(03-27-2011, 05:13 PM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-26-2011, 12:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-26-2011, 09:59 AM)Confused Wrote: Where is home?

It seems it's their idea of somewhere they perceive they'd feel more comfortable or compatible. I've heard many, many whiny complaints about one's circumstances - being that of a prison, or what not, over the years. I think some people throw the concept of service out the window and desire certain regressive comforts or atmosphere that makes them feel more congruent with themselves. It's a thoroughly '3D'-identifying mindset.

First I got surprised when I saw the above post but then when I saw it was you, it was like: "aah it's only zen". My buttons were not pushed by it as I actually agree with you regarding my personal experience. I have noticed that homesickness dissables me to fully functioning in being in service. When I am attacked by it I dwell in self pitying and get too self absorbed. However I see that as a personal lesson and I am working on it, but it does give me guilt in dwelling in this state, because as I said I don't perform 100% when it happens. The reason to this reply is geniune curiosity for how humans function. If we speak of myself here I would never dare to post something like this, zen, as I would assume that it would hurt others self, therefore I am genuinely, really curious and nothing else in what moved you to post this? What was the drive behind your post?

(03-29-2011, 12:32 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-27-2011, 05:13 PM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-26-2011, 12:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-26-2011, 09:59 AM)Confused Wrote: Where is home?

It seems it's their idea of somewhere they perceive they'd feel more comfortable or compatible. I've heard many, many whiny complaints about one's circumstances - being that of a prison, or what not, over the years. I think some people throw the concept of service out the window and desire certain regressive comforts or atmosphere that makes them feel more congruent with themselves. It's a thoroughly '3D'-identifying mindset.

First I got surprised when I saw the above post but then when I saw it was you, it was like: "aah it's only zen". My buttons were not pushed by it as I actually agree with you regarding my personal experience. I have noticed that homesickness dissables me to fully functioning in being in service. When I am attacked by it I dwell in self pitying and get too self absorbed. However I see that as a personal lesson and I am working on it, but it does give me guilt in dwelling in this state, because as I said I don't perform 100% when it happens. The reason to this reply is geniune curiosity for how humans function. If we speak of myself here I would never dare to post something like this, zen, as I would assume that it would hurt others self, therefore I am genuinely, really curious and nothing else in what moved you to post this? What was the drive behind your post?

Years ago, I used to 'counsel' so-called 'wanderers' - 'light being' was the more popular term. Don't ask me why, at some point, many just came to me asking for answers (yes, with what I'd call whiny attitudes). "Whiny" seemed to be the best adjective for 'I want to go home'. And now, it seems even more appropriate due to the reactions here (buttons apparently pushed). (Imagine Hercules complaining about the misfortune of a paper cut.)

(03-29-2011, 12:42 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: The occasional "whining" on a forum of what someone hopes is full of like-minded and understanding people is the least any person would deserve, let alone someone as emotionally sensitive as a wanderer.

We all need each other. What if the only way for our potential to be fulfilled is by other people patiently and empathetically listening to our "whining"?

Quote:42.3 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel any emotional response in being attacked by the other-self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

(03-29-2011, 04:47 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-29-2011, 12:42 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: The occasional "whining" on a forum of what someone hopes is full of like-minded and understanding people is the least any person would deserve, let alone someone as emotionally sensitive as a wanderer.

We all need each other. What if the only way for our potential to be fulfilled is by other people patiently and empathetically listening to our "whining"?

I liked your whole post, turtledude. In the above quote is where the core problem lies in my opinion. I can only speak of myself of course, what I seek are like-minded and understanding people, whom I found in this place. But this place contains also a full range of others self who are not like-minded and understanding, and I am emotionally sensitive. So when I want to dwell in vibrations of those who are like-minded and understanding I get hurt when I perceive/misintepret comments/criticism or whatnot of my thoughts, emotions and posts. And what is the normal, human reaction when we experience that? To withdraw, to separate ourselves with only those we like, to segregate. I won't lie, I do want to dwell in home vibrations only, and I have considered/considering that maybe what I am looking for in B4th is not longer here. At the same time, what if zen (or any other member who pushes our buttons) is bringing the true light/wisdom/lesson of love? (Don't crusify me now) What I mean is that what if those people who pushes our buttons offer us a real lesson in true love, an embracement of all creation, all parts and sparks of the The Infinite One, not only like-minded and understanding?

Quote:42.3 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel any emotional response in being attacked by the other-self?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.

So at the same time as I feel that I only want the comfort offered by those who are of the same vibrations I also feel pain being with those who are not of the same "vibrations". But separation hurts like hell too, doesn't it? And I also do agree with your post.

(03-29-2011, 12:32 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Years ago, I used to 'counsel' so-called 'wanderers' - 'light being' was the more popular term. Don't ask me why, at some point, many just came to me asking for answers (yes, with what I'd call whiny attitudes). "Whiny" seemed to be the best adjective for 'I want to go home'. And now, it seems even more appropriate due to the reactions here (buttons apparently pushed). (Imagine Hercules complaining about the misfortune of a paper cut.)

(03-29-2011, 08:05 AM)transiten Wrote: "The long and whining road"

(03-29-2011, 10:45 AM)Ankh Wrote: Back to topic - you said "its the unwisdom of the entities/creators creating that particular environment" - who do you had in mind by "entities/creators"? It is humans who co-created the reality we are experiencing here. And in order for hell not break loose there is loads of higher density entities, called Confederation, working very hard with Earth now. They all sent their Brothers and Sisters here to lighten up vibrations here. RA, for instance, work only with Earth. Then it is after all 3D - there is always problems in 3D and there is always calling from 3D. We are all trying to help in those way we can.

(03-29-2011, 09:46 AM)unity100 Wrote: there needs to be at least minimum conditions for anything to happen. you need a planet under you in order to have multiple physical densities. ...

... if you put entities in an environment which has a negative social system, and that system even requires you act negatively in order to sustain your life, its fallacy and naivete to expect entities to be able to function as positive in such a situation. there should be at least minimum conditions for minimum acceptable positive activity.

(03-29-2011, 10:59 AM)unity100 Wrote: ranging from the logos that chose the plan for this planet to any sub-logoi acting downwards from it, and even going up to the higher sub-logoi than the sub-logos that is the sun, are responsible for what is happening here. not only people.

(03-29-2011, 10:45 AM)Ankh Wrote: It is humans who co-created the reality we are experiencing here.

Quote:The nature of the sub-sub-sub-Logos which offers the third-density experience is one of polarity, not by choice but by careful design.

(03-29-2011, 11:13 AM)Confused Wrote: If I remember correctly, Ra blatantly says within the LOO that the human physical frame was carefully designed to be extremely frail, so that dependency can allow the lessons of love to start. The syllabus, time-frame, and the examination hall have all been chosen for us.

All that we can do is to choose whether we wish to study and pass the grade.

(03-29-2011, 11:26 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: You raise a good point, Ra did say something along the lines of: 3D bodies are not self sufficient (as apposed to 2D bodies) so that you would be forced to interact with others and depend on them. This density is based on interaction and compromise, so whinyness is inevitable for everyone, except some people are content with conforming to whichever society they're born into, and others (e.g. wanderers) are rather picky about how much positivity there is or isn't in their culture - because its easier to reach one's fuller potential when surrounded by people of the same polarity.

Quote:19.12 Questioner: I will make a statement then of my understanding and ask you if I am correct. There is a, what I would call, physical catalyst operating at all times upon the entities in third density. I assume this operates approximately the same way in second density. It is a catalyst which acts through what we call pain and emotion. Is the primary reason for the weakening of the physical body and the elimination of body hair, etc. so that this catalyst would act more strongly upon the mind and therefore create the evolutionary process?

Ra: I am Ra. This is not entirely correct, although closely associated with the distortions of our understanding.

Consider, if you will, the tree for instance. It is self-sufficient. Consider, if you will, the third-density entity. It is self-sufficient only through difficulty and deprivation. It is difficult to learn alone for there is a built-in handicap, at once the great virtue and the great handicap of third density. That is the rational/intuitive mind.

Thus, the weakening of the physical vehicle, as you call it, was designed to distort entities towards a predisposition to deal with each other. Thus, the lessons which approach a knowing of love can be begun.

This catalyst then is shared between peoples as an important part of each self’s development as well as the experiences of the self in solitude and the synthesis of all experience through meditation. The quickest way to learn is to deal with other-selves. This is a much greater catalyst than dealing with the self. Dealing with the self without other-selves is akin to living without what you would call mirrors. Thus, the self cannot see the fruits of its being-ness. Thus, each may aid each by reflection. This is also a primary reason for the weakening of the physical vehicle, as you call the physical complex.

(03-29-2011, 06:51 AM)Ankh Wrote: Hmmm I wonder if I am going to be really crusified now but here it goes (and I am using a real touch of light here to make this situation understandable for me) - I imagine norral and zen as true soulmates from the same social memory complex who entered this incarnation in really despicable for each other forms. They wanted to know if their love would shine through despite everything. They had to know if they would recognize each other despite the veil and illusion, despite the form and words...

(03-29-2011, 12:42 AM)turtledude23 Wrote:

(03-29-2011, 12:32 AM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-27-2011, 05:13 PM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-26-2011, 12:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(03-26-2011, 09:59 AM)Confused Wrote: Where is home?

It seems it's their idea of somewhere they perceive they'd feel more comfortable or compatible. I've heard many, many whiny complaints about one's circumstances - being that of a prison, or what not, over the years. I think some people throw the concept of service out the window and desire certain regressive comforts or atmosphere that makes them feel more congruent with themselves. It's a thoroughly '3D'-identifying mindset.

First I got surprised when I saw the above post but then when I saw it was you, it was like: "aah it's only zen". My buttons were not pushed by it as I actually agree with you regarding my personal experience. I have noticed that homesickness dissables me to fully functioning in being in service. When I am attacked by it I dwell in self pitying and get too self absorbed. However I see that as a personal lesson and I am working on it, but it does give me guilt in dwelling in this state, because as I said I don't perform 100% when it happens. The reason to this reply is geniune curiosity for how humans function. If we speak of myself here I would never dare to post something like this, zen, as I would assume that it would hurt others self, therefore I am genuinely, really curious and nothing else in what moved you to post this? What was the drive behind your post?

Years ago, I used to 'counsel' so-called 'wanderers' - 'light being' was the more popular term. Don't ask me why, at some point, many just came to me asking for answers (yes, with what I'd call whiny attitudes). "Whiny" seemed to be the best adjective for 'I want to go home'. And now, it seems even more appropriate due to the reactions here (buttons apparently pushed). (Imagine Hercules complaining about the misfortune of a paper cut.)

Dude, what the hell? Complaining about suffering is part of the 3D experience, and wanderers suffer more than many, if not most people, emotionally. Just because we have more drive to grow spiritually and just because we're more likely to fulfill our potential doesn't make us immune to suffering. "I want to go home" is a totally legitimate thing to feel when you spent millions of years in what would be better any imaginable utopia and you come to a planet full of disharmony and needless suffering. Its the spiritual equivalent of being used to a life of luxury and comfort and then becoming homeless. The occasional "whining" on a forum of what someone hopes is full of like-minded and understanding people is the least any person would deserve, let alone someone as emotionally sensitive as a wanderer.

We all need each other. What if the only way for our potential to be fulfilled is by other people patiently and empathetically listening to our "whining"? I don't know of anyone who became an STO adept through harsh, military-like self-discipline - Buddha only became enlightened after giving that up - that is the formula for STS adept though. Do you think you're helping anyone by condemning their "whining"? Perhaps people expressing their emotions makes you uncomfortable? I apologize in advance if you believe I'm projecting something right now.

(03-29-2011, 11:26 AM)turtledude23 Wrote:

(03-29-2011, 11:13 AM)Confused Wrote: If I remember correctly, Ra blatantly says within the LOO that the human physical frame was carefully designed to be extremely frail, so that dependency can allow the lessons of love to start. The syllabus, time-frame, and the examination hall have all been chosen for us.

All that we can do is to choose whether we wish to study and pass the grade.

You raise a good point, Ra did say something along the lines of: 3D bodies are not self sufficient (as apposed to 2D bodies) so that you would be forced to interact with others and depend on them. This density is based on interaction and compromise, so whinyness is inevitable for everyone, except some people are content with conforming to whichever society they're born into, and others (e.g. wanderers) are rather picky about how much positivity there is or isn't in their culture - because its easier to reach one's fuller potential when surrounded by people of the same polarity.

(03-29-2011, 12:21 PM)norral Wrote: the fact that suffering is designed into this reality