(03-15-2011, 06:00 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I Was being kind by not assuming he sleeps around.

(03-15-2011, 06:11 PM)3DMonkey Wrote: I know you aren't upset with me. You are upset with the idea of bashing Someone you respect. I haven't done that. Everyone has posted something positive about David. Except one, and as I stand in your corner, I say save yourself and don't tango with that.

(03-15-2011, 06:33 PM)Ocean Wrote: to say he's human is not an insult. i for one don't presume to know anything about his ego. i love him for being a beautiful soul, i can see it radiating from him. i always feel good when watching him. you can see the love and honesty when he talks, imo, and i do think he is very humble. and i do think he would have been getting major greeting if he wasn't. but we should always be careful about putting people on pedestals, he himself says he doesn't want that.

(03-15-2011, 04:08 PM)Derek Wrote: Here is a repost from another thread. I hope to put those assumptions at rest.

Quote:The basic idea is that feeling positively about yourself, writing articles in first-person tense with stories from your own life's journey, pursuing greater exposure and offering products so you can afford to keep doing your best to reach people, is a bad thing.

Quote:62.23 Questioner: Isn’t this unusual that a fifth-density entity then would bother to do this rather than sending a fourth-density servant, shall I say?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Nearly all positive channels and groups may be lessened in their positivity or rendered quite useless by what we may call the temptations offered by the fourth-density negative thought-forms. They may suggest many distortions towards specific information, towards the aggrandizement of the self, towards the flowering of the organization in some political, social, or fiscal way.

Quote:Thus, we start with the instrument and we proceed therefrom, touching with the instrument’s mind again, and then again, as we scan—we will correct this instrument—as we scan the minds of those within the circle to find what they may wish to listen to.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1980/1980_0803.aspx

(03-15-2011, 07:49 PM)unity100 Wrote:

(03-15-2011, 04:08 PM)Derek Wrote: Here is a repost from another thread. I hope to put those assumptions at rest.

no, unfortunately they dont.

he talks a lot about himself. even in the supposed Ra channeling transcripts i read, stuff like 'oh, i wouldnt have you any other way' fires away, regarding his own self. the channeled source (supposedly Ra) is telling that to him.

the Ra which used terms like 'this instrument' for Carla, 'questioner' for don, is bursting out in an orange filled exclamation, to david's persona.

let me go out on a limb and say he was channeling his own higher self or his totality at that time. then, this would mean that he is in need of appeasement of his own self, and therefore receiving communication as such.

you wont have any kind of appeasement/aggrandizement of ANYone's self, in Ra material, under no condition.

Quote:The basic idea is that feeling positively about yourself, writing articles in first-person tense with stories from your own life's journey, pursuing greater exposure and offering products so you can afford to keep doing your best to reach people, is a bad thing.

being too indulged in one's own self, is an orange ray manifestation.

and as for 'greater exposure and offering products', here :

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=62&sc=1&ss=1#23

Quote:62.23 Questioner: Isn’t this unusual that a fifth-density entity then would bother to do this rather than sending a fourth-density servant, shall I say?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Nearly all positive channels and groups may be lessened in their positivity or rendered quite useless by what we may call the temptations offered by the fourth-density negative thought-forms. They may suggest many distortions towards specific information, towards the aggrandizement of the self, towards the flowering of the organization in some political, social, or fiscal way.

his attempt to redefine ego, and somehow exempt being overindulged in his own SELF, as opposed to well being of everyone (leaving aside others), is a sign of having an ego.

im totally leaving out the 'products' and aggrandizement of self or organization part, as told in above.

so, in the 10 years that passed, ra has started to use channels that appease themselves or others, also entertaining specific information, through a channel which channels conspiracy theories and whatnot, not to mention selling great products by extra exposure ? the Ra which has answered that any kind of 'advertisement' through ufo phenomenon was undesirable, because using law of attraction was more proper ?

Quote:Thus, we start with the instrument and we proceed therefrom, touching with the instrument’s mind again, and then again, as we scan—we will correct this instrument—as we scan the minds of those within the circle to find what they may wish to listen to.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1980/1980_0803.aspx

it took a few lifetimes, among many groups, for ll group to be able to channel Ra, and it was only doable through unconscious channeling.

not to mention that, this contact had to end after don's death. because the contact was maintained due to harmony in between the three, who had spent apparently more than one life together in preparation for this.

now, someone who is channeling information totally contrary to what Ra has cautioned against, acting in a manner Ra warned against, is, consciously channeling Ra, alone ....

Quote:I'M NOT PERFECT

I had some of those jarring events in my own life recently. My car got broken into at my conference in San Francisco, and the next day I had a minor but nonetheless real car accident on the road while driving to my next conference in Santa Cruz -- with no driver's side window!

I'm certainly not perfect, and sometimes I get frustrated about being put in a position where so many others look to me for guidance, while I myself am still learning and evolving and making mistakes.

It would be easy -- and fun -- to take some time off and completely ignore my work on this site for, say, a solid two weeks, even a month. No email, no messages, no telephone, nothing but my own contemplative relationship with the greater Identity of the universe, preferably somewhere out in the mountains and trees.

I've never done that. Not since I started this site in February 1999.

I don't feel I have the luxury of doing that at this point. Even when there is a gap in posting, I'm still working my tail off, either on the book or on developing new content that hasn't yet appeared.

The reason why I don't stop at this point is the Principle of Honor. This means doing things you may not always enjoy because you've made an agreement with your Higher Self, and with others, to take on a certain degree of responsibility.

It is thus your honor / duty to perform the work you have chosen.


IT'S KIND OF SILLY

Given the challenges I face, and the overwhelming number of people who are urgently trying to get in contact with me every day, I step back and reflect on how silly the whole thing often feels.

I've met many other people who are recognized public figures and can assure you this is a very common reaction people have to significant public exposure.

Lately I've had experiences where I look at myself in the mirror and wonder why in the world so many people chase me down and want to meet me or otherwise connect with me personally in the letters they send.

Really, by comparison to the beings who are out there in the Universe, and more importantly to your own Higher Self, meeting me in person would be decidedly lackluster.

I moved in with the original founders of L/L Research -- the surviving channels for the original Law of One series -- and expected that magical things would happen to me once I got there.

I felt that since this awesome work had come through them, some of it would rub off on me when I went there.

The truth is that we went through a full array of typical human problems and difficulties.

Whatever glorious transformation I was expecting did not happen.

It was just people in community, sometimes getting along and sometimes not getting along. Very flawed, very real, very human people. I was happy I went there and I was happy I left. I do wish them all the best, and am extremely, extremely grateful for the Law of One series.


THE MOST IMPORTANT MEETING IS WITH SELF

Over time I've had people I put on pedestals. I've also been fortunate enough to meet almost every single one of them and work with them in some form.

While I don't knock the 'wow factor' of this, you still have yourself at the end of the day. Your heroes are real people. You may meet them when they are tired, or cranky, or hungry, or thirsty, or otherwise not in the right mood to socialize. It happens!

Obviously, I'm not Santa Claus and I can't even hope to answer the letters coming in, and I no longer guarantee I even see them because there are just too many. I've bulked up my volunteer staff to help me handle the load because it is so significant.

As I'm going to explain after my little rant, the most important being you want to meet is your own Self, in its greater sense.



EASY TO LOSE TRACK

It's easy to lose track of that. When we go long enough without tuning in, we get hammered -- just like I did with these recent mishaps in my own life.

I do believe they are negative greetings. No doubt. The circumstances are far too metaphysically strange to be attributable to random chance. Nonetheless, I do not believe any physical third-density Illuminati / New World Order 'agency' is responsible for causing these events.

However, it is a fact that both the theft of a Divine Cosmos laptop in Hawaii and the break-in of my car in San Francisco were performed by severe chemical-dependents.


MEET MY ATTACKERS

The Hawaiian theft was from a severe drug addict who brought the computer back to rehab, and bragged about having stolen it. Although we are not certain, he may have actually been ballsy enough to walk right in and steal it while we all had our eyes closed and were meditating!

He didn't even delete his personal information off of the machine when we got it back -- it was all easily available in the History folder.

We found out what girls he was hooking up with on Myspace. We watched their videos and appreciated their musical abilities. We also found out where he planned to fly for the Big Getaway he was planning out of rehab.

The San Francisco break-in was from a severe and probably homeless alcoholic. He was missing most of his teeth, was overweight, and his clothes were old and tattered.

It took him three attempts to break my glass and try to grab the GPS I had inside.

I even heard the car alarm going off -- it was quite loud and distracting -- but I had no idea it was my own car.

Those blasted car alarms, I thought to myself. Can't even hear myself think. Funny, it sounds like my alarm, but nobody would break into my car. Of course not!

The third attempt was a success -- but before he even made it ten feet away from the car, he was arrested.

He got so involved in the struggle to break in that he didn't even notice the police car that was cruising right down the road as he achieved 'success.'


NO ILL WILL

In both cases I honestly did not wish my attackers any ill will.

In the case of the laptop theft, we never met the young man who did it. However, in the second case, the peace officers had my car thief handcuffed right there on the street. It was cold and late. I could almost see my breath.

I was standing out there, and he was just three feet away from me in a heap on the sidewalk.

Although this could be my own projection, the police almost seemed to be egging me on to say something nasty to him. This was the vibe I got, very clearly, and I don't think I was making this up:

"There he is. He's CAPTURED!

We got him! Right there! That's him! He's CAPTURED!

You can say something if you want to. Go ahead!

He's the Villain, you're the Victim. Let 'er rip... we'll look the other way...

This is your Big Moment! Use it!

All your anger, all your fear, all your rage -- this is your guy. Your Scapegoat.

You're lucky. You earned this. He destroyed your car. We got him. Now it's your turn.

GET HIM!"


ALL I SAW WAS LOVE

I know this sounds corny, but I looked into his eyes and all I could see was love. The peace officers were just as amazed by this as he was.

Honestly, his eyes were those of a pleading young child, desperately lonely and hungry and confused.

It had been so long since anyone had cared about him. I certainly was not going to make it worse.

Perhaps my treatment of him might give him hope that he is not such a loathsome and terrible person after all, despite what the world was probably showing and telling him almost every day and night of his life.

Only other homeless people might offer him any respite from this nightmare, but they are also living in fear and scarcity and cannot be trusted.


CAN'T HATE THE COYOTES

A neighbor of mine let his cat go outside and it got eaten up by the coyotes. While this was tragic, I don't hate the coyotes for doing it. Nor could I hate either of these two people for their crimes against my property.

However, in both cases they got absorbed into the criminal justice system and will be doing prison time. That's part of the chain of karma that happens in these events -- and I'm not going to interrupt that flow either.


GREATER META-MESSAGES ARE BEING OFFERED

I believe both of these events happened to me as yet another means in which I'm being given personal symbolism about planetary events. These are not 'random' accidents. They are meant to be intepreted as synchronicities with dream-like metaphors about bigger events.

This is undoubtedly due to the fact that I'm a public figure, and events in my own life can be used as symbolic representations of global issues -- on purpose.

In both cases, these crimes were miraculously stopped by the intervention of Peace Officers. The attackers got away with nothing. I did not lose my valuables.

There was damage, yes... I spent a long, long time cleaning broken glass out of my car -- but nothing really was lost.

(03-15-2011, 09:26 PM)Derek Wrote: Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

(03-16-2011, 04:29 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-15-2011, 09:26 PM)Derek Wrote: Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

Says who?

EDIT: I am not trying to pick a fight here or mean it in any other negative sense, but is genuinely curious about who said that?

Ra Wrote:14.5 Questioner: Was the Egyptian visit of 11,000 years ago the only one where you actually walked the Earth?

Ra: I am Ra. I understand your question distorted in the direction of selves rather than other-selves. We of the vibratory sound complex, Ra, have walked among you only at that time.

(03-15-2011, 09:26 PM)Derek Wrote: Listen, this is the last time I'm going to respond to this. I appreciate your opinion, but I don't want to waste vital energy Smile The vast majority of those channelings are his own personal channelings that he was using for personal guidance. They are coming from his higher self and are about his life. Some of them contain inspiring material and prophecy, so he released them online. There are hundreds more he hasn't. The channelings he has released online for public only say things like this

"Again, our goal is not to promote David or his works. David is one aspect of a much greater collective initiative, and it has many, many facets.

Our goal is to reach the shoreline of your awareness, and set sail with a craft of our own design in collaboration with you – such that there is no need to worry about the future, or concern yourself with the frequency of available materials of any kind, whether they be David’s writings or otherwise."

David constantly stresses that he doesn't want to be put on a pedestal.

Quote:The way he defined ego in that post is exactly how Carl Jung and many others define it.

If he didn't have products he would not be on the internet. Nobody would know who he is and far fewer people would know about the Law of One. That is a fact.

Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

(03-16-2011, 04:29 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-15-2011, 09:26 PM)Derek Wrote: Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

Says who?

EDIT: I am not trying to pick a fight here or mean it in any other negative sense, but is genuinely curious about who said that?

(03-16-2011, 07:10 AM)unity100 Wrote:

(03-16-2011, 04:29 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-15-2011, 09:26 PM)Derek Wrote: Davids Higher Self is part of the Ra social/memory/complex as are millions of other wanderers.

Says who?

EDIT: I am not trying to pick a fight here or mean it in any other negative sense, but is genuinely curious about who said that?

david himself of course. the 60 million crowded Ra social memory complex has shown their approach to channeling with the work they undertaken with ll group. and that, isnt at parallels with what this person is doing, or saying.

(03-16-2011, 07:10 AM)unity100 Wrote: 60 million crowded Ra social memory complex

(03-16-2011, 07:46 AM)Namaste Wrote: I do find DW's non-channelled work invaluable, however. He being of great service to humanity :¬)

(03-16-2011, 07:47 AM)yossarian Wrote: the whole point is that David is not channeling Ra the Social Memory Complex

He's channeling one individual who happens to be a part of that Social Memory Complex

this is different

There are likely millions of wanderers on the Earth with higher selves from Ra, right? David talks to his higher self with conscious channeling, he doesn't use unconscious channeling to talk to Ra the social memory complex. So of course the material is different. The source is different and the channeller is different.

He doesn't claim to channel the same Ra from The Ra Material. It's a different Ra.

(03-16-2011, 07:47 AM)yossarian Wrote: the whole point is that David is not channeling Ra the Social Memory Complex

He's channeling one individual who happens to be a part of that Social Memory Complex

this is different

(03-16-2011, 07:47 AM)yossarian Wrote: There are likely millions of wanderers on the Earth with higher selves from Ra, right? David talks to his higher self with conscious channeling, he doesn't use unconscious channeling to talk to Ra the social memory complex. So of course the material is different. The source is different and the channeller is different.

He doesn't claim to channel the same Ra from The Ra Material. It's a different Ra.

(03-16-2011, 08:05 AM)unity100 Wrote: a 6d society complex is something that is greatly harmonized. you cant just break away and act against the collective will of the complex you belong to, and engage in a manner that is contrary to the collective will.

Quote:ra was at a point of addressing them as 'i am Ra' - meaning that 60 million souls were acting together, thinking together to that extent. not 'we are Ra' even.

Quote:remember that, one of the reasons why wanderers incarnate in 3d planets is that their society complex may decide that the wanderer needs a lesson revisited. so, basically, a society complex has as much effect and clout on a wanderer. this means, it wouldnt be possible for a part of that society complex to go against the collective will of the complex and still remain a part of that complex.

Quote:meaning, david wilcock cannot be channeling Ra in any interpretation. i doubt that, at the point of late 6d, any entity would leave their society complex, for david wilcock to be a breakaway entity which left its society complex, and therefore channeling his 'higher self'. also wanderers do not have higher selves. society complex, or, totality of the wanderer or the totality of the society complex, acts as higher self.

(03-16-2011, 08:05 AM)unity100 Wrote: meaning, david wilcock cannot be channeling Ra in any interpretation. i doubt that, at the point of late 6d, any entity would leave their society complex, for david wilcock to be a breakaway entity which left its society complex, and therefore channeling his 'higher self'. also wanderers do not have higher selves. society complex, or, totality of the wanderer or the totality of the society complex, acts as higher self.

(03-16-2011, 08:07 AM)Ankh Wrote: 17.13 Questioner: When I am communicating with you as Ra, are you at times individualized as an entity or am I speaking to an entire social memory complex?

Ra: I am Ra. You speak with Ra. There is no separation. You would call it social memory complex thus indicating many-ness. To our understanding, you are speaking to an individualized portion of consciousness.

Quote:It is not stated somewhere that there are ANY Ra Wanderers incarnated on Earth. And if so, if it would that way, they are still subjects to 3D rules, and there is no difference between them or any other 6D Wanderer/or anyone else who can access the Higher Self, as Higher Self is a mid 6D Being.

(03-16-2011, 08:21 AM)yossarian Wrote:

Quote:It is not stated somewhere that there are ANY Ra Wanderers incarnated on Earth. And if so, if it would that way, they are still subjects to 3D rules, and there is no difference between them or any other 6D Wanderer/or anyone else who can access the Higher Self, as Higher Self is a mid 6D Being.

It is implied. Don never asks the question directly. Akhenaten at the very least is implied to be a wanderer from Ra. How is Ra going to work out their Earth karma if they avoid the #1 way they can serve the Earth -- by sending wanderers?

(03-16-2011, 09:13 AM)Ankh Wrote:

(03-16-2011, 08:21 AM)yossarian Wrote:

Quote:It is not stated somewhere that there are ANY Ra Wanderers incarnated on Earth. And if so, if it would that way, they are still subjects to 3D rules, and there is no difference between them or any other 6D Wanderer/or anyone else who can access the Higher Self, as Higher Self is a mid 6D Being.

It is implied. Don never asks the question directly. Akhenaten at the very least is implied to be a wanderer from Ra. How is Ra going to work out their Earth karma if they avoid the #1 way they can serve the Earth -- by sending wanderers?

I didn't interpret that imply then while reading about Echenaton. However I read a book by another Wanderer who remembered being a priest during that time, trying to help Echenaton, and he was not part of Ra. If this Earth is crowded by Ra why they took contact with L/L (not Ra Wanderers) instead of some of their own (in this case DW??) for making such heavy material as Law of One? Which is the base, the ground, of everything else that is been and still being said and done?

What Earth karma are you implying that Ra need to work off?