(03-13-2012, 03:21 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: What a bad hangover to, choose service to self in that "instant" of third-density and wake up on the flip side of fourth density saying, "OH F*CK, what was I thinking? That's the last time I'm getting drunk on power and greed."

(03-13-2012, 10:27 PM)godwide_void Wrote: I cannot help but remember what that Zaxon fellow stated in his 'Greetings From The Dark' thread; "I present myself with the arrogance of one who comprehends himself as Creator".

(03-13-2012, 01:02 PM)Ankh Wrote:

Daddy Ra Wrote:The negative path, as would call it, uses a combination of the yellow ray and the orange ray in its polarization patterns. These rays, used in a dedicated fashion, will bring about a contact with intelligent infinity. (32:2)

(03-14-2012, 10:49 PM)Icaro Wrote: Good find. I think there is another where they emphasize how difficult it is to contact infinity through the yellow ray.

Daddy Ra Wrote:In assessing the harvestable fourth-density negative, the intensity of the red as well as the orange and the yellow rays is looked upon quite carefully as a great deal of stamina and energy of this type is necessary for the negative progression, it being extremely difficult to open the gateway to intelligent infinity from the solar plexus center. This is necessary for harvest in fourth-density negative.

(03-14-2012, 05:50 AM)godwide_void Wrote: I believe I get the gist of what you're saying, zenmaster. The entity in the process of polarization is initially not aware of the machinations of such a process, and the very process itself is not a linear one occurring in a limited number of circumstances; there are an infinite variety of ways in which it may manifest and be set in motion.

Oceania, these drugs are only considered a "shortcut to enlightenment" to those who are already not upon a spiritual path in the first place. It cannot be denied that certain states are much easier and exclusively experienced through high doses and meditation, but there also exists the problem of coming across knowledge much quicker than one is ready to receive. Merely being exposed to divine states and so-called "enlightening knowledge" is not enough, for it is INTEGRATION of what one has learned in these states into your life which is key. For a time the function they held for me was to seek an answer. I have found my answer. The function now has changed. They are no longer "keys to the gate" as I have long opened the gate, and instead now serve as tools alongside my personal spiritual and shamanic practices, the reasons varying. It is when one incorporates them into their spiritual journey as opposed to simply only going on a spiritual journey everytime they "trip" that lies the difference. Also, one should be more grateful of the various gifts the Creator has left Itself so as to better have the opportunity to jettison awakening of Itself through these gifts.

I'm not demonizing or belittling you for preferring one over the other though, just keep that in mind. If speed has served some positive purpose in your life and is not negatively affecting any aspect of your life, then nobody has any place to tell you otherwise. One point I was trying to get across though, is that it is completely and utterly impossible for speed to allow one to experience what DMT will.

(03-15-2012, 03:02 PM)Ankh Wrote: .. it being extremely difficult to open the gateway to intelligent infinity from the solar plexus center. This is necessary for harvest in fourth-density negative.

(03-13-2012, 01:44 PM)plenum Wrote: spiritual pride

(03-15-2012, 08:31 PM)Oceania Wrote:

(03-14-2012, 05:50 AM)godwide_void Wrote: I believe I get the gist of what you're saying, zenmaster. The entity in the process of polarization is initially not aware of the machinations of such a process, and the very process itself is not a linear one occurring in a limited number of circumstances; there are an infinite variety of ways in which it may manifest and be set in motion.

Oceania, these drugs are only considered a "shortcut to enlightenment" to those who are already not upon a spiritual path in the first place. It cannot be denied that certain states are much easier and exclusively experienced through high doses and meditation, but there also exists the problem of coming across knowledge much quicker than one is ready to receive. Merely being exposed to divine states and so-called "enlightening knowledge" is not enough, for it is INTEGRATION of what one has learned in these states into your life which is key. For a time the function they held for me was to seek an answer. I have found my answer. The function now has changed. They are no longer "keys to the gate" as I have long opened the gate, and instead now serve as tools alongside my personal spiritual and shamanic practices, the reasons varying. It is when one incorporates them into their spiritual journey as opposed to simply only going on a spiritual journey everytime they "trip" that lies the difference. Also, one should be more grateful of the various gifts the Creator has left Itself so as to better have the opportunity to jettison awakening of Itself through these gifts.

I'm not demonizing or belittling you for preferring one over the other though, just keep that in mind. If speed has served some positive purpose in your life and is not negatively affecting any aspect of your life, then nobody has any place to tell you otherwise. One point I was trying to get across though, is that it is completely and utterly impossible for speed to allow one to experience what DMT will.

i never said i prefer one over the other. i don't do drugs and the speed i did was prescribed by a doctor. but it expanded my mind in a permanent way. also, i would never do DMT or anything like that, and i don't care for short cuts. people often aren't ready for what they see in shortcuts, or they can't keep the realizations. i could, via speed, because it was not a trip, it was something that changed me.

if you think that's less worthy than some mushrooms then go ahead but don't tell me what to think. it's these blanket statements that say one thing is always superior to another that irk me. you don't get to say what another person experiences or what it's worth.

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also i never said i wasn't grateful or that they served no purpose. but to place them in some superior position is just silly. they can be used to awaken, but why need them after that?

(03-16-2012, 10:52 AM)Oceania Wrote: the magic you make, no matter what your ingredients, are always up to YOU to make the best out of. you CANNOT make a hierarchy out of it. it's unique to individuals. i can't stress this enough.

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and comparing my experiences to that of a crackhead is ruffling my feathers just SLIGHTLY.

(03-16-2012, 11:00 AM)Pickle Wrote:

(03-16-2012, 10:52 AM)Oceania Wrote: the magic you make, no matter what your ingredients, are always up to YOU to make the best out of. you CANNOT make a hierarchy out of it. it's unique to individuals. i can't stress this enough.

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and comparing my experiences to that of a crackhead is ruffling my feathers just SLIGHTLY.

This made me laugh LoL.

I do agree with the use of entheogens, by grounded stable people.

But I see too many people that don't have any clue about anything beyond normal eyesight that want to scratch or cut off the bugs they see all over their skin.

They don't realize the amount of (astral) critters that feed on them on a daily basis LMAO! And if they suddenly see their skin crawling with them it can make them do something really stupid.

Quote:the magic you make, no matter what your ingredients, are always up to YOU to make the best out of. you CANNOT make a hierarchy out of it. it's unique to individuals. i can't stress this enough.

(03-13-2012, 12:18 AM)godwide_void Wrote: The predominate problematic factor with this whole STO vs. STS business is the common tendency amongst several members here to seemingly over-conceptualize and compartmentalize these concepts. It is not rocket science; these terms were chosen by Ra and both 'paths' were deemed equally valid due to their having transcended polarity in the highly evolved state of being they hold at their current nexus. It is necessary to filter these terms so as to better apply them to our world, and when this is done the following definitions apply:

STO = displaying and acting from a place of kindness, compassion, seeking to assist others for any reason in any way

STS = self-gratification at the expense of others, perceiving no value in others other than how they may be of use to you, manipulation, greed, extreme arrogance, actions stemming from such unskillful states of mind