(11-17-2011, 02:47 AM)Whitefeather Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 09:42 PM)yossarian Wrote: ...People get what they ask for. It is hard to see how people would choose suffering, and yet this is precisely what they do. The very fact that it is possible that people in the midst of suffering cannot see that they chose the suffering is a kind of ultimately mystery of our nature, our nature as creators, our nature as One Infinite Creator.

I do not think that people choose the suffering for the suffering, I think rather that people are living their DNA, is what happens to them, suffering included.
Let's face it! The main service of wanderers is the cleansing of the DNA so that humankind makes the jump at this time. It is because the DNA is reaching Light status at this particular space/time. Space/time is meeting with time/space.

DNA expresses itself in people, one task at a time. And every time it does and manifests in the person' life a dark part of itself in need of healing, it is because it is looking for the optimal response. The new response (choice) will then change the old program and paradigm. A positive response such as forgiveness, peace, non-judgment, love, compassion and blessings, etc. will polarize the individual positively obviously. It is the heart aligned response.
A response which turns around bad thoughts and feelings, cursing, resentment, hoping something bad happens to the adversary, slandering, lying, pushing, forcing, manipulation in order to gain societal group power and harming, will polarize the individual toward the negative path. It is the mind aligned response.

Now, everyone DNA should be cleared by now so, how is it possible that so much DNA is still uncleared in too many people when we are reaching ascension time? It is the result of the work of the negative forces. The poisons, toxins, radiations, illnesses, traumas, vaccinations, word programming, deceptions, wars, disinformation, judgments putting people against one another, etc. all which they are putting in here massively renders the natural process of ascension a very difficult thing for everyone to go through.

The word "fair" does not exist amongst the negative entities... or only to make believe and as tool of deception.

L/L

(11-17-2011, 07:35 AM)turtledude23 Wrote:

(11-17-2011, 02:47 AM)Whitefeather Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 09:42 PM)yossarian Wrote: ...People get what they ask for. It is hard to see how people would choose suffering, and yet this is precisely what they do. The very fact that it is possible that people in the midst of suffering cannot see that they chose the suffering is a kind of ultimately mystery of our nature, our nature as creators, our nature as One Infinite Creator.

I do not think that people choose the suffering for the suffering, I think rather that people are living their DNA, is what happens to them, suffering included.
Let's face it! The main service of wanderers is the cleansing of the DNA so that humankind makes the jump at this time. It is because the DNA is reaching Light status at this particular space/time. Space/time is meeting with time/space.

DNA expresses itself in people, one task at a time. And every time it does and manifests in the person' life a dark part of itself in need of healing, it is because it is looking for the optimal response. The new response (choice) will then change the old program and paradigm. A positive response such as forgiveness, peace, non-judgment, love, compassion and blessings, etc. will polarize the individual positively obviously. It is the heart aligned response.
A response which turns around bad thoughts and feelings, cursing, resentment, hoping something bad happens to the adversary, slandering, lying, pushing, forcing, manipulation in order to gain societal group power and harming, will polarize the individual toward the negative path. It is the mind aligned response.

Now, everyone DNA should be cleared by now so, how is it possible that so much DNA is still uncleared in too many people when we are reaching ascension time? It is the result of the work of the negative forces. The poisons, toxins, radiations, illnesses, traumas, vaccinations, word programming, deceptions, wars, disinformation, judgments putting people against one another, etc. all which they are putting in here massively renders the natural process of ascension a very difficult thing for everyone to go through.

The word "fair" does not exist amongst the negative entities... or only to make believe and as tool of deception.

L/L

Why do you talk about DNA? I agree we are here to help people overcome their unpolarizing habits, but that's the realm of the unconscious mind, not DNA. DNA is the programming of the body for survival ...

Quote:and hasn't changed very much since the very first human beings showed up on Earth. In computer terms DNA is like firmware, how the hardware functions is little of our concern because we're here to fix the software.

(11-18-2011, 12:42 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: You're assuming there will be an ascension, I'm of the opinion that everything will carry on the same and the only changes will be metaphysical and subtle, therefore I don't see any need for DNA to change.

(11-16-2011, 09:42 PM)yossarian Wrote: Fairness is a human concept, not a metaphysical principle, not a law of creation.

Life isn't fair, creation isn't fair, none of it is fair. People get what they ask for. It is hard to see how people would choose suffering, and yet this is precisely what they do. The very fact that it is possible that people in the midst of suffering cannot see that they chose the suffering is a kind of ultimately mystery of our nature, our nature as creators, our nature as One Infinite Creator.

(11-16-2011, 10:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 10:36 PM)yossarian Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 10:19 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(11-16-2011, 09:42 PM)yossarian Wrote: Life isn't fair, creation isn't fair, none of it is fair.

Life, creation, all of it is 100% fair and fool-proof. Circumstantial comparisons and the imagination allow it to be seen as unfair, where "unfair" = "what I think I don't want vs what I think should be".

If you stop using conventional word definitions and understandings, it's possible to argue anything.

Humans consider it unfair when one person is born to poverty while another is born to wealth. This is a human definition, this is widely regarded as unfair by humans, therefore from our perspective unfairness exists.

From the ultimate perspective everything looks fair, but that ultimate perspective does not answer the human question about unfairness.

Basically I think you're context switching with this comment. Context switching can cause a lot of confusion and appear antagonistic. Of course, Zen masters don't mind causing confusion.

I'm a human and think it's all fair. So, guess you'd be wrong. From your perspective, it's not fair, from mine it is. Not sure how there has to be an argument, but Yoss arians like to identify with the mass mind.