (while, of course, in itself also being perfect...), or am I mistaken?

-B


RE: Being in service to others - irpsit - 01-27-2009

Wink Yes AppleSeed, I think you have said it all.
Balancing my making our inner peace, realizing the perfection when bettering ourselves to serve more others, while not worring if we are reaching of a percentage or not.

Yes, finding our shadow aspects and bringing them light, seems really a nice idea RollEyes
Transforming those desires and asking ourselves "what I want to be in this particular situation, what would love do in this particular case, am I honoring others and myself, and all creation with this decision?"

All the best for all of you,

(01-26-2009, 02:55 PM)AppleSeed Wrote: So much food for thought in this thread.

I am someone who have over the years been greatly helped by finding the LOO and Quo material online - many many thanks for making this available! One of the most helpful ideas for me has been that of facing our shadows (unprocessed catalyst) and balancing the same, as the shadows will surface when the time is right, whenever they are blocking further progress. The place I am in now is so much lighter than that of just a few years ago...

Balancing can also be utilized in polarizing, I believe. As we tune our desire to more fully be of service, we can also rest fully in the knowledge that the present moment is perfect. It is quite possible to at the same time have an insatiable thirst for change and a full acceptance of that which is given. I love paradox. The fear of not reaching 51% seems to suggest a slight imbalance towards the yearning part (while, of course, in itself also being perfect...), or am I mistaken?

-B



RE: Being in service to others - ayadew - 02-06-2009

Being in service to others? Reading this forum, of course! BigSmile


RE: Being in service to others - peelstreetguy - 08-11-2009

Really great thread!!! Thanks to 3D sunset for pointing me in the direction of this thread and thanks to everyone who has contributed. Some great insights!


RE: Being in service to others - Whitefeather - 08-12-2009

Thought-form is energy

The first thing is to realize that thoughts are energy and that the simple action of focusing our thoughts or feelings on anything or on anyone brings energy to the people or to the things we are focusing our energy upon.

It is simple when you think about it.
The whole reason for life is to be found in the production of energy, all kinds of energies. Each chakra produces its different distortion of energy.

People focusing on getting money get it eventually. It is because of their focus upon it.

When we think about somebody, we give them energy, like a gift. If we have good feelings for them, we send them heart energy (green ray).
Imagination is a powerful tool for manifestation.

If we create bad thoughts about people we know, like envy, jalousie, fear or dislike, or if we constantly focus upon their little defects, even if they are good people, they will get ill eventually and will encounter all sorts of problems in their life, from the mental images others around have created. If you see them everyday, they may even become what you think they are... Why? Because we are co-creators, all of us are. We all co-create one another.

When our thoughts are positively orientated towards people, we give away positive energy and, it is ‘service to others’. It is a good thing and, people's life gets better. It may even transform them.

Anyone want to try to transform friends and family around them?
Think and feel them in your mind, perfectly happy, in great spiritual shape, in perfect health and content of accomplishments of their potential for the better of humankind!
Think of them surrounded by love, peace, harmony, health and their heart shining. See them laughing.
Repeat a few times. Then sit back and watch them change!

We are in 4th density already, folks or at the threshold of it. This is happening!

Let’s keep the light on in the dark,
Love and Light to all,

Whitefeather
12th August 2009


RE: Being in service to others - paddy - 10-01-2009

Quote:Anyone want to try to transform friends and family around them?

I'll offer that some care be taken in this regard. I think for many with difficult family situations it may be difficult to hold feelings of goodwill in a disciplined way toward fellow family members. I also think that attempting to manipulate situations energetically may backfire in some cases.

An example of this may come from a story of Reiki. The story of Dr. Mikao Usui, a founder of modern practice, who apparently worked in the slums attempting to liberate people from their horrible conditions. At some point he became disillusioned with the effort, where his choice for the suffering people was not aligned to the choices of the suffering people who perpetuated their suffering. It may be a story of good intentions crashing up against the principle of freewill infringement. Out of this experience, Usui was able to develop the 5 principles of Reiki (which may help a person align, as they choose to do so, to the idea of improving their condition.)

As a person develops their understanding of Reiki healing, at some point they may learn to open themselves as a channel and move their conscious mind aside to better allow the intelligence of the energy flow in ways best. Such detachment from outcome have been shown to be effective at improving situations without a sense of manipulation or infringement. I think also, such a detached neutral perspective may be easier to sustain, than say holding insincere feelings of goodwill, for some ill situations that many people may be confronted with.


paddy


RE: Being in service to others - Whitefeather - 10-24-2009

(08-12-2009, 04:18 PM)Whitefeather Wrote: Thought-form is energy

The first thing is to realize that thoughts are energy and that the simple action of focusing our thoughts or feelings on anything or on anyone brings energy to the people or to the things we are focusing our energy upon.

It is simple when you think about it.
The whole reason for life is to be found in the production of energy, all kinds of energies. Each chakra produces its different distortion of energy.

People focusing on getting money get it eventually. It is because of their focus upon it.

When we think about somebody, we give them energy, like a gift. If we have good feelings for them, we send them heart energy (green ray).
Imagination is a powerful tool for manifestation.

If we create bad thoughts about people we know, like envy, jalousie, fear or dislike, or if we constantly focus upon their little defects, even if they are good people, they will get ill eventually and will encounter all sorts of problems in their life, from the mental images others around have created. If you see them everyday, they may even become what you think they are... Why? Because we are co-creators, all of us are. We all co-create one another.

When our thoughts are positively orientated towards people, we give away positive energy and, it is ‘service to others’. It is a good thing and, people's life gets better. It may even transform them.

Anyone want to try to transform friends and family around them?
Think and feel them in your mind, perfectly happy, in great spiritual shape, in perfect health and content of accomplishments of their potential for the better of humankind!
Think of them surrounded by love, peace, harmony, health and their heart shining. See them laughing.
Repeat a few times. Then sit back and watch them change!

We are in 4th density already, folks or at the threshold of it. This is happening!

Let’s keep the light on in the dark,
Love and Light to all,

Whitefeather
12th August 2009

(10-01-2009, 03:26 AM)paddy Wrote:
Quote:Anyone want to try to transform friends and family around them?

I'll offer that some care be taken in this regard. I think for many with difficult family situations it may be difficult to hold feelings of goodwill in a disciplined way toward fellow family members. I also think that attempting to manipulate situations energetically may backfire in some cases.

An example of this may come from a story of Reiki. .../... It may be a story of good intentions crashing up against the principle of freewill infringement.
As a person develops their understanding of Reiki healing, at some point they may learn to open themselves as a channel and move their conscious mind aside to better allow the intelligence of the energy flow in ways best. Such detachment from outcome have been shown to be effective at improving situations without a sense of manipulation or infringement. I think also, such a detached neutral perspective may be easier to sustain, than say holding insincere feelings of goodwill, for some ill situations that many people may be confronted with.

paddy

That's ok, Paddy, you won't receive my positive feelings if you do not want to. haha! BigSmile
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Hi to all,
From the post above, I cannot but reflect how amazing is the way some people use words that you have written, eliminate all relevant context, isolating only a few words and, turning things around, imply the exact opposite meaning which they then attribute to you! BigSmile

I think that my posting (of 12 August) was clearly saying that you can really help people when you love them and see them well and happy, since everyone exists in other people's heart (or mind).

I could elaborate further this answer but I won't at this point since I am aware that each person chooses their own perspective. It is only in relation to one's own perception and distortion that one is able to access understanding and, each one with a different timing, which is perfectly how it should be. Smile

I will say just this, that there is no ''manipulation'' in radiance!
When you radiate good and positive feelings towards others, those who are ready or willing to receive the good positive energy, just do.
Those who are not willing or ready to receive it, just do not.
There is no infringement of free will in unconditional love.
If you choose to hold people dear in your heart, it is rather a service to them. Smile

Also, having positive feelings implies that your heart chakra is open and active.
When it is not so, I suppose people may feel the insincerity mentioned in the post above.
And the term of 'neutral perspective' offers a clear justification for bypassing the heart chakra. STOs should be careful of such term.

Anyway, everyone chooses their path. There is no mistake, only free will and choice.

Take care,
W.


RE: Being in service to others - Marina - 10-30-2009

(12-25-2008, 04:08 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Hi everyone! Whenever I read of hear about being in service to others (STO), I often see a follow up rule of thumb that as long as an individual is over 51% STO, he or she would be eligible for harvesting:

However, I don't understand how this gets "judged" by oneself at the time of graduation. For instance, let's use Hitler as the example. If he were to live his life 99% in service to self, but has a genuine epiphany that causes himself to live the last 1% of his life in service to others, is he harvestable in 4th density positive because of where his heart evolved to when he died?

Or, would he tally his cumulative experiences at the time of death to realize that he was well under 51% in service to others and therefore must repeat 3rd density? Even though his epiphany has caused him to be wholeheartedly in service to others at the time of death, does he have to repeat third density again because of his lifelong experience of being in service to self?

Thanks!
Steve
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Hi Steve,
I think this has to do with the degree of light that you can tolerate at the time of death. The chakras have to be balanced (I think this means that you have use of the lower ones when necessary-such as the ability to survive, work, defend yourself, assert yourself-as well as the heart chakra-compassion, love).
I think the conversion can happen in an instant from STS to STO. The story 'Scrooge' is an example of this.
I think the work has to do with becoming a whole person-- and then directing oneself to the service style that resonates with you. People like Joan of Arc, Saint Francis, and Jesus have this quality.


RE: Being in service to others - Questioner - 10-30-2009

As I read the Ra books, my understanding is that harvest is not a measurement or judgment applied to us from outside. Instead, it is our own response to the catalyst of a world changing from one vibration pattern to another.

I hope that I won't be out of line with a post that is rather long because I pulled in several key passages from Ra.

(italics added by me)

Book 1, Session 6
Quote:Q.I think that it would be appropriate to discover how the Law of One acts in this transfer of beings to our planet and the action of harvest?

Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One states simply that all things are one, that all beings are one. There are certain behaviors and thought-forms consonant with the understanding and practice of this law. Those who, finishing a cycle of experience, demonstrate grades of distortion of that understanding of thought and action will be separated by their own choice into the vibratory distortion most comfortable to their mind/body/spirit complexes.

This process is guarded or watched by those nurturing beings who, being very close to the Law of One in their distortions, nevertheless, move towards active service.

Thus, the illusion is created of light, or more properly but less understandably, light/love. This is in varying degrees of intensity. The spirit complex of each harvested entity moves along the line of light until the light grows too glaring, at which time the entity stops

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Book II, Session 47
(question about the percentage criteria for positive 4D harvest)
Quote:Ra: .... Each is capable of doing fourth-density work. This is the criterion for harvest.

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I take this to mean that when the world has more light, entities move forward to that light on their own initiative. They continue moving forward, until going further forward would be uncomfortable with their current level of development.

I picture that it is like choosing our own seat in a classroom. Some people are eager to sit in the front row, participate fully and take notes. Some people want to rest in the back and maybe nap through some lectures, or chat with their friends more than pay attention to the lessons. If the lecture is already in progress when we enter, each person will sit where comfortable. Someone not interested in the subject at all at this time would not go through the open door into the classroom.

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Book II, Session 48
(question about human lifetime leading to harvest)
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. Your query is most distorted for it assumes that creations are alike. Each mind/body/spirit complex has its own patterns of activation and its own rhythms of awakening. The important thing for harvest is the harmonious balance between the various energy centers of the mind/body/spirit complex. This is to be noted as of relative import. ....

The patterns of activation of an entity of high seniority will undoubtedly move with some rapidity to the green-ray level which is the springboard to primary blue. There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty. Blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with otherself.

Having accepted that an harvestable or nearly harvestable entity will be working from this green-ray springboard one may then posit that the experiences in the remainder of the incarnation will be focused upon activation of the primary blue-ray of freely given communication, of indigo ray, that of freely shared intelligent energy, and if possible, moving through this gateway, the penetration of violet-ray intelligent infinity. This may be seen to be manifested by a sense of the consecrate or hallowed nature of everyday creations and activities.

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We see from the above excerpt that "talk and listen from the heart" and "make every moment a sacred one" are themes that lead to positive harvestability. However, all of this needs to be in the context of a balanced self.

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Book III, Session 51
(question about the harvesters)
(Ra indicates three types of harvesters)
Quote:Ra: .... The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their higher self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them
aright so that they may continue into the light. ....
Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.

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Book IV, Session 82
(question about the 50% service to others threshold)
Quote:Ra: .... The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the one infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

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And as described in the previous excerpt, this "certain intensity" is an openness to the "violet ray." Apparently, in 4D entities are provided with an increased amount of violet ray catalyst. Entities that are not comfortable receiving this catalyst would not put themselves into the situation of choosing to receive what they are uncomfortable or unable to presently receive. Just as with the classroom, if what we heard through the open door was "over our head" or not interesting to us, we would have no reason to walk in and choose a seat.


RE: Being in service to others - thefool - 12-14-2009

(12-25-2008, 04:08 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Hi everyone! Whenever I read of hear about being in service to others (STO), I often see a follow up rule of thumb that as long as an individual is over 51% STO, he or she would be eligible for harvesting:

Quote:17.31 Questioner: I don’t wish to take up extra time asking questions over again. Some areas I consider important enough in relation to the Law of One to ask questions in a different way in order to get another perspective in the answer.

In the book Oahspe it states that if an entity goes over fifty one percent service to others and is less than fifty percent service to self, then that entity is harvestable. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth dimensional level.

However, I don't understand how this gets "judged" by oneself at the time of graduation. For instance, let's use Hitler as the example. If he were to live his life 99% in service to self, but has a genuine epiphany that causes himself to live the last 1% of his life in service to others, is he harvestable in 4th density positive because of where his heart evolved to when he died?

Or, would he tally his cumulative experiences at the time of death to realize that he was well under 51% in service to others and therefore must repeat 3rd density? Even though his epiphany has caused him to be wholeheartedly in service to others at the time of death, does he have to repeat third density again because of his lifelong experience of being in service to self?

Thanks!
Steve

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It is not the cumulation of entire life time. It is last steady state that you had at the time of the harvest. It is determined by your Violet ray emantion that is the sum total of your chakra emanation at the time of the inspection. This is my understanding based upon the Ra material. It is probably more complicated than that as the elders from another octave have to come and shine light so each entity to be evaluated had their best possible emanation. so that introduces some more variables.

To answer your sepcific questions- if Hitler had a real heart change at the last second. Real is the key here. He is to be graduated as his emanation shows. it seems very objective that way.


RE: Being in service to others - kristy1111 - 01-03-2010

(01-03-2009, 08:31 PM)Chela Wrote: I believe that if anyone reaches an epiphany, such that, it transforms one's polarity to positive, service to others, 51% of the time in one's last 1% of life, then that individual meets the minimum criteria Ra spoke of to graduate at Harvest to positive 4th Density... Afterall, time doesn't really exist, and nothing is more powerful than the Present moment... Did not Jesus, the Christ, forgive the Thief on the cross beside him and assure him he had a place in Heaven...

EXCELLENT point!!! Heart


RE: Being in service to others - AnthroHeart - 01-28-2010

I understand being crystalized as being able to carry higher "voltages" so to speak. I'm not sure if I'm crystalized, or how much, but I can feel the kundalini energy flowing through me rather strongly at times. In this, I am able to feel any blockages much more readily, as it pushes at the threshold of my ability to move the energy through my chakras.

I think the crystalization process sort of begins when inside you feel fluid and almost like a flickering flame, rather than anxiety, discomfort and fear. At least this is my body's feedback to me.


RE: Being in service to others - Aaron - 02-01-2010

Whitefeather Wrote:Think and feel them in your mind, perfectly happy, in great spiritual shape...

This brought a smile to my face, as I already have been doing this naturally for quite some time! As I go about my day, images of those who I'm blessed to meet will swim into my head, but they aren't images of them as they are now... They're images of them in a fully realized state, effortlessly and selflessly spreading light and joy quite simply because they know they can. These images pop up like beautiful paintings, the person smiling and radiant. And I think to myself - today, I'm doing what I can to help this person realize themselves.

Although I don't mean to speak for him, I think Paddy's point is: Don't get karmically involved. He uses the word "discipline" when related to radiating goodwill. To me, this is like shooting out the good intent straight as an arrow, without it being caught up in your own web of suffering (which it will if you have not acknowledged the web) and going all crooked. When he says "neutral", I think you could also read it as "balanced". Like Ra said, "To the truly balanced entity, no situation would be emotionally charged." Therefore, you have detachment, but it's not because of hatred or fear. If you aren't pure, the love from you won't be pure! As they come to you, visualize the gifts of love and intent for others to be what you know they can be, but have no self investment in the outcome. Balance! BigSmile


RE: Being in service to others - Whitefeather - 02-21-2010

(02-01-2010, 03:15 PM)Aaron Wrote:
Whitefeather Wrote:Think and feel them in your mind, perfectly happy, in great spiritual shape...

This brought a smile to my face, as I already have been doing this naturally for quite some time! As I go about my day, images of those who I'm blessed to meet will swim into my head, but they aren't images of them as they are now... They're images of them in a fully realized state, effortlessly and selflessly spreading light and joy quite simply because they know they can. These images pop up like beautiful paintings, the person smiling and radiant. And I think to myself - today, I'm doing what I can to help this person realize themselves.

That's so good! I too smile in reading your above post Smile;
I do that too and, in a natural manner, without intent. I think that I simply SEE, in my heart, the light of other-selves. I wonder sometimes wether my seeing them happy and fullfilled could help them connect with their own happiness. I think that it is just like tapping into a beautiful harmonious realization which you/one feel drawn to because of your/one's natural positive alignment! Ra made me more aware of this which I was doing in my heart's mind without ever thinking about it. Besides, I feel detached in a certain way because I know without a doubt that everything IS love. I call this "inconditional love" because of the flawlessness of my feelings! However, everyone will express their love differently and, it is good too and fine. The beauty is in the diversity of the manifestations of love and incidentally, service. I feel balanced in my feelings; it may be love but I feel it is so strong with an unalterable quality, like if love were made of steel - maybe, it is gold! Angel-

Quote:Although I don't mean to speak for him, I think Paddy's point is: Don't get karmically involved. He uses the word "discipline" when related to radiating goodwill. To me, this is like shooting out the good intent straight as an arrow, without it being caught up in your own web of suffering (which it will if you have not acknowledged the web) and going all crooked. When he says "neutral", I think you could also read it as "balanced". Like Ra said, "To the truly balanced entity, no situation would be emotionally charged." Therefore, you have detachment, but it's not because of hatred or fear. If you aren't pure, the love from you won't be pure! As they come to you, visualize the gifts of love and intent for others to be what you know they can be, but have no self investment in the outcome. Balance! BigSmile

You are very kind to Paddy. Smile I have only good feelings about Paddy though I was greatly surprised by the way he choose to understand my wording.
Some words Paddy wrote were clearly showing an imbalance in the heart chakra. I am not judjing here; I could see some difficulty Paddy had to understand the meaning behind the surface of the words used in my description. Since everyone has their different timing, i would never judge another person, even temporarily. Words are by themselves, a limitation which we have to overcome. 'Understanding' is mainly an activity of the heart chakra, with a balanced activity occuring in the mind, akin to a musical counterpoint. To rely upon intellectual activity only for understanding, would render all words meaningless! I mean that the meanings we make out take place in the heart and with the heart energy.

You understand in your heart what I meant beyond the words; your heart chakra, clearly is well open and active. It is good to 'see'! Smile
Thanks for posting!

Love and Light

Whitefeather