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RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Steppingfeet - 08-01-2009
Sorry 3D and group but I need to make a quick post in reply to the temporary off-topic deviation.
3D, what you recommended below is the archive for the Light/Lines Newsletter, a quarterly periodical featuring the best of L/L's channeling.
The newsletter is indeed a great starting place for the individual new to the non-Ra Confederation material (i.e., Q'uo, Hatton, Latwii, etc.), but represents only a small sampling of a channeling library that spans over 35 years.
All the channeling ever done by L/L Research channels is available in The L/L Research Transcripts portion of LLResearch.org, located either by clicking on the previous link or clicking on Library at the top of this page, then Library again on the archive website that opens up, then The L/L Research Transcripts. There you will find everything, Law of One series included, from 1974 to the present.
Topic deviation ended.
: ) GLB
3D Sunset Wrote:Under the circumstances, I'll allow this off topic request. Follow the tab at the top of this page that is titled "Library". This will take you to the L/L Research homepage. There is much to explore on the site, but to find the Q'uo (and other Confederation source) material follow the "Library" link then scroll down the Table of Contents to the "Newsletters" Heading and select the link entitled "Light/Lines - The L/L Research Newsletters". The resulting page contains a series of year links starting from 1982 listed chronologically, each of which contains all the channeling sessions conducted during that year. Or just blow off all these directions and click here.
There is a wealth of material here, so bookmark it and plan to return often.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - 3D Sunset - 08-01-2009
(08-01-2009, 01:07 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Sorry 3D and group but I need to make a quick post in reply to the temporary off-topic deviation.
3D, what you recommended below is the archive for the Light/Lines Newsletter, a quarterly periodical featuring the best of L/L's channeling.
The newsletter is indeed a great starting place for the individual new to the non-Ra Confederation material (i.e., Q'uo, Hatton, Latwii, etc.), but represents only a small sampling of a channeling library that spans over 35 years.
All the channeling ever done by L/L Research channels is available in The L/L Research Transcripts portion of LLResearch.org, located either by clicking on the previous link or clicking on Library at the top of this page, then Library again on the archive website that opens up, then The L/L Research Transcripts. There you will find everything, Law of One series included, from 1974 to the present.
Topic deviation ended.
: ) GLB
I stand corrected! Thanks for the proper directions Gary!
3D Sunset
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Bring4th_Steve - 08-02-2009
Hey, everyone... Hope you all are having a great weekend!
I have a small contribution to add to 3D's original question of, "Why are we here at Bring4th"...
Today I cracked open one of the Ra books, and mentally asked myself to open to a section of the book that would be useful to think about. I tend to do this once a day, as I have read people do this with the I Ching and other books of deep spiritual nature. It seems more often than not that what is read just "happens" to synchronize with something that is generally on one's mind or occurring in one's life.
Well, today I did the same thing and quickly came upon this Ra quote, which I felt was a very potent answer for 3D, and those interested in his question.
Page 68 of Book 1:
Quote:Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning; in which case you have done you/them little good.
Such a simple line, but it rings so true here. At times we may feel boredom and redundancy or perhaps even that areas of the site have plateaued at a certain intellectual level. But despite "knowing" what we've learned, we need to keep "teaching" it and communicating outward, because that action creates a tangible validation in our personal reality. At the same time, we are helping someone else learn a particular point in a context that is colored and unique to the personality of the one who has answered, thus creating service.
While it may seem that we are "hemorrhaging" users, it's really not the case. I think we're simply reacting to a few active contributors who perhaps at this time chose not to continue teaching what they have learned. When they learn that they are not fulfilled by their lack of teaching, perhaps they will come back to do just that.
Interesting to consider! :-)
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - airwaves - 08-02-2009
I miss Quantum and his "wall of text" answers and such that crit me and ayadew for one million damage in real life. Long as they were I always found something very usefull that resonated with me when he posted.
Come back Quantum!!!!
Everything in its time.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - 3D Sunset - 08-02-2009
(08-02-2009, 12:16 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Page 68 of Book 1:
Quote:Thus, to learn is the same as to teach unless you are not teaching what you are learning; in which case you have done you/them little good.
Such a simple line, but it rings so true here. At times we may feel boredom and redundancy or perhaps even that areas of the site have plateaued at a certain intellectual level. But despite "knowing" what we've learned, we need to keep "teaching" it and communicating outward, because that action creates a tangible validation in our personal reality. At the same time, we are helping someone else learn a particular point in a context that is colored and unique to the personality of the one who has answered, thus creating service.
Thanks Steve, a poignant and pertinent quote indeed.
(08-02-2009, 12:16 PM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: While it may seem that we are "hemorrhaging" users, it's really not the case. I think we're simply reacting to a few active contributors who perhaps at this time chose not to continue teaching what they have learned. When they learn that they are not fulfilled by their lack of teaching, perhaps they will come back to do just that.
I agree that we are not losing that many users. Indeed we are certainly adding more users than we losing by attrition. As much as anything I started the thread as a way to stir that pot a bit as well as to see if my motivations resonated with many others.
Thanks again to everyone for your thoughts. Namaste, namaste to all who enter this site.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
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airwaves Wrote:I miss Quantum and his "wall of text" answers and such that crit me and ayadew for one million damage in real life. Long as they were I always found something very usefull that resonated with me when he posted.
Come back Quantum!
I miss my good friend Quantum as well. I did speak to him just prior to his departure. I think he is merely on a prolonged vacation from visiting and posting. All good things will come in time.
3D Sunset
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Bring4th_Steve - 08-02-2009
Quote:I miss my good friend Quantum as well. I did speak to him just prior to his departure. I think he is merely on a prolonged vacation from visiting and posting. All good things will come in time.
3D Sunset
Actually, I just took my own little vacation from here as well! :-) I find that the mini-breaks are a great excursion to think about how to "live what was learned". Practical experiences seem to come from thoughtfully digested ideas, and it also seems to help the teaching process because I can more often back up contributions with real world examples.
There are so many cycles of ebb and flow in life, and we've indeed seen a similar pattern with other users who have left and come back.
This was a great thread, thanks to everyone for sharing.
Steve
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - MisterRabbit - 08-02-2009
Well, I guess I would probably be one of those who has not posted as much lately. Mostly, this is because I got super busy at the end of school and then sort of just got out of the habit. On top of that, I felt a need to focus more on my personal experiences and development on a much more experiential and less speculative and intellectual level, which is primarily what I did here. On top of that (yeah, it's three-layered), I simply don't like spending very much time in front of a computer screen.
The reason I was first attracted to this is the same as others have stated: I was simply excited about being part of a community of people with similar interests; no, more than interests, similar...hearts? I don't know. Anyway, I still am happy to be so. In all this new-agey stuff, I find that it is mostly coal with specs of gold here and there, mostly people who may well be delusional or just full of it, with specs here and there of people who truly have found something beyond, and openly wish to discuss it and teach/learn it with others. I see the L/L Research materials and associated community as one of the lumps of gold that I can actually take a bit more seriously.
I have recently come back to the forums, and have found that a few of the topics and new users have become a bit...weird. I don't want to name names or anything, but you know much of the discussion seems to have gotten into things that I don't particularly take as seriously.
Also, much of the time they are simply too long. Maybe I'm alone on this one, but as I said I don't like spending very much time in front of a screen. It isn't that I'm not interested, but simply that, like with this thread, for instance, I pretty much started skimming somewhere in the third page. Alot of this has to do with some of the comments being the same as those before them, or otherwise predictable. No dis on you guys for that, it's just that I feel I have to stay out from in front of that screen for my own good.
However, when the topic really does interest me I do enjoy these forums. Perhaps I ought to go check out the sessions in focus section, since I agree with Monica that I have found the session to be invaluable. In fact, if I'm going to spend my time in front of a screen, I'd probably rather spend them reading transcripts more often than not.
As to the question between Monica and 3D about giving and getting, wouldn't it be something more like give/getting? and get/giving? I would think that a balance between the two would be ideal.
For the most part, I have found some of the new threads to be sometimes amusing, often inconsequential, but ultimately harmless. There is a lot more to sift through now, though, and sifting takes time, and time, however illusory it may be, is limited for most of us.
I don't really know if I've ever felt a purpose in participating here, other than just sort of sharing. I just kind of have seen it as a community, albeit a long-distance one. It's just good to know there are others out there, I guess.
Really, what I WANT to do is somehow get more involved in ACTUALLY doing something spiritually related, as in going someplace, participating in some sort of I don't know seminar or class or anything. I guess when you talked about your feeling of urgency, it reminded me of this. My urgency is to do something a bit more real than discuss on a forum, which has in some ways actually steered me away from the forums.
Perhaps this might be a good topic to ask for Q'uo to speak on? The principles involved, general spiritual guidance, etc? Just a thought.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Lavazza - 08-11-2009
(07-29-2009, 12:12 AM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: If this post suddenly appeared in Tokyo, it would cause a panic because some might think Godzilla had returned
I am highly tempted to add this to my signature as someone else did with Ali Quadir's "Night Elf" quote.
I was reading Book 1, session 17 last night and ran across a response from Ra that reminded me of your long post, Gary. Before I present the quote, allow me also to say that if you could have seen me as I was reading your post you would have seen someone nodding his head enthusiastically at a computer monitor while muttering "Uh huh... yup... exactly!". Keep shining that light.
(see areas that I thought were important in italics, below)
Quote:Questioner: Is it possible by the use of some technique or other to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days?
Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.
We, ourselves, do not feel an urgency for this information to be widely disseminated. It is enough that we have made it available to three, four, or five. This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service.
We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others. That you attempt to make this information available is, in your terms, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.
We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - ymunio - 08-14-2009
This is an answer to the original post. I am very grateful to have found Bring4th and my personal timeline has already shifted thanks to members here. So I desire to see this site flourish to its fullest potential. Therefore as a former graphic designer/web designer I offer the following constructive criticism:
The site in general is too complicated. Too many features make for a steep learning curve for newcomers. The forums are too rigorously organized. Many forums online follow the same somewhat-dated template which is too rigid to be conducive to free-flowing and ever-evolving conversation. As a wonderer I often quake with deep aching loneliness and go online just in search of others. Then I come here in that state I feel like I'm strolling alone in a large abandoned library.
My reasons for coming back at all are subjective. The title graphic reminds me of a lower density planet where I used to incarnate. It had a similar orange sky because of frequent sandstorms. It was one of my first lifetimes as a father with children. Coming to Bring4th puts me in touch with that life and as a result helps remove me from my present 3rd density earth timeline and gives me a little more perspective on who i am as a soul.
(07-27-2009, 08:53 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: I've been pondering this question lately, and have been discussing it with some of my fellow forum members. Increasingly, there is a sense of ennui among many, who feel that a lot of the threads just rehash the same topics or address a topic until it has been beaten quite flat and then come back and roll over it a few more times. I know from my discussions that this sense of boredom has cost us some of my favorite members (some of whom have stopped posting, some have stopped visiting entirely, and some have even left and taken their posts and threads with them.)
I understand that, to some extent, this is the nature of forums and indeed even human nature. But it causes me to wonder if this need be the case here. It seemed to me, when I came here, that I came for a larger purpose than I am realizing. So I ask:
Do you feel that you are serving a purpose here at Bring4th (which I presume is true for each of us), and if so, what is it, and how well do you feel you are accomplishing your purpose? Is there something that could make this a more rewarding experience for you, or are you perfectly happy with the status quo (no pun intended)?
I anxiously await all comments.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - indigomama - 08-16-2009
I am here because TLOO changed my life and I am thrilled to connect to others who have been changed as well. Surfing the posts gives me food for thought, confirmation of my suspicions/intuitions, laughs, tears, joy, inspiration.......... It helps to feed a part of me that has been very hungry for my whole life. Thank You!!
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Solo Maters - 08-16-2009
(08-02-2009, 12:47 PM)airwaves Wrote: I miss Quantum and his "wall of text" answers and such that crit me and ayadew for one million damage in real life. Long as they were I always found something very usefull that resonated with me when he posted.
Come back Quantum!!!!
Everything in its time.
Hello to you 3D Sunset, Lavazza, airwaves
Its an interesting question you've posed in your thread. Although I confess I've only participated several times, and that I'm without question more the lurker than the involved member, I believe if I allow myself that I might have much to say to such an interesting and dangerous query. Honesty and directness are rarely as accepted once offered as they were when requested. Lets see if its the case here. I offer the following with a constructive heart:
I'd offer first that there's been a lessening of the meat of the Law of One as a subject matter compared to so much more recently that centers around, although surely innocent and well intended, the fat, if not the total and unrelated inane. Like others have already suggested on this thread, some of the conversations border on the weird, or the silly, if not the useless. Many participants offer only two or three lines as participation. Simple two or three line responses are nearly impossible to foster or create a conversation, much less offer a response to. Is it any wonder then that the more serious students of the Law of One such as the Quantums, as you Lavazza and ayadew and several others have inferred, would begin disappearing? I also miss his posts, almost exclusively because he did in fact have several paragraphs to contribute. Are several paragraphs considered to be "a wall of text", or "overly complicated" on the one hand, yet missed on the other? Is there anything about the Law of One that is not complicated or that is short?
This forum could be used for so much more than just another social network site where people simply meet to gab and chew the fat verses meeting for a defined and specific higher purpose. Don't get me wrong, there are a few members who are well studied and very serious. But so many subjects or posts are just uninteresting and banal, or if they are interesting then they often go off topic. Should I continue being honest? I'd additionally offer that any successful volunteer group or church or corporation must have a stated mission. Without a specific purpose, any organization will untangle quicker than one with a specific mission. Its understood of course that the fat and the chewing of it are engaged in with an intended higher consciousness of like-minded people, but so much of it boils down to so many transient conversations that its sometimes hard to distinguish this site as in fact one that is a higher-consciousness site specifically. Ironic isn't it?
One participant has opined more than a few times that being civil is so important as if to seem that civility might be the mission. I'd offer that civility is critical, but not that it is the mission, and especially if its at the cost of so much over-agreement that its difficult to distinguish grey from gray to benign that it runs the risk of leaving very little to debate, in turn leaving little to learn. A perfect example of this is when the STS path is challenged as if though it is anathema to do so as a self professed STO site. Theres something seriously wrong with this picture if free speech is stifled as though its uncivil or un-STO to question even STS. Any true and serious student of any subject is required to breakdown and tear anything apart so that it might be reconstructed for a better understanding of how it works. Specific examples to learn from are when 3D started a thread on Hidden Hand which was quickly banned. Another is when Quantum challenged STS for which it seemed he was asked not to. If we had all the eggs we wouldn't need to search for any more. But we don't. We need the eggs. We need the search, given we're all feeling our way through the dark. Intellectual searching absolutely requires disagreement and debate. Ironic again isn't it? Of course being civil is critical, but not to the extent that agreement is so required that the point of learning through debate is lost.We as a species need the disagreement. We need the debate. Otherwise its all grey and gray in agreement and civility.This is the exact reason I quit David Wheelcock's forum, as I shared on my previous post. He demands total agreement to his interpretations that there leaves little self learning or self growth verses his learning on his path as his requirement to participate. He talks at you. Not with you. In this respect his forum around the Law of One is totally contradictory to the Law of One in principle. Ironic again isn't it? This is exactly why B-4 is fresh and new and unique. Lets use it to its best ability, especially now in these times. Lets be open to self examination and question and growth as a result. Lets for example fully allow the discussion of Hidden Hand and STS as it relates to the Law of One, but also absolutely allow it to be challenged with full force as well.
Its further wonderful that B-4 seems to double up as a cyber-home for many that may not have one in real life. Many have shared as much more than a few times. But maybe a home just isn't enough for those that are searching deeper for more. Many of us here are not so discontent with our lives or associations that we're searching simply for a place to be, as in a home is. Many of us already have homes that are filled with very much love. As a result many are not so much searching for a home as much as they are here searching more specifically for a greater understanding of the Law of One to fill their already loving homes. The common ground between both the lonely and the fulfilled might be better FILLED in the purpose of the Law of One. Like any home filled with love and acceptance, the one next door filled with the same, but with a specific purpose, is the richer one for it. Doesn't this make sense?
As an example, I've seen very very few posts from you 3D or from Quantum that were not specific or even general to the Law of One. They always center around the teaching,learning, and inquiring of the Law of One. Its for these nuggets that I lurk and continue to come back. Simply finding a home where like minded people who find themselves lonely is one thing. But finding a home where like minded people with a purpose and mission that is lacking is another. In a home like this the lonely may be filled as much as the ones fulfilled may be more filled, both with the purpose and learning that is the reason they both feel something missing. It is not the lonely being lonely meeting the lonely that fills, as much as it is a purpose and mission that fills. When you, and the Quantums, and the Ali Quidars debate one another, more than when you agree, is when it inspires most. Ironic again isn't it? You all however do so in the civil intellectual tongue in cheek, barbs, and humor with which you bantered in while disagreeing. Conversations like these remind me of my University days when my classmates and me would often remain awake until the very late morning hours discussing, debating, laughing and delving deeper into conversations that were so heady they had the power of transporting us to other dimensions.
I have a specific question to this wonderful site. Why is it that the Law of One is assumed not to be specific to B-4? Its been stated it isn't repeatedly by some, in many threads, many times over. The Guidelines state clearly in their opening paragraph:
"The purpose of our forum is to provide you and many seekers like you a safe meeting place conducive to conversation regarding the fascinating and inexhaustible field of spiritual evolution. And not just spiritual evolution..."in general" ...( I intentionally edit and insert 'in general' here), but spiritual evolution as understood through the eyes of the Law of One material, the Confederation philosophy, and the work of L/L Research..."specifically"... (I intentionally edit and insert "specifically" here).
On your comment Lavazza, 3D Sunset, and ayadew, that those like Quantum are missed, I couldn't agree more. I wonder if this is not one of the reasons. However on what you perceive to be his overly complex or lengthy posts, I would say that this is in fact what made him so very interesting and why you find yourself missing him. He wrote more than two lines, and almost always to the Law of One specifically. To the whole point in my thread, it was particularly, as an example, when 3D and he engaged as much as they did on the Ra Material specifically and utilizing the Ra quotes generally to support their statements that I most enjoyed their friendly intellectual debate, word play, and compliments to one another. Both of them offered more than just a few lines to the Law of One. If several paragraphs are considered lengthy or complex, then I guess so is conversation, learning, and teaching.
Why isn't the Ra Material discussed as a primary point? Why is it felt that although this site is clearly primarily dedicated to the Law of One, that the Law of One is not at least a self imposed prerequisite of reading by its participants, much less more clearly stated as a "more strongly suggested guide" in the guidelines? Is the primary purpose in the guidelines stated too weak? Does this site lack purpose or a mission without the Law of One specifically as a result? It seems obvious the answer is yes. It is highly peculiar from my perspective that its been suggested so often in posts that reading the Law of One is not a requirement. What else are we here for? Are we here as a social site to generally talk about music, or movies, or stereo speakers, gardening, drugs, or on the virtues of being vegetarian, mixed in lightly here and there with the Law of One? What is our purpose? What is our mission? Is it to simply fill in our time, or our void? If so, lets fill it with a purpose "in" the Law of One more specifically. It seems like a very obvious and self evident suggestion. Clearly I am not a David Wheelcock fan for many reasons as I wrote on one of my few posts. But at least he made it a tacit agreement that the Ra Material be read and accepted by his participants. His site has a specific purpose, notwithstanding that its always his purpose to his ego as if the tacit agreement extends to also tacitly accepting his interpretations as well. His site and B-4 are the only two I know that discuss the Law of One. His site, although totally contrary to the Law of One by his demand that you agree with everything he writes, nonetheless requires you at least to have read the Law of One. B-4 has participant moderators vs an owner dictator such as Wheelcock. Its refreshing. But if this site too isn't one that primarily distinguishes itself in the Ra Material as does Wheelcocks, then please pray tell, what exactly is it's true intention, purpose and mission? If the answer comes back that it is for any other reason, then I'd suggest that therein lies your answer.
Is the honesty and directness requested now as accepted when offered? It is offered with the caring conviction to a wonderful site that could even be so much more, all in the name of the Law of One...
Humbly,
Solo
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Quantum - 08-16-2009
Dear Solo, 3D, Lavazza, and airwaves, et al,
Thank you so much for your kind words. They are touching. Thank you also Solo for giving me the heads up privately as to your all too few postings, as well as your proddings. I acquiesce. For you I will come out of my self imposed silence for the moment. No doubt, due to our similar backgrounds as shared by e-mail, in life as regards love, family, women, business, and education, it is clear why I resonate with you as much as I do. You are a rare bird dear cyber friend. Allow me to turn the tables and suggest that it would be as interesting if you too would share more for it as well.
I could simply state that my absence of late has more to do with my being busy with my projects, my businesses, or my travels. That wouldn't be the whole of the truth however. It has more to do recently with my self imposed period of self reflection as well as being stunned with several e-mails received. It would seem as though that as my life has grown sweeter and sweeter as of late with each new success and venture, that I curiously lack the piss and vinegar associated with them as I did in the very recent past. Its a strange phase, as if though I am more unattached to their outcomes, and as a result feel less the needed or required charge for them as before, and yet all the while ironically that they keep manifesting sweeter than before the less involved in them I am, as if it matters, knowing all at once that it doesn't, while it does.
To the points made, I too agree that agreement is over-rated. Serious inquiry into any given subject by any given student of any given study requires exactly, as you stated, the deconstruction of that understanding/teaching through the direct challenging of it for its consequent learning. In other words, one must by necessity abstract. If one doesn't, then much is lost as a result. Challenging any thought, even if only as a thought experiment, is the high ground, consequently inducing growth and change as a result.This is true for any engineer who is required to take things apart, to any physician performing dissection, to any forensic accountant, or any crime detective, as much as it is for any serious understanding of any subject at hand. Agreement is certainly conducive to a home that fosters peace, but not for one that fosters growth as its primary objective. 3D requires the getting of eggs, as you put it, through this very arduous process. Those that have the stones to engage prosper the greater for it. Those that do not don't eat as well. That's 3D. To believe otherwise is unrealistic in 3D. I therefore agree with you wholeheartedly that disagreement through inquiry is a prerequisite for those more inclined to abstract, which is equally the prerequisite for spiritual growth. There are no exceptions. Without intellectual challenging, all then remains flat, textureless and gray, as you said, verses full of the ridges and bumps and color and hue of a non flat kaleidoscopic non-gray-scape. Abstractly challenging is more than simply a philosophical predilection in 3D. It is a strict requirement for growth in it as seen below:
Hello again,
Q
Ra Wrote:Questioner: Can you tell me how this newly created physical complex was suited to third-density lessons and what those lessons were?
Ra: I am Ra. There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.
The third-density mind was capable of processing information in such a way as to think abstractly and in what could be termed “useless” ways, in the sense of survival. This is the primary requisite.
There are other important ingredients: the necessity for a weaker physical vehicle to encourage the use of the mind, the development of the already present awareness of the social complex. These also being necessary: the further development of physical dexterity in the sense of the hand, as you call this portion of your body complex.
Questioner: Will you go ahead and comment on this?
Ra: I am Ra. The lobes of your physical complex brain are alike in their use of weak electrical energy. The entity ruled by intuition and impulse is equal to the entity governed by rational analysis when polarity is considered. The lobes may both be used for service to self or service-to-others. It may seem that the rational or analytical mind might have more of a possibility of successfully pursuing the negative orientation due to the fact that in our understanding too much order is by its essence negative. However, this same ability to structure abstract concepts and to analyze experiential data may be the key to rapid positive polarization. It may be said that those whose analytical capacities are predominant have somewhat more to work with in polarizing.
The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination, for without the acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty the creative aspects which aid in illumination will be stifled.
(08-16-2009, 05:34 PM)Solo Maters Wrote:(08-02-2009, 12:47 PM)airwaves Wrote: I miss Quantum and his "wall of text" answers and such that crit me and ayadew for one million damage in real life. Long as they were I always found something very usefull that resonated with me when he posted.
Come back Quantum!!!!
I'd offer first that there's been a lessening of the meat of the Law of One as a subject matter......
.....Why isn't the Ra Material discussed as a primary point? Why is it felt that although this site is clearly primarily dedicated to the Law of One, that the Law of One is not at least a self imposed prerequisite of reading by its participants, much less more clearly stated as a "more strongly suggested guide" in the guidelines? Is the primary purpose in the guidelines stated too weak? Does this site lack purpose or a mission without the Law of One specifically as a result? It seems obvious the answer is yes. It is highly peculiar from my perspective that its been suggested so often in posts that reading the Law of One is not a requirement. What else are we here for? Are we here as a social site to generally talk about music, or movies, or stereo speakers, gardening, drugs, or on the virtues of being vegetarian, mixed in lightly here and there with the Law of One? What is our purpose? What is our mission? Is it to simply fill in our time, or our void? If so, lets fill it with a purpose "in" the Law of One more specifically. It seems like a very obvious and self evident suggestion. Clearly I am not a David Wheelcock fan for many reasons as I wrote on one of my few posts. But at least he made it a tacit agreement that the Ra Material be read and accepted by his participants. His site has a specific purpose, notwithstanding that its always his purpose to his ego as if the tacit agreement extends to also tacitly accepting his interpretations as well. His site and B-4 are the only two I know that discuss the Law of One. His site, although totally contrary to the Law of One by his demand that you agree with everything he writes, nonetheless requires you at least to have read the Law of One. B-4 has participant moderators vs an owner dictator such as Wheelcock. Its refreshing. But if this site too isn't one that primarily distinguishes itself in the Ra Material as does Wheelcocks, then please pray tell, what exactly is it's true intention, purpose and mission? If the answer comes back that it is for any other reason, then I'd suggest that therein lies your answer.
Is the honesty and directness requested now as accepted when offered? It is offered with the caring conviction to a wonderful site that could even be so much more, all in the name of the Law of One...
Humbly,
Solo
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - ymunio - 08-16-2009
Elsewhere on this forum there is discussion of a Ra priesthood, and quoting of channeled sessions in chapter:verse format as if it were scripture. Maybe that is why activity on this site has lessened.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - indigomama - 08-17-2009
Here are my two cents for what they are worth... People come to this sight for a variety of reasons and at a variety of levels in understanding, experience, and progress along their spiritual path. There seems to be something here for everyone and if you feel you are a bit advanced compared to others perhaps you are drawn here to teach/learn. I would love to be able to quote Ra or Q'uo or any of that but it is still new to me and I have just begun to learn/teach. Also, I enjoy reading the longer posts as they give me alot to think about but I am impatient to get through as much material as I can each day and have much appreciation for those who manage to express themselves with fewer words. I guess what I am saying is that there is room here for everyone and I chose to join this forum as my first member experience precisely because of the content and the high degree of warmth and sincerity.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - βαθμιαίος - 08-17-2009
(08-16-2009, 05:34 PM)Solo Maters Wrote: David Wheelcock
Just a correction: you are writing about David Wilcock and his site divinecosmos.com, not to be confused with T. Wheelock and lawofone.info.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Richard - 08-17-2009
Quantum! Welcome back, my friend. You were missed.
Richard
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - 3D Sunset - 08-17-2009
Hi Q!
I had hoped that this thread might tempt you back into the pool, as it were. Thank you Solo, for adding the additional extra.... catalyst(?) that it took to get him talking again. I see that you have also caught up on your PMs, hope they were all of interest to you. No need to reply now, as your presence is answer enough.
Now, if we could only bring back Taha... I find it interesting that one of the common concerns expressed by Quantum, Solo, and Taha was an apparent reluctance to disagree (or put another way, an over-eagerness to agree to disagree) at our forum. Having been in the midst of several of our more animated discussions, I would agree that I learn the most from others that are willing to staunchly defend their points of view, but I also thought that folks were always careful to attack an argument, not a person (although I am reminded of the occasions of my first private conversations with Q and Ali Qadir, wherein they pointed out that I had fallen somewhat short of this mark on separate occasions... thanks again for bringing that to my attention, dear friends). It would be interesting to hear if others have ever felt that way about me or others.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
P.S. Thanks also to Solo for getting βαθμιαίος to break his recent silence. I'm sure that Solo couldn't confuse Tobey with Dave Wilcock, though... Tobey is much brighter with less ego.
It would really be an honor to hear more from you, dear βαθμιαίος.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Monica - 08-18-2009
(08-16-2009, 07:37 PM)Quantum Wrote: To the points made, I too agree that agreement is over-rated.
I'm a little perplexed about this statement. I haven't seen anyone ask for agreement here on the forum. I've only seen it requested privately.
Perhaps agreement is being confused with harmonious respect in the midst of disagreement.
...?
(08-16-2009, 07:37 PM)Quantum Wrote: Without intellectual challenging, all then remains flat, textureless and gray, as you said, verses full of the ridges and bumps and color and hue of a non flat kaleidoscopic non-gray-scape. Abstractly challenging is more than simply a philosophical predilection in 3D. It is a strict requirement for growth in it as seen below:
Ra Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking.
Respectfully, Quantum, I disagree that intellectual challenging is a prerequisite. I interpret Ra's words to indicate that intellectual exploration is necessary. But exploration is not the same thing as challenging the views of others. It is possible to explore the (seemingly opposing) views of others, while remaining harmonious and without an antagonistic attitude of challenge. The very concept of challenge implies opposition, imo. Intellectual exploration implies a willingness to learn from the point of view of another; whereas, intellectual challenge implies an adversarial position. Even with those with whom we vehemently disagree, it is possible, and, imho, preferential, to seek harmony and respect. To do so in the midst of intellectual disagreement is a powerful thing indeed.
Quote:I'd offer first that there's been a lessening of the meat of the Law of One as a subject matter......
Quite the contrary. There has most definitely been an increase in deep discussions over the 7.5 months we've been here. A quick perusal of the active discussions will show that more people are participating, and more 'deep' discussions are taking place.
However, there has also been a corresponding increase in what you seem to consider 'inane' discussions as well.
The fact is that there has been an overall increase of participation on B4 in general, so, naturally, this includes both 'deep' and 'inane' discussions. Perhaps it is the ratio of 'deep' to 'inane' discussions that you are noticing, rather than the actual number?
Quote:.....Why isn't the Ra Material discussed as a primary point?
It is, among a few individuals in certain threads, as well as a lot of individuals scattered across many, if not most, of our threads. If you were to read all of the threads and notate which have references to the Law of One, even quotes, you will find that a great many do. I know this because I read all the threads. I wonder if perhaps some members might be ignoring many threads because of a perception of inaneness, and therefore missing the many valuable gems scattered throughout.
Quote:Why is it felt that although this site is clearly primarily dedicated to the Law of One, that the Law of One is not at least a self imposed prerequisite of reading by its participants, much less more clearly stated as a "more strongly suggested guide" in the guidelines?
Are you proposing that we enforce such a prerequisite? If so, how?
Quote:Is the primary purpose in the guidelines stated too weak? Does this site lack purpose or a mission without the Law of One specifically as a result? It seems obvious the answer is yes.
Do you think that the Law of One is missing from our forum? If so, do you mean discussion of the Law of One, or the essence of the Law of One? For they are not necessarily the same!
Obvious to whom? To a few members? It is surely not obvious to everyone, or we'd be seeing a lot more people doing something about it.
Speaking of which, it seems to me that the most obvious solution to a concern about not enough content is to simply start new threads with 'deeper' content, or to participate more in the threads already started. I said this in an earlier post and I'll say it again: I started a number of threads in the 'Sessions' sub-forum which explore very deep stuff. Quantum, I invite you to wander on over there and help me get some deeper discussions going! I would love to see your participation in the discussions I started regarding sexual energy exchange...the failed STS coup...how to transform negative emotions into positive...and other useful topics. Your sharp intellect and exhaustive knowledge of the Law of One teachings would certainly liven up those old threads! You did that with the DW thread...I'd love to see you do that with other discussions as well!
It seems to me that a lot of people are hanging out over at the Life on Planet Earth sub-forum, where so-called 'inane' topics abound. If deeper discussions are desired, why not leave the fluffier discussions to those who enjoy them? Personally, I enjoy both! I most thoroughly enjoyed discussing music and the ethics (or lack thereof) of music pirating. It was fun to discuss the topic in the light of Law of One principles. That's part of real life! It is every bit as important as intellectually musing over whether the Shift will be sudden or gradual. Perhaps more so, imo, because how we experience the Shift has very little to do with our ability to discuss it, and a great deal to do with our everyday ethics regarding petty little decisions like whether it's ok to pirate music or not. Why? Because concepts of stealing vs non-stealing fall within the realm of how we serve others. And, serving others is the #1 stated requirement for graduation. All other requirements, such as balancing the energy centers, balancing intuition with intellectualizing, etc., all just support and define the biggie: Are we at least 51% in service to others? Maybe some people can pirate music and still be over that threshold...but do we really want to play around with stuff like that? It is a worthy discussion...every bit as worthy as the 2012 discussions or any others. IMHO.
But that's me. I enjoy most of the discussions here. For those of you who don't enjoy the music discussions or whatever, then the solution is simple: Simply don't participate in them.
There's an old saying: You cannot chase away darkness. Just turn on the light and darkness flees.
Let's substitute perceived inane discussions. Why does it matter if some members want to discuss music or whatever? It seems to me that the best way to deal with uninteresting discussions is to simply participate in interesting discussions.
Case in point: A handful of key players kept the DW thread going for quite a while, and it became our most popular thread at the time. Why not do that again with the sexuality thread or the failed STS coup thread or any one of the many straggling 'deep' threads that never got off the ground?
Quote:It is highly peculiar from my perspective that its been suggested so often in posts that reading the Law of One is not a requirement. What else are we here for?
I would say that we're here to promote the living of the Law of One, more so than the mere reading of the Law of One.
I don't recall seeing anyone say that reading the Law of One wasn't important or encouraged. On the contrary, I've seen new members encouraged to read the books many times. Are you saying that encouragement to read the books is not enough, and that members should be required to have read them? Again, how do you propose we enforce that? Quizzes?
The only times I remember someone being told that reading the books was not a requirement, was when they seemed to have a similar philosophy already. In such cases, in which the person is clearly in alignment with Law of One principles, are you proposing that we ban them until they prove that they've read the books? Conversely, if someone demonstrates extensive knowledge of the teachings, but doesn't seem to be of STO polarity, but is blatantly STS, do we allow them free passage because they've met the criteria?
As you can see, it can get very murky when we start trying to enforce such requirements! Who gets the honor of policing our members to see if they've met the criteria?
I contend that being in alignment with Law of One principles if far, far more important than having read the books (although I do agree that reading the books should be encouraged more than it is, and I am open to strengthening our guidelines on that point, to emphasis this more).
Case in point: I stated on a Christianity forum that the person who exemplified the Law of One teachings more than anyone else I'd ever met happened to be a Bible-believing Christian. This guy has never read the Law of One and probably never will. He doesn't need to. He already lives it.
I guess the real question is: Which is more important, intellectual discussion of the teachings, or real-life application of the teachings?
From our guidelines:
The purpose of our forum is to provide you and many seekers like you a safe meeting place conducive to conversation regarding the fascinating and inexhaustible field of spiritual evolution. And not just spiritual evolution in general, but spiritual evolution as understood through the eyes of the Law of One material, the Confederation philosophy, and the work of L/L Research. In the digital world of the internet, these forums represent a sacred meeting place, a holy temple where people from a wide range of backgrounds, temperaments, and orientations converge to share themselves on the common ground of service to others, of love, light, unity, and joy.
Quote:...lets fill it with a purpose "in" the Law of One more specifically. It seems like a very obvious and self evident suggestion. Clearly I am not a David Wheelcock fan for many reasons as I wrote on one of my few posts. But at least he made it a tacit agreement that the Ra Material be read and accepted by his participants.
Do you mean accepted intellectually, or do you mean that the person must be adhering to its tenets ie. actually living it? How do we judge that? How do we enforce that?
Do you acknowledge that it is entirely possible for someone to have read the Law of One and yet be living in an STS polarity? Or having not read the Law of One yet exemplifying its principles and a beacon of Light to all?
I contend that substance is more important than the external label one wears.
We are certainly open to amending the guidelines, if there is a reason to do so. As I read the guidelines as they stand now, they seem to me to be more about attracting those who live the Law of One. In most cases, those people have indeed read the Law of One teachings which are but descriptions of the Law of One. (The Law of One is not the books!) I have seen only a few exceptions in which members found a home here while not having read the actual books. I'm not sure how many of them stuck around. Provided their participation is respectful and seeking to learn/teach like the rest of us, I honestly don't see the value in denying those people access to our community. That seems divisive to me. I know of several who offered valuable contributions by offering their perspectives.
But, again, I do agree that reading the books could be encouraged more. I will discuss this with the other mods, and see if we can address this in the guidelines. Thank you for your input! We mods aren't running the show here. This is an interactive community. It takes all of us to participate and continue to evolve.
Quote:His site has a specific purpose, notwithstanding that its always his purpose to his ego as if the tacit agreement extends to also tacitly accepting his interpretations as well. His site and B-4 are the only two I know that discuss the Law of One. His site, although totally contrary to the Law of One by his demand that you agree with everything he writes, nonetheless requires you at least to have read the Law of One.
Hmmm...and we want to pattern our guidelines after his...why? You say he has a requirement to agree with him and a requirement to have read the books...Could there be a correlation here? Are you proposing that we fashion a similar requirement in our guidelines, while at the same time disliking DW's requirements?
I disagree that DW's site is totally contrary to the Law of One, despite any demands it might make. But that is better left for discusssion on the DW thread. I don't want to sidetrack this thread.
Quote:Is the honesty and directness requested now as accepted when offered? It is offered with the caring conviction to a wonderful site that could even be so much more, all in the name of the Law of One..
I agree that it could be so much more. I too would like to see more discussions on the deeper topics. I just disagree as to how to best accomplish that. I don't think putting unenforceable demands in our guidelines will make our discussions deeper. I think that would just alienate some people and even chase them away. Most importantly, I don't think it's necessary to add any new requirements in order to accomplish our goal of encouraging deeper discussions, although, as stated, I do agree that more encouragement towards reading the books is a good idea. The fluffy discussions and the deep discussions can COEXIST!!! All that's necessary to have deeper discussions is for more of us to simply start participating in them. How to do that? By starting with ourselves.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Quantum - 08-18-2009
(08-18-2009, 12:43 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote: I'm a little perplexed about this statement.
H-m-m-m-m....I'm equally more than a just a little bit confused if not perplexed with your responses throughout your post? Only the the first two quotes you cited in your post were mine. The remainder of the body of your post has you speaking to me as though those quotes also cited were also mine???
My quotes were:
1.
(08-16-2009, 07:37 PM)Quantum Wrote: To the points made, I too agree that agreement is over-rated.
2.
(08-16-2009, 07:37 PM)Quantum Wrote: Without intellectual challenging, all then remains flat, textureless and gray, as you said, verses full of the ridges and bumps and color and hue of a non flat kaleidoscopic non-gray-scape. Abstractly challenging is more than simply a philosophical predilection in 3D. It is a strict requirement for growth in it as seen below (in the Ra quote on abstraction given:
The rest of your post attributed to me was not mine? The entire thrust of my post had singularly to do with the ability to abstract. Nothing else. Please refer to my post again. I am more than happy to respond to the first two quotes you cited which were indeed mine, should you wish. I am further confused as to how the system would allow my handle "Quantum" to appear with quotes "as though mine" when in fact they belong to the previous writer Solo? Please also see Solo's post to view the mistake.
The ability to "abstract", as Ra stated, was one that may be considered paramount, and one as given by Ra for the ability to rapidly polarize.This is a jewel among among jewels, and one I would think not to be lightly overlooked or dismissed. Your singular response with respect to the distinction of words between the ability to "intellectually challenge" verses to "intellectually explore" are for me totally synonymous. We may therefore agree in order to dispense with the minutia of a simple word spinning in one direction verses another when in fact they may both be viewed as the same. I would be happy enough that one feel free to substitute one for the other rather than draw such a fine distinction where none was implied. Let us then use the ability to "intellectually abstract" as though synonymous to "intellectually challenge" and "intellectually explore" and not be married to the word 'challenge' as though meant to imply contradictory. To challenge is to explore and may even require one to consider being contrary in this context, less the meaning of my point be lost in the minutia of words not meant.
I offer again:
Ra Wrote:Questioner: Can you tell me how this newly created physical complex was suited to third-density lessons and what those lessons were?
Ra: I am Ra. There is one necessity for third density. That necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. In order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of abstract thought. Thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. This was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.
The third-density mind was capable of processing information in such a way as to think abstractly and in what could be termed “useless” ways, in the sense of survival. This is the primary requisite.
There are other important ingredients: the necessity for a weaker physical vehicle to encourage the use of the mind, the development of the already present awareness of the social complex. These also being necessary: the further development of physical dexterity in the sense of the hand, as you call this portion of your body complex.
Questioner: Will you go ahead and comment on this?
Ra: I am Ra. The lobes of your physical complex brain are alike in their use of weak electrical energy. The entity ruled by intuition and impulse is equal to the entity governed by rational analysis when polarity is considered. The lobes may both be used for service to self or service-to-others. It may seem that the rational or analytical mind might have more of a possibility of successfully pursuing the negative orientation due to the fact that in our understanding too much order is by its essence negative. However, this same ability to structure abstract concepts and to analyze experiential data may be the key to rapid positive polarization. It may be said that those whose analytical capacities are predominant have somewhat more to work with in polarizing.
The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination, for without the acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty the creative aspects which aid in illumination will be stifled.
Here is a powerhouse of a key and powerhouse of a tool not to be overlooked. There are few such recommendations for RAPID POLARIZATION referenced.
Q
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Monica - 08-18-2009
(08-18-2009, 02:25 PM)Quantum Wrote: The remainder of the body of your post has you speaking to me as though those quotes also cited were also mine???
Oops, sorry. The post I was responding to had quoted Solo. I usually copy and paste the html 'quote' code and evidently didn't keep track of who said what.
(08-18-2009, 02:25 PM)Quantum Wrote: I am more than happy to respond to the first two quotes you cited which were indeed mine, should you wish.
Sure, by all means, I would love for you to respond to my response to your post. You needn't wait for me to ask! And, since you and Solo seem to be so much in sync, please feel free to comment on the other points as well! We are all free to respond to any comments, not just to those that were in direct response to our own.
(08-18-2009, 02:25 PM)Quantum Wrote: The ability to "abstract", as Ra stated, was one that may be considered paramount, and one as given by Ra for the ability to rapidly polarize.This is a jewel among among jewels, and one I would think not to be lightly overlooked or dismissed.
It was no my intention to overlook or dismiss any points given by Ra. Further discussion of said points would best be explored in a new thread, so as not to further sidetrack the topic of this thread. I invite you to start a new thread on this topic, which, I agree, is worthy of discussion!
(08-18-2009, 02:25 PM)Quantum Wrote: Your singular response with respect to the distinction of words between the ability to "intellectually challenge" verses to "intellectually explore" are for me totally synonymous. We may therefore agree in order to dispense with the minutia of a simple word spinning in one direction verses another when in fact they may both be viewed as the same. I would be happy enough that one feel free to substitute one for the other rather than draw such a fine distinction where none was implied.
The reason I drew a distinction was that comments were made about 'agreement' being too highly prized. My point was to distinguish between respectful disagreement, with the shared interest of furthering learning, and adversarial challenging, which has the goal of assessing one viewpoint as being 'correct' in contrast with another being 'incorrect.' I think this is an important distinction. For those who perceive our forum as becoming too bland due to too much 'agreement' I was attempting to convey that respect and harmonious disagreement are encouraged, rather than conformity/homogenous agreement.
Which, in itself, is rather curious to me, since I see things on the inside that others don't. Several members have expressed concern to me that they might have inadvertently offended someone else. In nearly all the cases, there really wasn't anything to be concerned about at all! We just happen to have a lot of nice, respectful, considerate people here!
I think that's a good thing.
I've observed plenty of disagreement here. I don't think we're a homogenous group at all!
(08-18-2009, 02:25 PM)Quantum Wrote: Here is a powerhouse of a key and powerhouse of a tool not to be overlooked. There are few such recommendations for RAPID POLARIZATION referenced.
I would love to join you in a discussion of this in another thread!
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - βαθμιαίος - 08-18-2009
(08-18-2009, 03:11 PM)Bring4th_Monica Wrote:(08-18-2009, 02:25 PM)Quantum Wrote: Here is a powerhouse of a key and powerhouse of a tool not to be overlooked. There are few such recommendations for RAPID POLARIZATION referenced.
I would love to join you in a discussion of this in another thread!
Yes, please start such a thread Quantum. I'm itching to jump into this one on that topic, but I'm sure Monica is right that it would just confuse this thread.
BTW, what did happen to Taha? One week I check in here and he's everywhere and the next week almost all traces of him are gone. (Or is that off topic, too?)
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Monica - 08-18-2009
(08-18-2009, 04:37 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: By the way, what did happen to Taha? One week I check in here and he's everywhere and the next week almost all traces of him are gone.
Taha decided to leave, and sent a very nice, gracious message to the mods explaining that he had just decided to move on...was spending too much time here so felt it was best to just leave. Taha deleted his own posts. We were sad to see that happen. We told him we respected his decision, but would have preferred that he not take all traces of his existence with him. He hadn't quite seen it that way, and thanked us for our viewpoint. We told him he would be missed and would be welcome back at any time.
(08-18-2009, 04:37 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: (Or is that off topic, too?)
With all this talk about keeping threads on-topic, and especially since there are different viewpoints about it (some think we are too loose and others think we're too strict), I hope no one ever holds back from participating for fear of being off-topic! All threads have tangents scattered throughout...I don't think there is anything wrong with an occasional 'aside' comment or question! We don't want to get really anal about it! But if something triggers a whole new discussion, that's when it deserves its own thread.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - godexpressing - 08-21-2009
Sorry folks, but talking about being off topic is well, being off topic here. Please take this discussion to the Olio Forum. What I want this thread to address is why people were attracted to this web site, and what they would like to get out of their experience here.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
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I am here on this website because I feel alone and isolated. We live in a world surrounded by people who are spiritually asleep and have no interest in discussing the LOO or even living a life dedicated to serving others. To make matters worse, I am a senior manager in a industrial corporation. I would lose all credibility if I shared my spiritual views at the office.
I am less interested in getting questions answered as I am in just connecting with kindred spirits. I want to know that I am not alone in my struggle to live the LOO.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - 3D Sunset - 08-21-2009
(08-21-2009, 04:18 PM)godexpressing Wrote: I am here on this website because I feel alone and isolated. We live in a world surrounded by people who are spiritually asleep and have no interest in discussing the LOO or even living a life dedicated to serving others. To make matters worse, I am a senior manager in a industrial corporation. I would lose all credibility if I shared my spiritual views at the office.
I am less interested in getting questions answered as I am in just connecting with kindred spirits. I want to know that I am not alone in my struggle to live the LOO.
Hello godexpressing, and welcome to tour happy little forum! I hear, appreciate and resonate with your sentiment. In the past I have held C-level positions in the corporate world and I understand your concern. I would suggest that the greatest testament to your spiritual views is your radiant being-ness. If your feelings of isolation have caused you to "hide your candle under a bushel basket", as it were, then I suggest that now is the time to let your inner peace and happiness shine through. This needn't including sharing your spiritual views, but simply allowing yourself the freedom to be joyful. You may find after doing so, that not all those around you are as asleep as you think.
In my experience, radiating joy and happiness makes me feel better and allows me to connect better with those around me. It might not help, but it certainly couldn't hurt.
Love and Light,
3D Sunset
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Plenum - 04-10-2012
I like hanging out with cool people.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Daydreamin - 04-10-2012
IMO, WE all are part of a Soul Group family of some sort. Maybe we started a new Family before we incarnated and in today's age the internet is the best way for all of us to 'meet up and 'help' each other.
I've been on LOTS of forum's on the net off ALL different types and I can safely say that this site is one of a kind.
The way each of us seem to always be there for each other and one of us always seems to have the answer the other is looking for. Or can point them in the right direction at least.
So in my world this site is a way for all of us to gather to help each other evolve. And I also believe that in some way WE are connected. Whether it's nothing more than US being Wanderer's/Wayshower's or maybe we all were in Atlantis together or MU perhaps? I am sure that I was there in the last days of Atlantis and I'm starting to recall I may have been there to 'assist' the Atlanteans. I assisted them by trying to show them the way of MU and that there is no dimension better than the other and that Spiritual competition is a no-no. Meaning WE are ALL equal. And WE will ALL ascend together this time! Last time WE left the door open for Atlantis to ascend w/ MU but many decided not to come. I'm still trying to figure out if I stayed or I ascended w/ MU?
Any of you feel any of this ever? If anything this site helps us Wanderers/Wayshowers gather together and realize we're not the only ones that feel the way we do.
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Meerie - 04-10-2012
yes I agree, it feels like family, like a social memory complex gathering.
Your post was lovely, Daydreaming
edit : it still IS lovely, of course
RE: Why are we here (at Bring4th)? - Ramarson - 04-14-2012
Hi, folks. This is my first post.
I came across references to the Ra Material while researching the UFO/alien phenomenon. I had some past acquaintance with it (and in fact with Carla) but had never looked into it very thoroughly. Now I finally did, and am impressed by the depths and heights of the philosophy it presents. I went through the whole Study Guide and, sure enough, have been studying it the past couple of months. I also read the intro to Book One for the vital human component, the "ground crew" which brought this stuff to Earth.
Then yesterday I listened to Carla's radio show, which was pretty interesting and possibly stimulated a spark in a higher chakra. At one point it dawned on me that to a listener completely unacquainted with the Ra Material, most of the conversation would sound like unintelligible technobabble ~ yet I understood everything, at least in a conceptual sense. So I figured I may be ready to join the conversation here.
I've had a lot of spiritual ups and downs in my life. High experiences and exalted openings often led to karmic backlash from not being grounded in the lower centers or rays. I think I'm finally getting a little more balanced; hope it's not too late to do some good in this lifetime. I have done a lot of writing & research in the fields under discussion at Bring4th, which perhaps I can share when appropriate. Meanwhile, I'm looking forward to getting input from the diverse crew here on certain features of the Ra Material / Law of One which I'll post about soon.