(05-09-2011, 01:19 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Disregarding what Ra said about Sun lacking polarity, why would only the consideration of 1st density, or Red ray, or em radiation or mass, be the determining characteristic? We know 1st density is not polarized. We know that the foundational ray is equal in both polarities.

(05-09-2011, 09:54 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: The sun, in astrology, is like the significator. It is what we 'shine' forth. It is what we express. It is what we create.

The 'movement' of the suns position throughout the year will 'illuminate' things for us, whether we realize it or not.

Quote:Positive associations with this tarot card: happiness, greatness, enlightenment, vitality, good health, love, fulfillment.

Negative associations with this tarot card: misjudgement, delays, potential failure, inflated ego.

(05-09-2011, 01:19 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Disregarding what Ra said about Sun lacking polarity, why would only the consideration of 1st density, or Red ray, or em radiation or mass, be the determining characteristic? We know 1st density is not polarized. We know that the foundational ray is equal in both polarities.

(05-09-2011, 02:51 PM)Azrael Wrote: However, does that mean that our Sun is experiencing lessons through interactions with other sub-Logoi? Can we even really place to down to such a factor of "personality"?

Quote:Metaphysically, the sun achieves a meaning to fourth through seventh density according to the growing abilities of entities in these densities to grasp the living creation and co-entity, or other-self, nature of this sun body. Thus by the sixth density the sun may be visited and inhabited by those dwelling in time/space and may even be partially created from moment to moment by the processes of sixth density entities in their evolution.

(05-09-2011, 04:17 AM)Confused Wrote: Regarding the Sun as STO, why did it then veil so deeply the entities in its planetary domain, in spite of the fact that it creates so much potential for needless pain? I am not able to understand that. Is it insensitive? Does it only want to draw our energies of evolution from us? Just some questions I find difficult to get my head around?

(05-09-2011, 04:22 PM)Namaste Wrote: It's simply necessary; free will.

(05-09-2011, 04:31 PM)Confused Wrote: But the veiling seems to have only lead to severe circumscribing of freewill on earth.

Quote:And who gives the solar logoi to decide whether I as a m/b/s complex have the right to freewill or not.

Quote:And if I have the right to freewill, why is it severely limited in terms of scope by multiple factors, starting from the nature of the body and the mind?

(05-09-2011, 06:11 PM)Namaste Wrote: Edit: check the time of this post :¬)

Quote:How was the Sun formed?
From studies of other stars which astronomers can see in many different stages of their 'life cycle', it seems pretty convincing from the data that the sun must have started out as a large collapsing cloud of gas inside some ancient interstellar cloud. This cloud was 'polluted' by a supernova several million years before the collapse phase ended, because we see certain isotopes of aluminum which could not have been a part of this cloud for very long unless they had been implanted by such an event.

The cloud collapsed for millions of years until it formed a rotating disk with a large central bulge. Out of the disk would eventually form the planets, and out of this central bulge where most of the mass wound up, formed the sun. We see such rotating disks of gas around many infant stars embedded in nebulae so this has confirmed this basic picture during the last 15 years or so. This isn't just 'theory' anymore.

The central bulge continued to collapse under its own gravity until deep in its interior the temperatures got so high...several million degrees....that deuterium atoms began to fuse and give off thermonuclear energy. This slowed the collapse down a bit and eventually led to a second stage where hydrogen nuclei could fuse into helium, which then started the sun's current evolutionary phase.

While all this was happening, the surface of the sun became very active and produced a powerful wind which blew out all of the remaining gas and dust in the surrounding disk of gas which had not settled into the bodies of the new planets that had formed. This 'T-Tauri wind' also scoured clean the atmospheres of the inner planets so that they were bare rock. Those that were volcanically active, however, were able to regenerate their atmospheres from the gases ejected by volcanic activity.

From start to finish, it took something like 100 million years to form the sun and planets from a collapsing cloud of gas, and this is not very long at all!!
source: http://image.gsfc.nasa.gov/poetry/ask/a11379.html

(05-09-2011, 07:50 PM)Confused Wrote:

(05-09-2011, 06:11 PM)Namaste Wrote: Edit: check the time of this post :¬)

The original time of the post says -- 06:11 PM

b4th applies local timings for people viewing it, I think. Is that the time on your side as well?

(05-10-2011, 04:05 AM)Namaste Wrote: Have you looked into the wave/particle duality of this density, and the primacy of consciousness? It's more amazing to me that our feet 'touch' the ground (or anything for that matter - pun intended!).

(05-10-2011, 05:43 AM)Azrael Wrote: http://www.biogeometry.com/english/energy.php

Quote:Energy whether as nothing, anything, something, or everything, is the pure essence of consciousness and wisdom. Even in its primordial state of nothingness it is already on the highest and most sophisticated level of life.

Quote:Our solar system is at the edge of a spiral arm called the Orion Arm, and is about two-thirds of the way from the center of our galaxy to the edge of the starlight.

(05-10-2011, 05:56 AM)Confused Wrote: Then why put me in a constraining body/environment to learn, while all is known at the highest and most sophisticated level?

(05-10-2011, 06:34 AM)Namaste Wrote: Imagine mapping the seven consciousness rays from the outer starlight to the black hole (elevator to the next octave, perhaps?) in the center of our galaxy. Our sun, and hence our earth, are positioned roughly in between the yellow and green rays.

(05-10-2011, 06:53 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 06:34 AM)Namaste Wrote: Imagine mapping the seven consciousness rays from the outer starlight to the black hole (elevator to the next octave, perhaps?) in the center of our galaxy. Our sun, and hence our earth, are positioned roughly in between the yellow and green rays.

Dear Namaste, thank you for a beautiful post and a wonderful elaborate elucidation, in terms of the pictograph. I have picked on the above line because I am extremely interested in it. It definitely does not seem to be coincidence, in my sight.

How did you come across that information? Or was it something that was impressed upon you via your dreams, in which higher forces commune with people residing in s/t? I would be very grateful if you can expand upon it.

Thank you and namaste to you, Namaste

(05-10-2011, 07:28 AM)Namaste Wrote: The ray-mapping notion popped into my mind when contemplating your question, in relation to the Ra quote regarding the level of consciousness and galactic positioning, and hence our third density planet.

(05-10-2011, 06:34 AM)Namaste Wrote: Coincidence? I would tend to think not, considering the nature of this density and the choices/catalyst we face :¬)

When we pass over - birth into spirit - and move to a new, or home density, I would imagine we'll be in a galaxy position that reflects this density.

(05-10-2011, 07:57 AM)zenmaster Wrote: But the whole solar system moves with the Earth with respect to the galactic center, and each solar system can have the (extant) full range of densities.

Quote:Our Sun is but one of a collection of about 200 billion stars known as the Milky Way, around which it revolves once every ¼ billion years or so, taking its retinue of planets with it. The galactic center around which it revolves is the center from which all stars in this and all galaxies are born, and is the highest vibration human mortals can receive and use here on Earth. This is possibly because one of its children, our Sun, acts as a step-down transformer and mediator of the galactic center's energy to the denizens of one of its grandchildren, the planet Earth. This is behind the love you’re receiving.

Astronomers hypothesize that the centers of most galaxies (including our own Milky Way) contain a black hole with the mass of millions or billions of Suns. They are believed to form because of the very dense stellar populations at the centers of galaxies. Over billions of years, because of their propinquity, many of the stars in a galactic core merge into an object so massive that even light cannot escape -- hence the name "black hole."
Source: http://www.myastrologybook.com/galactic-center-great-central-Sun.htm

(05-10-2011, 07:57 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 06:34 AM)Namaste Wrote: Coincidence? I would tend to think not, considering the nature of this density and the choices/catalyst we face :¬)

When we pass over - birth into spirit - and move to a new, or home density, I would imagine we'll be in a galaxy position that reflects this density.

But the whole solar system moves with the Earth with respect to the galactic center, and each solar system can have the (extant) full range of densities.

Quote:30.12 Questioner: Thank you. Can you give me a brief history of the metaphysical principles of the development of each of our planets that surround our sun, their function with respect to the evolution of beings?
Ra: I am Ra. We shall give you a metaphysical description only of those planets upon which individual mind/body/spirit complexes have been, are, or shall be experienced. You may understand the other spheres to be a part of the Logos.

We take the one known as Venus. This planetary sphere was one of rapid evolution. It is our native earth and the rapidity of the progress of the mind/body/spirit complexes upon its surface was due to harmonious interaction.

Upon the entity known to you as Mars, as you have already discussed, this entity was stopped in mid-third density, thus being unable to continue in progression due to the lack of hospitable conditions upon the surface. This planet shall be undergoing healing for some of your space/time millennia.

The planet which you dwell upon has a metaphysical history well known to you and you may ask about it if you wish. However, we have spoken to a great degree upon this subject.

The planet known as Saturn has a great affinity for the infinite intelligence and thus it has been dwelled upon in its magnetic fields of time/space by those who wish to protect your system.

The planetary entity known to you as Uranus is slowly moving through the first density and has the potential of moving through all densities.

(05-10-2011, 08:19 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 07:57 AM)zenmaster Wrote: But the whole solar system moves with the Earth with respect to the galactic center, and each solar system can have the (extant) full range of densities.

Is it possible that the galactic center also moves around some hitherto unknown focal point, zen? Is there some scientific information already out on this, in your knowledge?

Larson, SPU Chapter XXXVI - The Galactic Cycle Wrote:Closely connected with the velocity is the shape of the rotating structure. The correlation in this case is so obvious that in actual practice the velocity is generally inferred from the shape rather than measured directly, although measurements have been made in some cases where conditions are favorable. Increased rotational velocity in the elliptical galaxies results' in greater eccentricity. Beginning with the globular clusters, which are rotating very slowly and are spherical or nearly spherical, the elliptical units pass through all stages of eccentricity down to strongly lenticular shapes. At this point the spiral disk develops. The structure of the young spiral can be described as loose: the arms are thick and widely separated and the nucleus is rather inconspicuous. As the galaxy grows older and larger the nucleus becomes more prominent and the increased rotational velocity causes the arms to thin out and wind up more tightly. In the limiting condition the galaxy is practically all nucleus and the spiral arms are wound around this central mass so tightly that in effect they become part of it. These changes in appearance in the final stage account for some of the apparent deviations from the normal relation between size and age. There are a number of very large galaxies which are classified as elliptical, although they are greatly in excess of the size which normally results in the development of the spiral structure. The logical explanation is that these are not actually elliptical galaxies; they are the tightly wound, rapidly rotating, giant spirals which have reached the end of the road as galaxies and are ready to take the next step in the evolutionary cycle. Some particularly interesting inferences along this line can be drawn from the characteristics of the giant galaxy Messier 87, one of the well-known examples of this class, and this subject will receive further attention later.

(05-10-2011, 08:34 AM)3DMonkey Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 08:34 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: But the whole solar system moves with the Earth with respect to the galactic center, and each solar system can have the (extant) full range of densities.

It is a bit geocentric.

(05-10-2011, 08:42 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The logical explanation is that these are not actually elliptical galaxies; they are the tightly wound, rapidly rotating, giant spirals which have reached the end of the road as galaxies and are ready to take the next step in the evolutionary cycle.

Quote:How The Milky Way Was Built

Practically every star you see on a clear dark night lives in the galaxy we call home – the Milky Way. But how did it all get here? How did the simplest ingredients form the vast structure we see today?

1) Sowing the seeds

After the Big Bang, huge clouds of hydrogen and helium and small amounts of lithium filled the Universe. These are the basic ingredients needed to make stars – and therefore galaxies. Small fluctuations in density throughout the Universe, left over from right after the Big Bang, caused parts of these clouds to collapse under gravity. This collapse would have been aided by the added gravitational influence of dark matter similarly clumping together due to the density fluctuations, or waves. The seeds of the Milky Way had been sown.

2) Let there be light

Around 200 million years after the Big Bang, the first stars are thought to have formed, as the pressure and temperature at the centres of the collapsing clouds became great enough to begin nuclear fusion reactions. Around 500 million years after the Big Bang, the first galaxies would have emerged as small, irregular gatherings of stars. If we could go back in time, we would see vast networks of young galaxies spread throughout space. Somewhere in this cosmic web are the smaller, ‘building block’ galaxies from which the Milky Way was formed.

3) From small beginnings

Today’s most widely accepted theory of how the galaxies we see today were formed suggests that they were created by much smaller galaxies coalescing. Observations made by the Hubble Space Telescope support this idea, as they seem to show this process happening in the early Universe. Our Milky Way probably formed by drawing in stars and other material from these smaller galaxies.

4) An early elliptical

As smaller galaxies merged together, they probably formed a larger elliptical galaxy – the first sign of the Milky Way’s ‘body’. Soon objects called globular clusters appeared. These are very tightly packed balls of stars that are today found sprinkled, like a swarm of bees, around the Galaxy. Studies show that they are over 10 billion years old.

5) Growing arms

The Milky Way is thought to have two main spiral arms. They are made of countless stars and are formed by a density wave rippling throughout the disc of the Galaxy. As the wave moves around the Galaxy, it encourages the gas clouds within the disc to collapse, causing new stars to form. However, to make the stars in the spiral arms, galaxies need fuel in the form of hydrogen gas. It’s likely that, as the Milky Way was growing it drew in lots of gas to create the new stars – and therefore the spiral arms – we see today.

6) Meetings with other galaxies

Even today, the Milky Way is interacting and growing by eating smaller ‘dwarf’ galaxies nearby. In fact, in the last 15 years, astronomers have found the leftovers of these dwarf galaxies being slowly incorporated into the Milky Way. One of the dwarf galaxies, found in 2003, has left a trail of stars throughout the Galaxy as the Milky Way’s gravity rips it apart.

7) Modern day maelstrom

Today the Milky Way is home to between 200 and 400 billion stars, countless gas clouds and vast streams of interstellar dust. Travelling at the speed of light, it would take around 100,000 years to cross. Yet there is still so much astronomers don’t know about it.
source: http://bbcknowledge.com/asia/liberating/how-the-milky-way-was-built/how-the-milky-way-was-built/

(05-10-2011, 08:46 AM)Confused Wrote:

(05-10-2011, 08:42 AM)zenmaster Wrote: The logical explanation is that these are not actually elliptical galaxies; they are the tightly wound, rapidly rotating, giant spirals which have reached the end of the road as galaxies and are ready to take the next step in the evolutionary cycle.

I wonder what the next stage for galaxies is, given the fact that they usually hold black holes in their centers (I think)!!

(05-10-2011, 08:53 AM)zenmaster Wrote: I think they become quasars.

(05-10-2011, 08:43 AM)Confused Wrote: It is interesting that only a few planets in our solar system can experience 'life' as we know it, according to the words of Ra from the quote 3DM linked.

(05-10-2011, 09:00 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Only a few? Mars, Maldek, Earth, Venus, Uranus - that's about half. And it may have been the case that this system could have had 3 or more that were in 3D simultaneously.

(05-10-2011, 08:59 AM)Confused Wrote: Meanwhile, zen, I would be interested in your opinion as to why the Milky Way galaxy is showing predator tendencies in terms of ripping apart and devouring other smaller galaxies nearby, in order for it to grow. Is that not a tangible physical manifestation of STS characteristic? Could be Sun too be infected by that tendency a bit, given the fact that it has stepped down from our galactic core?

(05-10-2011, 08:59 AM)Confused Wrote: But Ra said that closer to the galactic core, it is all STO (if I remember right). The experiment of STO Vs. STS is more towards the outer section, from what I could deduce from Ra's words. But the galactic intelligence is happily devouring weaker galaxies! Is that not a red claw tendency?

(05-10-2011, 09:07 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Well, isn't all light potentially a beacon, regardless of polarity? 'seeking the creator' and all that. If gravity acts like STS, it must also act like STO.

(05-10-2011, 09:07 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Maybe the weaker galaxies wanted to become stronger.