(12-10-2011, 02:32 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 11:38 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 09:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote: That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

My understanding is that the 4D sphere is already completed and inhabitable.

Why is that?

Quote:It is indeed so that, in terms of birthing fourth-density Planet Earth, the work is complete.

(12-10-2011, 11:35 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-10-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: Third and fourth density now co-inhabit the same sphere (3D is ending, 4D is beginning (without getting into the eternal now)). Ra unequivocally states transitioning between them is upon physical death...

Yes, yes...

Quote:Third-density Earth is nested within fourth-density Earth. It is not the same Earth as fourth-density Earth. Third-density Earth will not become fourth-density Earth, any more than first-density Earth became second-density Earth, or second-density Earth became third-density Earth. These densities are nested in such a way as to occupy the same area or influence within space/time and time/space, held lovingly by the overarching energy field of your sun.

(12-10-2011, 02:35 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The polarized STS in 3D would undoubtedly see past such physical, stereotypical, limitations, being able to see what is provided by 'intelligent infinity' (which obviously transcends the physical convention). And the polarized STO would not subscribe to 'doctrine' when 'faith' is available.

Quote:Then I see the contact event that is a typical event that occurs on such lowly worlds at this point in their evolution. I see that this world finds out that there are others besides them living. This happens somewhere around 26 through 28 at the most.

Then I see my 40's since nothing else is interesting. Then go through the years quickly and somewhere between (fuzzy) 50's and 78 I see the possible chance to live to the age of 400 or so. I ask the invisible light case manager about this. He states that i will be approached by a man representing a group that is doing (fuzzy) ?genetic manipulation? and that he will only come to me once and that if i decide to then i can live up to 400 and can use the life for whatever I want. I go over again, the overall life and think not a very exciting life and an ordinary with some specialness lifetime mate. (we are very heady with our real minds! Don't blame me for my thoughts!) I tell him I will take his first offer. (I honestly don't care, to spiritual beings lives are like a suit, and a cheap one at that.)

(12-10-2011, 03:19 AM)Conifer16 Wrote: I know it already happens. Note that I said expressing itself more visibly. What I mean is that it will become more common ,right away,over time I don't know, and easier to notice by the mojority of people. I was wondering if tenet Nosce felt this to be what will happen. And I thought it was understood that 4th density telepathy is more of a feeling one with the other and exchanging more then Just thougt or feeling but the full self?

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

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Am I right about the general idea? Because I keep hearing it explained that way(4th density telepathy) all over.

Quote:http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=research&action=display&thread=1953&page=4

Quote:She said that not all aliens have telepathy in a natural sense. She said some use technological devices to create something similar. She said telepathy wasn't how most humans beings on earth see telepathy as being. She said that for example in her people they speak to each other by transmitting thoughts rather than a language via telepathy. I thought it was interesting but i asked her, how then do you understand each other if you misunderstand without a language?

She said that they had a higher capability of mental sensitivity to expressions. That their minds worked more efficiently than mine. She said for example in a span of 30 seconds she could say more to another being than a speaker at a podium could say in 30 minutes. I to say the least was skeptical. So i asked her to show me. She started out by saying something but when she spoke in her way I missed most of the ideas she expressed. Then I told her to say it with language. And she did so. Then she told me she could repeat it with language much faster, but that my mind would not grasp all of the concept quickly enough. She started repeating the same phrase quicker and quicker until I couldn't make sense of it.

They seem to think far faster and are able to see thought details that I'm not capable of noticing. She said human minds are actually pretty shallow comparatively to whats out there. She said we were engineered this way. I balked at the idea. She was basically saying that we were for all intents and purposes (I don't want to say retarded) were modified to be slow and less able. She said of course that didn't detract from my being a person but she said if I were to see other beings that I would quickly start to notice the difference.

This, I thought, was wrong that we should be "dimmed". I realized that we were basically experiments and cattle to some. We were on top of that retarded (I say that not her), in the grand scheme of things. She went on to say that our bodies and behaviors were also made by "the others" to be conflictive and intentionally "prone to problems" (deeply paraphrasing). She said both factions at one time honestly did a little of everything. Just one faction, more or less did it far more often.

(12-10-2011, 06:47 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: For anybody interested in learning more about L/L Research's well-researched and thoughtful view on this topic, I offer:

Homecoming 2010: The Winter Solstice of 2012

Quote:February 10, 2008 – Q’uo: There has been an ever-increasing energy among those who are incarnate upon Planet
Earth at this time towards desiring to retake the reins of stewardship of Gaia, of Mother Earth, and to administer
healing and restoration to the planet which has been so loving and so good to them, and has been their home. And
this shall continue for some hundreds of your years to be that great work which many who graduate from third
density wish to accomplish before they move on into other lessons.

Quote:November 21, 2005, Q’uo: We do not suggest for a moment that all of you shall die in one dramatic planetary
cataclysm. Indeed, once 2012 has come and gone, we are hoping that third density will have a considerable number
of years, perhaps even centuries, in which those who choose to dwell in third-density [physical] vehicles may see to
the continuing restitution or healing of your planet.

(12-11-2011, 02:21 AM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: Wow... Even better:

Quote:November 21, 2005, Q’uo: We do not suggest for a moment that all of you shall die in one dramatic planetary
cataclysm. Indeed, once 2012 has come and gone, we are hoping that third density will have a considerable number
of years, perhaps even centuries, in which those who choose to dwell in third-density [physical] vehicles may see to
the continuing restitution or healing of your planet.

This precisely what I wish to do! I think it would be wonderful to stick around and heal the planet in a physical vehicle that at least appears to be the same as this current physical vehicle. I see it in my minds eye as... coming to the last page in a hardcover book, and closing it.

(12-11-2011, 11:04 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: Just imagine our ability to help in our next life. I feel mine may be a short life. That's okay however.

(12-11-2011, 03:09 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote: I stress this is merely a theory. If you can find holes in it, I will not be offended. Feel free to constructively criticize. =OD

(12-11-2011, 03:09 PM)DuncanIdahoTPF Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 11:04 AM)Sagittarius Wrote: Just imagine our ability to help in our next life. I feel mine may be a short life. That's okay however.

Yes... It is doubtful I will make it 700 years if it does indeed last that long. I have a very rough theory/possibility/probability that may be however far a percentage we get into a "normal"(I use that term very loosely) human lifespan which currently 70-100ish years.

For example then, I would have roughly 60-75% of my lifespan left (I will have turned 27 in Dec 2012), so roughly 27%-40% of my lifespan used up. Then once all the orange ray energy peters out and the new green-ray oriented north pole takes over, I think its possible our lifespans will return to the 700-900 year range again as there will be no more detrimental electromagnetic energy aging us 10x quicker than normal.

I stress this is merely a theory. If you can find holes in it, I will not be offended. Feel free to constructively criticize. =OD

Quote:I am aware of your question, my sister. First, let us elucidate the question for the one known as [Ra] for his description of longevity as we understood it included not nearly a long life as we now know it, but that which you would term an impossibly long life, such as one which would span two centuries or more. And, indeed, we enjoy a longer life than you by many centuries, for our whole sense of time and space have changed, as we have entered new vibratory patterns. Now secondly, let us address ourselves to your question of a normally long life being perhaps not desirable.

May we say to you that lives, as you know them, whether long or short, by any standards, are in a certain pattern, which you have chosen before you enter into the pattern. As a result of going from the beginning to the end of this pattern, your spirit hopes that it will have learned certain lessons, and thus have improved and defined the vibration which is its essence in the sphere of eternity in which all of you truly glow.

When one contemplates and then does that which is known as suicide, one cuts short before the natural end the time of learning, and more often than not the lessons which that soul had hoped to learn had not been learned. Consequently, it is often so that rather than alleviating karma, the action of taking one’s life adds more karma to the burden which is already carried and which you are trying to discharge by the expression which is the lifetime which you are now living.

Thus, when you reenter incarnation you have not only the original lesson to relearn but an additional severity to that lesson which is brought on by that pain which you have caused to those who you have previously left. Many times this type of karma is alleviated by the total forgiveness of those whom you have hurt.

However, it is simply desirable to live until it is time for your lesson to be through, for your burdens to be laid down. It is a truism, we are aware, but we must repeat that you are not given those things which you cannot bear. Thus, working through what is difficult when you finished with a lifetime at its natural end, whether it be short or long, you can then go on and learn other perhaps more agreeable lessons in other perhaps more agreeable spheres or vibrations.

If you may think of your existence as having a natural rhythm and an ongoing purpose, perhaps it will be easier for you to understand that suicide, as you call it, is a stoppage of that rhythm in an arbitrary manner. Instead, it is desirable to proceed with the rhythm of your existence, always seeing the many lessons that are about you and letting the realization of love flow into you from the Father. If you can keep these realizations before you, your life in this realm and all others will be enjoyable and fruitful. Does this answer your question?

(12-10-2011, 07:51 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: By "doctrine of eternal life" I mean the teaching that consciousness is neither created nor destroyed. This refers to the idea that there is something more after we experience death. In this view, death is but the loss of a form, and is both natural and desirable.

By "doctrine of immortality" I mean the idea that consciousness can become permanently united with the body, and thus "live forever". Along with this notion is the idea of all manner of "supernatural" powers which are developed by the initiate. Supernatural because they belong to 4D, not 3D.

(12-11-2011, 05:25 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: According to some estimates, with the current pace of technology your life expectancy may be increasing about as fast as you are living it. This is not factoring in longevity which may result from continued spiritual development.

I suspect, for some it will come down to simply choosing to leave the body behind. Kind of like suicide, except without all the fear, gore, and surprise factor.

Once we get to that point, there will be some tough decisions to be made. If we can become physically immortal... is that wise or desirable?

(12-11-2011, 06:04 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I think subscription to the 'doctrine of immortality', if it is 'STS", would be a rather non-polarized or immature view. Looks to be related to the orange vMeme where you have such related concepts as transhumanism. My understanding would be that the polarized STS or STO would have contacted intelligent infinity and know transience of form.

(12-11-2011, 06:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 06:04 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I think subscription to the 'doctrine of immortality', if it is 'STS", would be a rather non-polarized or immature view. Looks to be related to the orange vMeme where you have such related concepts as transhumanism. My understanding would be that the polarized STS or STO would have contacted intelligent infinity and know transience of form.

Yes, I was thinking more along the lines of late 3D / early 4D STS. A more mature STS entity would know about transience of form... but wouldn't exactly want all of their minions learning that too quickly. Too dangerous.

Plus, elusive promises of physical immortality offers a convenient distraction for seekers mucking about in 3D. I see it as a carefully laid spiritual trap.

(12-11-2011, 06:28 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: And I am not just talking about alchemy, but I see some similar notions being tossed about in "longevity" and "anti-aging" medicine along with a hefty undertone of atheism.

(12-12-2011, 07:52 PM)JeiaRaManuk Wrote: I presented this quote to DivineCosmos Forum and it became a heated discussion in minutes:
Here is the link to my 2 last posts in which I explain certain things regarding the Shift and etc.:
http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?9339-Who-is-Q-uo&p=62671#post62671

(12-12-2011, 10:45 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-12-2011, 07:52 PM)JeiaRaManuk Wrote: I presented this quote to DivineCosmos Forum and it became a heated discussion in minutes:
Here is the link to my 2 last posts in which I explain certain things regarding the Shift and etc.:
http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?9339-Who-is-Q-uo&p=62671#post62671

I could see how a lot of your assumptions would be viable, but a couple of things: 4D is still working with dualities i.e. "time" and "space" aren't fully balanced. And 4D is not at all "conscious awareness of the Law of One", that awareness is late 5D. Also, early 3D subdensities don't provide the framework for polarization - there is no 'experiential nexus' from which to work. Basically a survival mode, foraging with a new self-awareness and what not, as Ra said.

Also Q'uo is more of Carla's intuition then something which encompass's Ra's group, especially when it comes to addressing the more circumstantial questions, so I'd take those descriptions with a big grain of salt. It seems that, with Q'uo' everything unfalsifiable is 'safely validated' for the questioner- kinda over-indulgent, if you ask me - but she probably thought that's what they needed to hear.

(12-12-2011, 11:13 PM)JeiaRaManuk Wrote: Well easy to find fault, eh?
I'm sorry; there seems to be misunderstanding here.
When I referred to duality I was really just talking about the vibe that the 3rd density has. By all means, I don't mean it's the end of dualistic experience, I just mean dualistic as we experience in 3d.
Plus, let's remember for a moment, that there are 2 ways you can ascend to 4th density; STS and STO. STS is what feeds the dualistic perspective further.

(12-12-2011, 11:13 PM)JeiaRaManuk Wrote: STO is what suppresses it and eliminates it all together at ascension into 6th density.

(12-12-2011, 11:13 PM)JeiaRaManuk Wrote: By this: ""conscious awareness of the Law of One" I was not referring to the awareness of Love the Light then Law of One; as it goes through 4th, 5th and 6th density. What I meant was the reach to spirituality that Lemurians and Early Atlantians had. And that ones we are exposed to the tech that Atlantians used (free energy) we will have an opportunity to devote ourselves to spirituality again.

Quo Wrote:Third-density Earth is nested within fourth-density Earth. It is not the same Earth as fourth-density Earth. Third-density Earth will not become fourth-density Earth, any more than first-density Earth became second-density Earth, or second-density Earth became third-density Earth. These densities are nested in such a way as to occupy the same area or influence within space/time and time/space, held lovingly by the overarching energy field of your sun.

Third-density Earth is an Earth whose light is waning. While it will remain third-density, it will no longer support third-density entities in their seeking of the truth. Thusly, third density is shortly to become inactive, we would say, within three or four hundred of your years beyond 2012. Thusly, 2013 upon your planet will look very much like 2012 upon your planet. However, you will find that your population of entities grows more and more interested and fascinated with the reparation of the Earth and the healing of what you call your Mother Earth or Gaia.

Those who incarnate at this time upon Planet Earth, that is, after 2012, will be those whose experiences in other incarnations have carried with them an element of adhering karma because of the destruction of their Earth whether it be this Earth and the destruction of Atlantis, or Maldek, or Mars, or several other Earths that created an uninhabitable third-density planet and thusly needed to finish third density upon Planet Earth. There are quite a few millions of those who feel that desire at this time to be part of the healing of the Mother. And there is great joy in contemplating that healing.

Fourth-density Earth is an entirely different sphere, within which third density is nested. And as fourth-density light becomes that which your sun is capable of offering, that fourth-density Earth shall more and more become populated by those from third-density Earth who have graduated in a positive sense and wish to move on. It will be a long time before entities who are inhabiting third density will be able to see entities of fourth density. However, they are as real and as physical, shall we say, to themselves and to fourth-density Earth as you are to your Earth.

We realize that this is one of the less comfortable or naturally obvious concepts having to do with the concept of densities. It is natural for a person to think that this same Earth upon which your feet make footsteps shall become fourth density and that on this same Earth, fourth density shall take place. However, we would suggest to you that it is much like wanting to take your physical body with you when you pass from physical life upon this planet and hoping to drag what this instrument would call this chemical distillery of a body into fourth density and attempt to lug it around when everyone else is dancing with a much lighter and electrically driven rather than chemically driven body.

Quo Wrote:We are those of Q’uo, and we thank the one known as M for this query. To the one known as M we would say that the function of the veil is to create the atmosphere and the environment of Planet Earth in which nothing of metaphysical import can be known in the sense of being proven. Within the veil, there is no way to claim to know or to apprehend the love and the light of the one infinite Creator except by faith.

Third density is a density of choice. Within third density lie beings that are self-aware, unlike those in second density, who are aware without being self-aware. There is a choice to be made in this density. All of the study, all of the thought, all of the experiencing within third density is intended to have a tendency to move one to points of choice. That choice is the choice of the self-aware entity for service to others and radiancy of being, or service to self and contraction of being. To put it another way, it is a choice between living by love and living by fear, or living by embracing all that there is as part of you and living by setting yourself over and apart from all other entities and forces within the creation.

(12-14-2011, 12:53 AM)JeiaRaManuk Wrote: remember that there is no 6th density negative beings. because there is no negativity nor positivity there or perhaps as Ra explains; one can experience the 5th density negative vibration for as much as one wants but one cannot go into 6th density with out accepting the Law of One; thus giving up the STS orientation.

(12-13-2011, 10:47 PM)Observer Wrote: So, in this life around 2016 it will be useless to seek the truth?
According to Q'uo when he says "Thusly, third density is shortly to become inactive, we would say, within three or four hundred of your years beyond 2012."
Would that not state that our journey here is useless after this point?

(12-13-2011, 07:49 AM)Namaste Wrote: I especially enjoyed the STO/STS analogy of radiance and contraction, respectively.

(12-14-2011, 09:54 AM)Namaste Wrote: Not at all. It's actually great news - read this.

(12-14-2011, 02:22 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Not quite. 5th-density negative beings and social complex graduate to 6th density, and are basically extremely wise negative beings. They then balance to positive during the early part of 6D (what, a few million years?).

Quote:The later part of 6D has no polarity (duality) at all.

43.14 Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. This is correct although in fifth density entities may choose to learn as a social memory complex or as mind/body/spirit complexes and may graduate to sixth density under these conditions, for the wisdom density is an extremely free density whereas the lessons of compassion leading to wisdom necessarily have to do with other-selves.

47.2 Wrote:The incorrectness lies in the consideration that social memory complexes were planned by the Logos or sub-Logos. This is incorrect, as the unity of the Creator exists within the smallest portion of any material created by Love, much less in a self-aware being.

(12-14-2011, 02:22 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-14-2011, 12:53 AM)JeiaRaManuk Wrote: remember that there is no 6th density negative beings. because there is no negativity nor positivity there or perhaps as Ra explains; one can experience the 5th density negative vibration for as much as one wants but one cannot go into 6th density with out accepting the Law of One; thus giving up the STS orientation.

Not quite. 5th-density negative beings and social complex graduate to 6th density, and are basically extremely wise negative beings. They then balance to positive during the early part of 6D (what, a few million years?). The later part of 6D has no polarity (duality) at all.

(12-14-2011, 11:33 AM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-14-2011, 09:54 AM)Namaste Wrote: Not at all. It's actually great news - read this.

I can see how this wouldn't be "great news" for one who has been spiritually lackadaisical up until this point, thinking they had "forever" to do the inner work necessary to continue on to the next level of the game. I can see how it would be a tough pill to swallow that, indeed, there is/was a temporal "deadline" that has/had been put to humans to evolve past a certain basic level of awareness.

Of course, in the grand scheme of things, no soul is ever lost. But for those who got caught in the "sinkhole of indifference" they've got a whole 'nother round of 3D to look forward to. But I am sure they will learn to make the best of it, and keep in mind that not all 3D environments operate with as thick of a veil as this one. It is quite possible to live and grow in a 3D world without having to experience such extreme suffering as we have going on here.