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RE: Debt forgiveness - Oceania - 06-24-2011
well it's just in theory, i don't want to be trapped. you know, for example if i was on a planet headed for 4D negative i would want to leave. or if i wanted to be with someone in another social memory complex. my point is freedom. i guess what got me thinking was the gravity well. that poor soul who incarnated on a negative planet could have in theory left on a space ship, right? and found a positive planet.
RE: Debt forgiveness - Bring4th_Austin - 06-24-2011
Sure, in theory I think it would be possible with what Ra has told us. Except if you were an STO soul headed for harvest, you'd be ushered to a 4D positive planet after harvest.
But Ra did describe some 3D races able to achieve inter-stellar travel...they did have to put themselves in some sort of a stasis to get anywhere.
I can understand your empathy for the soul who got pulled into negative time/space. While the circumstances are dire and sort of scary, I think the escape scenario you're thinking about sounds sort of like a heroic adventure. Ra says either way the path will inevitably end well, I guess it would end well a little quicker if they were able to flee the planet.
RE: Debt forgiveness - Oceania - 06-24-2011
if it's possible it's possible. heroic adventures are possible. what you would maybe need in that situation is the knowhow to build a ship that can do interstellar travel. of course you could also polarize negative as far as you need, using slaves to build you a ship, and then once you get on it you can work on polarizing positive to fit in on the positive planet.
RE: Debt forgiveness - Bring4th_Austin - 06-24-2011
Reading back over that session, I'm not so sure any more. Ra says that the soul would incarnate into the negative density of its home density, meaning if it were a wanderer of 6D polarization, it would be pulled to 6D time/space, and incarnate into negative 6D space/time.
I'm not sure why the entity couldn't just simply leave that space/time locus and travel to positive space/time. Maybe it has something to do with being trapped in negative time/space?
I'm not so sure escaping would be a possibility...it seems like Ra would have mentioned that as a possibility.
But...I guess "anything is possible," so why not?
RE: Debt forgiveness - Oceania - 06-24-2011
where does it say that? that makes no sense, in 6D negative the entity could already switch.
RE: Debt forgiveness - zenmaster - 06-24-2011
(06-24-2011, 12:26 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: Not really sure what Ra says about joining other social memory complexes...but you don't have to join Earth's. Ra said that when the time comes, entities can make the choice to either continue learning alone or as part of a social memory complex.I think that choice applies to fifth density only. Also, why don't you think you would not have to join the local?
RE: Debt forgiveness - Bring4th_Austin - 06-24-2011
I remembered this quote wrong:
Quote:43.14 Questioner: Then the big difference in harvestability between third and fourth density is that at the end of the third density the individual is harvested as a function of individual violet ray, but it is the violet-ray for the entire social memory complex that must be of a harvestable nature to graduate to the fifth density. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct although in fifth density entities may choose to learn as a social memory complex or as mind/body/spirit complexes and may graduate to sixth density under these conditions, for the wisdom density is an extremely free density whereas the lessons of compassion leading to wisdom necessarily have to do with other-selves.
I remembered it applying to the formation of a social memory complex.
RE: Debt forgiveness - βαθμιαίος - 06-24-2011
(06-24-2011, 01:17 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I'm not sure why the entity couldn't just simply leave that space/time locus and travel to positive space/time. Maybe it has something to do with being trapped in negative time/space?
Ra explained that the negative time/space location was pre-incarnative, meaning that the only way out was through incarnation into negative space/time.
RE: Debt forgiveness - Oceania - 06-24-2011
so in 5D you can go off on your own?
(06-24-2011, 01:50 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(06-24-2011, 01:17 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I'm not sure why the entity couldn't just simply leave that space/time locus and travel to positive space/time. Maybe it has something to do with being trapped in negative time/space?
Ra explained that the negative time/space location was pre-incarnative, meaning that the only way out was through incarnation into negative space/time.
yes but it must be possible to solve it in space/time by leaving the planet.
RE: Debt forgiveness - βαθμιαίος - 06-24-2011
(06-24-2011, 01:51 PM)Oceania Wrote: yes but it must be possible to solve it in space/time by leaving the planet.
How? You'd be the slave of an extremely wise and powerful entity. Your only way out would be to become negative yourself.
RE: Debt forgiveness - Bring4th_Austin - 06-24-2011
(06-24-2011, 01:59 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:(06-24-2011, 01:51 PM)Oceania Wrote: yes but it must be possible to solve it in space/time by leaving the planet.
How? You'd be the slave of an extremely wise and powerful entity. Your only way out would be to become negative yourself.
In theory, say the opportunity arose for you to steal a ship (the kind using the sling-shot effect Ra talks about)...couldn't you escape to positive space/time? What is it that wouldn't make this possible?
I feel like Ra would have said something about leaving negative space/time physically if it were possible, but I can't think of any reason it isn't.
RE: Debt forgiveness - Oceania - 06-24-2011
well i can be wise and positive. and if it's 3D i can still have the option of polarizing positive. even if i am initially feeling crabby there i can remember i want to be positive, and hold onto that as a goal. then i can be as negative as i need to be to escape.
RE: Debt forgiveness - Bring4th_Steve - 06-24-2011
This thread is derailing. Please keep the topic to "Debt forgiveness".
Thanks!
Steve
RE: Debt forgiveness - βαθμιαίος - 06-24-2011
But Steve, this is interesting!
Anyone want to start a new thread for this derailment?
RE: Debt forgiveness - kycahi - 06-24-2011
(06-24-2011, 02:10 PM)abridgetoofar Wrote: I feel like Ra would have said something about leaving negative space/time physically if it were possible, but I can't think of any reason it isn't.
Ra said you can switch from STS to STO or vice versa at any old time.
Sorry, Steve.
RE: Debt forgiveness - Oceania - 06-24-2011
i do!